18:05:09 <spevack> #startmeeting famsco
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18:05:15 <kital> lets start
18:05:16 <spevack> #chair kital spevack
18:05:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack
18:05:21 <spevack> kital: go ahead :)
18:05:58 <susmit> hi
18:05:59 <kital> spevack as wrote in my email before our agenda has no new business items
18:06:03 <kital> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
18:06:15 <spevack> Well I have some good news to share
18:06:22 <spevack> that is famsco related
18:06:24 <kital> #topic Roll Call
18:06:30 <spevack> .fas mspevack
18:06:33 <kital> Joerg Simon
18:06:35 <zodbot> spevack: mspevack 'Max Spevack' <mspevack@redhat.com>
18:06:42 <ke4qqq> David Nalley
18:06:47 <susmit> susmit
18:06:51 <lfoppianoww> Luca foppiano
18:07:03 <tatica> Maria Leandro
18:07:39 <kital> welcome all - i suggest we review the current action items first
18:08:21 <spevack> I can go first with mine
18:08:34 <kital> sure spevack move on
18:08:47 * susmit is eager to know the good news
18:09:06 <spevack> I know that Paul Mellors is going to be at an event in the near future -- I can't remember which, but I saw an email about this, so I think we're in good shape for making sure that we have some activity in the UK.
18:09:22 <susmit> nice.
18:09:26 <kital> #topic current action items
18:09:36 <spevack> I've not yet had a chance to go through the old FAMSCO tickets for personal information, or to do a final pass of the dispute resolution document.  These are lower priority, I suppose, but I need to find a bit of extra time for them and I will.
18:09:37 <lfoppianoww> cool stuff
18:09:44 <spevack> I've been pretty active in going through my FAMSCO tickets.
18:09:53 <ke4qqq> spevack: is that something that can be offloaded off of you?
18:10:09 <spevack> ke4qqq: sure... Anyone else could take either of those.
18:10:09 <ke4qqq> or maybe get some added help
18:10:23 <spevack> especially the dispute resolution doc.
18:10:35 <spevack> That was basically just "do some proofreading and make sure it's as clear as possible"
18:10:51 * tatica have a topic that couldn't add in time
18:10:54 <spevack> does someone want to take that?  Someone who didn't write the current draft?
18:11:29 <susmit> how about sending it to the docs team for proofreading?
18:11:31 * ke4qqq will take the dispute resolution doc, and also volunteer to start perusing the trac instance
18:11:41 <lfoppianoww> I can take it
18:11:55 <ke4qqq> lfoppianoww: please do - /me rescinds his offer
18:12:06 <lfoppianoww> oky
18:12:09 * spevack updates the wiki page accordingly
18:12:17 <spevack> Two other quick things from me:
18:12:55 <kital> #action will take the dispute resolution doc, and also volunteer to start perusing the trac instance
18:13:00 <kital> #undo
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18:13:03 <spevack> My open famsco tickets are mostly just waiting on receipts.  I've gotten PayPal payments out to a bunch of folks in the last two weeks.  We've got money in the hands of both RodrigoPadula and tatica for FLISOL, and when I get receipts from them probably later this month, then I can file expense reports for those.
18:13:10 <kital> #action ke4qqq will take the dispute resolution doc, and also volunteer to start perusing the trac instance
18:13:24 <tatica> yeap
18:13:26 <spevack> Here's the good news, in my opinion.
18:13:42 <spevack> I've gotten Red Hat's finance people to agree to try something new with me.
18:13:47 <tatica> btw, I won't be able to buy t-shirts, but I do pay some other things like stickers, media and maybe a banner
18:14:30 <spevack> Assuming there's no problems with the bank -- we're going to be able to get about 5 credit cards for fedora community members, that will allow them to pay for stuff and the bill goes directly to the right place.
18:14:41 <spevack> Which pretty much cuts me out as the middle man, which is awesome
18:15:00 * ke4qqq applauds loudly - knowing this has been in the process for years
18:15:16 <lfoppianoww> cool
18:15:17 <susmit> yes, cool
18:15:19 <kital> super
18:15:19 <RodrigoPadula> Ops, sorry guys I'm late
18:15:29 <spevack> My goal is to make sure we can spread this around the world, and to handle some of the process around it.  But it gives us a chance to put those cards directly into the hands of regional leaders or famsco members worldwide, and will help tremendously with general swag, events, and even fudcons.
18:15:49 <tatica> wow, great
18:15:57 <spevack> I want to get at least 1 in LATAM, EMEA, India, and NA to start.
18:16:02 <kital> RodrigoPadula: we review the cureent action items right now
18:16:04 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, I'm at home now, so , I will organize the receipts to add to the ticket
18:16:10 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: cool!
18:16:20 <spevack> so that's about it from me.
18:16:21 * ke4qqq notes that spevack must have the most charming smile on the face of the earth to have pulled this off :)
18:16:27 <kital> ;)
18:16:31 <susmit> :)
18:16:48 <spevack> EOF
18:16:58 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, great idea spevack , it will help us a lot!
18:17:16 <kital> ke4qqq tatica any news on wiki page for "things to show on your laptop during an event"
18:17:17 <susmit> spevack, what about APAC?
18:17:19 <RodrigoPadula> Mainly for organize events and FUDCons
18:17:25 <spevack> susmit: yep, APAC too.
18:17:30 <spevack> 5 regions, 5 cards.
18:17:35 <ke4qqq> kital: that page has been updated - probably needs to move out from under User:tatica
18:17:41 <spevack> As
18:17:44 <tatica> noup, I have been REALLY busy with flisol
18:17:52 <spevack> As I think about the details, I'll say more on FAMSCO list.
18:17:53 * ke4qqq has updated it a bit.
18:18:02 <tatica> I add some things, but I'm really running with the final details of flisol :\
18:18:13 * tatica thinks: this is my worst month in the year
18:18:25 * ke4qqq would almost suggest we forego an NA card - we have lots of CommArch people who can spend on our behalf here.....
18:19:01 <lfoppianoww> +1
18:19:12 <ke4qqq> since number of cards is a constraint
18:21:01 <susmit> so, should we move on?
18:21:06 <kital> sure
18:21:07 <spevack> yep.
18:21:36 <kital> Mentoring Survey is still very early stage
18:21:45 <kital> i have added valuable input from sankarshan
18:21:57 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Mentors_Survey#Notes_from_Sankarshan_to_reconsider
18:22:43 * tatica wants to nominee a mentor for latam
18:23:06 <kital> tatica we come back later to that - thanks for
18:23:06 <tatica> can be done here or must be through the list?
18:23:11 <tatica> oki
18:23:26 <kital> ke4qqq: is there something new on the survey software
18:23:27 <kital> ?
18:23:56 <ke4qqq> the test system for phpesp which will work for a simple survey is up on pt6 iirc
18:24:21 <susmit> ke4qqq, any link?
18:24:30 <kital> do you think we can draft something together till next week based on what i wrote in the wiki?
18:24:50 <ke4qqq> kital: yes I think thats accomplishable
18:26:16 <kital> #action kital ke4qqq work on "moving the  survey draft"
18:27:21 <kital> ok - i see susmits current items can be purged
18:27:39 <kital> they are already done
18:27:52 <kital> another thing i want to add here is - the March Report
18:28:03 <kital> we have got no input from latam this time
18:28:26 <kital> so we had to publish it without updates on latam
18:28:29 <kital> http://susmit.fedorapeople.org/report/famsco_report_mar_2010.html
18:28:39 <kital> thanks susmit for working it out
18:29:02 <susmit> kital, I use a script for it...but
18:29:16 <spevack> well, maybe RodrigoPadula and tatica were too busy with FLISOL and other things.  Hopefully we can have a lot from LATAM in April's document, because FLISOL will be a great success.
18:29:28 <susmit> I think we should start working on it at least a week earlier
18:29:31 <RodrigoPadula> sure
18:29:55 <ke4qqq> susmit: +1 most of the stuff isn't dependent on the last week, and would show us problems
18:30:11 <kital> sankarshan gave a feedback to the report with request that we should add a topic with plans for the coming month
18:30:15 <tatica> I don't have anything to report YET from Latam, as Max said... this is a planning month (at least for me)
18:30:15 <lfoppianoww> +1
18:30:16 <ke4qqq> for instance NA had no event reports - soi I was scrambling to harass people about event reports last minute
18:30:23 <RodrigoPadula> and the last friday we had an holiday, so I had to travel with my girlfriend :-)
18:30:36 <susmit> well, not to mean any personal offense, but it is not the first time we got delayed because of latam.
18:30:36 <RodrigoPadula> tatica, +1
18:31:06 <tatica> besides
18:31:21 <tatica> I sometimes get confused about what should I report from latam
18:31:35 <spevack> My view
18:31:45 <susmit> RodrigoPadula, tatica, can you please send a message across that there is no update from your part..that would be nice.
18:31:56 <kital> tatica: what was accomplished during your regional meetings?
18:31:58 <spevack> is that the regional sections are places to link to event reports, or to summarize 3 or 4 important things that happened in regional meetings that month, that others might want to know
18:32:03 <kital> tatica: collection of event reports
18:32:16 <susmit> spevack, both
18:32:34 <kital> spevack: ;) +1
18:32:48 <tatica> ok
18:33:11 <tatica> I think the most important to report is the budget
18:33:30 <tatica> except that this month has been quiet... you need to take 10 days of vacations of latam
18:33:57 <tatica> this past week was holiday in most of the countries
18:34:07 <RodrigoPadula> tatica, +1
18:34:36 <kital> no problem if there is no update just let us know about it
18:34:42 <tatica> got it
18:34:46 <spevack> we understand.  The simple fact is that the reports speak for themselves.  I would think that if we have a gap in ANY part of the report, the Ambassadors on the whole will say "let's make sure that doesn't happen again!"
18:35:25 <kital> i want bring up again the feedback from sankarshan!
18:35:48 <kital> do we want do add this topic? or is it enough to refer to our Agenda wiki page?
18:36:06 <kital> 20:30 < kital> sankarshan gave a feedback to the report with request that we should add a topic with plans for the coming month
18:36:14 <susmit> kital, I think we maintain the agenda/work list..it would be trivial if we want to add it to the report.
18:37:00 <tatica> what if we had a form to fill with several "important" issues that might be sometimes forgotten?
18:37:07 <susmit> the only question is: "How many months?"
18:37:08 <kital> +1 from me to add our agenda topics to future reports
18:37:14 <tatica> for example... I'm new... I don't have a clue of what should I report
18:37:30 <tatica> I made my last report just in base of what "I think" is important
18:37:41 <kital> susmit: just as "current action items" - if there are milestones we should have them on the agenda anyway
18:37:41 <tatica> and those things RodrigoPadula forget to mention
18:37:56 <tatica> would that worth?
18:37:58 <susmit> tatica, but you now have..don't you? :)
18:38:06 <tatica> just once
18:38:15 <tatica> and because latam had anything in the report
18:38:21 <tatica> again
18:39:32 <kital> can i have a vote on adding the agenda to the report? or do we need more discussion on it
18:39:36 <kital> ?
18:39:41 <susmit> what is done is done..but tatica, you now understand what to report...don't you?
18:39:42 <kital> 20:37 < kital> +1 from me to add our agenda topics to future reports
18:39:47 <tatica> yes
18:40:01 <susmit> nice. kital, +1
18:40:02 <lfoppianoww> +1
18:40:04 <RodrigoPadula> +1
18:40:09 <ke4qqq> kital: +1 from me
18:40:25 <tatica> +1
18:41:03 <RodrigoPadula> !
18:41:16 <RodrigoPadula> I would to like to talk about the FUDCon Latam
18:41:27 <kital> 6 + votes
18:41:31 <kital> RodrigoPadula: go on
18:41:37 <RodrigoPadula> ok...
18:42:11 <RodrigoPadula> We had some organizational problems with cancelled meetings
18:42:29 <RodrigoPadula> a letter requested by the university where the event will be held
18:42:41 <kital> #agreed to add the current action items from the famsco agenda to the monthly report
18:42:47 <RodrigoPadula> and the local problens in chile
18:42:57 <RodrigoPadula> now, we are reorganizing our schedule
18:43:01 <kital> RodrigoPadula: is there a wiki page for organization?
18:43:04 <RodrigoPadula> and this week we will have a meeting
18:43:09 <RodrigoPadula> yes
18:43:26 <RodrigoPadula> the organization page now is translated in spanish
18:43:33 <RodrigoPadula> to facilitate the local contribution
18:43:42 <RodrigoPadula> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010
18:43:55 <RodrigoPadula> and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning
18:44:15 <RodrigoPadula> the ambassadors from Chile are responsible by update this wiki pages
18:44:25 <RodrigoPadula> and we had some delays
18:44:29 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: what are the biggest blockers for LATAM FUDCon right now?
18:45:00 <RodrigoPadula> I'm in touch with the local ambassadors to complete this wiki pages until the next meeting
18:45:01 <tatica> earthquakes every day? lol
18:45:06 <RodrigoPadula> :-)
18:45:12 <ke4qqq> lol
18:45:30 <spevack> tatica: :)
18:45:32 <RodrigoPadula> so we will advance to the next step ( Event program and full agenda)
18:45:38 <tatica> is not a lol
18:45:53 <RodrigoPadula> I think this week I wil have more news about it
18:45:55 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: I was thinking that I should start helping to figure out the travel sponsorship part of FUDCon LATAM.
18:46:04 <RodrigoPadula> and I will send to FAMSCO all updates
18:46:04 <spevack> do you agree?
18:46:14 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, yes
18:46:29 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: ok, i will do that
18:46:30 <RodrigoPadula> We are talking with all latam guys that are interested to go to Chile
18:46:49 <RodrigoPadula> and asking locally what themes are more important to increase the local contributions to fedora
18:47:43 <RodrigoPadula> by now, only Dennis and Toshio are in the "Interested People to attend" List from USA
18:48:02 <RodrigoPadula> the rest of the list are guys from Latam
18:48:12 <ke4qqq> there are certailny more people interested in the US - but it's a bad balancing act
18:48:15 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: and pretty much everyone on the list needs sponsorship to attend
18:48:24 <RodrigoPadula> so, spevack , we have to talk with these interested people and study all possibilities
18:48:37 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, Yes, I'm worried about that
18:48:52 <tatica> I think you should get people that encourage other people RodrigoPadula
18:48:53 <RodrigoPadula> but, in chile we have a great number of ambassadors that can help
18:48:58 <RodrigoPadula> and do lectures
18:49:09 <tatica> I just add my name because "someone order me to"
18:49:23 <tatica> but people must not go to give a talk and then sit in a place in his/her pc
18:49:29 <kital> RodrigoPadula: maybe you should consider regular planing meetings like we have in india and also in emea
18:49:30 <tatica> people that can motivate other people
18:49:32 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: well, I am less worried about money, because it seems like we have no costs to use the venue, which means that most of the budget can be spent on helping community members to get there.
18:49:39 <tatica> that's the people you MUST take there
18:49:50 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: but we need a budget page for each FUDCon that shows what money we expect to be spending.
18:50:06 <tatica> eof
18:50:38 <rodrigo_padula> ops
18:50:40 <rodrigo_padula> We have and had a lot of meetings
18:50:42 <rodrigo_padula> by phone and IRC
18:51:06 <rodrigo_padula> and I'm talking directly to asalles ( local red hat employee and fedora leader)
18:51:16 <kital> rodrigo_padula ok
18:51:17 * ke4qqq hasn't seen any recent latam fudcon meetings announced on fudcon-planning list
18:51:37 * tatica can't attend to latam meetings cause all are at night
18:51:39 <tatica> :\
18:51:40 <rodrigo_padula> kital, by now we are doing only local metings
18:51:42 <rodrigo_padula> in spanish
18:52:05 <rodrigo_padula> I think great part of the fudcon-planning-list dont speack spanish
18:52:18 <rodrigo_padula> so, we are planning with a local focus
18:52:28 <tatica> that's not a problem rodrigo_padula .... spevack understand spanish
18:52:31 <kital> rodrigo_padula: if you want global attention you should at least announce it on the planning list
18:52:33 <ke4qqq> still a responsibility to keep things open and transparent
18:52:35 <tatica> but the last meetings had not a log
18:52:40 <rodrigo_padula> all meetings are announced in the latam list
18:52:47 <tatica> 3 days before....
18:52:57 <tatica> please... at least use a week to advice
18:53:02 <kital> global attention is not the latam list ;)
18:53:04 <rodrigo_padula> yes, because the meeting was cancelled
18:53:14 <rodrigo_padula> based on the number of people there
18:53:33 <tatica> that doesn't matter
18:53:42 <tatica> if is only you with asalles... that's a meeting
18:53:53 <tatica> and we... the people that can't attent want to know
18:53:57 <rodrigo_padula> tatica, you are in that list too
18:54:06 <tatica> yes... but you are not reading what I just said
18:54:08 <rodrigo_padula> so tatica you can write emails and help to spread the idea
18:54:18 * ke4qqq notes that fudcon india (where english isn't the predominant language) and fudcon emea (where english isn't the predominant) language are both using fudcon-planning list to at least announce what's going on - what's latam reason for not doing the same?
18:54:27 <tatica> there is no idea to spread if there is not a group to include
18:54:31 <susmit> rodrigo_padula, where do latam usually holds these meetings? #fedora-meeting-1?
18:54:41 <susmit> oops :)
18:54:42 <tatica> noup
18:54:44 <rodrigo_padula> fudcon-planning
18:54:47 <tatica> latam almost always use the list
18:54:52 <susmit> ok..
18:55:02 <tatica> irc meetings are almost always a failure because the time and internet conections
18:55:09 <tatica> I really did a hard try
18:55:11 <rodrigo_padula> as you can read here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning
18:55:14 <tatica> but like nobody help me...
18:55:23 * tatica lost another battle
18:55:34 <rodrigo_padula> the great problem in latam is
18:55:52 <rodrigo_padula> we schedule many meetings based on the best time proposed by the local members
18:55:57 <tatica> here we go...
18:56:00 <rodrigo_padula> but nobody is attending
18:56:13 * tatica keeps reading flisol mail list
18:56:13 <rodrigo_padula> we received a lot of emails with confirmations
18:56:14 <rodrigo_padula> but....
18:56:46 <ke4qqq> who is the local owner for fudcon latam?
18:56:53 <rodrigo_padula> Me and asalles
18:57:16 <rodrigo_padula> but the idea is to keep all ambassadors from Chile envolved
18:57:33 <ke4qqq> ok - it strikes me that you and asalles have the responsibility to make sure that this stays very transparent - and very public
18:57:47 <rodrigo_padula> ke4qqq,
18:57:57 <rodrigo_padula> sure, all informations are published on the wiki pages
18:58:12 <rodrigo_padula> so, all people interested can read there
18:58:22 <rodrigo_padula> including the meeting schedule and logs
18:58:43 <rodrigo_padula> and all meetings are in the #fudcon-planning IRC channell
18:58:46 * ke4qqq only sees two meeting logs there
18:58:51 <ke4qqq> why not announce them on the list?
18:58:51 <rodrigo_padula> Is that transparent enought ?
18:58:53 <susmit> rodrigo_padula, don't mind, but how do I fond out the wiki page/meeting log if you don't send the links somewhere?
18:59:00 <kital> fudcon-planning mailing list would be the right place imho
18:59:00 <susmit> s/fond/find
18:59:03 <ke4qqq> along with status of what's going on?
18:59:24 <lfoppiano> +1
18:59:25 <tatica> fudcon-planning mail list can be used in spanish too?
18:59:36 <ke4qqq> rodrigo_padula: it' forces people to come to you rather than you pushing content to them. IMO
18:59:40 <tatica> if not... I don't think is a good idea to plan a latam event in another language
18:59:52 <rodrigo_padula> tatica, +1
18:59:56 <rodrigo_padula> that is the question
19:00:09 <rodrigo_padula> and thinking in this way, we are using the latam list
19:00:24 <tatica> maybe a weekly report at fudcon-mailist is enough
19:00:27 <kital> tatica: at least the meeting times and important links and updates should be posted to the list so you get the attention such a event need
19:00:33 <lfoppiano> you can write on that mailing list also in 2 languages
19:00:34 <ke4qqq> spevack: am I off-base here?
19:00:37 <tatica> yeap... I'm pro that
19:00:43 <spevack> ke4qqq: not at all
19:00:49 <tatica> but the plan of this event must be in our local language
19:00:54 <susmit> well, that is not really a problem..you can send the links and updates to fudcon planning list in english.
19:00:54 <spevack> Personally, I would be fine to see stuff in spanish on fudcon-planning
19:00:55 <tatica> that's all I'm saying
19:01:00 <tatica> great
19:01:08 <lfoppiano> I think is not a problem
19:01:12 <tatica> +1 then
19:01:13 <spevack> I don't care what language it is in.  People can run it through a translator, and people can understand a lot just by looking at wiki pages.
19:01:19 <spevack> A budget page is a budget page, in any language.  :)
19:01:20 <susmit> exactly
19:01:26 <tatica> but PLEASE rodrigo_padula .... take at least a week to advice the meetings
19:01:28 <tatica> that's why nobody attend
19:01:30 <lfoppiano> at least people know something is going on
19:01:38 <tatica> a meeting can't be planned one day to the other
19:01:50 <ke4qqq> I don't think I am asking for you to plan in english - I just want you to show the world what you are doing rather than isolating everyone in a latam mailing list. I think what's going on in LATAM is important and hopefully exciting.
19:01:51 <rodrigo_padula> tatica, all meetings was scheduled with more than 1 week
19:01:56 <tatica> yeah, right
19:02:00 <rodrigo_padula> on the wiki page
19:02:24 <rodrigo_padula> I'm only sending reminds 2 or 3 days after
19:02:28 <tatica> ke4qqq, yup... a spanish plan and an english report every X time
19:02:33 <tatica> rodrigo_padula, WHAT!
19:02:41 <tatica> then send the reminders 1 week after
19:02:44 <tatica> before
19:02:44 <kital> rodrigo_padula: most people - including me ;) - need reminder ;)
19:02:45 <tatica> sorry
19:02:53 <tatica> everyone needs a reminder
19:03:00 <tatica> or a google calendar shared
19:03:01 <tatica> something
19:03:11 <rodrigo_padula> and some phone calls too
19:03:12 <tatica> but what I'm saying is that 2 days aren't enough
19:03:19 <rodrigo_padula> asalles is doing it frequently
19:03:20 <tatica> is a request... an ask
19:03:25 <tatica> bah
19:03:27 <rodrigo_padula> We schedule a meeting
19:03:27 * tatica bbl
19:03:29 <lfoppiano> a mail is better than Google stuffs
19:03:41 <rodrigo_padula> and sending mails but it'snt good enought
19:04:00 <rodrigo_padula> and in the meeting day asalles is calling the ambassadors from Chile to join
19:04:26 <rodrigo_padula> by now, the most important is to join all informations from Chile
19:04:30 <rodrigo_padula> to put in the wiki
19:04:36 <rodrigo_padula> so, it is a local job
19:05:07 <rodrigo_padula> from this week to the next months, we will work in the next steps with max
19:05:24 <rodrigo_padula> eof
19:05:29 <kital> thanks rodrigo_padula
19:05:51 <kital> tatica: you have another topic
19:06:00 <kital> mentor proposal?
19:06:03 <tatica> yes
19:06:22 <kital> go on
19:06:26 <susmit> I can guess who :)
19:06:34 <kital> neville?
19:06:35 <tatica> Neville Cross - yn1v
19:06:35 <tatica> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
19:06:42 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
19:06:45 <tatica> I think that is more than obvious that he is the one
19:07:03 <tatica> I was waiting until most of you could have the chance to meet him personally
19:07:07 <rodrigo_padula> +1
19:07:11 <susmit> tatica, have to talked to him about this?
19:07:21 <tatica> that's why I say no to the mktg invitation and give him the chance to attend
19:07:24 <kital> is he willing to work as a mentor
19:07:33 <tatica> yeap, but he still doesn't bealive I was actually gonna do it
19:07:34 <tatica> :)
19:07:41 <tatica> he is a mentor
19:07:48 <tatica> he just need the formal part
19:08:10 <tatica> for me.. he has been a great help
19:08:18 <kital> ok i think we all know neville and can vote on him here and now
19:08:19 <rodrigo_padula> +1
19:08:22 <tatica> even if some think that "be all day at irc" is a waist of time
19:08:24 <kital> +1 from me
19:08:31 <ke4qqq> +1 from me
19:08:32 <rodrigo_padula> Neville is helping us a lot in the central america
19:08:34 <tatica> this is how we make people happy and we teach to those who are away
19:08:38 <tatica> rodrigo_padula, no
19:08:38 <rodrigo_padula> +1 from me
19:08:40 <lfoppiano> 0 don't know him
19:08:46 <tatica> Neville is doing everything in central america
19:08:55 <tatica> things must be say as they are
19:09:09 <rodrigo_padula> tatica, and it isnt a help for us ?
19:09:20 <tatica> every ambassador new that cames from central america I send first to neville
19:09:24 <tatica> and we both evaluate
19:09:35 <tatica> so like I said, for me.. he is already a mentor
19:09:39 <tatica> votes?
19:09:49 <spevack> Neville is superb.
19:10:01 <kital> spevack: i take this as a +1
19:10:02 <spevack> It was great to meet him at the Marketing FAD.
19:10:02 <ke4qqq> Neville is very squared away, IMO.
19:10:03 <susmit> I know him for a long time, and he handles the freemedia membership service singly. :)
19:10:07 <spevack> yes +1
19:10:08 <susmit> +1 of course
19:10:12 <rodrigo_padula> +1
19:10:14 <ke4qqq> +1
19:10:32 <tatica> +1 (obvious)
19:10:37 <kital> ok i count 6 + and one 0
19:11:00 <spevack> we love Neville!
19:11:05 <tatica> lol,I already talk to him
19:11:05 <kital> ok ;)
19:11:08 <rodrigo_padula> auhauhaa
19:11:12 <kital> perfect
19:11:13 <tatica> emm.... please don't translate that into spanish
19:11:17 <tatica> is too literal
19:11:18 <tatica> lol
19:11:22 <spevack> heh
19:11:27 <rodrigo_padula> !
19:11:30 <kital> rodrigo_padula:
19:11:44 <rodrigo_padula> talking about the mentoring program
19:11:57 <rodrigo_padula> I've recommended Igor as a new mentor
19:12:14 <rodrigo_padula> but based on the Igor's IRC and MailList it was denied
19:12:31 <rodrigo_padula> I'm worried about that, because Igor is a very active member
19:13:01 <spevack> Most of the time, I don't feel qualified to vote +1 or not on mentors.  Unless it's someone I know like Neville.  I say to myself "if the folks in that region believe in the person, that is good enough for me"
19:13:05 <rodrigo_padula> and as I told in the FAMSCO lists, he is guinding and recommending new contributors since 2006 at pt_BR localizacion project
19:13:13 <susmit> Have not we gone through this in the mailing list?
19:13:22 <rodrigo_padula> Yes
19:13:53 <rodrigo_padula> So, I would like to recommend FAMSCO to interview or find another way to recommend or invite someone from Brazil to join the mentoring program
19:14:06 <tatica> that's not your job?
19:14:11 <rodrigo_padula> nops
19:14:17 <rodrigo_padula> that's not my job
19:14:18 <tatica> oh
19:14:25 <spevack> So wait a minute
19:14:40 <spevack> Igor was voted "no" on being made a mentor by famsco?
19:14:53 <rodrigo_padula> yes
19:15:24 <rodrigo_padula> now, I dont have more time to spend during the week with long time IRC chats and phone calls and emails to guide all new contributors from Brasil
19:15:34 <spevack> right
19:15:40 <rodrigo_padula> in Brasil I have a lot of people to guide
19:15:50 <kital> spevack: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-March/000102.html and following
19:16:05 <susmit> nope..he was not voted 'no' in a meeting. We expressed our reservations in the mailing list.
19:16:05 <rodrigo_padula> I think we are the 3. country in fedora ambassadors
19:16:16 <rodrigo_padula> so, I need help with this issue
19:16:25 <tatica> 0o
19:16:39 <tatica> <rodrigo_padula> I think we are the 3. country in fedora ambassadors <= may I ask what is this supposed to mean?
19:17:07 <rodrigo_padula> mean that we have a great number of local contributors to guide
19:17:18 <rodrigo_padula> and I dont have time to guide all local ambassadors
19:17:28 <rodrigo_padula> and interview and tallk with all new people
19:17:45 <rodrigo_padula> by irc... mail lists...
19:17:54 <susmit> but now you have yn1v
19:18:03 <tatica> :)
19:18:05 <rodrigo_padula> the big problem is
19:18:09 <tatica> and neville talk portuguese
19:18:16 <rodrigo_padula> in Brazil we talk portuguese
19:18:18 <tatica> talk/speak
19:18:25 <rodrigo_padula> and we need a local member to help
19:18:35 <rodrigo_padula> a people that know the local community and members
19:18:45 <rodrigo_padula> ambassadors from others contries will not help
19:18:47 <tatica> in fact... he help me when I was there and teach me lol
19:19:18 <rodrigo_padula> IMHO we need a local ambassador to be a mentor
19:19:28 * ke4qqq wants to run his mouth - perhaps out of turn here a bit - one of the problems (and it's not only in LATAM)
19:19:40 <kital> rodrigo_padula: from my previous email regarding igor "What do you think if we encourage him to provide more visibility in
19:19:43 <kital> Ambassadors first and let him also mentor some of your mentees first,  before we
19:19:47 <kital> add him as a official sponsor?"
19:19:51 <ke4qqq> is that people tend to not talk about the work they are doing outside of their environment.
19:19:54 <rodrigo_padula> as I told
19:20:10 <rodrigo_padula> Igor isnt in our maillists and IRC because he is envolved in other projects
19:20:30 <rodrigo_padula> with that new position, Igor will be more active here
19:20:34 <ke4qqq> we don't shout from the rooftops that we are doing awesome things in brazil or anywhere else - unless it's happening on a latam mailing list. That makes it awfully hard for people to judge
19:20:38 <ke4qqq> imo
19:20:40 <tatica> I have a question
19:20:55 <tatica> how many projects does Igor runs?
19:21:04 <ke4qqq> who is not helping rodrigo?? 15:18 < rodrigo_padula> ambassadors from others contries will not help
19:21:04 <tatica> will he have time to attend people? or will be the same that is happening with you rodrigo_padula ?
19:21:12 <spevack> There's a difference between saying "if we make someone a $FOO then they will be involved more" and "this person is really involved.  Look at all these messages, even if they are in a language you can't read.  Let's make him a $FOO"
19:21:18 <tatica> omfg... I didn't read that
19:21:19 <rodrigo_padula> I invited Igor personally to be a mentor
19:21:23 <tatica> now I feel offended
19:21:32 <susmit> spevack, +1
19:21:39 <rodrigo_padula> and I told to him all details about that new responsability
19:21:44 <tatica> bbl
19:21:55 <rodrigo_padula> He is interested to help and to be a mentor
19:22:08 <rodrigo_padula> He is helping me to guide new contributors since 2006 here
19:22:17 <rodrigo_padula> so, he is very appt to get that role
19:22:41 <rodrigo_padula> spevack, Igor is really envolved
19:23:10 <spevack> tatica: what offended  you?
19:23:12 <spevack> WTF
19:23:14 <rodrigo_padula> he was the leader of the pt_BR localization project since I leave this position
19:23:44 <tatica> 15:18 < rodrigo_padula> ambassadors from others contries will not help <== this spevack
19:23:48 <tatica> and I don't want to talk more
19:24:04 <spevack> So, here's my last question on this topic.
19:24:10 <spevack> And I guess I can just go look at the archives.
19:24:31 <spevack> Was Igor voted -1 because folks didn't think he'd been doing stuff, or because folks *couldn't see* what he had done?
19:24:38 <spevack> There's a big difference, if that makes any sense.
19:24:39 <rodrigo_padula> FAMSCO, I dont know why... but I cant talk one word here without a tatica fight/feal offended
19:24:55 * spevack thinks it's probably time to end this meeting.
19:25:21 <ke4qqq> +1 to ending this meeting
19:25:22 <rodrigo_padula> I would like to vote about the Igor recommendation as a mentor
19:25:28 <kital> i think it is already clarified by me here http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-March/000103.html
19:25:38 <susmit> kital, let's have a vote.
19:25:45 <tatica> +1 to ending this meeting
19:25:47 <rodrigo_padula> +1 from me
19:25:50 <susmit> that should settle it.
19:26:17 <kital> ok please vote on igor as a mentor regarding the ambassador approval process
19:26:46 <kital> -1 from me - until he is more active in ambassadors
19:26:49 <rodrigo_padula> +1 from me
19:26:51 <susmit> -1 from me
19:26:54 * spevack can't vote until he reads more on the list.
19:26:56 <spevack> 0 for now
19:26:58 <lfoppiano> 0 too confusion
19:27:21 <susmit> ke4qqq, tatica ?
19:27:34 * ke4qqq 0 for now - haven't seen his activity - which as I noted earlier is problematic across the project.
19:27:34 <tatica> 0
19:28:09 <lfoppiano> anyway if nothing changed since last time we talk, why we have to vote now?
19:28:12 <rodrigo_padula> Ok
19:28:37 <rodrigo_padula> tatica wins, flawless victory :)
19:28:44 <kital> so it is 1x+/2x-/4x0
19:28:52 <spevack> rodrigo_padula: most of us are saying "we're not ready to vote" not "we vote no"
19:28:54 <tatica> what?
19:29:05 <tatica> rodrigo_padula, wtf is your problem?
19:29:07 <spevack> rodrigo_padula: ultimately we want to all vote YES, we just need to see more, or look more closely first.
19:29:18 <spevack> tatica and rodrigo_padula -- let's just end this discussion :)
19:29:20 <rodrigo_padula> sure
19:29:35 <rodrigo_padula> I will talk to Igor to schedule a meetin withe all of you
19:29:39 <lfoppiano> rodrigo_padula what changed since last time?
19:29:41 <rodrigo_padula> will be better to decide
19:30:02 <lfoppiano> did his visibility changed?
19:30:31 <rodrigo_padula> lfoppiano, we cant think only in the visibility
19:30:42 <rodrigo_padula> we have to think in the capacity to help and to be a mentor
19:30:50 <lfoppiano> it was one of the points
19:31:01 <rodrigo_padula> the question here is
19:31:14 * inode0 is mostly thinking he wouldn't want to read this sort of stuff about himself in the meeting logs
19:31:15 <rodrigo_padula> I know Igor really well, but FAMSCO not
19:31:32 <spevack> inode0: that's for sure.
19:31:41 <rodrigo_padula> so, the best way is to schedule a meeting with Igor or invite him to join us in the next meeting
19:32:04 <kital> rodrigo_padula: no this is not the way i think it will work
19:32:15 <kital> i made my points
19:32:22 <lfoppiano> last time we discussed. people rise points, ask questions find what had to be improved...
19:32:33 <lfoppiano> what is changed sunset l
19:32:43 <spevack> inode0: I don't think anyone is being critical.  More of a "visibility" issue, IMHO.
19:32:45 <lfoppiano> since last time?
19:32:49 <rodrigo_padula> the idea is to invite Igor and FAMSCO can talk to him what he need to do to be a mentor
19:33:37 <lfoppiano> writing from a touch screen ma
19:34:09 <lfoppiano> is frustrating.... :(
19:34:33 <kital> rodrigo_padula: i have already wrote it in the discussion we had already and i do not agree with an inquiry on igor
19:34:44 * ke4qqq notes we are 34 minutes over schedule - and requests that we adjourn now.
19:34:52 <kital> i belive you that he is doing great think within his expertise
19:35:00 <lfoppiano> +1
19:35:09 <rodrigo_padula> ok, so we can abort my recomendation and look forward
19:35:45 <kital> s/great think/great things/
19:36:09 <kital> i think we should give others the chance to catch up on this topic via the mailing list
19:36:40 <kital> ke4qqq: +1
19:36:51 <kital> thanks all for joining the meeting
19:37:00 <lfoppiano> bb
19:37:05 <kital> #endmeeting