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16:00:50 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc
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16:00:50 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
16:00:56 <mhroncok> hey
16:00:57 <tibbs> Hey.
16:01:01 <decathorpe> .hello2
16:01:02 <geppetto> #chair mhroncok
16:01:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mhroncok
16:01:02 <zodbot> decathorpe: decathorpe 'None' <decathorpe@gmail.com>
16:01:04 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
16:01:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mhroncok tibbs
16:01:06 <geppetto> #chair decathorpe
16:01:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto mhroncok tibbs
16:01:10 * limburgher here
16:01:13 <geppetto> #chair limburgher
16:01:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto limburgher mhroncok tibbs
16:01:15 <mhroncok> decathorpe: hi None
16:01:22 * decathorpe shrugs
16:01:25 <geppetto> :)
16:01:34 <geppetto> .hello2
16:01:34 <decathorpe> FAS, go home, you're drung
16:01:35 <zodbot> geppetto: geppetto 'Gep Petto' <geppetto.muc@gmail.com>
16:01:37 * mhroncok doesn't exist anyway
16:01:57 <mhroncok> .hello2
16:01:57 <zodbot> mhroncok: Sorry, but you don't exist
16:01:58 <geppetto> lol, very drunk
16:02:12 <decathorpe> 😁
16:02:23 <redi> hi
16:02:26 <geppetto> #chair redi
16:02:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto limburgher mhroncok redi tibbs
16:02:36 <ignatenkobrain> .hello2
16:02:38 <zodbot> ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Gnatenko' <i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com>
16:03:26 <geppetto> #chair ignatenkobrain
16:03:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: decathorpe geppetto ignatenkobrain limburgher mhroncok redi tibbs
16:04:33 <geppetto> #topic Schedule
16:04:37 <geppetto> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/KMUACQ7C2DMS7KIKTNXVWGMNMVQDQF2F/
16:04:47 <geppetto> #topic #845 Wiki deprecation status
16:04:52 <geppetto> .fpc 845
16:04:53 <zodbot> geppetto: Issue #845: Wiki deprecation status - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/845
16:05:30 <geppetto> Just an update for this … anyone do any?
16:05:40 <ignatenkobrain> IIRC guys who were working on docs.fp.o have some script to automatically change all pages to redirect to docs.fp.o
16:05:44 <ignatenkobrain> so that we don't have to change it manually
16:06:10 <geppetto> sounds good … who do we ping about it?
16:06:15 <tibbs> I don't think we'd want it done automatically until we're sure the current documents are actually in good shape, though.
16:06:16 <ignatenkobrain> I think it is time to set redirects
16:07:24 <tibbs> All you have to do is review a document for formatting correctness and replace the wiki page with the redirect macro I gave in the ticket.
16:08:12 <tibbs> It's best if you add the last-reviewed bit to the adoc file when you do that so we can easily see what still needs work.
16:10:35 <ignatenkobrain> I've put one in Rust.adoc
16:10:49 <tibbs> I saw.  (It's easy to grep for, after all).
16:12:00 <tibbs> And I just added the redirect to the wiki page.
16:12:22 <decathorpe> I can try to review some pages next week when I feel the need to procrastinate from University work
16:12:48 <geppetto> #action decathorpe Will procrastinate by doing page reviews ;)
16:13:12 * decathorpe approves
16:13:49 <ignatenkobrain> +1
16:13:59 <geppetto> Ok, I think we are done for that ticket...
16:14:00 <geppetto> #topic #859 Scriptlet to replace a directory: try delete first?
16:14:04 <geppetto> .fpc 859
16:14:05 <zodbot> geppetto: Issue #859: Scriptlet to replace a directory: try delete first? - packaging-committee - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/859
16:14:27 <tibbs> I don't think there's anything new here.
16:14:42 <tibbs> Macro would be good and I guess should be the first step.
16:14:49 <geppetto> Yeh
16:14:50 <tibbs> Then we can silently improve this.
16:14:55 <decathorpe> yes, consistent handling would be nice
16:15:10 <tibbs> There appears to be no chance of RPM handling this properly in the near future.
16:15:33 * geppetto nods
16:15:37 <tibbs> One question not addressed by macro-ization, though, is whether you should %ghost multiple backup directories.
16:15:54 <decathorpe> I think that way lies madness
16:16:02 <decathorpe> how long should they be kept around?
16:16:45 <tibbs> Hmm.
16:17:13 <tibbs> I don't think there's much reason to deviate from our usual "two live releases" thing.
16:17:21 <decathorpe> right
16:18:46 <geppetto> seems fair
16:19:20 <tibbs> Obviously if someone has special needs they can... do something special.
16:19:52 <decathorpe> and adding a comment: "added in fedora 30, remove after 32 branch point" would be good
16:20:31 <tibbs> And certainly they can %ghost multiple rpmmoved directories if they're shifting the same thing back and forth from directory to file, though I'd hope that nobody is doing that.
16:23:36 <geppetto> ha
16:23:41 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
16:23:49 <geppetto> Ok, anything else anybody wants to talk about?
16:24:19 <mhroncok> some interesting discusion in the %{_bindir} ticket
16:25:38 <mhroncok> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/848
16:26:05 * mhroncok also sees that there are at least 2 tickets waiting on mhroncok - will try to be better
16:28:58 <tibbs> The discussion in 848 seems to make a difference only if flatpak packages are allowed to BR other flatpacks instead of regular packages.
16:29:06 <mhroncok> end meeting?
16:29:14 <tibbs> I have no idea if that's the case, but it feels like it's not.
16:29:25 <geppetto> Wanted to make sure everyone had a time to look at 848
16:29:58 * limburgher making sure
16:30:12 <decathorpe> I still think its making things more complicated than they need to be
16:30:38 <tibbs> I thought the core of 848 was "don't use %_bindir in a BR.  Just use /usr/bin".
16:30:45 <limburgher> Oof. decathorpe agreed.
16:31:21 <decathorpe> I can agree to "don't use %{_bindir} in BuildRequires"
16:31:26 <decathorpe> but everything else?
16:32:06 <geppetto> yeh +1
16:34:35 <geppetto> Ok, going to end it
16:34:44 <geppetto> everyone can have their 20 minutes back :)
16:35:29 <decathorpe> +1
16:35:56 <decathorpe> I think the f30 beta Go/No Go meeting will happen soon anyway?
16:36:01 <tibbs> Thanks.  I'll double-check the documents that have last-reviewed and make sure the wiki pages have redirects.
16:36:16 <tibbs> One day we'll be rid if this horrible daylight savings time thing.
16:36:46 * decathorpe nods
16:37:13 <geppetto> #endmeeting