20:06:52 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors 2012-05-09
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20:07:36 <cwickert> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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20:07:44 <cwickert> #topic roll call
20:07:49 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:07:50 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:07:53 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:07:58 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:08:02 <Sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:08:03 <zodbot> Sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:08:06 <giallu> .fas giallu
20:08:08 <zodbot> giallu: giallu 'Gianluca Sforna' <giallu@gmail.com>
20:08:23 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
20:08:23 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
20:09:34 <cwickert> that's all?
20:09:56 <gnokii> always the same
20:09:59 <thunderbirdtr> seems so...
20:10:05 <cwickert> no, it's getting worse
20:11:01 <cwickert> I wonder what has happened
20:11:07 <cwickert> we have lost so many people
20:11:18 <giallu> cwickert, how many used to oin meetings?
20:11:27 <cwickert> 10-15
20:11:33 <cwickert> at least, sometimes more
20:11:43 <t2hot> .fas t2hot
20:11:44 <zodbot> t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@gmail.com>
20:12:51 * cwickert has pinged some more people
20:13:11 <dmaphy> good evening
20:13:27 <cwickert> #toipc Announcements
20:13:39 <ib54003> hi
20:13:45 <cwickert> #info FUDCon APAC ahead
20:13:54 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, topic not toipc ?
20:14:01 <cwickert> thanks
20:14:05 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:14:49 <cwickert> #info Last call for LinuxTag. If you want to attend LinuxTag Berlin and need a hotel, get in touch with cwickert ASAP
20:14:58 <cwickert> any other announcements?
20:15:13 <gnokii> cwickert Froscon
20:15:30 <cwickert> gnokii: this is not an annoucement
20:15:44 <cwickert> this will be covered under "events"
20:16:01 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:16:34 <cwickert> as you can see we are in the F17 launch phase now
20:16:46 <cwickert> not really, but close
20:17:04 <cwickert> Sesivany: what does QA say? is 22nd realistic?
20:17:26 <Sesivany> cwickert: Adam says 50:50.
20:17:47 * giallu seen a couple of scary bugs
20:17:57 <Sesivany> told me to count with delay.
20:18:21 <cwickert> #info Fedora 17 might be delayed by another week. we need to be prepared
20:18:30 <cwickert> gnokii: what about artwork?
20:18:37 <cwickert> is the media artwork ready?
20:19:18 <gnokii> Alexander put the src on his space last week, so I can work on it this week, will finish something until friday
20:19:35 <gnokii> the media artwork is on his way wait I show u
20:19:47 <cwickert> what is left to do?
20:19:54 <t2hot> not much
20:20:13 <thunderbirdtr_> updating wiki ? for adding new designs ?
20:20:15 <gnokii> http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora17/media-artwork/Fedora-17-installationmedia-32-2.png
20:20:38 <cwickert> gnokii: ?
20:20:47 <t2hot> cwickert: see Url
20:21:08 <cwickert> that does not really tell me what is left to do
20:21:22 <cwickert> is there anything wrong with this design?
20:21:32 <t2hot> its now a case of finetuning and multiplication
20:21:47 <t2hot> that's 32bits only
20:21:50 <cwickert> gnokii: I was asking you
20:21:57 * jreznik is here too, just a little bit silent (my dog wants to play) - just a note :)
20:22:16 <cwickert> jreznik, Sesivany: please respond to my email about hotel ASAP
20:22:27 <gnokii> cwickert: as I said, is on his way, its fine tuned and Alexander makes the rest now
20:23:03 <cwickert> gnokii: as we have agreed on doing the install dvd biarch, can you make sure we have the correct artwork?
20:23:19 <cwickert> it needs to read "32+64 bit" just like the live media
20:23:28 <gnokii> cwickert: yes, that I will tell him
20:23:32 <cwickert> shouldn't be a big deal
20:23:37 <cwickert> I could to this myself
20:23:50 <cwickert> Sesivany: do we have exact specifications from the vendor?
20:24:08 <cwickert> like, how much border around the image etc
20:24:22 <Sesivany> cwickert: yes, i will give them to Alexander.
20:24:44 <cwickert> #action Sesivany to give Alexander the specs of the media vendor
20:25:38 <cwickert> #action gnokii to work on the media artwork with Alexander. make sure we have the artwork for install media in 32+64 bit (on one DVD)
20:25:46 <cwickert> ok, anything else left to do?
20:25:55 <cwickert> gnokii: what about the release event posters?
20:25:55 <giallu> if we release on 22nd, when can realistically get the actual media?
20:26:28 <cwickert> giallu: Sesivany can start shipping 10 days later
20:26:30 <Sesivany> giallu: the production will take one week...
20:26:40 <giallu> noted. thanks
20:26:41 <gnokii> as I said, Alex put the sources out last week, until friday I will produce something
20:27:18 <cwickert> giallu: we are trying our best, hopefully the vendor can already prepare the sleeves
20:27:30 <cwickert> and we might be able to give him the media a little earlier
20:27:49 <cwickert> but still one week after the release is the minimum I think
20:28:16 <giallu> well. Images should be composed and seeded one week before release
20:28:22 <cwickert> #action cwickert to figure out how/when we can get the final images
20:28:34 <giallu> not a big dealt though
20:28:38 <cwickert> giallu: 5 days, if everything goes well
20:28:39 <Sesivany> cwickert: i cant get it to ambassadors sooner than 10 day after release.
20:28:48 <cwickert> Sesivany: ack
20:28:53 <giallu> Sesivany, ack
20:29:03 <cwickert> ok, I think that's all for schedule
20:29:14 <cwickert> #topic Events
20:29:25 <cwickert> we have LinuxTag coming up
20:29:36 <cwickert> jreznik: glad you are coming :)
20:29:55 <cwickert> dmaphy: what about you?
20:30:03 <cwickert> will you be there for Tine 2.0?
20:30:16 <cwickert> I have prepared most stuff for LinuxTag
20:30:25 <cwickert> however one thing causes me headache
20:30:33 <dmaphy> i will be there, but unfortunately not for Tine 2.0, they've missed to register a booth
20:30:38 <cwickert> I have no idea how I can get the eventbox to berlin
20:30:49 <cwickert> dmaphy: you will be there for whom?
20:31:00 <gnokii> cwickert: what u need from the box?
20:31:02 <dmaphy> I'm not sure about Xfce though, I've mailed Enrico yesterday
20:31:12 <cwickert> dmaphy: Xfce does not have a booth
20:31:17 <cwickert> we discussed that already
20:31:22 <cwickert> not sure if you were CC
20:31:28 <dmaphy> because I've vacancies for those days
20:31:33 <dmaphy> +confirmed
20:31:41 <cwickert> dmaphy: do you want to work at the Fedora booth?
20:31:45 <cwickert> we need more booth personal
20:31:59 <dmaphy> well, seems I've missed a lot of conversations while diving into work.. :(
20:32:08 <cwickert> seems so :)
20:32:24 <dmaphy> yeah, of course, i'd support Fedora then :)
20:32:38 <cwickert> then please add yourself at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxTag_2012
20:32:54 <cwickert> dmaphy: when will you arrive and leave?
20:33:43 <cwickert> dmaphy: lets have a conversation about this after the meeting
20:33:50 <cwickert> I want to book the hotel tonight
20:33:56 <dmaphy> i still have to check for the train, but i guess i will get there on wednesday and leave on saturday or sunday
20:34:04 <cwickert> dmaphy: ok
20:34:17 <cwickert> gnokii: back to your question: it's not so much the eventbox but the banners
20:34:30 <cwickert> dmaphy, gnokii: who of you has the tablecloth?
20:34:42 <dmaphy> gnokii should have them
20:34:42 <gnokii> cwickert one rollup I have
20:34:55 <gnokii> the tablecloth also
20:35:01 <dmaphy> since it was quite too short-term to send them over or do anything else with them :)
20:35:01 <cwickert> gnokii: ok, please bring both with you
20:35:06 <Sesivany> cwickert: we can bring banners and tablecloth too
20:35:08 <jreznik> we also have our own tableclooth
20:35:09 <gnokii> that was the plan
20:35:16 <cwickert> Sesivany: Fedora banners?!
20:35:24 <jreznik> rollup
20:35:28 <jreznik> by gnokii
20:35:32 <cwickert> Sesivany, jreznik: awesome, you saved us
20:35:40 <cwickert> lets discuss the details in the wiki
20:36:41 <cwickert> like, how much we need etc
20:36:41 <cwickert> as for the booth
20:36:41 <cwickert> the furniture was confirmed yesterday
20:36:41 <cwickert> we have a shared booth with CentOT
20:36:46 <cwickert> OS*
20:36:47 <cwickert> and we have a sofa suite
20:37:25 <Sesivany> cwickert: is it going tobe smaller than last year?
20:44:38 <gnokii> mmh
20:45:13 <Sesivany> cwickert left us alone
20:45:42 <cwickert1> #chair cwickert1
20:45:55 <cwickert1> uh, I cannot make myself chair
20:46:02 <gnokii> yes
20:46:03 <cwickert1> what as the last thing you heared?
20:46:09 <thunderbirdtr> nothing
20:46:12 <gnokii> <cwickert> and we have a sofa suite
20:46:14 <thunderbirdtr> just Sesivany questions
20:46:19 <cwickert1> wow
20:46:30 <thunderbirdtr> <Sesivany> cwickert: is it going tobe smaller than last year?
20:46:33 * cwickert1 must have been gone for a while
20:46:46 <cwickert1> I think last year we had one booth of 4,5 x 3 am, right?
20:46:56 <cwickert1> this is what we have this year: wiki.linuxtag.org/mediawiki/images/c/cd/LINUX12_72b_270412.pdf
20:47:07 <cwickert1> is is 6.5 m but shared with CentOS
20:47:10 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert1, get your nick now
20:47:26 <cwickert> re
20:47:37 <cwickert> k, anything else about LinuxTag?
20:47:47 <cwickert> Sesivany: more questions?
20:48:13 <Sesivany> cwickert: no
20:48:20 <cwickert> ok
20:48:25 <cwickert> I suggest we do the rest in the wiki or by mail
20:48:36 <cwickert> lets make a list of items we need and who can bring them
20:48:52 <cwickert> anything more on events?
20:49:03 <cwickert> gnokii: your turn about FrOSCon
20:49:43 <gnokii> yes, FrOSCon has called for papers 2 weeks ago, we like to do a Fedora related track again
20:50:00 <cwickert> #info cwickert has registered Fedora as project for FrOSCon but not yet requested a devroom
20:50:22 <cwickert> #info we would like to have a Fedora room again, but we need talks and workshops
20:50:36 * giallu wonders if anyone is planning to go to EuroPython Florence this July
20:50:43 <cwickert> #action cwickert to create a wiki page for FrOSCon
20:51:07 <Sesivany> giallu: we will
20:51:18 <cwickert> anybody who is probably coming to FrOSCon in August?
20:51:28 <cwickert> anybody except gnokii ;)
20:51:28 <gnokii> cwickert: would u write a mail, I think we should not ask only ambassadors for froscon
20:51:36 <cwickert> gnokii: yes
20:51:51 <cwickert> #action cwickert to call for talks and workshops for FrOSCon
20:52:14 <cwickert> giallu: tell us more about EuroPython
20:52:38 <giallu> Sesivany, I'm the the staff for EP, last year it was 700+ people coming there
20:52:51 <giallu> it would be nice to have some blue polos around
20:53:17 <giallu> and I could ask for some sapce (a table or something) if backed by someone
20:53:23 <cwickert> speaking of blue polos...
20:53:32 <cwickert> who needs polos?
20:53:33 <Sesivany> giallu: we as Red Hat are considering to become a sponsor, to have a booth there etc.
20:54:00 <cwickert> giallu: you need a polo? I can make you a good price ;)
20:54:08 <giallu> cwickert, I have 2 :)
20:54:23 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, seller is lost :))
20:54:25 <giallu> of the wrong color thoug :)
20:54:26 <cwickert> you can never have enough polos ;)
20:54:33 <gnokii> +1
20:54:44 <cwickert> gnokii: you only have one, I know it
20:54:49 <gnokii> yes
20:54:51 <cwickert> you need to order some more
20:54:55 <giallu> Sesivany, maybe talk about it again when you decided what tot do?
20:54:55 <gnokii> and I need a bigger one
20:54:58 <cwickert> hahaha
20:55:06 <cwickert> you need to loose weight ;)
20:55:15 <gnokii> ooh I lost
20:55:25 * cwickert too
20:55:28 <cwickert> ok
20:55:30 <cwickert> anyway
20:56:03 <cwickert> #info if you need a polo, request one by following the instructions at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Polo_Shirt#EMEA
20:56:12 <cwickert> anything more on events?
20:56:26 <cwickert> who is event owner of EuroPython?
20:56:33 <cwickert> giallu: are you volunteering?
20:56:43 <gnokii> !
20:57:21 <giallu> cwickert, I'm already working with the organizers
20:57:34 <cwickert> giallu: ok, can you become the coordinator for Fedora?
20:57:36 <giallu> I'll probably have one day free in the week
20:57:46 <giallu> but nothing more
20:57:54 <cwickert> ah, come on
20:57:58 <giallu> cwickert, sure. what's needed
20:58:23 <cwickert> you just need to create a wiki page and figure out the details with Sesivany and jreznik. I am sure they will support you
20:58:30 <giallu> ok. will do
20:58:56 <cwickert> #info giallu is event owner for EuroPython 2012 in Florence
20:59:07 <cwickert> #action giallu to create a wiki page for EuroPython
20:59:10 <cwickert> gnokii: your turn
20:59:31 <gnokii> its just a question for dmaphy it he knows when ORR this year will be
20:59:46 <cwickert> gnokii: november
20:59:49 <dmaphy> OpenRheinRuhr will not take place in 2012
20:59:54 <cwickert> ah, right
21:00:01 <gnokii> dmaphy: thx thats what I liked to hear
21:00:07 <cwickert> no location
21:00:07 <dmaphy> we did not get the Rheinisches Industriemuseum this year
21:00:11 * cwickert dislikes to hear that
21:00:27 <dmaphy> but we have a fix date for OpenRheinRuhr 2013 already
21:00:43 <cwickert> it's never too early to start ;)
21:00:51 <cwickert> ok, anything more on events?
21:01:07 <cwickert> shaiton_: do you have everything for Paris? do you still need swag?
21:01:07 <dmaphy> you can visit us at the Software Freedom Day in September this year in the meanwhile
21:01:46 <cwickert> nb: do we have an estimate for the things we ordered with you NA fokks?
21:01:49 <dmaphy> it will take place on the 15th of september at the technical university in Hamburg-Harburg
21:02:32 <cwickert> #info Software Freedom Day Hamburg will take place September 15th at the Technische Universität Hamburg-Harburg
21:02:40 <cwickert> anything more on events?
21:02:46 <dmaphy> seems there is noone yet, willing to support a fedora-booth
21:03:07 * dmaphy himself is busy with Tine 2.0 there for that event
21:03:43 <cwickert> dmaphy: I'll see what I can do now that I have become a fellow
21:04:04 <cwickert> I suggest to skip the release events
21:04:06 <rbergero1> cwickert: an estimate on which things?
21:04:09 <dmaphy> congratulations for the fellow! ;)
21:04:20 <rbergero1> err, do yu mean an estimate on whe nthey'll arrive, or pricing?
21:04:36 <cwickert> rbergero1: we ordered case badges and stickers and I wonder when they will be done
21:04:57 <rbergeron> Stickers are getting to us on May 21.
21:05:06 <cwickert> ok
21:05:07 <rbergeron> I'm not sure on the ETA on case badges; they just got ordered monday or tuesday.
21:05:23 <cwickert> ok, we need to figure out where/how to deliver them
21:05:41 <cwickert> we could ship them to Sesivany in the RH office in Brno I guess
21:05:49 * rbergeron nods
21:05:52 <cwickert> or to me
21:06:03 <cwickert> but kital_ is pretty busy these days
21:06:06 <Sesivany> cwickert: no problem with that
21:06:13 <cwickert> he is not involved in swag shipping that much
21:06:19 <cwickert> ok
21:06:27 <cwickert> speaking of swag shipping
21:06:34 <rbergeron> sesivany: you guys will probably get a large batch anyway from the 20k sticker shipment, i'm guessing a few k of them anyway, but I have no idea.
21:06:36 <cwickert> I have an idea, but lets discuss this later
21:06:50 <rbergeron> (We ordered 50k, 30k for fedora nad 20k for red hat to distribute internally to various offices, for everyone's FYI.)
21:07:05 <Sesivany> cwickert: id like to have some swag to include it to packages with media
21:07:08 <cwickert> rbergeron: IIRC we ordered 2k stickers and 2k case badges
21:07:13 <cwickert> Sesivany: +1
21:07:24 <cwickert> no, +10 ;)
21:07:31 <cwickert> alright, lets move on
21:07:36 <cwickert> #topic Action items from previous meetings
21:07:43 * cwickert looks
21:08:06 <cwickert> gnokii: what about "gnokii to make a release event poster and flyer template, color and b/w" ?
21:08:08 <Sesivany> rbergeron: the internal stuff for Brno will go to me too, so they can send it in one package.
21:08:21 <giallu> may I add something about stickers?
21:08:27 <cwickert> giallu: sure
21:08:29 <gnokii> cwickert: u already asked me that on the begin, this friday
21:08:37 <cwickert> ok, sorry
21:08:51 <cwickert> I think it got lost when I was disconnected
21:08:52 <rbergeron> sesivany: noted. i'll sort that out with lh and stabbymc.
21:09:08 <rbergeron> thanks for the info :)
21:09:15 <giallu> you probably seen somewhere a thread about how our logo looks like facebook one
21:09:23 <giallu> and it actually happened to me
21:09:25 <cwickert> #action rbergeron to ship case badges and stickers to Sesivany at the Brno office
21:09:41 <cwickert> so?
21:09:46 <giallu> so, can we consider to make in the future larger stickers with full logo?
21:09:48 <cwickert> should we sue Facebook?
21:10:06 <cwickert> what stickers are you referring to?
21:10:15 <cwickert> the 6,5 cm round ones?
21:10:22 <giallu> yeah those
21:10:37 <cwickert> I don't think they look like Facebook
21:10:51 <cwickert> giallu: you want the whole wordmark? Fedora + logo?
21:10:55 <giallu> if "fedora" was also part of the sticker at least I'd get the Q "what's that?"
21:11:01 <giallu> cwickert, right
21:11:16 <giallu> just a suggestion
21:11:16 <cwickert> hm, we could consider that
21:11:19 <cwickert> but I like them
21:11:27 <cwickert> and I don't care about facebook
21:11:27 <giallu> me too honestly
21:11:38 <cwickert> they already said this about the old logo
21:11:56 <cwickert> ok, but lets keep this in mind for the next time
21:12:01 <cwickert> back to action items
21:12:09 <cwickert> NOT DONE cwickert to finally send out a mail about LinuxTag
21:12:19 <cwickert> but I did not do it on purpose
21:12:30 <cwickert> because I figured out we need to save money
21:12:39 <cwickert> and therefor I did not want too many people there
21:12:48 <cwickert> we need to invest in hotdogs this time :)
21:13:12 <cwickert> NOT DONE cwickert to disuss the possibility of making new Fedora shirts with kital
21:13:12 * gnokii next linuxtag cwickert will milking a cow :D
21:13:17 <rbergeron> we need to save money?
21:13:24 <thunderbirdtr> :D :D
21:13:35 <rbergeron> dude. i will pay money to see cwickert milking a cow
21:13:45 <cwickert> rbergeron: yes, if we pay 1000 EUR for hotdogs, we need to cut costs somewhere else
21:13:46 <thunderbirdtr> :D :D
21:14:03 <cwickert> rbergeron: anyway, we are fine with LinuxTag
21:14:11 <cwickert> next year it will be bigger again
21:14:12 <rbergeron> oh, i see. I interpreted what you said incorrectly :)
21:14:30 <cwickert> but I am not sure if we really need get back to the old times with 30+ people there
21:14:46 <cwickert> we had times where we spend over 15k EUR for Linuxtat
21:14:50 <cwickert> this was just too much
21:15:05 <gnokii> +1
21:15:07 <cwickert> if we can do the same for 3.5k
21:15:25 <cwickert> OBSOLETE gnokii to send dmaphy tablecloth
21:15:33 <cwickert> OBSOLETE dmaphy to file a ticket for the banner for Graz ASAP and directly assign it to somebody who actually has a banner
21:15:39 <cwickert> dmaphy: please close the ticket
21:15:53 <dmaphy> it already is closed iirc
21:16:03 * cwickert doesn't think so, but anyway
21:16:08 <cwickert> NOT DONE gnokii to send a mail to the list that we need to collect all   remaining media or at least have an overview what is left and where
21:16:18 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: you still have media, right?
21:16:27 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, yes
21:16:32 <cwickert> how much?
21:16:37 <gnokii> damn, thats what I forgot
21:16:52 <thunderbirdtr> ~100 or little bit low
21:17:15 <cwickert> I wonder if it makes sense to send them to me for LinuxTag
21:17:23 <cwickert> but I guess we are already late
21:17:33 <thunderbirdtr> you know the shipping time
21:17:35 <gnokii> cwickert: I packed everything from vienna for linuxtag
21:17:39 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: how long did it take to send you media? 10 days?
21:17:46 <cwickert> gnokii: how much is left?
21:17:48 <thunderbirdtr> If we lucky yes
21:17:53 <thunderbirdtr> If not 15 or 20
21:18:00 <gnokii> one package and a few "design suites"
21:18:03 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: yes, I am fraid so
21:18:08 <cwickert> ok
21:18:13 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: keep the media
21:18:20 <cwickert> spread them ASAP
21:18:21 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, ok
21:18:22 <nb> cwickert, case badges should be shipped to me on 5/11
21:18:28 <cwickert> nb: thanks
21:18:32 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, done
21:18:41 <cwickert> NOT DONE shaiton_ and cwickert to get quotes for tablecloth
21:18:46 <cwickert> #action shaiton_ and cwickert to get quotes for tablecloth
21:18:47 <nb> should cost you about 400
21:18:50 <cwickert> ok, that's all
21:18:56 <cwickert> nb: ok
21:19:07 <cwickert> that's all for action items
21:19:13 <cwickert> #topic Open FLoor
21:19:26 <cwickert> I have two things on my mind
21:19:30 <gnokii> cwickert: I have something
21:19:31 <cwickert> one is improving shipping
21:19:42 <thunderbirdtr> !
21:19:48 <cwickert> we have a problem that people file tickets and nobody looks at them
21:20:06 <cwickert> I wonder if we should establish a group of "swag-shippers"
21:20:18 <cwickert> which are CC'ed on all mails from the swag tracker
21:20:27 <cwickert> or a mailing list for swag shipping
21:20:39 <cwickert> does this sound like a good idea?
21:20:52 <thunderbirdtr> ! for shipping
21:21:01 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: noted
21:21:17 <cwickert> good idea of not?
21:21:18 <Sesivany> cwickert: definitely, unless its assigned to me i dont know about it.
21:21:27 <thunderbirdtr> no no I ı have idea for improving shipping
21:21:54 <cwickert> Sesivany: I could CC you in the trac admin, but this is a manual step. a mailing list will scale better
21:22:03 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: ok, your turn
21:23:01 <thunderbirdtr> Can we deal one of common shipping company then we gonna have to give money in year and they will send our package much fast then post but we have to identify ourself as "Company"
21:23:45 <Sesivany> its very simple, i can ship only with fedex.
21:23:50 <thunderbirdtr> I was talked some of my friends working company they always use that way and send package for free
21:24:06 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: this is basically the plan
21:24:15 <Sesivany> red has has a contract and better rates from them
21:24:22 <thunderbirdtr> +1
21:24:33 <cwickert> we send stuff to Sesivany and he ships through Red Hat's company account
21:24:45 <thunderbirdtr> this will be fast
21:25:00 <cwickert> it will not help with smaller shipments though
21:25:13 <Sesivany> i think shipping media was fast last time
21:25:23 <cwickert> yeah
21:25:29 <thunderbirdtr> just in idea
21:25:39 <thunderbirdtr> eof
21:25:52 <cwickert> Sesivany: but you won't ship a package of 30 media + some stickers with fedex, just too expensive for small packages
21:26:09 <cwickert> for small shipments we still need to do them locally
21:26:18 <cwickert> and within one country they are usually fast
21:26:28 <Sesivany> thats right
21:26:32 <cwickert> like when I sent something to dmaphy for Graz, it took one day
21:26:51 <cwickert> the idea for smaller shipments is that we get a "prepaid card"
21:27:03 <cwickert> or something like a credit card
21:27:12 * dmaphy can confirm this was *really* fast here in Hamburg
21:27:15 <cwickert> Deutsch Post / DHL does offer this
21:27:21 <cwickert> it is called "Post Card"
21:27:24 <giallu> cwickert, same in italy
21:27:34 <cwickert> you just go to the post office and don't have to pay
21:27:45 <cwickert> and at the end of the month sombody gets an invoice
21:27:56 <cwickert> the preoblem is that it requires a German bank account
21:28:18 <thunderbirdtr> that means countries banks  ?
21:28:19 <Sesivany> thats what we have with fedex too.
21:28:29 <cwickert> we should investigate this opportunity in other countries, too
21:28:39 <cwickert> giallu: do you know if this requires a back account in Italy?
21:28:55 <giallu> cwickert, no. I need to check the details
21:29:44 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: ideally we have one person in every country that has such a prepaid card. Sesivany would send a big package to you with fedex and when needed, you can send smaller packages to other ambassadors in Turkey and don't have to pay for it
21:29:51 <cwickert> lets work on this
21:29:58 <cwickert> giallu: please do
21:30:05 <giallu> checking now
21:30:40 <cwickert> #action everybody try to figure out if there is a kind of "prepaid card" for your local postal service
21:30:54 <cwickert> ok, I think gnokii had something
21:30:57 <cwickert> gnokii: your turn
21:31:43 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, +1 thanks
21:31:45 <gnokii> cwickert: about the stickers we spoke about last meeting, I filed a ticket spoke with Mo and also with Sesivany to find a company who does it, what I need is to know which projects u like to see on them
21:32:55 <cwickert> gnokii: basically everything that is related to Fedora, say GNOME, KDE, Xfce, LXDE (because we have spins of them) and then the evergreens like GIMP, inkscape, blender, ...
21:33:02 <Sesivany> gnokii: we have a vendor for that. you saw the quality.
21:33:12 <cwickert> I think the last ones mizmo made were pretty good
21:33:26 <cwickert> if they had Xfce and LXDE, they were perfect already
21:33:33 <cwickert> not much to improve
21:33:54 <cwickert> other than they would need to follow the latest logo usage guidelines
21:33:58 <gnokii> ok, then I will do something, looking to bring fedora flavor to them ;)
21:34:05 <cwickert> but I trust the design team
21:34:13 <jreznik> are the all project ok with stickers producing? not like fedora :)
21:34:13 <cwickert> they know way better than me ;)
21:34:37 <cwickert> gnokii: question answered? anything still unclear?
21:34:48 <cwickert> gnokii: you could write to ambassadors list about this
21:34:48 <gnokii> have my answer
21:34:53 <gnokii> ok
21:35:01 <cwickert> but I am afraid this will become "please do foo" thing
21:35:09 <cwickert> and we end up with too many suggestions then
21:35:10 <gnokii> thats the point
21:35:15 <cwickert> then leave it
21:35:37 <cwickert> gnokii: so basically its just the old ones
21:35:41 <cwickert> plus spins
21:35:54 <cwickert> say Xfce, LXDE, Sugar, perhaps OLPC
21:36:05 <cwickert> not sure if we violate anybodys trademarks
21:36:16 * cwickert is not a lawyer and happy about it
21:36:32 <cwickert> ok, anything else for Open floor?
21:36:37 <thunderbirdtr> lawyer = passion ;)
21:36:53 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if there are no further questions
21:37:01 <cwickert> ha, one more thing
21:37:44 <cwickert> #info the deadline for asking the FAmSCo candidates questions is due, but you might sneak your question in last minute at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F17_elections_questionnaire
21:37:53 <cwickert> ok, that's all from me
21:38:27 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, what happend to wiki pages in designs parts ? just little answer for it ?
21:38:37 <cwickert> I don't know
21:38:42 <thunderbirdtr> ok
21:39:14 <cwickert> mizmo_, gnokii: do you know about the status of cleaning up the wiki and removing outdated artwork and pr material?
21:40:01 <gnokii> cwickert: its more a question for mo, but there are things with higher prio right now
21:40:10 <cwickert> ok
21:40:15 <cwickert> understood
21:40:25 <cwickert> alright, lets close this meeting
21:40:34 <cwickert> thanks everybody for coming
21:40:36 <cwickert> #endmeeting