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20:00:26 <rbergeron> #meetingname Fedora Marketing
20:00:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing'
20:00:48 * rbergeron waves at everyone
20:01:00 <rbergeron> #topic Agenda
20:01:01 <rbergeron> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda
20:01:37 <rbergeron> Soooo - agenda hasn't really changed since last week, most of it is recurring stuff or things we continue to collectively plow forth
20:01:50 <rbergeron> #topic ticket 33: free media distribution
20:01:57 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/33
20:02:10 <rbergeron> #info yn1v sent mail on this a bit ago - he is continuing to work forward on it.
20:02:44 * rbergeron notes nourishedcloud isn't here - he has ticket #35, the further planning ahead on release events marketing
20:02:54 <rbergeron> ianweller, you around?
20:03:08 <rbergeron> #topic Ticket 107 - Brand / Story Book
20:03:13 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/107
20:03:39 * stickster hears crickets
20:03:39 <rbergeron> Soooo - I know here that ianweller is working with the design team a bit on some of the new fonts and so forth.
20:03:47 <rbergeron> i know it :)
20:03:50 <stickster> Yes, I saw a draft of a page he did -- it's pretty cool
20:03:57 <rbergeron> stickster: have a link?
20:04:01 <stickster> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Brand_guidelines_%28draft%29
20:04:07 <rbergeron> woot. thanks :)
20:04:23 * rbergeron will look at that in a bit, exciting :)))
20:04:47 <rbergeron> Actually, design team's first thing they'll be doing with some of the new chosen fonts is to put together a OO impress template for us.
20:05:05 * stickster notes Design team was meeting in the last hour and discussing said fonts
20:05:17 <rbergeron> and by "us" i mean everyone who wants to make beautiful fedora presentations. That's their current bi-weekly bounty.
20:05:48 <rbergeron> #topic ticket 123 - ublog account changes
20:05:53 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/123
20:06:03 <rbergeron> Stickster: would you like to do the weekly tweeting honors?
20:06:11 <stickster> rbergeron: I will!
20:06:17 * stickster scurries off to do it
20:06:22 <rbergeron> we're up to 316 followers. :)
20:07:19 <rbergeron> #topic SSSD Feature Profile - ticket 125
20:07:22 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/125
20:07:42 <rbergeron> Stickster: sooo, I can't remember if i saw this last week, but I actually dropped kara an email last night
20:07:50 <rbergeron> (and by that I mean probably 4am this morning)
20:08:11 * mchua waves
20:08:13 * mchua reads up
20:08:16 <rbergeron> HAI MCHUA
20:08:20 <rbergeron> thanks for coming :)
20:08:43 <mchua> Sorry I'm late! Was finishing up another meeting in #teachingopensource.
20:08:54 <rbergeron> stickster: did you want to actually do this for me? I did want to sync up with kara on like... maybe longer-term thinking and stuff.
20:09:10 <stickster> rbergeron: Sure, I'll pick this one up
20:09:36 <rbergeron> stickster: I'd like to make sure we can figure out how to do this in the future
20:09:56 <rbergeron> maybe you can walk me through this one, and we can set something up with kara.... soon-ish, next couple weeks or so.
20:10:01 <stickster> rbergeron: All that's required, really, is a draft article
20:10:32 <rbergeron> stickster: what about her schedule and so forth? Should i ask her like... how much stuff we can send her?
20:10:36 <rbergeron> Work up a long-term schedule?
20:10:45 <stickster> Step 1: Ask Kara about space in the schedule and agree on subject matter; Step 2: write draft article and volley back/forth; Step 3: Kara posts
20:10:52 * rbergeron doesn't want to be all willy-nilly about it :)
20:10:53 <stickster> rbergeron: Exactly.
20:11:07 <ianweller> hi all
20:11:07 <rbergeron> ahhh. okay
20:11:15 <stickster> Usually she can fit in something every few weeks that's Fedora related -- more as we get toward a release.
20:11:25 <rbergeron> #info Step 1: Ask Kara about space in the schedule and agree on subject matter; Step 2: write draft article and volley back/forth; Step 3: Kara posts
20:11:29 <ianweller> rbergeron: i am on vacation and i have a bad data network right now, sorry
20:11:38 * stickster thinks weekly might be overkill, biweekly probably a good target to shoot for
20:11:44 <rbergeron> ianweller: no prob, why don't you step away and be vacationing?
20:11:47 <rbergeron> :)
20:11:55 <mchua> It would be nice to have a place to see the queue that's coming up.
20:11:56 <rbergeron> not that i don't enjoy your presence
20:12:11 <mchua> Of Fedora-related press - not just the stuff we send Kara, but the stuff that... anyone else sends her, or that she's thinking of pushing.
20:13:01 * rbergeron agrees that that would be nice to have
20:13:46 <rbergeron> okay then. moving on ;)
20:13:50 <stickster> rbergeron: mchua: We can set that up then. The only thing currently on the ticket is... SSSD :-)
20:14:12 * stickster notes we are in a clear phase before release mktg/PR, so it's a good time to do just tha.
20:14:13 <stickster> *that.
20:14:41 * stickster dpesm
20:14:42 <mchua> Should I pick up on the ticket again and keep nudging?
20:14:43 <stickster> argh.
20:14:59 * rbergeron throws stickster a mavis beacon
20:15:23 <rbergeron> mchua: that would be lovely :) i poked her last night - do you want to sync up with me in a day or two and see if i've heard back before we nudge further?
20:15:34 <mchua> rbergeron: I can do that.
20:15:37 * mchua updates ze ticket
20:15:49 * stickster is OK with creating a wiki page for a schedule, as long as it doesn't bitrot.
20:15:52 <rbergeron> #action mchua to follow up with rbergeron in a few days to see if rbergeron has heard back from kara. if not, then poke.
20:16:12 <rbergeron> #topic Fedora Insight
20:16:25 <rbergeron> Just to update here:
20:16:29 * rbergeron hunts for link
20:17:07 <rbergeron> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2010-June/000665.html
20:17:28 <rbergeron> #info we've temporarily halted zikula stuff.
20:17:36 <rbergeron> stickster: are we having an FI meeting this week?
20:18:02 <stickster> rbergeron: Not this week
20:18:09 <stickster> rbergeron: I can definitely do one next week though.
20:18:49 <rbergeron> stickster: okeedokee. did we send out cancellation notice?
20:18:55 <rbergeron> sparks: ^^^^ remove from your calendar ;)
20:18:58 <stickster> I'll drive some status traffic on the logistics@ list. We need to figure out next steps, among which are figuring out what CMS-related work is going on out there
20:19:03 <Sparks> rbergeron: In progress
20:19:03 * rbergeron nods
20:19:09 <stickster> rbergeron: I had it on TODO for tomorrow, 24h ahead :-)
20:19:13 <stickster> But I'll send it now
20:19:17 <rbergeron> stickster: ah, you rock.
20:19:37 <rbergeron> #topic F14 Marketing schedule / tasks
20:19:40 <rbergeron> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2010-June/000665.html
20:19:44 <rbergeron> no, no.
20:19:46 <rbergeron> #undo
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20:19:51 <rbergeron> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-marketing-tasks.html
20:20:11 <rbergeron> I've gone through and recycled all the marketing wiki pages for F14.
20:20:51 <rbergeron> I still need to update the main release deliverables page - bumping things over, linking in the F14 pages for 'current release' here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_deliverables
20:21:05 <rbergeron> Unless someone else wants to do that ;)
20:21:50 * rbergeron grins
20:22:19 <rbergeron> #topic Design team interviews
20:22:22 <stickster> rbergeron: OK to link to nonexistent pages there?
20:22:35 * stickster notes we've got actions coming up, but no #action nor responsible persons
20:22:42 <rbergeron> stickster: they exist - same format as the F13 people
20:22:46 <stickster> rbergeron: Woo!
20:22:51 <rbergeron> err
20:22:52 <stickster> I'll fix the main [[Marketing]] page then
20:22:52 <rbergeron> F13 pages
20:22:56 * rbergeron can't type at ALL today
20:23:06 <stickster> #action stickster fix [[Marketing]] page to point to F14 deliverables
20:23:20 <rbergeron> stickster: the only exception is the postmortem page - those still need to be renamed to "retrospectives"
20:23:27 <stickster> rbergeron: will do
20:23:58 <rbergeron> okay. back to design team interviews:
20:24:17 <rbergeron> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-June/002694.html
20:24:49 <rbergeron> We've got a nice list from the design team on interviews we can do. I'd like to start cranking these out at least every 2 weeks - but it would be great to have some volunteers doing some of the interviewing.
20:25:08 * rbergeron notes that mizmo had an awesome idea as well -
20:25:09 <rbergeron> I think for each interview you could have a little sidebar for the
20:25:09 <rbergeron> highlighted tool talking about the upstream website and the install
20:25:10 <rbergeron> instructions for getting it on Fedora.
20:25:57 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to ping marketing list to recruit interviewers.
20:26:21 <rbergeron> #topic is this a bad meeting time????
20:26:33 <rbergeron> We seem to be pretty anemic lately :(
20:27:04 * Sparks notes that it might not be the best time of day for east coasters (USA)
20:27:08 <rbergeron> mchua: can i woo you into pinging the list about maybe changing time slots?
20:27:16 <rbergeron> or... sparks? :)
20:27:21 <ke4qqq> thanks a lot :) /me wonders if asking the question of those who actually show up is what we are after.
20:27:36 <mchua> rbergeron: I can be woo'd.
20:27:44 <Sparks> rbergeron: Have you done a "whenisgood.net" survey lately?
20:27:51 <mchua> I have! I have!
20:27:56 <rbergeron> sparks: we haven't done one recently
20:28:17 <rbergeron> thistimeslotusedtobegood.net ? :)
20:28:26 <Sparks> heh
20:28:39 <rbergeron> ke4qqq: you mean people who generally show up but haven't recently?
20:28:59 * rbergeron knows that rrix is dancing, err, working on stuff at akademy; yn1v was tied up this week as well
20:29:18 <ke4qqq> rbergeron: I meant asking in a meeting if now is the best time. /me was just giving you a hard time - feel free to /ignore me
20:29:29 <rbergeron> ke4qqq: will do :)
20:29:42 * rbergeron is having a difficult time following people today in general, sorry
20:29:49 <Sparks> rbergeron: Just pointing out that unless I'm working from home this time slot is not going to be good for me
20:30:12 <Sparks> but I'll do what I can to help out where I can
20:30:14 <rbergeron> #action mchua to investigate the possibility of a better time slot for marketing meetings.
20:30:50 <rbergeron> #topic FUDCon EMEA Announcement
20:30:56 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/124
20:31:03 <rbergeron> Wonderer picked up this ticket (thank you, sir)
20:31:42 <rbergeron> #topic open floor
20:31:44 <rbergeron> I has nothing else.
20:31:53 <Sparks> that's a first
20:31:57 <rbergeron> I know it.
20:32:38 <mchua> How can we get new faces in here?
20:32:48 <mchua> I feel like we've got more opportunities than we can really handle
20:32:51 <rbergeron> #topic recruitment!
20:33:05 <mchua> and what we need is not necessarily more ticket-crunching minions, but spirited folks who want to DO STUFF and drive projects of their own
20:33:13 <mchua> like the microblogging thing! I think that's been an excellent example
20:33:23 <rbergeron> yes, it has :)
20:33:41 <rbergeron> and i know that nelson continues to work on SWOT stuff also, which is cool.
20:34:18 <rbergeron> perhaps we can recruit people at CLS / OSCON. :)
20:34:22 <mchua> Hrm
20:34:29 <mchua> one thought: fedora consumes a lot of upstream code
20:34:35 <mchua> or rather, we like working with upstreams
20:34:44 <mchua> and our code comes from upstream, rather than "hey let's carry lots o' patches in fedora"
20:35:01 <mchua> What does upstream marketing look like? That's something I've been trying to wrap my head around lately.
20:35:23 <rbergeron> in some cases.... non-existent
20:35:25 <mchua> Can we, for instance, get a feature profile on... say... gnome-shell (bad example, outdated, but bear with me) written... not "in Fedora" but for GNOME Journal, say?
20:35:33 <mchua> and then go "woo, creative commons! *REPURPOSE*"
20:35:45 <mchua> send Fedora folks upstream to help with their marketing, and then pull that stuff directly?
20:35:45 <ke4qqq> mchua: largely inexistent, very corporate, or in some cases very grassroots awesome
20:35:49 <rbergeron> mchua: aren't you and rrix working on something to that effect?
20:35:52 <mchua> I wonder if that is a way to pull folks in.
20:36:04 <mchua> rbergeron: ...yeeeeah, er, rrix - when you get back from Akademy...
20:36:10 <mchua> argh, we keep on having to reschedule writing sprints for that
20:36:51 <rbergeron> i think he's back soon.
20:36:54 <rbergeron> soon-ish. :)
20:37:10 <rbergeron> maybe we should get rrix on some kde / fedora marketing. ;)
20:38:10 * rbergeron looks around for other thoughts :)
20:38:54 <Sparks> stickster ianweller: Weren't we going to be working with CC a while back with a release from them on how FP had moved to CC-BY-SA?
20:39:22 <rbergeron> ooh.
20:39:24 <mchua> rbergeron: that sounds like an excellent #idea :D
20:39:27 <mchua> his blog posts already have a ton
20:39:28 * Sparks notes that Docs on both FP and RH moved to CC-BY-SA a couple months ago
20:39:28 <ke4qqq> it strikes me that 1. we don't have enough bodies to do things, and that needs to be rectified and 2. we have a lot of things that could be promoted but lack of long term strategy (which is hard with largely all volunteer base)
20:39:35 <stickster> Sparks: That was an ianweller + quaid project -- not sure about the PR side.
20:40:03 <Sparks> stickster: It's not too late is it?  :)
20:40:45 <stickster> Sparks: Probably not. I can't drive it at this point, though.
20:40:58 <stickster> Sparks: Are you interested in doing that?
20:41:01 <Sparks> "Open licenses means open pathways to freedom for all"
20:41:07 <Sparks> stickster: I could be persuaded
20:41:15 * rbergeron presents sparks with cookies
20:41:18 <stickster> There you go.
20:41:20 <Sparks> :)
20:41:27 * ke4qqq thinks that could be an excellent print article too
20:41:32 <stickster> Is that a yes then?
20:41:39 <Sparks> rbergeron: As long as we are all on the same page...
20:41:57 <rbergeron> just let me know what page it is, and i'll be there :)
20:42:47 <stickster> rbergeron: That second tweet must have worked, I have an inbox full of follow notices again :-)
20:42:59 <rbergeron> stickster: awesome
20:43:44 <rbergeron> #action sparks to dive into Docs / FP / CC marketing interaction / story
20:44:02 <rbergeron> mchua: any other ideas?
20:44:10 <Sparks> rbergeron: Do you want a story or do you want to try to work with CC or upstream on that?
20:44:20 <mchua> I'd like to follow up with our potential POSSE minions.
20:44:37 <mchua> er, POSSE/TOS minions. If we have projects that could be taken on by uni students for a project class.
20:44:40 <mchua> Feature profiles was one.
20:44:49 <Sparks> Heck, a killer story would be to work with downstream...
20:44:49 <rbergeron> sparks: I think it would be great to do both, but I leave the ball in your court.
20:45:07 <rbergeron> mchua: that sounds excellent.
20:45:22 <rbergeron> I can load them up. believe me :)
20:45:28 <mchua> w00t.
20:45:42 <mchua> I'm going to be trying to get the profs into these meetings, but I don't know how soon they can do it
20:45:46 <mchua> and it's likely to be on short notice.
20:45:54 <mchua> so if you see a prof randomly popping in, just... warning you, that's why.
20:46:06 <rbergeron> mchua: works for me
20:46:10 <ke4qqq> mchua: what can we do to improve the experience this time around
20:47:22 <rbergeron> mchua: iirc, aren't these profs more into technical writing and so forth?
20:47:37 <rbergeron> which i think will benefit us more as far as - students more likely being interested, etc?
20:47:40 <mchua> Yep, I'm bringing the tech writing and journalism profs into mktg/docs (Sparks has met them).
20:47:51 <mchua> ke4qqq: That's a good question.
20:48:05 <rbergeron> I think the students having a more narrow focus / interest here is probably good
20:48:08 <rbergeron> what level are the classes, mchua?
20:48:36 <mchua> Honestly, I'm not sure what the answer is - the Allegheny profs have been too busy to debrief much.
20:48:39 * stickster ducks out for a few
20:48:39 <mchua> I'll try to find out, though.
20:49:00 <mchua> rbergeron: Relatively introductory - also containing non-majors - but they *are* focused, which is I think the biggest help.
20:49:10 <mchua> For instance, the journalism class is all about getting students to learn how to interview.
20:49:19 <rbergeron> so - I think the most important thing here is that having the professors involved BEFOREHAND - being in marketing meetings and such
20:49:29 <mchua> Interview, interview, interview. Not "generally speaking, here's how to be a college student" - it's *just* interviewing. Mmm, focus.
20:49:29 <rbergeron> will be a much better experience for all of us
20:49:35 <ke4qqq> wow - that will be nice - perhaps we can get jzb to help us a bit before tossing them to the volves....
20:49:40 <mchua> Yeah, I think that is a very good idea.
20:49:50 <ke4qqq> wolves even
20:50:13 * mchua nods
20:50:26 <mchua> I think it will also help for us to have visibility into what they're trying to do with their classes
20:50:34 <mchua> to see a course description, syllabus, semester schedule, etc so we know where we're fitting in
20:50:51 <rbergeron> yep.
20:50:55 <mchua> we have our schedule laid out, but I felt like... randomly, STUDENTS APPEARED! and we had no context as to what they'd done
20:50:58 <mchua> or who they were.
20:51:29 * rbergeron thinks a defriefing / what can we do to improve discussion with the previous alleghenies faculty would be a wise move
20:51:41 <ke4qqq> mchua: same faculty?
20:51:46 <mchua> ke4qqq: Different faculty.
20:52:06 <mchua> ke4qqq: thing is, I think we learn more each time - this will be the third round, iirc, of trying to get a class involved
20:52:14 <rbergeron> in marketing?
20:52:15 <mchua> first time it sounds like y'all learned some hard lessons.
20:52:21 <mchua> rbergeron: I think docs was the first.
20:52:24 <rbergeron> ahhh
20:52:27 <ke4qqq> first time was painful
20:52:38 <mchua> second time was frantic but we squeaked through
20:52:41 <mchua> third time's the charm?
20:52:49 <rbergeron> have we retained any of the students as volunteers?
20:52:59 <ke4qqq> but I feel like in both instances we learned our lessons but didn't share them or post them anywhere (failure on my part I admit)
20:53:17 <mchua> rbergeron: not... yet.
20:53:18 <ke4qqq> and I'd like to know (esp from the .edu side) what we can do to make it a better experience for them
20:53:20 <rbergeron> I didn't notate anywhere either.
20:53:32 <mchua> Huh, that's a thought. I'd like to - for instance, "Hannah, the BTRFS profile was AWESOME, want to keep on doing stuff?"
20:53:49 <ke4qqq> I know what I'd say to make it better from our perspective, but not vice versa
20:53:49 * rbergeron nods
20:53:52 <ke4qqq> win 12
20:53:55 <mchua> Well, I will be seeing Matt Jadud at OSCON in 2 weeks.
20:54:03 <rbergeron> ooh.
20:54:04 <mchua> ke4qqq: actually, that may be a good way to start
20:54:17 <mchua> I've asked for feedback but I think it may be too blank a slate
20:54:49 <rbergeron> need more pointed questions?
20:54:58 <mchua> Yes.
20:55:04 * ke4qqq notes that we should probably document our perspective as well
20:55:16 <mchua> More pointed questions, and first random guesses from us - easier to revise/critique than to start from a blank page, etc
20:55:19 <mchua> ke4qqq: Oh yes.
20:55:21 <rbergeron> maybe you and I can meet with him and figure that stuff out - even, what are the questions to ask ona regular basis of outgoing classes
20:55:25 <mchua> rbergeron: That would be great.
20:55:37 <mchua> How about this - sometime this week, I will kick things off with a blog post
20:56:08 <mchua> ke4qqq, rbergeron: if you'd like to follow up with notes and such, that would be teh awesum, but in any case we'll have at least something to bring to jadudm at OSCON
20:56:15 <rbergeron> Allegheny postm^H^H^H^H^Hretrospective? :)
20:56:37 <ke4qqq> USC would have needed a post-mortem, don't think Allegheny was that bad :)
20:56:49 * mchua grins.
20:56:54 <mchua> I think we made it through alive, yeah
20:56:58 <mchua> "retrospective"
20:57:02 * rbergeron checks pulse
20:57:12 <rbergeron> i think i feel something
20:57:22 <Sparks> \
20:57:30 <rbergeron> :)
20:57:53 <rbergeron> alllrighty then. anything else, anyone?
20:57:55 * rbergeron looks at the clock
20:59:16 <rbergeron> okee dokee.
20:59:18 <mchua> none from me!
20:59:20 * mchua has to jet
20:59:23 <rbergeron> thanks for coming all :)
20:59:30 <rbergeron> #endmeeting