15:02:00 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 15:02:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Sep 4 15:02:00 2018 UTC. 15:02:00 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:02:00 <zodbot> The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:02:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_qa_meeting' 15:02:04 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa 15:02:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:02:08 <adamw> #topic Roll call 15:03:00 * kparal is here 15:03:15 <frantisekz> .hello2 15:03:15 * coremodule is here! 15:03:16 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com> 15:04:12 <adamw> ahoy frantisekz, cmurf 15:04:55 <frantisekz> hey adam :) 15:05:10 <Sumantro> Hey Adam frantisekz 15:05:11 <cmurf> Got my deck shoes on. 15:06:19 * adamw misses the joke 15:06:33 <davdunc> .hello2 15:06:34 <zodbot> davdunc: davdunc 'David Duncan' <davdunc@amazon.com> 15:06:56 <adamw> hi, david 15:07:03 <cmurf> ahoy -> boat -> slippery when wet -> deck shoes to avoid face planting 15:07:09 <Sumantro> Hey! 15:07:22 <davdunc> hey Sumantro adamw 15:07:36 <adamw> cmurf: oh wow, that was like next level man 15:07:47 * adamw cannot reason that extensively before lunch 15:08:44 <cmurf> adamw: too kind, you know me I love the obscure and invoking "WTF is he on about now?" 15:08:45 <Sumantro> Hi David!! 15:08:56 <lbrabec> .hello2 15:08:57 <zodbot> lbrabec: lbrabec 'Lukas Brabec' <lbrabec@redhat.com> 15:09:17 <adamw> alrighty then 15:09:23 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow up 15:10:06 <adamw> #info "adamw to send out mail about F29 Change review" - welp, I forgot this was an action item, but I did it anyway! - https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/L2W2QAPASC4CVS75KP4KJ6VH2H3PKKGB/ 15:10:17 <adamw> any other follow-up from last week? 15:10:22 <adamw> er, last time 15:11:08 <coremodule> Nothing here 15:11:53 <adamw> okely dokely 15:12:01 <adamw> (i refuse to submit to the apparently-canonical spelling of that) 15:12:14 <adamw> #topic Fedora 29 general status 15:12:15 <cmurf> Simpson's version 15:12:41 <adamw> cmurf: the Simpsons apparently spells it 'okilly dokilly' 15:12:49 <adamw> which is, in my humble opinion, utterly wrong and shameful 15:12:51 <adamw> :P 15:13:02 <adamw> soooo, yeah. Fedora 29! 15:13:10 <coremodule> Woooo 15:13:24 <adamw> woop woop 15:13:26 <cmurf> adamw: obscene 15:13:28 <adamw> ....it's busted 15:13:35 <cmurf> haha 15:14:01 <cmurf> on a scale from 1 to 5, with 5 being busted is it a 4? Or a 6? 15:14:05 <adamw> so, yeah, overall current status: we're frozen for Beta. composes are working again (at last). we had a compose nominated for validation testing (at last). there seem to be quite a lot of blockers. 15:14:09 <adamw> i'd say we're at pantscon 2 15:14:17 <adamw> THE RETURN OF PANTSCON 15:14:49 <kparal> I can only imagine what happens at pantscon 5... 15:15:13 <adamw> #info Fedora 29 is frozen for Beta as of 2018-08-27 15:15:30 <cmurf> kparal: time to buy stain treatment 15:15:34 <adamw> that's the one 15:15:42 <adamw> time to break out the tide pods 15:16:03 <kparal> cmurf: that's what I thought. but pantscon is apparently a thing on the internet: http://www.pantscon5.com/ 15:16:17 <cmurf> oh god but of course all things have a thing on the internet 15:17:02 <adamw> oh good lord 15:17:04 <cmurf> sooo I'm maybe out of the loop, or maybe i'm noticing, not all features have landed yet in 20180901 nightly? 15:17:18 <adamw> i need to sue someone for patent infringement or something 15:17:29 <adamw> cmurf: i've got F29 Change status as the next topic 15:17:32 <adamw> so can we hold it for that? 15:17:38 <cmurf> okilly dokilly 15:17:46 <cmurf> (you can shoot me now) 15:17:50 <adamw> .fire cmurf for incorrect correct spelling 15:17:50 <zodbot> adamw fires cmurf for incorrect correct spelling 15:17:57 <adamw> (or do i mean correct incorrect spelling? WHATEVER) 15:18:33 <adamw> #info Fedora 29 Beta Go/No-Go is currently scheduled for 2018-09-13, meaning we have nine days to beat it into shape 15:18:47 <cmurf> interesting time frame 15:19:13 <adamw> we have blockers and proposed blockers across the board, more or less, with a focus on dnf and GNOME 15:20:03 <adamw> #info there are critical known bugs with dbus and grub2 currently, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1623781 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1624532 : note these did not reach F29 'stable' so are not technically blockers 15:20:42 <adamw> #info we have so far escalated one blocker to FESCo, https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1974 15:22:47 <adamw> that's about what i've got for general status 15:22:55 <adamw> any other notes/thoughts outside of Change-specific things (which we'll cover next)? 15:24:08 <lruzicka> .hello2 15:24:09 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com> 15:24:25 <sumantro> hii lruzicka :) 15:24:26 <lruzicka> I am sorry for being late. I was travelling. 15:26:06 <adamw> alrighty, moving along, then 15:26:24 <adamw> #topic Fedora 29 Change status 15:26:51 <adamw> so, as mentioned earlier, I sent out a mail last week asking folks to help take a look at the status of the Fedora 29 Changes: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/29/ChangeSet 15:27:01 <adamw> all those Changes are supposed to be in 'code complete' state right now 15:27:09 <adamw> so we should probably be making a noise about ones that aren't 15:27:17 <adamw> anyone looked into any of those and have thoughts? 15:27:56 <sumantro> adamw I have and I have mailed Hans for Grub Test Day and I am not sure if we should have a Dbus test day to follow. 15:28:12 * cmurf looking 15:30:21 <adamw> i mean, it can't hurt, i guess 15:30:41 <sumantro> then I will go ahead and propose one of that! 15:30:57 <cmurf> ahhh, hmm. I'm not seeing the GRUB2 change to use BLS snippets instead of grub.cfg. I only see the hide grub menu change. 15:31:15 <adamw> that's the one I know of, yeah. 15:31:44 <adamw> so, you were expecting a BLS compliance change? 15:32:01 <adamw> note for everyone else: by 'BLS' we mean https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/doc/BOOT_LOADER_SPECIFICATION.md 15:32:04 <cmurf> yeah there was a discussion about it on devel@ in the last couple months 15:32:34 <cmurf> there's a script in Fedora 28 to flip it over, and I thought it was going to be a default change in Fedora 29 but I guess I'm wrong about that 15:32:39 <cmurf> I don't see it listed in the changeset 15:32:44 <cmurf> maybe they postponed it 15:32:51 <cmurf> *shrug* 15:33:19 <adamw> who was driving that? 15:33:19 <cmurf> I'll take it up on devel@ and ask status 15:33:24 <adamw> yeah, i was gonna suggest that 15:33:25 <cmurf> pjones 15:33:35 <adamw> it'd definitely be good to know if it's suddenly going to show up post-beta and blow everything up again... 15:33:44 <cmurf> for sure 15:34:45 <sumantro> adamw i totally agree with you on this. Atleast if we have a heads up we can flag it during a test day at best. 15:35:16 <adamw> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DbusBrokerAsTheDefaultDbusImplementation is definitely not 'code complete' - the update that attempted part of its implementation is the one that caused https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1623781 (failed boots for everyone) 15:35:38 <cmurf> yeah that's kinda inconvenient 15:36:18 <cmurf> was the broken update revoked to limit the damage? 15:36:39 <lruzicka> adamw, but if you switch to dbus-broker, the system is working with no problem 15:36:55 <lruzicka> adamw, the probles is that the switch is probably not done automatically 15:37:06 <adamw> cmurf: i do see a fairly recent commit to grub2 package "Add an installkernel script for BLS configurations" 15:37:18 <adamw> lruzicka: it's...sort of that. 15:38:03 <adamw> cmurf: yeah, i yanked it, but only after it'd got out to lots of people 15:39:38 <cmurf> catch-22: need to test hidden grub menu to understand how that change causes pain and how to get out of pain when things break like dbus-borker in this case 15:40:05 <cmurf> but then that kind of pain is a high penalty which can inhibit testing 15:40:29 <adamw> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/uEFIforARMv7 is also problematic: it is implemented, but with a blocker bug (#1615969); the build that aimed to fix the blocker also broke grub2 on x86_64 UEFI (#1624532) 15:40:54 <adamw> cmurf: well, the 'hidden grub menu' Change is supposed to have a feature where the grub menu *is* displayed after a 'failed' boot 15:41:08 <adamw> it seems that the dbus failure doesn't always trigger this, though, at least on the one report we have 15:41:27 <cmurf> yep 15:42:03 <cmurf> and we need to know why so the boot pass/fail trigger can get better 15:42:11 <cmurf> but learning why is hard when you can't login at all 15:42:45 <adamw> well, we have ongoing discussion around that on the lists 15:42:52 <adamw> with workarounds adn stuff 15:43:32 <adamw> so, any other Change notes? 15:44:03 <cmurf> zchunk 15:44:04 <cmurf> did that land? 15:44:15 <frantisekz> nope, and I think it won't for f29 15:44:39 <pbrobinson> adamw: rhbz 1615969 is unrelated to uEFIforARMv7 it's pure aarch64 15:45:13 <frantisekz> cmurf: source: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/BIDYB7L4Z7NEUD4PWEHZ4NIE4DA37EQG/ 15:45:32 <adamw> pbrobinson: doh, you're right, sorry 15:46:00 <adamw> #undo 15:46:00 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by adamw at 15:40:29 : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/uEFIforARMv7 is also problematic: it is implemented, but with a blocker bug (#1615969); the build that aimed to fix the blocker also broke grub2 on x86_64 UEFI (#1624532) 15:46:22 <pbrobinson> adamw: and on SBSA/SBBR which is a blocking platform, interesting it doesn't trigger on things booting using uefi on u-boot 15:46:46 <adamw> what's an SBSA and/or SBBR? 15:46:48 <cmurf> frantisekz: ok thanks 15:46:59 <adamw> they both sound like new tennis tactics 15:47:20 <cmurf> or aviation acronyms 15:49:50 <coremodule> Speedbird 283, cleared to land runway 17 left, maintain 180 knots until 3 miles east of the SBSA/SBBR 15:49:51 <adamw> i guess we'll never know! 15:49:58 <cmurf> what's the GnuTLS->TLS1.3 status? Sounds like it landed as bugs are being filed? 15:50:12 <adamw> wait, i mean, runway 18 15:50:17 <adamw> guess i picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue 15:50:36 <cmurf> speedbird haha, BA callsign! 15:50:41 <coremodule> ;) 15:50:51 <adamw> are you thinking of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1623471 ? 15:50:52 <sumantro> ;) 15:52:42 <cmurf> yes but I thought there was more than one 15:52:50 <adamw> might well be, that's just the one i know about... 15:53:18 <cmurf> haha i just started reading the bug 15:53:21 <adamw> #info there are also known bugs related to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnuTLS-TLS1.3 , at least https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1623471 15:53:23 <cmurf> that one bug could explain multiple problems 15:53:39 <adamw> well, note that it seems to be related to both gnutls and glib-networking 15:53:45 <adamw> so it can only explain bugs that involve both of those 15:53:50 <adamw> anyhoo, we gotta move on... 15:53:53 <cmurf> gotcha 15:54:01 <adamw> #topic Test Day update 15:54:01 <kparal> hm, that could be related to the SSL errors I saw 15:54:02 <adamw> sumantro? 15:54:05 <sumantro> 2018-09-04 i18n test day 15:54:06 <sumantro> 2018-09-11 Virtualization Test day 15:54:06 <sumantro> 2018-09-20 Silverblue Test Day 15:54:06 <sumantro> 2018-09-26 Java Test Day 15:54:06 <sumantro> 2018-10-01 Cloud Test Day 15:54:06 <sumantro> Gnome should happen somewhere 1 week after beta as kalev went on a long vacation. Still waiting on DNF 3.4 to be released for DNF test day 15:54:12 <cmurf> i'm not seeing any other changes that haven't landed 15:54:30 <sumantro> adamw I was waiting when you'd ask :D 15:54:49 <adamw> #info today (2018-09-04) is i18n Test Day, we then have Virtualization (2018-09-11), Silverblue (2018-09-20), Java (2018-09-26), Cloud (2018-10-01) 15:55:15 <adamw> #info GNOME Test Day is waiting on the maintainer returning from vacation, DNF Test Day is waiting on DNF 3.4 release 15:55:18 <adamw> thansk sumantro! 15:55:27 <sumantro> np adamw! 15:55:40 <adamw> #topic Open floor 15:55:50 <adamw> ok, any other business? note blocker review starts in 4 minutes in #fedora-blocker-review 15:59:06 <adamw> ok, thanks for coming, everyone! 15:59:12 <kparal> thanks adamw 15:59:18 <lruzicka> thanks, adamw 15:59:28 <lruzicka> lets block and roll 15:59:38 <coremodule> Thanks adamw 16:00:11 <adamw> #endmeeting