18:00:18 <kital> #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2010-05-10
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18:00:27 <kital> #topic Roll Call
18:00:29 <susmit> susmit shannigrahi
18:00:32 <kital> Joerg Simon
18:00:40 <tatica> Maria Leandro
18:00:42 <kital> #chair spevack
18:00:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack
18:00:43 <spevack> Max Spevack
18:01:19 <kital> thanks all for coming
18:01:26 <spevack> how's everyone doing?
18:01:36 <tatica> great :)
18:01:51 <kital> spevack: can imagine mostly working on F13 Release ;)
18:02:03 <kital> spevack: but fine!
18:02:16 <kital> we have not so much on the Agenda today
18:02:18 <susmit> spevack, a bit busy but fine
18:02:19 <spevack> I'm spending most of my time trying to figure out how I'm going to do my job and Greg's job after this week :(
18:02:34 <tatica> o0
18:02:48 <kital> spevack: maybe you can hand over things to us?
18:03:17 <spevack> kital: i'm sure there will be some of that.  So much is already handed over, and everyone is busy.
18:04:26 <kital> you know we are here and will try to help you
18:04:58 <kital> Agenda today -
18:05:10 <kital> #topic  Current action items
18:05:31 <kital> has anyone a update on his current action item?
18:05:47 * kital has none on mentoring survey ;(
18:06:10 <spevack> My updates:
18:06:28 <spevack> I need to go through my tickets, and get a few things paid, especially for IDLELO.  But everything should be in good shape for that event.
18:06:32 <spevack> I thought Pierros' blog post was great
18:06:38 <spevack> I just need to get him his plane ticket reimbursement
18:07:10 * tatica has been working on translate some parts of the wiki
18:07:20 <kital> spevack: yeah he has started "road to ghana" ;)
18:07:28 * ke4qqq is here sorry for being late
18:07:33 <susmit> for me, I need to arrange a release party meeting this week.. which I will do
18:07:49 <kital> welcome ke4qqq  we review the action items
18:08:06 <kital> susmit: should we do a action item for that?
18:08:19 <susmit> yes, please
18:09:01 <kital> #action susmit arrange a release party meeting this week weeknum 19
18:09:47 <kital> btw. i want to thank all again that we could hand out the April Report last week!
18:09:58 <kital> lets move on`
18:09:59 <kital> ?
18:10:35 <kital> #topic Ambassador topics for future Release Schedules
18:11:35 <kital> John brought up a question grown from a conflict with design team and insufficient scheduling
18:11:56 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-May/014478.html
18:12:11 * ke4qqq actually thought from the tone that he was going to attend the meeting today - but perhaps I misread that
18:12:30 * spevack reads
18:12:53 <kital> and the question is - Is there a need for Ambassador Milestones to be Scheduled?
18:13:17 <spevack> There are a few Ambassador-related things that should be part of the official Fedora schedule.
18:13:20 <kital> i answered already with two points i see that we should add
18:13:29 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-May/014479.html
18:13:39 <spevack> (1) Decision about what media will be "professionally" produced, with enough time for the Artwork team to produce the proper image files.
18:13:45 <kital> ke4qqq: yes but "i have added as a topic for the next FAmSCo Meeting.
18:13:47 <spevack> (2) Ordering of media in different geos.
18:14:21 <kital> " is not a clear invitation from my side - maybe he also misunderstood me
18:14:21 <spevack> we didn't have a formalized set of rules for this in F13, and it has led to some chaos as we all know.
18:14:29 <kital> spevack: yes
18:14:38 <ke4qqq> yes
18:15:03 <lfoppiano> hi, sorry for the delay
18:15:21 <kital> hi lfoppiano we discuss http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-May/014478.html
18:15:38 <kital> lfoppiano: Scheduling Ambassador topics for releases
18:16:41 <kital> i also see Media as a clear topic to be scheduled - decission has to be made till a certain date > how much media and what media
18:17:25 <kital> maybe also the Release Events and Party Organization should be scheduled along the official schedule ? http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-key-tasks.html
18:17:37 <kital> not for F13 but for future releases?
18:17:41 <kital> can you think of more?
18:17:56 <ke4qqq> I think that likely needs to be an action item for all of us
18:18:16 <ke4qqq> as horrendous as everybody tasks are for getting things done
18:19:17 <kital> ok so only Media production as a "official" scheduled item?
18:19:37 <kital> right now - there was no other proposal on the Ambassador List
18:19:42 <spevack> i think so, kital
18:20:19 <susmit> kital, may be release events
18:20:34 <kital> ok - i suggest that the regional famsco members get feedback in the next regional meetings what the community thinks is a good timeline for producing media?
18:20:56 <ke4qqq> more important than the tasks themselves is their relationship to other things like artwork, etc
18:21:46 <susmit> right
18:21:49 <kital> ke4qqq: yes if we know what will be produced the designteam can work on
18:22:12 <tatica> everything depends of the theme
18:22:15 <kital> and has not to produce artwork for media we will not produce
18:22:26 <tatica> after we have a wallpaper, everything can take just a couple of days
18:22:35 <tatica> including the dvd, banners and other stuff
18:22:41 <tatica> the date you need to take care is that one
18:24:05 <kital> tatica from design team perspective - what do you think is a good timeframe to know what media will be produced and what artwork is needed for this media?
18:25:04 <tatica> usually the media art is based on the wallpaper
18:25:24 <tatica> is just to take the wallpaper with a default content (print and cases) and that's it
18:25:43 <tatica> so after the wallpaper is done... 2 or 3 days top are enough to have the art done for media
18:26:21 <kital> tatica: what i mean is also spin media design
18:26:44 <tatica> is the same, the only thing that change is the "name" and background
18:26:53 <tatica> and everything is in the same place
18:28:07 <kital> ok thanks tatica - lets get feedback from the regional meetings?
18:28:40 <tatica> :)
18:28:51 <kital> all lets get feedback from the regional meetings?
18:29:41 <ke4qqq> +1
18:30:28 <susmit> yes
18:30:31 <kital> ok
18:32:15 <susmit> kital, ?
18:32:17 <kital> #agreed get regional feedback on what Ambassdor topics should scheduled in the official release schedule in the future
18:32:23 <susmit> ok
18:32:37 <kital> #open flooe
18:32:39 <kital> #open floor
18:32:41 <kital> ;=
18:32:55 <kital> anyone anything?
18:32:59 <spevack> nothing from me this week.
18:33:00 <ke4qqq> can we make sure to invite poelcat to the appropriate next famsco meeting - or do we want that done out of meeting
18:33:19 <spevack> i think it's a fine idea to use a famsco meeting as "planning schedule items for next release"
18:33:44 * susmit thinks that we should discuss more on the ml. it is pretty inactive
18:33:55 <spevack> susmit: +1, for sure
18:34:04 <tatica> people in Latam has been working this week
18:34:09 <tatica> I'm really proud of them
18:34:30 <tatica> they have been translating and setting a lot of documentation so after the release party
18:34:34 <ke4qqq> susmit: I agree, but think the vast majority has no input - media production is pretty limited in number of participants, same with things like structure around release parties
18:34:49 <tatica> if new members (non-english) want to join; they will be able to have docs for them
18:35:11 <lfoppiano> nothing for me as well
18:35:59 <kital> i just want to point to an initiative we have started by sspreitzer
18:36:00 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Africa
18:36:01 <ke4qqq> tatica: that's awesome
18:36:09 <susmit> ke4qqq, i was talking about the famsco ml
18:36:20 <ke4qqq> susmit: ahhh - forgive me, I misunderstood
18:36:37 <susmit> ke4qqq, no problem :)
18:37:33 <tatica> hmm
18:37:53 <kital> right now the Africa meeting are not really driven by the africa community
18:37:54 <tatica> what if we open a weekly thread to "take notes" of the goals of the day/week
18:37:58 <tatica> ?
18:38:15 <tatica> that could move a little more the mail list and provide a faster feedback
18:38:15 <ke4qqq> what can we do to help Africa sprout more community, if anything
18:38:34 <kital> ke4qqq: i think sspreitzer is trying to start it
18:38:47 <ke4qqq> yes, what can we do to help his efforts
18:38:55 <kital> but in the last meeting only germans, greeks and one African Contributors showed up
18:39:06 <ke4qqq> wasn't there talk of a Cairo FAD recently?
18:39:09 <kital> a lot discussions ...
18:39:14 <kital> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-05-05/fedora-meeting.2010-05-05-19.14.html
18:39:19 <tatica> maybe we should send some fedora baloons to the footbal worldcup
18:39:31 <kital> tatica: ;)
18:39:37 <tatica> or sponsor a footbal ball and use it
18:39:37 <tatica> :$
18:40:06 <susmit> :)
18:40:19 <tatica> sorry... too much happy for the worldcup :$
18:40:33 <kital> just wanted to point out that something is going on in Africa because - we also had it on our goals for 2010 - think on Idlelo and so on
18:41:25 <kital> ok that´s it  for today?
18:41:54 <tatica> do we have contact with a university in Africa?
18:41:59 <tatica> in/on
18:42:45 <kital> we have to fossfa and i hope that Pierros and Isaac will link to them more deeply on idlelo
18:43:35 <kital> universities - some of the people listed on the Africa Page are working on Universities or are students there
18:44:10 <tatica> can we try to have a videoconference or something? maybe if some are teachers we could take 15min per week
18:44:19 <kital> i thinnk the next important task that we should support is to enable regional African Leaders like Isaac
18:44:32 <kital> and convince them to take over as soon as they feel ready
18:44:33 <tatica> oka
18:44:35 <kital> ?
18:45:36 <kital> seems susmit has connection problems
18:45:48 <kital> ok seems all a bit unfocused ;)
18:46:00 * kital included
18:46:10 <kital> should we end for today?
18:46:24 <ke4qqq> +1
18:46:44 <tatica> ok
18:47:23 <kital> thanks all for coming!
18:47:26 <kital> #endmeeting