#fedora-meeting-1: future-of-release-names

Meeting summary

1. roll call (jreznik, 17:02:22)
   1. EvilBob Sparks N3LRX rbergeron sagitter MarkDude rrix mizmo_ smooge heavensmile_ brunowolff present (jreznik, 17:05:17)
   2. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names (jreznik, 17:09:26)
   
   
2. the poll https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/poll-rel-names (jreznik, 17:13:53)
   1. people clearly want to keep names (a conclusion from the poll) (jreznik, 17:23:16)
   2. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2424094/Jono%20Cm.jpg funny names got Fedora to the forefront of Ubuntu- thats Jono Bacon saluting the Beefy Miracle in costume (MarkDude, 17:37:19)
   
   
3. Pros and cons of the current naming process (gholms, 17:45:34)
   1. con: difficult to come up with a name that follows the "is a" rules (gholms, 17:46:06)
   2. con: reading the names of releases in a list, they are all over the place and pretty weird (gholms, 17:46:33)
   3. pro: has a good history and legacy in the project (gholms, 17:46:39)
   4. con: Naming costs Redhat legal time (gholms, 17:46:52)
   5. con: the people who were involved in the original history of the naming process have completely disengaged and admitted its gone to far (gholms, 17:47:20)
   6. pro: it's fun and makes people participants of release naming process (gholms, 17:47:33)
   7. pro: can be a good way to engage new contributors (gholms, 17:47:39)
   8. con: Naming costs time of people needed to run election (gholms, 17:47:46)
   9. con: making fedora's name into a joke makes people think that fedora is a joke (mizmo, 17:48:13)
   10. con: its an easy way to off-put new contributors when the opaque 'is a' process stumps them and their contrbution is rejected (gholms, 17:48:31)
   11. con: the pool of names that would likely pass legal muster is ever-shrinking - everyone seems to have a business with an apple app with names (rbergeron, 17:48:35)
   12. pro: its a start of a talk with others- we vote on silly names- that opens up to talk of serious votes- like boards- and real VOICE. It's a foot in the door. (gholms, 17:49:04)
   13. Can be used for theming (gholms, 17:49:22)
   14. potential new contribs are excited at having input on names - and not being told everything (MarkDude, 17:49:37)
   15. con: names like 'sulphur' can't be used for theming (mizmo, 17:50:00)
   16. con: release name can offend people from different cultures/sense of humor etc. (jreznik, 17:52:40)
   17. con taking away my VOICE is not good mojo (MarkDude, 17:54:09)
   18. IDEA: Collect proposals of alternative release-naming schemes (gholms, 17:55:57)
   19. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Suggestions_for_Fedora_Codename_Theme (mizmo, 17:56:06)
   20. Current policy is that the design team may use the release name as inspiration, but is not required to do so (gholms, 18:01:33)
   21. - it is IMPOSSIBLE to make 100% of people happy- it CANT be done (MarkDude, 18:03:35)
   22. IDEA: Change range voting from 0..N to -N/2..N/2, default to 0 (gholms, 18:03:59)
   23. Elealnor Roosevelt- No one can make you feel inferior- --- without yourslef (MarkDude, 18:04:55)
   24. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Suggestions_for_Fedora_Codename_Theme <= some real work and research was put into this, could we not get something productive from this? (mizmo, 18:06:50)
   25. IDEA: Ask the board to ponder this list of pros and cons (gholms, 18:17:53)
   26. IDEA: Names with more relation to Fedora's foundations (gholms, 18:20:25)
   27. prepare aganda for next meeting based on Board and ml discussion (jreznik, 18:26:47)

Action items

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2. jreznik (92)
3. mizmo (88)
4. Sparks (65)
5. EvilBob (59)
6. rdieter (41)
7. inode0 (35)
8. gholms (31)
9. rbergeron (27)
10. brunowolff (20)
11. pjones (20)
12. sekhmet (18)
13. mizmo_ (13)
14. heavensmile_ (12)
15. jsmith (10)
16. smooge (8)
17. N3LRX (7)
18. zodbot (6)
19. bcotton (6)
20. thm (6)
21. jwb (6)
22. misc (5)
23. spevack_ (4)
24. chuckf (4)
25. sagitter (1)
26. rrix (1)
27. vwbusguy (1)
28. sreich (1)