13:30:38 <jwf> #startmeeting Fedora Diversity Team - 2018 March 16
13:30:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Mar 16 13:30:38 2018 UTC.  The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:30:38 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_diversity_team_-_2018_march_16'
13:30:42 <jwf> #meetingname diversity
13:30:42 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'diversity'
13:30:47 <jwf> #topic Roll call / Q&A
13:31:25 <jwf> .hello jflory7
13:31:26 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
13:32:15 <jwf> Will wait a few minutes to see who is around.
13:35:00 <Amita> .hello amsharma
13:35:01 <zodbot> Amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' <amsharma@redhat.com>
13:35:27 * jwf waves
13:35:29 <jwf> #chair Amita
13:35:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita jwf
13:36:44 <jwf> We'll wait for five minutes before jumping in
13:36:54 <jwf> I'm not sure if there was an agenda, but I'm putting one together really quick.
13:37:58 <Amita> jwf, objectives need to be discussed on high priority
13:40:26 <jwf> Amita: Right, looking at tickets now.
13:40:38 <jwf> I assume some of the others will arrive a little bit later
13:40:39 <jwf> #topic Announcements
13:40:45 <jwf> #info === "Fedora Diversity: 2017 Year in Review" scheduled for Monday, Mar. 19 ===
13:40:49 <jwf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=5400&preview=1&_ppp=d6a25c4cec
13:40:52 <jwf> #info Year in Review of the Diversity Team is scheduled for Monday, Mar. 19 at 08:15 UTC. Thanks bee2502++ for putting it together.
13:40:58 <jwf> That's the only announcement item I had
13:41:17 <jwf> Anything on your end, Amita?
13:42:07 <Amita> jwf, do we want to share about mindshare FAD - anything in there discussed about diversity which is our in written now?
13:42:11 <jonatoni|m> .hello jonatoni
13:42:12 <zodbot> jonatoni|m: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' <jonaazizaj@gmail.com>
13:42:58 * jwf waves to jonatoni|m
13:43:01 <jwf> #chair jonatoni jonatoni|m
13:43:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita jonatoni jonatoni|m jwf
13:43:29 <jwf> Amita: Nothing comes to mind for me about the Mindshare FAD. There is some on-going work with regards to Ambassadors, but more info is coming soon on the CommBlog.
13:43:41 <jwf> x3mboy has a draft written now, so hopefully next week.
13:43:46 * jonatoni|m waves back at jwf :)
13:44:01 <jwf> Announcements, going once…
13:44:05 <Amita> ok
13:44:11 <jwf> Going twice…
13:44:20 <jwf> And thrice…
13:44:25 <jwf> #topic Action items from last meeting
13:44:29 <jwf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/diversity/diversity.2018-03-02-13.31.html
13:44:33 <jwf> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.
13:44:37 <jwf> #info === [COMPLETE] "jwf Ping mattdm and bexelbie in person for final feedback on video" ===
13:44:40 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/31#comment-497141
13:44:44 <jwf> #info === [INCOMPLETE] "jwf If no other feedback by final deadline, upload video to YouTube by Friday, March 9, 2018" ===
13:44:47 <jwf> #link https://youtu.be/Wm-wQCl3jBI
13:44:51 <jwf> #info New version of the video with feedback from the Docs FAD is complete by chhavi_. jwf will work on uploading this to YouTube soon.
13:44:55 <jwf> #action jwf Upload video to YouTube by Monday, March 19, 2018
13:44:59 <jwf> #info === [COMPLETE] "Amita Put together a pitch for the Diversity Team 2017 Year in Review by next meeting on Friday, March 9th, 2018" ===
13:45:03 <jwf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=5400&preview=1&_ppp=d6a25c4cec
13:45:11 <jwf> That's all the action items from the last meeting.
13:45:30 <jwf> Since no other follow-up is needed, we can go straight to tickets.
13:45:40 <jwf> #topic Tickets
13:45:44 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting
13:46:34 <jwf> A lot of tickets there, I did a quick update to try to focus our discussion for this meeting
13:47:17 <bee_> o/
13:47:25 <jwf> #info === Ticket #49: "Article for Year in Review 2017" ===
13:47:30 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/49
13:47:43 * jwf waves to bee_
13:47:46 <jwf> #chair bee_ bee2502
13:47:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita bee2502 bee_ jonatoni jonatoni|m jwf
13:48:06 <jwf> Since this is scheduled for Monday, I'm going to close this ticket as complete!
13:48:18 <jwf> I don't think any other follow-up is needed here.
13:48:27 <bee_> jwf were any tickets discussed before?
13:48:41 <jwf> bee_: Nope, we just finished with action items, you're in time. :-)
13:49:13 <bee_> great! Did I have any action items?
13:49:49 <bee_> for YiR, I was thinking it would be great if we have translations
13:50:05 <jwf> bee_: Nope, there was the feedback on the video and the YiR post.
13:50:11 <jwf> bee_: Just saw your comment about translations
13:50:16 <bee_> x3mboy was going to help with Spanish ones but he might be too busy.
13:50:19 <jwf> Two things:
13:50:53 <bee_> ..
13:51:22 <jwf> (1) We discussed translations for the Fedora Magazine before, but the technical implementation for doing this is difficult in WordPress. There's not an easy way to translate the content and have multiple languages for a single post. It's something we ruled out on the Magazine because we don't have a way to maintain translated content in a sustainable way.
13:51:26 <jonatoni|m> he is writing Bee, wait :P
13:51:36 <jwf> (2) I don't think translations should hold up the article, since I think it's important we publish soon
13:51:38 <Amita> :)
13:51:42 <Amita> +1
13:51:46 <Amita> I agree totally
13:51:48 <jwf> There are some sites that take content from the Magazine and CommBlog and translate it too
13:52:01 <Amita> on the requirement basis
13:52:08 <jwf> I don't think it's a bad idea to get translated content if there is an interest, but I'm not too sure on how we handle it and make it accessible.
13:52:18 <bee_> jwf +1, it shouldn't hold up the article
13:52:28 <bee_> but if we can have them, we should have them.
13:52:51 <jwf> I'm open-minded, but not sure where we publish or make the translations available.
13:53:11 <jwf> We don't have a way to do localization for Magazine / CommBlog content.
13:53:22 <jwf> At a technical level, I mean
13:53:41 <bee_> Also, I think we should publish the post and If x3mboy does translate, then we can link them to post.
13:53:52 <jwf> Where would his translations go?
13:54:12 <bee_> as an etherpad link in the original post?
13:54:23 <bee_> read spanish translations here..
13:55:24 <jwf> That could work, but it's not a great experience for a reader to go from a pretty post with pictures to a text-based pad that they can also modify and delete. I'm also unsure if someone would take the opportunity to delete everything there since we're publishing this out to the world too.
13:55:37 <jwf> I think it might be better to start a discussion on how to localize content first, and where we put it
13:55:51 <bee_> jwf I see, sure :)
13:56:02 <jwf> This might be a more relevant discussion for CommOps too, to talk about how to support localized content
13:56:07 * jwf nods
13:56:14 <jwf> Okay, going to close the ticket and we can move to the next.
13:56:31 <bee_> also, I am not sure how much of commblog readers are not comfortable with english
13:58:35 <bee_> can we discuss the ticket about team goals next?
13:58:44 <jwf> #info === Ticket #48: "Diversity Team Goals - From Jan, 2018 to Jan, 2019" ===
13:58:51 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/48
13:58:52 <bee_> :))
13:59:11 <jwf> I'm a few hundred emails behind on our Pagure :P
13:59:20 <jwf> Someone may have to catch me up on where we are with this one
14:02:04 <jwf> Amita, bee_, jonatoni|m?
14:02:10 <bee_> Mainly we want to understand what tasks we want to do over upcming year so that we can have an idea about resources, budget, bandwidth etc
14:02:28 <jonatoni|m> AFAIK we need to finalize our team goals, by the end of march, what will be our focus
14:03:00 <bee_> Apart from the initiatives we had last year, what new things can we do? They were some new ideas from FLOCK and FAD discussion
14:03:00 <jonatoni|m> ah yeah, Bee replied too :P
14:03:09 * jwf nods
14:03:13 <jwf> Do we have a list somewhere already?
14:03:26 <Rhea> I see a lot more words that won't produce actions in 2018 goals.
14:03:40 <jonatoni|m> the list is at the ticket
14:03:43 <bee_> jwf FAD ticket or etherpad
14:03:46 <jonatoni|m> in the beginning
14:04:02 <Rhea> I would say Pull back on the new events and new activities, and focus on improving what needs improving...
14:04:24 <jwf> jonatoni|m: I wasn't sure if the list at the top of #48 was still accurate
14:04:33 <jwf> bee_: Do you have a #link to the Etherpad?
14:04:38 <x3mboy> .hello2
14:04:39 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
14:04:39 <jonatoni|m> Rhea: what do you propose, what actions?
14:05:02 <x3mboy> I will do the translation this afternoon
14:05:07 <jonatoni|m> https://etherpad.persephone.cloud/p/diversity-fad-2018
14:05:11 <Rhea> Ticket 48 has a list of goals in the top post, I would like to remove and forget the 5th point alltogether, and vastly expand the 2nd point.
14:05:14 <bee_> jwf let's   decide 1.   Primary and secondary goals (what do we want to accomplish?)   2.  Anticipated impact of our meeting (to justify using Fedora's diversity budget)    3. Logistics (timeline/resources)
14:05:19 <Rhea> 5th point being "at least one more new diversity event...."
14:05:21 <jonatoni|m> Bee, this one?
14:05:31 <bee_> #link https://etherpad.persephone.cloud/p/diversity-fad-2018
14:05:38 <bee_> jonatoni yes :)
14:06:01 <jwf> x3mboy: Scroll up a bit, I think we're going to hold off on translating until we know how we can handle localized content. Thanks for your enthusiasm though. :-)
14:06:06 <jwf> #chair x3mboy
14:06:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita bee2502 bee_ jonatoni jonatoni|m jwf x3mboy
14:06:22 <jwf> jonatoni|m: Thanks for the link, looking
14:06:55 <bee_> Rhea. I agree that event inclusion should be one of our primary goals
14:07:18 <bee_> x3mboy great podcast! less on your plate now hopefully :)
14:09:15 <bee_> I was thinking that 1. inclusive events in fedora and 2. fedora womens days should be our primary goals
14:09:31 <jwf> I'm thinking we can do 0 and 1 offline. I think 3, 4, and 5 are good targets. For 2, I think it needs to be better defined.
14:10:09 <jwf> I like the idea of engaging with CHAOSS too
14:10:43 <jwf> #info Need to establish three things:
14:10:49 <bee_> jwf I dont see 0,1 as goals for the year.. mainly tasks
14:10:55 <jwf> #info (1) Primary vs. secondary goals (what do we want to accomplish?)
14:11:04 <jwf> #info (2) Anticipated impact of accomplish these goals
14:11:12 <jwf> #info (3) Logistics (timeline / resources)
14:11:19 <jwf> bee_: Ah, got it – agreed
14:12:06 <bee_> jwf can you open an etherpad for this?
14:12:23 <jwf> bee_: For what, sorry?
14:12:33 <jwf> Different from the FAD Etherpad?
14:12:54 <jonatoni|m> why not use the same one
14:12:57 <x3mboy> bee_, yes, thanks for being up-to-date
14:13:24 <jonatoni|m> we will get lost if we use a lot of different pads
14:13:39 <bee_> we can create a subsection in FAD one
14:13:56 <jonatoni|m> +1
14:13:58 <jwf> I could take an action item to work on a draft of goals and impact for next Friday
14:14:06 <jwf> And then review then
14:14:22 <jwf> I have a hard stop in 15 minutes today too, I have a work meeting right after this.
14:15:35 <bee_> okay, then.. I want to discuss the obvoarding ticket before everyone leaves
14:15:48 <bee_> and also wiki gardening
14:16:02 <jwf> Not sure if we can cover both before meeting end – is one more important?
14:16:11 <bee_> wiki
14:16:41 <jwf> #action jwf Prepare draft of primary / secondary goals, impact from larger pad of team goals, prepare in format for a potential FAD proposal
14:16:43 <Rhea> I need to order the stickers within a week https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/59
14:16:46 <jwf> #undo
14:16:46 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jwf at 14:16:41 : jwf Prepare draft of primary / secondary goals, impact from larger pad of team goals, prepare in format for a potential FAD proposal
14:16:57 <jwf> #action jwf Prepare draft of primary / secondary goals, impact from larger pad of team goals, prepare in format for a potential FAD proposal (due: 2018-03-23)
14:17:37 <jwf> Rhea: Oh, I missed this ticket, will tag as meeting
14:18:23 <jwf> #info === Ticket #24: "Wiki gardening" ===
14:18:28 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/24
14:18:39 <x3mboy> Sorry, I'm between meetings
14:18:48 <x3mboy> But I'm here, ping me if needed
14:18:59 <bee_> I have proposed introducing two new sections on wiki
14:19:05 <bee_> and removing contacts list
14:19:22 <bee_> if everyone is okay, we can change it and have updated wiki ported to docs
14:19:34 <jwf> bee_: The new sections sound good to me
14:19:48 <jwf> We can work it into the wiki for now, and later, when we move to docs, we can port the content
14:19:49 <bee_> jonatoni x3mboy Rhea
14:19:56 <jwf> so, +1 from me
14:20:11 <bee_> x3mboy will port it sometime soon and hopefully I can help.
14:20:34 <jwf> We should probably file a new ticket for the migration work too, so we can keep tabs on what's happening. :-)
14:20:52 <jwf> Let's try to make a quick vote so we can get to one last ticket
14:20:53 <jwf> #chair
14:20:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita bee2502 bee_ jonatoni jonatoni|m jwf x3mboy
14:20:55 <jwf> ^^^
14:21:05 <x3mboy> +1 from me too
14:21:08 <bee_> jwf if it's not ported by next meeting we can file a new ticket for migration
14:21:10 <jonatoni|m> sorry bee_ I haven't checked your comment
14:21:13 <jonatoni|m> need to see the ticket
14:21:25 <jwf> jonatoni|m: https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/24#comment-499296
14:21:36 <bee_> +1
14:21:39 <jwf> bee_: I think it will take longer than a week to migrate them
14:21:39 <x3mboy> I propose this idea to bee_: Having a tree with diversity docs, having the main page as "About Diversity" and bellow that, the other documents
14:22:02 <bee_> jwf ^
14:22:04 <x3mboy> To have an structure similar to the one from CommOps
14:22:32 <jwf> x3mboy: I think it makes sense, but I think we should organize this discussion outside of a meeting. I'll file a ticket for this and we can discuss asynchronously there.
14:24:14 <x3mboy> jwf +1
14:25:09 <jwf> x3mboy: We can follow-up here. https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/61
14:25:51 <jwf> I think we're going to have to vote in tickets if we want consensus since we're nearing the end of our meeting
14:26:07 <jwf> I'm going to switch us to open floor and set some action items to cast votes in tickets
14:26:10 <jwf> #topic Open floor
14:26:40 <jonatoni|m> yeah it's better to vote in tickets, so we can have feedback even from the others that are not here
14:26:50 <jwf> #action jwf Amita bee2502 bee_ jonatoni Rhea x3mboy Cast vote for proposed wiki page restructuring in #24: https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/24#comment-499296
14:27:15 <jwf> #action jwf Amita bee2502 bee_ jonatoni x3mboy Cast vote for sticker request from Rhea in #59: https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/59
14:27:17 <bee_> then lets vote on tickets with open for voting tag with next meeting as deadline
14:27:42 <jonatoni|m> agree
14:27:44 <jwf> Ah, okay, I missed that tag
14:27:45 <x3mboy> Since I bring the Podcast topic to the ML, I like to know how we can proceed with this
14:28:12 <bee_> x3mboy maybe a ticket ? :P
14:28:16 <jwf> x3mboy: Were you looking for a candidate to interview?
14:28:29 <jonatoni|m> hahaha bee_ I was going to right the same :P
14:28:56 <jwf> x3mboy: Since we had some of the discussion in the IRC channel after you posted to the mailing list, maybe a ticket is better to organize our thoughts
14:29:08 <jwf> x3mboy: I thought it would be more straightforward – sorry to put you through the run-around
14:29:13 <jwf> I know that's annoying :P
14:29:37 <x3mboy> jwf, no, That works perfectly for me. It helps me to keep track of the anwers, better than email
14:29:40 <jwf> Anything else we want to cover before our meeting time expires?
14:29:45 <jwf> x3mboy: Then all the better. :-)
14:29:50 <jonatoni|m> jwf I think you have a meeting now, in a few seconds :P
14:29:53 <jwf> Open floor, going once…
14:29:56 <jwf> jonatoni|m: Yes :D
14:30:05 <jwf> Going twice…
14:30:15 <jwf> And thrice…
14:30:20 <jonatoni|m> thanks for chairing jwf :)
14:30:23 <jwf> Thanks everyone for coming out today!
14:30:27 <jwf> See you around next time.
14:30:29 <jwf> #endmeeting