17:01:57 <roshi> #startmeeting cloud sig 17:01:58 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 9 17:01:57 2015 UTC. The chair is roshi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:58 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:02:09 <roshi> #meetingname Cloud WG 17:02:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_wg' 17:02:12 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe 17:02:13 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com> 17:02:15 <roshi> #topic roll call 17:02:21 <rtnpro> .fas rtnpro 17:02:22 <zodbot> rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' <rtnpro@gmail.com> 17:02:23 <roshi> who's around? 17:02:27 <roshi> .hello roshi 17:02:28 <zodbot> roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' <mruckman@redhat.com> 17:02:30 <rtnpro> roshi, o/ 17:02:35 <roshi> \o 17:02:48 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal 17:02:49 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <kushaldas@gmail.com> 17:02:57 <linux-modder> .hello corey84 17:02:58 <zodbot> linux-modder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com> 17:03:10 * linux-modder hanging out back row learning 17:04:26 <roshi> best way to learn is to do :p 17:04:26 <dustymabe> linux-modder: welcome 17:04:33 <roshi> so welcome :) 17:04:46 <roshi> #topic Previous Meeting Follow-up 17:04:53 <roshi> * number80 update PRD about i686 17:04:53 <roshi> * rtnpro sayan kushal will work to create testcases and try out NM and networkd, docs on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Network-Requirements 17:04:56 <roshi> * adimania will replace yum with dnf for f22 branch, and report back (for Fedora dockerfiles) 17:04:59 <roshi> * scollier will break up https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/84 into consumable tickets. 17:05:02 <roshi> * kushal will test and update the rel-eng ticket with the latest tree 17:05:12 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury 17:05:13 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com> 17:05:43 <kushal> No work was done in both the action items, I need to re add the both again this week 17:05:43 * roshi checks the PRD 17:06:15 <rtnpro> yes, no update on the above from my side as well :\ 17:06:17 <roshi> #chair dustymabe rtnpro sayan kushal linux-modder 17:06:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe kushal linux-modder roshi rtnpro sayan 17:06:31 <roshi> go ahead and re-action yourselves then so we can keep track 17:06:48 <roshi> would it be better if I set us on on phab to keep track of these tickets? 17:07:05 <roshi> it's got a kanban style board, ticket tracking, docs, projects, etc 17:07:09 <roshi> pretty useful 17:07:21 <scollier> hi 17:07:27 <roshi> qa uses it for a lot, and it's where I have the tickets and whatnot for testcloud 17:07:32 <roshi> welcome scollier :) 17:08:33 <dustymabe> roshi: in addition to trac? 17:08:36 <dustymabe> or to replace? 17:08:45 <dustymabe> I think I'd like to have one or the other but not both 17:08:46 <roshi> doesn't look like the PRD got updated 17:08:48 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion 17:08:49 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com> 17:08:55 <maxamillion> (sorry I'm late) 17:08:59 <roshi> either or, depends on what people like using, I guess 17:09:16 <roshi> if we're reviewing code and whatnot for tools in addition to other tickets, I think phab wins 17:09:19 <roshi> tbh 17:09:20 <roshi> just a though 17:09:20 <jbrooks> .hello jasonbrooks 17:09:21 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM> 17:09:24 <roshi> thought, even 17:09:31 <roshi> no worries maxamillion 17:10:02 <kushal> #action rtnpro sayan kushal will work to create testcases and try out NM and networkd, docs on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Network-Requirements 17:10:20 <kushal> #action kushal will test and update the rel-eng ticket with the latest tree 17:11:13 <roshi> scollier: any action on your action item? 17:11:27 * scollier checks. 17:12:44 <scollier> roshi, that was the breaking up of one ticket into many, right? 17:12:52 <scollier> if so, no actions. i'll try to get on that this week. 17:13:21 <roshi> yeah, it was 17:13:23 <roshi> no worries 17:13:39 <roshi> #action scollier will break up https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/84 into consumable tickets. 17:13:51 <scollier> roshi, thanks. 17:13:59 <adimania> sorry for being late. 17:14:06 <roshi> #action number80 to update the PRD with i686 details 17:14:09 <roshi> no worries :) 17:14:19 <roshi> onto the tickets! 17:14:37 * number80 around 17:14:42 <roshi> #topic (105) Missing cockpit rpms 17:14:46 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/105 17:15:44 <jbrooks> roshi, that's still the current status -- I keep getting sidetracked when I look for an appropriate spot on the wiki to put the content of my blog post 17:16:05 <roshi> jbrooks: all else fails, just put it under the cloud namespace 17:16:35 <roshi> something like .../wiki/Cloud/Tutorials/Cockpit-in-a-container 17:16:43 <roshi> it can always be moved later 17:16:51 <jbrooks> +1 thanks, I'll do it there 17:16:58 <roshi> sweet 17:17:14 <roshi> the wiki is a free space, so can't really go wrong just throwing it somewhere :p 17:17:20 <jbrooks> :) 17:17:34 <roshi> #action jbrooks to update the wiki 17:17:46 <roshi> #topic (14) Network stack 17:17:51 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/14 17:18:31 <roshi> still no real action on this one 17:18:32 <kushal> roshi, we will work on it, no updates for now 17:18:39 <roshi> kk 17:18:49 <roshi> and this is already covered under an action item... 17:18:53 <roshi> so moving on 17:19:21 <roshi> I'll also skip dockerfiles care and feeding, since that's been mentioned already 17:19:39 <roshi> #topic (94) Updated images 17:19:42 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/94 17:20:03 <roshi> kushal: waiting on you for this one too it seems 17:20:27 <kushal> roshi, we will work on it, no updates for last week, spent most of the time on autocloud 17:20:39 <roshi> kk 17:20:40 <kushal> roshi, I will ping dgilmore with the updated details 17:20:43 <kushal> this week only 17:20:48 <linux-modder> on this one pls add me to any updates I am looking to do some local uni cloud tuts this semester to help some professors 17:20:49 <roshi> ok 17:20:56 <jbrooks> roshi, is that this: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/fedora-atomic/images/testing/cloud/ 17:21:03 <jbrooks> the updated images 17:21:09 <roshi> dunno 17:21:13 <roshi> don't think so 17:21:21 <roshi> I'd think they'd live on koji 17:21:26 <linux-modder> should be pub/atomic not alt/ 17:21:35 <kushal> should on alt 17:21:40 <kushal> I will update with the links 17:21:45 <roshi> thanks kushal 17:21:50 <jbrooks> Oh, and there's atomic vs cloud 17:21:56 <kushal> as we will test the release trees 17:21:57 <roshi> #action kushal to update ticket with links 17:22:03 <linux-modder> then I need a post mtg primer on the diff 17:22:20 <linux-modder> and base cloud 17:22:32 <roshi> linux-modder: I can help you out with that after the meeting in fedora-cloud 17:23:09 <linux-modder> local uni looking to do cloud VM ing for linux stuffs this semester as a pilot thing 17:23:34 <roshi> #topic (106) 32bit Cloud 17:23:40 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/106 17:24:09 <roshi> proposed #agreed - roshi to close this ticket as it seems to be resolved. Retiring this arch for cloud in F24 timeframe 17:24:21 <linux-modder> for the cloud instance that seems sane 17:24:24 <linux-modder> ack 17:24:53 <dustymabe> ack 17:25:35 <roshi> #agreed - roshi to close this ticket as it seems to be resolved. Retiring this arch for cloud in F24 timeframe. 17:25:57 <roshi> #topic (107) PRD Discussion 17:26:00 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/106 17:26:06 <roshi> #undo 17:26:06 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x23090bd0> 17:26:10 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/107 17:26:11 <linux-modder> PRD is ? 17:26:24 <roshi> Product Requirements Document 17:26:29 <linux-modder> ah 17:26:40 <roshi> each WG has to have one for what they want to do for the .next effort 17:26:47 <roshi> this is an ongoing discussion 17:27:01 <roshi> number80 is going to update it with info on i386 stuff 17:27:25 <roshi> we still need people to go through it with a fine toothed comb and make sure it has everything it needs 17:27:29 <number80> roshi: now, I have now definitivey abandoned the idea of getting dinner tonight 17:27:44 * roshi isn't sure where it is with the council 17:27:58 <number80> council + fesco for technical stuff 17:28:03 <roshi> number80: it's not worth you missing out on life essentials - go get some food :p 17:28:25 <number80> roshi: nah, I have a mountain load of stuff blocking me at home anyway 17:28:40 <roshi> ok, that's your call though :) 17:28:43 <number80> if I'm not doing that, it will be something else 17:29:20 <roshi> #action everyone to take some time to look at the PRD and come back with comments 17:30:09 <jbrooks> roshi, the PRD is linked from the ticket? 17:30:13 <roshi> #topic (108) Text for getfedora.org and Marketing 17:30:16 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/108 17:30:25 <roshi> jbrooks: I think so 17:30:35 <jbrooks> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Cloud/Cloud_PRD 17:30:53 <kushal> brb changing network 17:30:54 <roshi> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_PRD is the PRD 17:30:55 <jbrooks> Oh, I see, now 17:31:03 <kushal> or actually this network works 17:31:39 * number80 fixed the 32 bit thing 17:31:52 <number80> quick win, I feel better (still proof-reading) 17:32:28 <roshi> nice 17:32:39 <linux-modder> can help if needed number80 17:32:43 <roshi> so, everyone go to getfedora.org and check the text they currently have there for cloud 17:33:10 <roshi> per comment #7 on this marketing ticket 17:34:39 <adimania> I would want it in slightly positive tone. 17:34:55 <roshi> it all looks good to me, the copy on getfedora.org 17:35:00 <adimania> instead of saying "nothing more", maybe we can say really light weight. 17:35:17 <roshi> adimania: you can submit a patch 17:35:37 <roshi> talk to robyduck in #fedora-mktg and he can help you find out the specifics 17:36:10 <linux-modder> +1 for s/nothing more/lightweight 17:36:33 <adimania> roshi, would it not be better if WG decides on this first? 17:37:12 <adimania> may be someone could come up with something better or may have objection to this statement. 17:37:31 <dustymabe> adimania: I would say make your changes and submit it in email to the list 17:37:33 <roshi> I figured we could review in the patch 17:37:49 <dustymabe> if you get no comments or postive comments then submit 17:37:53 <roshi> yeah 17:37:57 <linux-modder> makes sense 17:38:01 <adimania> sounds good to me. I will do that. 17:38:04 <dustymabe> adimania: thanks! 17:38:12 <roshi> thanks adimania :) 17:38:36 <adimania> no problem. 17:39:08 <roshi> #action adimania to write a patch for getfedora.org copy and submit to the list 17:39:23 <roshi> #topic (113) Firewall on by default 17:39:28 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/113 17:40:09 <roshi> I think this can be closed as well 17:40:16 <dustymabe> roshi: I think we talked about it and decided it was expected 17:40:29 <roshi> dustymabe: we should probably let places like DO to make sure they know to turn it on 17:40:33 <roshi> unless they don't want it on 17:41:01 <linux-modder> not sure i follow the issue on this one the OP is worried its un-configured? 17:41:04 <dustymabe> roshi: yep 17:41:13 <dustymabe> linux-modder: yeah I was the OP 17:41:20 <roshi> linux-modder: cloud ships w/o a firewall by default 17:41:23 <dustymabe> I just thought it was supposed to be on by default 17:41:38 <roshi> but places like DO don't have the same external networking that EC2 and friends have 17:41:44 <linux-modder> I assume it uses the current host network as a de-facto then? 17:41:52 <roshi> proposed #agreed - roshi to close this ticket as resolved. 17:41:54 <dustymabe> roshi: yeah. and the next image we give them will have this fixed 17:42:00 <roshi> sweet 17:42:52 <roshi> acks? 17:43:05 <dustymabe> ack 17:43:09 <linux-modder> dustymabe, so it will take the host config by default then (even in cases like DO with non standard ones) ? 17:43:41 <roshi> linux-modder: EC2 handles all the networking ports and IPs that can get to an instance 17:43:42 <dustymabe> linux-modder: not sure what you mean.. by default the iptables service doesn't get run 17:43:50 <roshi> so there's no reason to have a firewall in that context 17:43:58 <linux-modder> ack tehn 17:44:11 <roshi> #agreed - roshi to close this ticket as resolved. 17:44:50 <roshi> #topic (115) Cloud FAD 17:44:54 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/115 17:45:00 <roshi> dustymabe: got anything for us? 17:45:11 <dustymabe> roshi: not yet. going to try to make a proposal soon 17:45:17 <dustymabe> sorry about the delay on that one 17:45:21 <roshi> sgtm 17:45:23 <roshi> no worries 17:45:29 <dustymabe> i've been riddled with PTO and Holidays :) 17:45:38 <dustymabe> and $dayjob 17:45:47 <roshi> the way I see it: the FAD is a "nice to have" not a "unbreak this now!" kinda thing 17:46:03 <linux-modder> this FAD would be similar to test-day yes? 17:46:21 <roshi> kinda, it's an in person thing we all go to to work together on stuff 17:46:41 <dustymabe> kinda like a little mini conference 17:46:46 <linux-modder> nice 17:47:23 <roshi> #info dustymabe will be working on the proposal for this sometime in the near future and will update the ticket when that happens 17:47:34 <dustymabe> ack 17:47:38 <roshi> #topic (116) Vagrant boxes in Atlas 17:47:41 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/116 17:48:13 <dustymabe> roshi: there was some activity on this.. we are looking at uploading cloud images to atlas 17:48:16 <jbrooks> I added the current fedora atomic images to the fedora namespace 17:48:25 <dustymabe> someone raised a good point about legal so we might need to go through them 17:48:42 <roshi> best to check with legal early 17:48:44 <jbrooks> I guess -- all it does is point to our server 17:48:54 <roshi> who's chasing that down, the legal bits? 17:49:22 <dustymabe> roshi: lalatenduM created the fedora namespace. I think I will need to go retrace his steps and see if there were any terms he agreed to 17:49:23 <maxamillion> for those of us who aren't familiar ... what is Atlas? 17:49:38 <jbrooks> It's like docker hub for vagrant 17:49:41 <dustymabe> kinda like dockerhub for vagrant boxes 17:49:42 <roshi> it's what holds the world up, aiui 17:49:48 <maxamillion> (I would have thought it would be in the ticket but it is not) 17:49:48 <maxamillion> ah ok 17:50:20 <maxamillion> I don't know because I hate vagrant and want it to fade into obscurity, but was curious for the sake of this conversation 17:50:27 * dustymabe remembers maxamillion not liking ruby :) 17:50:37 <maxamillion> dustymabe: oh no, I like ruby just fine 17:50:42 <maxamillion> dustymabe: I hate vagrant 17:50:42 * roshi has never used it past a smoke test a couple years back 17:50:43 * jbrooks used to hate vagrant, before it got w/ libvirt 17:51:02 <dustymabe> jbrooks: agreed 17:51:11 <dustymabe> I never wanted to use it before that 17:51:14 <roshi> ok, so any actions needed for this? 17:51:22 <dustymabe> roshi: no I don't think so 17:51:27 <roshi> ok, moving on then 17:51:28 <dustymabe> I think we know what needs to get done 17:51:36 <roshi> don't want to raise maxamillion' 17:51:41 <jbrooks> roshi, I do have a related q, though 17:51:41 <maxamillion> :) 17:51:44 <roshi> s ire any more than it already is 17:51:53 <roshi> go for it jbrooks 17:52:07 <jbrooks> I mentioned in the issue that the testing atomic images, the two week images, are the same as the official image w/ all updates applied 17:52:30 <jbrooks> We don't have officially updated images, but these two week images are updated 17:52:32 <roshi> jbrooks: I would think that's the intent 17:52:50 <roshi> downloading the 2-week image just means you don't have to boot, then update 17:52:52 <jbrooks> I guess, at what point are these considered non-testing 17:52:55 <roshi> it's already updated 17:53:09 <roshi> not sure - as I don't follow atomic well at all 17:53:25 <jbrooks> Because, yeah, I'd much rather start w/ the updated image, but we don't want to give ppl testing images and call them official 17:53:27 <roshi> dustymabe: ^^ ? 17:53:39 <dustymabe> jbrooks: I think we should wait 2 week atomic is official? 17:53:56 <jbrooks> Even if the pkgs there equal the official image + updates 17:54:03 <number80> may I suggest a daring move? 17:54:04 <jbrooks> dustymabe, I'll follow up w/ you 17:54:09 <maxamillion> number80: go for it 17:54:12 <dustymabe> ok 17:54:25 <number80> having atomic folks joining our meeting every 2 weeks? 17:54:33 <number80> I feel like we're two separate group 17:54:41 <number80> which is wrong 17:55:00 <maxamillion> number80: +1 17:55:04 <jbrooks> Fine w/ me, though the group just voted to make atomic the primary focus, right? 17:55:08 * maxamillion has to run, thanks everyone 17:55:13 <dustymabe> number80: who all is that cgwalters and who else? 17:55:19 <jbrooks> me 17:55:21 <dustymabe> jbrooks: right 17:55:31 <number80> jbrooks: yes 17:55:50 <dustymabe> ok. so we have some of them :) 17:56:10 <number80> #action number80 make proposal on cloud & atomic list to have joint meetings 17:56:16 * jbrooks doesn't understand why there isn't a plain core minimal fedora image 17:56:35 <number80> jbrooks: you don't want to unravel that one 17:56:44 <roshi> jbrooks: it's turtles all the way down 17:56:49 <jbrooks> number80, I'm fine leaving it ravelled :) 17:56:53 <jbrooks> if that's a word 17:56:55 <number80> :) 17:56:57 <roshi> works for me 17:57:04 <roshi> words like that keep me plenty gruntled 17:57:20 <roshi> ok, moving on :) 17:57:28 <number80> +2 17:57:36 <roshi> #topic (118) Deliverables 17:57:39 <roshi> #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/118 17:57:49 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/ReleaseBlocking/Fedora23 17:57:56 <roshi> I updated the wiki with our list ^^ 17:58:00 <roshi> check it out 17:58:26 <roshi> +1 if you want to confirm that list and I'll update the "Signed off by" line and close the ticket 17:58:31 <roshi> and we can be done with it 17:58:38 <roshi> and close out the meeting, as we're running out of time 17:59:35 <roshi> votes? 18:00:02 <dustymabe> I voted in the ticket? 18:00:09 <dustymabe> is that good enough? 18:00:31 <roshi> I mean with what I put in the wiki 18:00:57 <kushal> roshi, just now voted. 18:01:22 <dustymabe> yep. looked at that too 18:01:30 <roshi> heh 18:01:39 <roshi> I meant to just say it here in the meeting 18:02:03 <roshi> #action roshi to update the wiki that things are signed off, and close the ticket. 18:02:08 <roshi> #topic Open Floor 18:02:16 <roshi> anybody have anything for open floor? 18:02:25 <dustymabe> did we get to all tickets? 18:02:25 <roshi> we're over time, so setting the fuse... 18:02:27 <roshi> 2... 18:02:28 <roshi> we did 18:02:31 <dustymabe> ok cool 18:02:34 <dustymabe> thanks roshi 18:02:43 <linux-modder> not sure on status of the HAM spin for 23 but other spins look good on that roshi and everything seems linked right 18:03:21 <roshi> 2... 18:03:31 <roshi> thanks for coming folks! 18:03:34 <roshi> 1... 18:03:38 <roshi> #endmeeting