17:00:10 <bcotton> #startmeeting F32 Final Go/No-Go meeting 17:00:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 23 17:00:10 2020 UTC. 17:00:10 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:10 <zodbot> The chair is bcotton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:10 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f32_final_go/no-go_meeting' 17:00:12 <bcotton> #meetingname F32-Final-Go_No_Go-meeting 17:00:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f32-final-go_no_go-meeting' 17:00:17 <sgallagh> .hello2 17:00:18 <bcotton> #topic Roll Call 17:00:18 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 17:00:33 <frantisekz> .hello2 17:00:35 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com> 17:00:37 <mattdm> .hello 17:00:37 <zodbot> mattdm: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 17:00:37 <pwhalen> .hello2 17:00:40 <zodbot> pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' <pwhalen@redhat.com> 17:00:41 <adamw> .hello adamwill 17:00:41 <michel_slm[m]> .hello2 17:00:42 <mattdm> .hello2 17:00:43 <zodbot> adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' <awilliam@redhat.com> 17:00:45 <nirik> morning 17:00:47 <zodbot> michel_slm[m]: Sorry, but you don't exist 17:00:50 <zodbot> mattdm: mattdm 'Matthew Miller' <mattdm@mattdm.org> 17:00:59 <bcotton> uh oh, mattdm is here. everyone behave 17:01:03 <mattdm> hahahaha 17:01:12 <adamw> welcome cardinal Matt 17:01:12 <lruzicka> .hello2 17:01:13 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com> 17:01:16 <mattdm> lol adamw 17:01:20 * sgallagh salutes sharply 17:01:22 <michel_slm[m]> salimma: Michel Salim <michel@fb.com> 17:01:22 <coremodule> .hello2 17:01:23 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com> 17:01:25 <mattdm> now i'm going to need a fancy hat 17:01:28 <sgallagh> (Thereby cutting his forehead) 17:01:29 <adamw> do you salute cardinals? 17:01:47 <pbokoc> .hello 17:01:47 <zodbot> pbokoc: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 17:01:48 <lruzicka> I think I feel some positive moods? 17:01:49 <sgallagh> adamw: I do, but it's usually a rude gesture. 17:01:51 <michel_slm[m]> .hello2 salimma 17:01:53 <zodbot> michel_slm[m]: Sorry, but you don't exist 17:01:56 <pbokoc> .hello2 17:01:57 <zodbot> pbokoc: pbokoc 'None' <pbokoc@redhat.com> 17:02:01 <lruzicka> pbokoc, hello <nick> nebo hello2 17:02:05 <cmurf> .hello chrismurphy 17:02:06 <zodbot> cmurf: chrismurphy 'Chris Murphy' <bugzilla@colorremedies.com> 17:02:32 <bcotton> michel_slm[m]: you want `.hello salimma` 17:02:52 <michel_slm[m]> .hello salimma 17:02:55 <zodbot> michel_slm[m]: salimma 'Michel Alexandre Salim' <michel@michel-slm.name> 17:03:01 <michel_slm[m]> wow this is embarrassing 17:03:17 <mattdm> heh 17:03:28 <bcotton> zodbot is cruel 17:03:45 <bcotton> you're probably wondering why i called you all here today 17:03:51 <bcotton> #topic Purpose of this meeting 17:03:52 <bcotton> #info Purpose of this meeting is to check whether or not F32 Final is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria. 17:03:53 <bcotton> #info This is determined in a few ways: 17:03:55 <bcotton> #info 1. No remaining blocker bugs 17:03:56 <mboddu> .hello mohanboddu 17:03:56 <bcotton> #info 2. Release candidate compose is available 17:03:56 <zodbot> mboddu: mohanboddu 'Mohan Boddu' <mboddu@bhujji.com> 17:03:58 <bcotton> #info 3. Test matrices for Final are fully completed 17:04:01 <bcotton> #topic Current status - blockers 17:04:02 <bcotton> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/32/final/buglist 17:04:18 <bcotton> #info 6 Accepted Blockers 17:04:31 <bcotton> #info 5 of them are VERIFIED (yay!) 17:04:55 <frantisekz> I think we can say even the last one is verified 17:05:04 <bcotton> looks like the last one should be verified, too 17:05:10 <frantisekz> just kparal being too strict 17:05:11 <adamw> yeah, we have two verifications with 1.5, and no rason 1.6 should be different 17:05:13 <adamw> i'll update it 17:05:19 <bcotton> adamw++ 17:05:20 <kparal> I let it in ON_QA to gather more feedback 17:05:28 <kparal> we didn't receive any negative one, just positive 17:05:39 <bcotton> kparal just likes blockers :-) 17:05:45 <frantisekz> :) 17:06:34 * mboddu finds another blocker for kparal :D 17:06:43 <bcotton> #info All 6 accepted blockers are now in a VERIFIED state 17:07:01 <bcotton> #topic Current status - test matricies 17:07:02 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_32_Test_Results 17:07:36 * sumantro is here 17:07:38 <bcotton> so last week we looked at RC 1.3(?) and it was well tested. how's the testing since then? 17:07:48 <jforbes> .hello2 17:07:52 <adamw> we did change a *lot* of stuff since RC 1.3, for the record 17:07:57 <frantisekz> I've copied lot's of results from rc 1.3-.5 17:08:03 <zodbot> jforbes: jforbes 'Justin M. Forbes' <jforbes@redhat.com> 17:08:10 <bcotton> yeah, but it's trivial stuff like the kernel and the installer ;-) 17:08:13 <adamw> nothing major, you know, just the installer and the partitioning library and the blivet gui and the kernel and the GNOME display manager and efivar 17:08:18 <frantisekz> the stuff that wasn't or shouldn't be affected by changes in later RCs 17:08:25 <adamw> all the usual normal stuff you change 12 hours before you release an OS right? 17:08:33 <jforbes> this is the way 17:08:36 <frantisekz> :D 17:08:42 <mattdm> there is a reason "this is fine" is our motto 17:08:43 <sumantro> :D :D 17:09:03 * adamw swings censer, chants THIS IS FINE 17:09:14 <jforbes> FWIW, the feedback on F31 for the kernel update has been good too 17:09:24 <adamw> so, we did have to carry some results forward between RCs just because they came so fast and RC 1.6 is very new 17:09:34 <adamw> but i think we have re-tested the most important stuff, enough to cover the things that changed 17:09:51 <bcotton> and 1.6 only had one update from 1.5, right? 17:09:56 <adamw> yeah, efivar 17:10:00 <adamw> but we carried some results forward from 1.3 17:10:11 <hansg> FWIW, the efivar change is isolated to the eMMC code path, which was broken in 1.5 and earlier 17:10:25 <bcotton> hansg++ for a quick fix 17:10:26 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for jwrdegoede changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:10:33 <frantisekz> the only thing that could've been broken by recent composes and not tested again in RC 1.6 is Mac OS X dualboot 17:10:40 <adamw> i think pretty much everything mandatory is covered, one "missing" thing is ARM desktop upgrade tests but as discussed at previous meetings Workstation wasn't blocking on previous ARM releases so that's kinda 'expected' 17:10:41 <sgallagh> hansg++ 17:10:41 <zodbot> sgallagh: Karma for jwrdegoede changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:10:48 <mboddu> hansg++ 17:10:48 <zodbot> mboddu: Karma for jwrdegoede changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:10:53 <frantisekz> hansg++ 17:10:53 <zodbot> frantisekz: Karma for jwrdegoede changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:10:54 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa 17:10:56 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com> 17:10:58 <mboddu> nirik: Mac OS X dual boot? 17:11:10 <mboddu> And now he hides 17:11:10 <nirik> sorry, my macbook is too new. ;( 17:11:20 <nirik> I need to poke at it to get it working at all. 17:11:22 <sumantro> hansg++ 17:11:22 <zodbot> sumantro: Karma for jwrdegoede changed to 5 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:11:27 <jforbes> I have an OSX dual boot, but it is not apple hardware 17:11:52 <frantisekz> I wasn't able to make it in time, also, it's mac mini 2012 with High Sierra, I don't think it's too representative 17:12:13 <adamw> we're also missing printing testing with a real printer on ARM, but meh. we have virt printer on ARM and real pritner on x86_64, that should be fine 17:12:22 <nirik> I got it to boot, but the keyboard/touchpad are some weird thing and don't work... 17:12:25 <adamw> (real printing testing turned up a couple of bugs, but netiher really looks like a blocker) 17:12:46 <adamw> thanks to dustymabe for last-minute cloud testing, and pwhalen for all the arm testing of course 17:13:13 <pwhalen> adamw, I had a lot of help this time. thanks coremodule, frantisekz, lbrabec 17:13:32 <adamw> pwhalen: next cycle i'll try and make openqa results actually show up in the wiki...that should help! 17:13:37 <bcotton> pwhalen++ coremodule++ frantisekz++ lbrabec++ 17:13:38 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for lbrabec changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:13:53 <pwhalen> adamw, I tend to move them over too, but thats awesome 17:14:46 <bcotton> any other questions or comments on the test coverage? 17:15:09 * cmurf can vouch for RC 1.2 booting older macs, keyboard and mouse stuff works in GRUB and Shell, but did not test an actual installation for a while 17:15:41 <pwhalen> Working on IoT now, I dont expect any issue with the reaming tests 17:15:44 <pwhalen> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pwhalen/QA/IoT/Fedora-IoT-32-20200423.1 17:15:46 <cmurf> usually the issue with macs relate to firmware and booting 17:16:19 <frantisekz> yeah, I've tested RC 1.3, worked just fine (including installation, dualboot...) 17:16:27 <frantisekz> can vouch for that too :) 17:16:37 <adamw> pwhalen: thanks for that, i am still working on automatic matrix creation for IoT as it sort of involved doing huge amounts of work on wikitcms first...:/ 17:16:41 <jforbes> As someone who has set up a hackintosh and had to make EFI do unnatural things, this makes sense 17:17:57 <pwhalen> adamw, understood. :( 17:18:15 <nirik> my mac needs a out of kernel spi driver for keyboard/touchpad apparently, and no escape key because thats on the touchbar. 17:18:24 <King_InuYasha> :( 17:18:31 <King_InuYasha> I'm glad my macbook predates that 17:18:42 <pjones> nirik: someone did make linux work on the touchbar now 17:19:01 <pjones> nirik: so it's really just a question of how we want to package up a whole second operating system to run your escape key 17:19:02 <nirik> pjones: yeah, I saw some out of tree stuff floating around... haven't had time to poke at it yet. :) 17:19:07 <bcotton> #topic Current status - RC 17:19:20 <bcotton> #info RC1.6 is the current release candidate 17:19:23 <nirik> yep. escape ios. ;) 17:19:31 <bcotton> mboddu: what can you tell us about this wonderful RC? 17:19:53 <adamw> pjones: oooo i know can we put it in a flatpak? inside coreos? 17:20:02 <mboddu> bcotton: Everything great, missed some images, just like RC 1.2/1.3 but not we got ppc64le silverblue workstation as well 17:20:14 <pjones> adamw: oh and we can make it communicate with the normal OS through aws actions 17:20:23 <adamw> we only missed a couple of live spins, right? just about everything else is there 17:20:30 <King_InuYasha> no guiz, it needs to be inside of Docker! 17:20:38 <bcotton> did Comp Neuro Lab make it? 17:20:49 <mkonecny> 707551 17:20:51 <mattdm> i hope so because it's mentioned in the press release :) 17:20:53 <mboddu> bcotton: Yes, scientific_kde, robotics didn't work 17:20:57 <adamw> https://pagure.io/releng/failed-composes/issue/1336 17:21:05 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/releng/failed-composes/issue/1336 17:21:06 <mkonecny> sorry, bad window 17:21:06 <adamw> note the 'failed' 32-bit ARM images there are a lie 17:21:07 <King_InuYasha> :'( 17:21:18 <bcotton> #info scientific_kde, robotics didn't work 17:21:20 <adamw> it's something like 'they always fail in those tasks but we actually get images from some other task' 17:21:33 <adamw> so we do have those. only the three lives at the top really failed. 17:21:43 <nirik> we should fix that. 17:21:46 <pwhalen> and we hope to get that fixed, RSN 17:21:47 <cmurf> pjones: we'll just ship per make/model GRUB blobs and dm-verity images, i'll have the code ready in say two days? 17:21:52 * nirik really wants a FINISHED compose someday. 17:22:04 <pjones> cmurf: I'm glad you're on it 17:22:06 <bcotton> nirik you're so selfish 17:22:24 <bcotton> any other questions or comments about the RC? 17:22:24 <adamw> nirik: we have some! just...not "Fedora" composes... 17:22:25 * nirik bows 17:22:33 <mboddu> nirik: Haha, imagine that for a release :D 17:22:50 <adamw> nope. 17:22:52 <adamw> oh 17:22:55 <adamw> i guess for the record 17:23:08 <adamw> IoT is still not in the main compose and there still seems to be no Official plan for if/how to ship it 17:23:24 <adamw> so I guess that's up to pbrobinson / pwhalen / the websites team / whoever. 17:23:28 <mattdm> I talked to pbrobinson and #thisisfine for F32 17:23:34 <King_InuYasha> yey? 17:23:36 <mattdm> We promise to have a better answer for F33 17:23:41 <adamw> sounds good 17:23:42 <King_InuYasha> pinky promise? 17:24:06 <mattdm> It's still going to be "shipped" in however pbrobinson is doing it now for this release 17:24:17 <King_InuYasha> ah, good, so there will be "something" 17:24:24 <jforbes> Fedora has a history of this type of thing back to FC1. The x86_64 isos were composed at my house and shipped after the fact 17:24:32 <mattdm> yeah it's just not integrated into The Process 17:24:32 <King_InuYasha> :D 17:24:56 <mattdm> jforbes: We'll have to add that the #fedorasocialhour trivia game :) 17:25:16 <bcotton> okay, so let's make a decision then 17:25:26 <bcotton> #topic Go/No-Go decision 17:25:27 <bcotton> I will poll each team. Please reply “go” or “no-go” 17:25:29 <bcotton> FESCo? 17:25:35 <jforbes> mattdm: I think I still have a link to the release announcement 17:25:50 <sgallagh> Go! 17:25:53 <nirik> go 17:25:56 <bcotton> #info FESCo is GO 17:25:59 <bcotton> Releng? 17:26:26 <nirik> go go 17:26:27 <mboddu> Go 17:26:28 <bcotton> #info Releng is GO 17:26:31 <bcotton> QA? 17:26:36 <adamw> per our policy, GO 17:26:37 <King_InuYasha> :D 17:26:44 <bcotton> #info QA is GO 17:26:44 <adamw> (test coverage complete, no outstanding blockers) 17:26:47 <bcotton> #agreed Fedora 32 Final is GO 17:26:48 <bcotton> #info Fedora 32 Final will release on 2020-04-28 17:26:56 <bcotton> #action bcotton to announce decision 17:26:57 <mboddu> Woot woot 17:27:01 <sgallagh> Woo! 17:27:07 <mattdm> thanks everyone! 17:27:07 <bcotton> #topic Open floor 17:27:08 <Defolos> YEAH! 17:27:09 <bcotton> Anything else we need to discuss before closing? 17:27:09 <nirik> 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 17:27:10 <pwhalen> W00t! 17:27:13 <jforbes> Woot! 17:27:19 <sumantro> yaay! 17:27:20 <mattdm> how many on-time releases does this make? 17:27:21 <coremodule> Woot! 17:27:30 <mboddu> bcotton: So, I found this blocker... :P 17:27:37 <bcotton> mattdm: 100% of releases since I became FPgM :-p 17:27:41 <bcotton> mboddu: sorry, too late :p 17:27:45 <mattdm> .fire mboddu 17:27:46 <zodbot> adamw fires mboddu 17:27:52 <mattdm> bcotton++ 17:28:12 <bcotton> not to get all In These Uncertain Times on you, but i appreciate the hard work everyone has put in, especially in these uncertain times 17:28:12 <mboddu> mattdm: 5th on time release, if I am not wrong 17:28:17 <adamw> mattdm: Teh Intarwebs told me that it doesn't count as on time unless we hit the preferred date 17:28:18 <adamw> sorry 17:28:24 <mattdm> adamw: FALSE 17:28:32 <adamw> but the interwebs are never wrong! 17:28:34 <mattdm> that counts as _early_ 17:28:39 <cmurf> exactly 17:28:43 <King_InuYasha> so then we've done it since Fedora 28 17:28:50 <bcotton> 5 sounds right 17:28:56 <King_InuYasha> the interwebz broke when that happened :D 17:29:03 <adamw> on-time, heavily tested releases 17:29:04 <adamw> koffkoff 17:29:05 <mattdm> Seriously though I am half serious about renaming "preferred target" to "phoronix target" 17:29:06 <jforbes> Does this mean the F32 test push can happen now so I don't supercede the release kernel and it goes away? 17:29:07 <pbokoc> wait, is this on time? I thought we slipped by a week - was Apr 28 the original plan? 17:29:07 <kk4ewt> lets say instead on schedule 17:29:19 <mattdm> kk4ewt++ 17:29:28 <adamw> jforbes: yeah, we will do a stable push this afternoon 17:29:29 <kk4ewt> pbokoc; second scheduled 17:29:30 <King_InuYasha> pbokoc: we didn't have to edit the F32 schedule 17:29:35 <adamw> mboddu and i just need to line up the ducks 17:29:42 <bcotton> i'm 75% serious about calling them "early target" and "preferred target" 17:29:44 <King_InuYasha> mattdm: iirc, the rule is we didn't have to edit the schedule wiki page, right? 17:29:45 <King_InuYasha> :P 17:29:46 <pbokoc> ah, right :) 17:29:47 <adamw> all the packages from RC 1.6 will be pushed stable, including kernel 5.6.6 17:29:47 <jforbes> I just need a test push so I can mark it for stable 17:30:00 <kk4ewt> bcotton; then you will be late 17:30:17 <nirik> bcotton++ 17:30:37 <kk4ewt> but at least when we say we will release there is a set time whereas ubuntu is releasing sometime today 17:30:48 <King_InuYasha> it's already out, iirc 17:30:57 <King_InuYasha> they're waiting for mirror sync for the announcement 17:31:10 <King_InuYasha> the isos spin at midnight UTC for them, iirc 17:31:15 <bcotton> alright, y'all. i'm going to bang the gavel so we can set this ball in motion 17:31:18 <bcotton> last call 17:31:18 <mboddu> jforbes : All the packages that went into RC will be pushed stable today, but remaining everything will start from tomorrow 17:31:41 <bcotton> #endmeeting