12:58:14 <jwf> #startmeeting Fedora CommOps (2018-04-13)
12:58:15 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 13 12:58:14 2018 UTC.  The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:58:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_commops_(2018-04-13)'
12:58:15 <jwf> #meetingname commops
12:58:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'commops'
12:58:15 <jwf> #nick commops
12:58:19 <jwf> #topic Agenda
12:58:27 <jwf> #link https://infinote.fedoraproject.org/cgit/infinote/tree/meeting-templates/fedora-commops-meeting-next
12:58:27 <jwf> #info (1) Roll call / Q&A
12:58:27 <jwf> #info (2) Announcements
12:58:27 <jwf> #info (3) Action items from last meeting
12:58:28 <jwf> #info (4) Tickets
12:58:30 <jwf> #info (5) Open floor
12:58:36 <jwf> #topic Roll call / Q&A
12:58:44 <jwf> #info Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas
12:58:44 <jwf> #action commops New members, make sure you introduce yourself on the CommOps mailing list [ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps/Join ]
12:58:51 <jwf> If this is your first time at a CommOps meeting, feel free to introduce yourself to everyone and say hello! If anyone has any questions before we get started with the rest of the agenda, now is also a good time to ask.
12:59:27 <jwf> Started a little early because I'm finishing something else up before we start. Anyone who is here for the meeting, feel free to chime in :-)
13:04:42 <x3mboy> .hello2
13:04:42 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
13:05:03 <bt0_> hi x3mboy
13:05:05 * jwf waves to x3mboy
13:05:08 <jwf> bt0_: Hey!
13:05:13 <jwf> #chair x3mboy bt0 bt0_
13:05:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0 bt0_ jwf x3mboy
13:05:23 <bt0_> hi jwf o/
13:05:30 <jwf> Hmmm. This is definitely not the same number of people who filled out the Etherpad for this time. :P
13:05:40 <jwf> s/Etherpad/WhenIsGood
13:06:00 <jwf> Oh well – we can go ahead and start, and anyone else can chime in when they arrive.
13:06:13 <x3mboy> bt0_, Hi bro!
13:06:40 <jwf> Oh, right:
13:06:53 <jwf> #info Justin W. Flory; UTC-4; CommOps, Diversity, Mindshare, Ambassador
13:07:05 <bt0_> #info Alberto Rodríguez Sánchez; UTC-6; CommOps, marketing, dotNet sig, Ambassadors
13:07:50 <jwf> #info x3mboy is here too :-)
13:07:51 <jwf> #topic Announcements
13:07:59 <jwf> #info === "Interviews on the Fedora Infrastructure Hackathon 2018" ===
13:07:59 <jwf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-infrastructure-hackathon-2018/
13:07:59 <jwf> #info The Fedora Infrastructure Hackathon is going on this week. Read about some of the goals and plans for the hackathon and what the Infrastructure team hopes to accomplish.
13:08:10 <jwf> #info === "Top Badgers of 2017: Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez" ===
13:08:10 <jwf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/top-badgers-2017-alberto-rodriguez-sanchez/
13:08:11 <jwf> #info The next edition of Top Badgers of 2017 is here! Read lroca's interview with bt0 on his success and advice for others on gathering badges from 2017.
13:08:14 <jwf> bt0++
13:08:24 <jwf> #info === "Kernel 4.16 Test Day 2018-04-13" ===
13:08:24 <jwf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/kernel-4-16-test-day-2018-04-13/
13:08:24 <jwf> #info The Fedora QA team needs your help! The kernel team is working on final integration for Kernel 4.16 for Fedora 28. This version was just recently released, and will arrive soon in Fedora. Come help test it out!
13:08:30 <jwf> <eof>
13:08:35 <jwf> Those are the three announcements I have.
13:08:43 <jwf> Anyone else have anything?
13:09:01 <bt0_> not from.me
13:09:11 <jwf> Going once…
13:09:20 <jwf> Going twice…
13:09:25 <jwf> And thrice!
13:09:33 <jwf> #topic Action items from last meeting
13:09:40 <jwf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-04-02/commops.2018-04-02-14.32.html
13:09:40 <jwf> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.
13:09:51 <jwf> #info === [IN PROGRESS] "jwf Work on first draft of FAD event report, share with team for feedback" ===
13:09:52 <jwf> #action jwf Work on first draft of FAD event report, share with team for feedback
13:10:02 <jwf> #info === [INCOMPLETE] "jwf Review Contributor Stories draft and schedule in the next week" ===
13:10:02 <jwf> #action jwf Review Contributor Stories draft and schedule in the next week
13:10:13 <jwf> #info === [INCOMPLETE] "dhanesh95 Finish research into implementation solutions and put together a final proposal for how to move forward with WordPress fedmsg integration by Friday, April 13, 2018" ===
13:10:14 <jwf> #info Dropping action item from meeting agenda, adding comment to ticket to add update when available
13:10:23 <jwf> #info === [INCOMPLETE] "x3mboy File a new ticket in Mindshare Pagure to propose student pack idea and start discussion in Mindshare Committee" ===
13:10:29 <jwf> x3mboy: Do you want to time-box this one?
13:10:49 <x3mboy> Yes, I will need at least one more week to retake everything
13:10:54 * jwf nods
13:11:00 <jwf> x3mboy: Do you want to set them for next Friday?
13:11:06 <x3mboy> Yes
13:11:07 <jwf> April 20?
13:11:11 <jwf> Awesome.
13:11:20 <jwf> #action x3mboy File a new ticket in Mindshare Pagure to propose student pack idea and start discussion in Mindshare Committee by Friday, April 20
13:11:22 <x3mboy> Just yesterday I got the casts out, so I can work better this week
13:11:24 <x3mboy> :D
13:11:26 <jwf> #info === [INCOMPLETE] "x3mboy Submit new PR with README for contributor-stories repository" ===
13:11:32 <jwf> #action x3mboy Submit new PR with README for contributor-stories repository by Friday, April 20
13:11:38 <x3mboy> Thanks
13:11:41 <jwf> x3mboy++ Awesome!! Do you have your arms back now?
13:11:53 <jwf> #info === [COMPLETE] "wesleyotugo Reach out to stickster/pfrields, jperrin, and sinnykumari to interview on the Infrastructure Hackathon" ===
13:11:53 <jwf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-infrastructure-hackathon-2018/
13:11:53 <jwf> #info This was published earlier this week. Nice work wesleyotugo, and thanks to nirik, smooge, and sinnykumari for the interview answers!
13:12:03 <jwf> #info === [COMPLETE] "jwf Update Fedocal for new meeting day and time" ===
13:12:03 <jwf> #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/8732/
13:12:05 <jwf> <eof>
13:12:28 <jwf> This week, I didn't have much time to work on Fedora things, so I slipped on a lot of my action items
13:12:30 <x3mboy> Yeah!!!
13:12:39 <x3mboy> I can type with both hands again
13:12:40 <bt0_> amazing
13:12:44 <x3mboy> Wiiiii!!!
13:12:50 <jwf> x3mboy: \o/ That is awesome news. Happy to hear it!
13:13:24 <jwf> #topic Tickets
13:13:37 <jwf> #info === Ticket #110: "Fedora Appreciation Week 2017" ===
13:13:37 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/110
13:13:37 <jwf> #link https://screenshots.firefox.com/NDyEhhKzQJ4WpXr4/etherpad.persephone.cloud
13:13:42 <jwf> #info No new updates: jwf needs to review bt0's draft and schedule. This will be done over this weekend.
13:13:46 <jwf> Will skip over ticket for today's meeting if no new discussion?
13:13:59 <jwf> Now I know this ticket is blocking on me, so I will work hard at unblocking it this weekend
13:14:01 <bt0_> +1
13:14:20 <jwf> Cool, then I will skip ahead…
13:14:29 <jwf> #info === Ticket #117: "How-to create Onboading guidelines for your team" ===
13:14:29 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/117
13:14:38 <jwf> This was an older ticket in our Pagure that bee2502 filed a while back
13:15:02 <jwf> I thought now was a good time to revisit, since the docs migration is done.
13:15:35 <jwf> Some of you might remember the old tickets we had for the sub-project on-boarding discussions
13:16:07 <jwf> This ticket was intended to be the "successor" to those tickets by creating a set of best practices / guidelines for any Fedora sub-project to on-board new contributors
13:16:34 <jwf> Kind of like our docs we have here, but generalized:
13:16:34 <jwf> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/subprojects/mindshare/docs/contribute/join.html
13:17:04 * bt0_ is reading
13:17:08 <jwf> I thought writing this as a doc would be more useful than a CommBlog post.
13:17:36 <jwf> I was also thinking of this repository that hasn't gotten a lot of love and action yet:
13:17:37 <jwf> https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/onboarding-guide
13:17:49 <jwf> I was thinking this could be a good place to put something like that
13:18:38 <Amita> .hello amsharma
13:18:39 <zodbot> Amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' <amsharma@redhat.com>
13:18:51 * Amita just lurking
13:19:01 * jwf waves to Amita
13:19:22 <jwf> So, my question to you all is what content you think makes the most sense to include in this guide.
13:19:29 <jwf> I thought we could do some brainstorming about it here now.
13:19:40 <jwf> Last week, roca asked about this ticket and then I never got back to him :P
13:21:00 * bt0_ is thinking
13:22:06 <x3mboy> Create a telegram channel for your team is a good 1st step
13:22:40 <jwf> x3mboy: Hmm, interesting. That's not a standardized on-boarding procedure, but I like the idea of suggesting it, so long as there is a bridge
13:22:42 <bt0_> works for anyone without experience in irc
13:22:49 <jwf> #idea Create a Telegram group bridged to an IRC channel
13:23:07 <jwf> #idea Give helpful questions for a new contributor to answer in a mailing list introduction
13:24:59 <jwf> #idea Create "starter / easyfix" tasks for new contributors
13:25:15 <jwf> #idea Get the easyfix tasks listed on the easyfix page (https://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/)
13:27:14 <jwf> Sometimes I wonder if it would be helpful to explicitly document how to volunteer for a task too
13:27:21 <bt0_> videos or articles about create a fas account, request access to mailing lists?
13:27:31 <jwf> I feel that over the years, I often see people hesitant or confused because they don't know how to actually "begin" work on a task or ticket
13:27:53 <jwf> bt0: Ooh, that could be new content creation. A video tutorial could be helpful.
13:28:12 <jwf> #idea Creating content for sub-projects: Video on how to create FAS account, subscribe to mailing list, etc.
13:28:40 <jwf> #idea Explicitly document how a new contributor volunteers or starts working on a task or ticket (commenting in Pagure? speaking up in IRC? asking on the mailing list?)
13:28:49 <x3mboy> jwf, I was thinkg on having a podcast session for CommOps, but I feel like we still have stuff to clear up with Mindshare
13:29:02 <x3mboy> So I'm not sure if at this point it will be useful
13:30:14 <jwf> x3mboy: I think the Mindshare FAD cleared things up for me that I've been wondering about for the last two years. :P
13:30:32 <jwf> x3mboy: For discussion's sake, I am interested to know what you think is unclear – but let's save it for open floor
13:30:56 <jwf> So, since roca is not here and he was interested in working on this, I'll take some of these #ideas and put them into the ticket.
13:31:18 <jwf> Maybe it would be easier to start in an Etherpad and then convert to AsciiDoc later
13:31:43 <jwf> I'll do that later this afternoon when I can swing back around
13:32:48 <jwf> If nothing else, I'll go ahead and wrap this up
13:33:00 <bt0_> okay
13:33:21 <jwf> #agreed Will move ideas to the ticket, suggest starting a draft in an Etherpad for a general guidelines doc (and we can edit ideas together into a written AsciiDoc doc)
13:33:46 <jwf> Those are actually the only two tickets I had selected for today, but I wanted to run some brainstorming at open floor:
13:33:49 <jwf> #topic Open floor
13:34:03 <jwf> Before that, x3mboy, did you want to bring up the podcast?
13:34:47 <jwf> And we also need to talk about the meeting time…
13:35:14 <bt0_> :p
13:35:32 <jwf> :-(
13:35:48 <jwf> We can revisit the podcast in a bit
13:36:05 <jwf> http://whenisgood.net/fedora/commops/spring-2018-meeting/results/h4xp9bq
13:36:22 <bt0_> we don't take in account the overlap with diversity
13:36:40 <jwf> Yeah, when I put together the WhenIsGood, I was looking at a week when the Diversity Team wasn't meeting
13:36:49 <jwf> And if I understand right, the Diversity Team is also wanting to move to weekly meetings too
13:37:29 <jwf> Me, jonatoni, x3mboy, and bexelbie are likely blocked at this time after all
13:37:44 <bt0_> yeah
13:37:46 <jwf> And that's four of the seven people who entered this time as a good time
13:38:27 <jwf> I hate to run through this process all over again, so I want to follow up with the Diversity Team if they still wanted to find a new meeting time (but I know it took a while to find a good time for them too)
13:38:31 <jwf> Something about Friday mornings…
13:38:56 <jwf> I'm not really sure what to do yet, but I'll try to figure this out and keep everyone in the loop
13:39:26 <jwf> I also noticed there are some people who had connectivity issues to IRC today and weren't able to participate because it was in IRC
13:39:46 <jwf> I thought we could take a page from Diversity and run our meetings in #fedora-commops too, so people can still participate via Telegram on mobile.
13:40:05 <jwf> I thought this was a trivial change, but wanted to get your thoughts on it
13:40:07 <bt0_> +1
13:40:43 <x3mboy> Sorry I was on d&i
13:40:57 <x3mboy> Oh, well, we are now really clear about what our objective is?
13:41:01 <jwf> x3mboy: I feel you :-(
13:41:21 <jwf> x3mboy: I was curious what you felt was unclear because I think that would help drive the conversation
13:41:22 <x3mboy> If we have this objective really clear, I want to propose a Podcast Interview following the interview of the D&I
13:41:57 <x3mboy> Well, for me it's unclear because I haven't read it anything after the 1st Mindshare report
13:42:29 <jwf> x3mboy: I think the docs page sums it up best, and since we merged it, I think an interview would almost be a verbal version of the content that's there. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/subprojects/mindshare/docs/commops.html
13:42:45 <jwf> This was post-FAD too
13:43:22 <x3mboy> Oh, that looks good
13:43:28 <x3mboy> Sorry that I missed that
13:43:37 <jwf> However, my challenge is that I will probably not be around in May to help out with the podcast. I still need to figure out how the torch will be passed after I'm gone:
13:43:46 <jwf> https://blog.justinwflory.com/2018/04/fedora-may-to-august-2018/
13:43:53 <jwf> ^^ this is also probably helpful to mention now too.
13:44:10 <jwf> I won't be around for much of May until August 2018
13:44:11 <x3mboy> I read that
13:44:15 <bt0_> omg
13:44:49 <x3mboy> But is ok, remember that podcast recording date is not related to release/publish date
13:44:53 * jwf nods
13:44:55 <jwf> Also true
13:45:02 <x3mboy> So, we can secorded just before you go
13:45:10 <jwf> x3mboy: Could I action you to file a ticket for us to figure out the podcast?
13:45:14 <x3mboy> Sure
13:45:25 <x3mboy> s/secorded/recorded
13:45:41 * jwf nods
13:45:53 <jwf> I'm also going to make a note to update the meeting channel to #fedora-commops for the future
13:45:55 * x3mboy still have hope that mizmo will have a time for me to record the next episode about Design team
13:46:16 <jwf> #agreed Future meetings will be held in #fedora-commops to leverage the Telegram <=> IRC bridge
13:46:46 <jwf> #info The meeting time conflict with Diversity is a major blocker; need to figure out a plan forward. jwf will follow-up with meeting days/time with Diversity Team
13:47:05 <jwf> #action x3mboy File a ticket in CommOps Pagure about a new podcast interview / episode on the CommOps team
13:47:15 <jwf> Does this all sound right?
13:47:31 <bt0_> yes
13:47:33 <x3mboy> Yes
13:47:48 <x3mboy> Also, I would love to record this one before the D&I session
13:48:02 <x3mboy> To do a test about more than 1 person interview
13:48:15 <jwf> x3mboy: I can't make promises on that if you're wanting to include me. :-(
13:48:34 <jwf> I'd love to see if we can round up some other folks to participate, like bt0_, wesleyotugo, maybe roca too if he is interested.
13:48:52 <x3mboy> I'd love that too
13:48:56 <jwf> \o/
13:49:00 <jwf> Cool, we can move that to the ticket
13:49:02 <bt0_> sound
13:49:10 <bt0_> s great
13:49:39 <jwf> I wanted to have some brainstorming about new tickets, but I'm not sure if I will have time – I have a one-time in-person meeting in ten minutes I have to get ready for today.
13:49:54 <jwf> Do we want to postpone to next week, maybe when we find a less-conflicting meeting time?
13:50:07 <bt0_> +1
13:50:19 <jwf> Okay, cool
13:50:32 <jwf> Then we can wrap up now and I can get the minutes out to the list before I have to jump out
13:50:50 <jwf> x3mboy bt0: Thanks for coming out today and participating! Even if attention was a little split :P
13:50:55 <jwf> We will fix this for next week
13:51:04 <jwf> See you all in channel or elsewhere in the Fedora universe :-)
13:51:05 <jwf> #endmeeting