14:22:27 <kital> #startmeeting famsco - india regional townhall
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14:22:37 <kital> #chair spevack
14:22:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack
14:22:43 <kital> #chair ke4qqq
14:22:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: ke4qqq kital spevack
14:22:57 <kital> #topic roll call
14:23:08 <kital> Joerg Simon
14:23:47 <arrbee> Runa Bhattacharjee (FAS: runab)
14:24:07 * spevack is here
14:24:24 <spevack> but I'm running my weekly Community Architecture team meeting at the same time.  :P
14:24:34 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Community_Architecture_2010-03-22
14:24:56 <kital> ping hiemanshu sankarshan franciscod_ mether for roll call
14:25:04 <franciscod_> Ankur Sinha
14:25:05 <mether> Rahul Sundaram
14:25:09 * franciscod_ got dc
14:28:11 <kital> ok ;) - from the mailing list thread i thought we will have more attendees
14:28:53 <kital> susmit told me that we have not a regular agenda
14:29:47 <kital> are there specific topics you want to address for the agenda?
14:30:18 <franciscod> er, we have been wanting to discuss a FUDCon at India
14:30:33 <franciscod> im not sure how to start though, never been to one :(
14:30:39 <kital> good point - me too ;)
14:30:45 <franciscod> mether: initiate please? :P
14:30:57 <kital> anymore points to add
14:31:32 <mether> I am not sure what to add beyond things already discussed yest? Whats the purpose of repeating that
14:32:22 <franciscod> mether: yeah, agree,
14:32:25 <kital> mether: there where nothing beyond fudcon?
14:32:42 <franciscod> this is the link for the meet btw,
14:32:45 <franciscod> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2010-March/003117.html
14:32:51 <mether> not that I am aware of. Was anything else in the agenda? Sorry, I haven't been watching all the discussions
14:33:07 <franciscod> mether: not really, the thread mainly discussed timings ;)
14:33:24 <franciscod> kital: id like to talk a little about the freemedia in india
14:33:45 <franciscod> i have a sort of idea, but i got no clue to its feasibility etc
14:33:58 <mether> The only other repeated concern we have had afaik is that the long review queue puts off new contributors at times and we need to speed that up.
14:34:19 <mether> Susmit was working on a app but that has been rejected by infrastructure team I think
14:34:32 <franciscod> mether: app for autoreview? or free media?
14:34:40 <mether> free media
14:34:41 <kital> franciscod: lets see if we find time for it i feel not very competent because it is not really ambassadors duty
14:34:41 <sankarshan> Yes, I think the freemedia app is also under turbulence
14:35:08 <kital> lets start with the topic - fudcon india planing
14:35:17 <kital> #topic #fudcon india planing
14:35:32 <kital> i see there is a wiki page for it
14:35:34 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2010
14:35:51 <kital> fudcon planing has to be done along https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process
14:36:26 <kital> has fudcon india an owner so far?
14:36:44 <mether> I guess I will volunteer to be the owner
14:37:09 <franciscod> #agreed
14:37:15 <mether> To sum up the current status, there is a potential venue and we have to flush out the potential agenda before making progress
14:37:38 <mether> We discussed some ideas yesterday and we have yet to discuss what all we wanted to accomplish there
14:38:04 <franciscod> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-india/2010-03-21/fedora-india.2010-03-21-06.04.html
14:39:01 <franciscod> potential venues -> pune, bangalore
14:39:34 <franciscod> pune is higher on the list because we could probably host it at the SICSR (where gnunify.in was recently held)
14:40:19 <franciscod> the meeting minutes (the link i just pasted) has the ideas folks put forward as activities at the Conf
14:40:25 <kital> franciscod: what you have to keep in mind that we should be able to have as much as possible developers around
14:40:51 <franciscod> kital: yeah, mether mentioned that since most red hat engineers are at pune, pune makes a better spot :)
14:40:54 <kital> so it seems pune is the better place to get india developers - also from rh - involved
14:40:58 <kital> ?
14:41:02 <franciscod> #agreed
14:41:39 <mether> yes. I would prefer we use a limited budget more effectively that flying lots of people cross country.
14:41:43 * franciscod adds Pune to  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_and_FAD_locations#Asia.2FPacific
14:42:15 <kital> franciscod: is it possible to summarize all the communication - and post in the wiki?
14:42:24 <kital> along the bid process?
14:43:00 <franciscod> kital: you mean organize the meeting logs and post it? yeah, i can do that tonight
14:43:19 <kital> franciscod: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_and_FAD_locations#Zurich <- is a good example
14:43:32 <franciscod> kital: aye, ill do it tonight
14:43:52 <franciscod> #task franciscod summarize communications and update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_and_FAD_locations#Asia.2FPacific along the bid process
14:44:06 <kital> #action franciscod will summarize communications and update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_and_FAD_locations#Asia.2FPacific along the bid process
14:44:30 <franciscod> oops, sorry
14:44:43 <kital> sankarshan mether is there something from the rh pov that we have to consider?
14:45:31 <sankarshan> We'd need to figure out the parts that would wrap up into a budget proposal. I take it that the sooner we take a budget to spevack the better it is
14:45:57 <sankarshan> Along with the fact that we need to appreciate that a FUDCon would consume at least 4 dedicated months of anyone willing to help organize it.
14:46:54 <franciscod> sankarshan: what are issues that people like me (who are not at Pune) can help in?
14:47:07 <kital> it seems franciscod and mether are willing to support this and volunteer for it - but from the
14:47:59 <sankarshan> franciscod: Instead of rushing into what are the issues, I'd request you to look at the Organizing page, take a look at how your academic schedule is and, then arrive at what parts you think you can pick up and run with without impacting your studies
14:48:01 <kital> attendence of india contributors it seems they are the only one - besides also you sankarshan
14:48:12 * sankarshan wouldn't want to put your academic calendar in jeopardy
14:48:34 * franciscod notes
14:48:48 * kital will also volunteer as much as he can - from remote ;)
14:49:09 <franciscod> im sure hiemanshu will be willing to jump in too, he's unwell currently
14:49:19 <kital> and maybe also shrink?
14:49:43 * franciscod remembers that mbuf had initiated the discussion on FUDCon
14:50:08 <kital> franciscod: is mbuf still in europe?
14:50:14 <rishi> kital: No.
14:50:17 <rishi> He returned.
14:50:41 <franciscod> i havent seen him on the irc for a while, is probably busy with something
14:50:42 <sankarshan> The Organizing FUDCon page is adequately detailed in terms of what needs to be done and, by when. That should provide an indication of the load, should anyone volunteer to help organize.
14:51:04 <kital> sankarshan: +1
14:51:34 <kital> i would say also a fudcon-india organization team with regular meetings could make sense
14:51:59 <franciscod> by when do we need to finalize dates for it? that would help in thinking of the load
14:52:17 * sankarshan notes as an aside that he'd like to see a bit more enthusiasm from the Ambassador corps
14:52:23 <franciscod> milestones etc
14:52:28 <kital> what is a good regional period?
14:52:44 <sankarshan> If you are looking for international speakers, the last possible date is first week of Nov (before Thanksgiving etc)
14:52:54 <yevlempy> hi all
14:52:58 <sankarshan> count-back from there ... you have your starting date
14:53:41 <franciscod> end of october - 1st week of November
14:54:20 <kital> and we should also consider that we will have also a fudcon around that time in emea
14:54:56 <franciscod> foss.in would be in dec too i think
14:55:53 <franciscod> would it be a good idea to populate the FUDCon india page with these events?
14:56:00 <franciscod> to narrow down the dates ?
14:56:25 <mether> yeah. we dont want to conflict or be too close to another major event - be it fudcon or a regional one
14:57:01 <franciscod> #action franciscod will note down events around October November at the FUDCon India page
14:57:14 <kital> franciscod: perfect
14:57:32 <kital> i am sure that also susmit will help to get this on the way
14:58:38 <kital> i think sankarshan made a important point - to encourage the Ambassadors to help with that - any ideas?
14:59:07 <franciscod> kital: hold regular meetings with FUDCon at the agenda for one
15:00:13 <kital> #idea hold regular meetings with FUDCon at the agenda for one - to encourage the regional ambassador corps
15:01:09 <franciscod> get them more involved, so they'd want activities at the FUDCon that they can take part in?
15:01:27 <sankarshan> take part in + take ownership of
15:02:47 <franciscod> sankarshan: ideas on how to do this? things like irc work sessions etc?
15:03:21 <sankarshan> If the Ambassadors choose to respond on mailing lists I guess we have a better chance of good IRC sessions
15:03:24 * ke4qqq apologizes for his lateness - $dayjob pulled me away
15:03:40 <sankarshan> Else it would be the same old coots talking with each other and, planning the world domination some day
15:04:00 <kital> could it be a motivation - if a ambassador make measureable contribution to the planning we sponsor his fudcon attendance?
15:04:08 <kital> or is this the wrong approach
15:04:12 <kital> i am not sure?
15:04:15 <sankarshan> It could be. But Ambassadors are not measured.
15:04:23 <franciscod> where do we have max ambassadors? what region i mean? sankarshan: any idea?
15:04:25 <sankarshan> Or at least no one has thought about it
15:04:38 <kital> sankarshan: ;) - maybe we will soon
15:04:46 <franciscod> kital: some of us do get sponsored, if thats what youre referring to
15:04:49 <sankarshan> mether: We do have a page listing the Ambs from India don't we ?
15:05:09 <yevlempy> franciscod, i think banglore or west bengal.
15:05:16 <kital> sankarshan: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification#India_.2850.29
15:05:18 <mether> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList#India_.2850.29
15:05:22 <sankarshan> It is trivial to visualize the quantum of contributions a packager or, a developer makes. A bit difficult for Ambs
15:05:53 <franciscod> sankarshan: mether : the page doesnt exactly give the correct idea, i havent ever heard from quite a few of them
15:06:00 <mether> anyway, the raw count of ambassadors doesnt mean much.
15:06:08 <franciscod> neither on the channels, nor the list
15:06:16 <sankarshan> Oh, let's not get into who you hear from ... and, whom you don't
15:06:27 <sankarshan> the current Ambassador process allows enough leeway to be silent
15:06:31 <kital> franciscod: we cleaned them up some weeks ago
15:06:40 * sankarshan isn't happy with that. But that doesn't matter either
15:06:49 <franciscod> i was thinking of holding a FAD or something similiar at a place where maximum ambassadors could attend
15:07:01 <franciscod> hence the query on max from which region
15:07:13 * yevlempy agrees with franciscod
15:07:36 <mether> with the new privacy policy, i dont think we have that listed anywhere
15:07:49 <susmit> holla, is it still on?
15:07:58 <franciscod> maybe, meeting folks in person and working with them works like an ignition?
15:08:06 <franciscod> susmit: yep :)
15:08:24 <susmit> great..I was caught in german class..sorry :)
15:08:46 <kital> mether: https://fedoraproject.org/membership-map/ambassadors.html at least some of them
15:08:57 <kital> susmit: hi
15:09:21 <kital> susmit: we discussing fudcon planning
15:09:26 <susmit> kital, hi
15:09:31 <susmit> yes, i know
15:09:46 <kital> franciscod: has taken ownership to create a wiki entry along the fudcon bid process
15:10:11 <kital> we all agreed that we need at least 4 month dedicated planning to get a good fudcon running
15:10:12 <susmit> *sigh*
15:10:17 <franciscod> susmit: http://fpaste.org/8SRt/ most of the logs are here
15:10:33 <franciscod> susmit: why the sigh?
15:10:36 <ke4qqq> at least 4 - and more likely 6
15:11:25 <sankarshan> 6 more likely if it is a first time
15:11:30 * sankarshan agrees with ke4qqq
15:11:46 <kital> franciscod: will also check events around October November so we have no collision with regional events
15:12:08 <susmit> franciscod, I am yet to go through the log..but the bidding thing is the lest important thing IMHO.. it would be better if we find tasks that we want to do there and their respective owners.resp
15:12:40 <kital> we need to get the ambassadors taking ownership of organization tasks - and we need to find out how we can do that
15:13:02 <franciscod> step one is like we discussed, get them more involved
15:13:18 <kital> susmit: the bid process is required by the board to approve it
15:13:48 <yevlempy> susmit, kital +1
15:14:04 <kital> i also think a core planing team should be build who made weekly meeting to set the planning and the milestones
15:14:11 <kital> and keep on it
15:15:13 <franciscod> kital: how do we begin forming the core team?
15:16:49 <kital> i think this team has still found each other - if we
15:17:17 <kital> mether and you volunteered to take ownership -
15:17:58 <franciscod> kital: thats just two of us, im assuming the core team will have more folks :P
15:18:07 <kital> i think shakti is also interested to help out in this team
15:18:23 <kital> franciscod: ownership = lead
15:18:32 <kital> franciscod: power to delegate
15:18:52 <franciscod> kital: never done it before , first time :$
15:19:03 <susmit> I shall help as much as I can.
15:19:07 * franciscod is getting nervous ;)
15:19:09 * kital too
15:19:29 <susmit> But I prefer others to  take lead and do things..specially new people.
15:19:41 <franciscod> +1 to that
15:19:42 <ke4qqq> franciscod: for the most part - neither has anyone else.
15:19:47 * yevlempy will love to take some responsibility
15:20:04 <kital> franciscod: getting the date, getting the place and venue, getting the developers/contributors, getting accomodation, getting people motivated to help with the organization
15:20:32 <kital> s/help/take ownership/
15:21:37 <kital> sankarshan: are you able to mentor the fudcon planning core team
15:21:38 <kital> ?
15:21:56 <sankarshan> nope
15:22:02 <kital> sankarshan: ok ;)
15:22:44 <sankarshan> Personally, I feel that we are required to quickly organize a meeting in-person to actually figure how things are before getting into the great race for a FUDCon
15:23:30 <sankarshan> FUDCon is somewhat a strongly branded event and, not getting all pieces fixed would lead to delays etc
15:23:46 <sankarshan> It is imperative to gel well before going out and doing the drill
15:24:28 <kital> sankarshan: but fudcon is also something that is supported by the fedora board and if we have a good and clear bid page - they will support us
15:24:34 * franciscod is probably going to be in bangalore all summer vacation
15:25:41 <sankarshan> kital: Let me spend some time thinking over it. More than a FUDCon, my main gripe is the lack of active Ambassadors, the lack of being able to see what the Ambassadors are doing and, more importantly, the need to get a few contributors together to get some work/hacking done
15:26:10 <susmit> kital, as I am saying this nth number of time...the real problem is not persuading the board, neither it is fixing the venue...the real problem is to figure out what we want to achieve out of it. I am not sure if we are sure about that yet.
15:26:43 <franciscod> susmit: ideas?
15:26:44 <ke4qqq> susmit: I think that's very important - and a prerequisite to all of the other stuff mentioned
15:26:53 <kital> susmit: +1
15:28:07 <ke4qqq> so what is to be achieved at the event? <-- this needs an owner - and lots of input from others
15:28:09 <kital> lets the fudcon india a place to learn new things
15:28:50 <kital> now we scared franciscod_ away? ;)
15:28:54 <ke4qqq> :)
15:29:09 <franciscod_> bleh, them powercuts :(
15:29:41 <susmit> franciscod, as sankarshan was saying, ideas does not fall from trees. We need to work hard towards preparing the goal and the players..and we need to work on it fast. So far we have not thought about it, let's think that out first...then we will prepare for fudcon.
15:30:16 <kital> i also think we should meet again to this topic!
15:30:48 <kital> set up a regular fudcon-india planing  meeting - would this make sense?
15:31:09 <ke4qqq> +1 and this should also start hitting the fudcon-planning list
15:31:17 <franciscod> +1
15:31:37 <susmit> kital, kind of..yes.
15:31:46 * franciscod goes to join the fudcon-planning-list
15:31:50 <kital> susmit: ;)
15:31:56 <kital> susmit: but?
15:32:00 <yevlempy> yevlempy, +!
15:32:35 <kital> not to forget yevlempy who also wants to take ownership!
15:32:38 <kital> ;)
15:32:38 * yevlempy joins franciscod
15:32:42 <franciscod> +1 with the regular fudcon-india planning meet
15:33:32 <kital> volunteers to take ownership to organize and chair this meetings?
15:34:08 <franciscod> kital: thats a question? or are you taking ownership :P ?
15:34:29 <kital> that is a question - i think from my emea pov i am in the wrong timezone
15:35:07 * franciscod isnt sure he should take ownership of a third thingy yey
15:35:10 * franciscod looks at yevlempy
15:35:20 * franciscod nudges yevlempy
15:35:24 <kital> ;)
15:35:40 <kital> mether ? maybe you?
15:35:42 * ke4qqq watches franciscod shove yevlempy in front of the bus that is chairing the meeting
15:36:04 * sankarshan doesn't see mether in person
15:36:09 <kital> ke4qqq: and busses in india are dangerous!!!
15:36:21 <ke4qqq> :)
15:36:51 <franciscod> yevlempy: oei!!
15:36:52 <susmit> kital, not always.. if you stand in the bus stop, they are "almost" fine.
15:36:59 <susmit> ;)
15:37:02 <kital> susmit: ;)
15:37:27 <franciscod> either yevlempy isnt around, or he's bent on not doing it :P
15:37:28 <kital> susmit: not if hiemanshu pushes you over the street
15:37:47 <yevlempy> franciscod, not that , was a bit away
15:37:50 <ke4qqq> franciscod: commit him anyway :)
15:38:09 <susmit> you had chosen the wrong person to cross the road with ;)
15:38:31 <yevlempy> It will be a first time for me, i think we need some experienced people
15:38:33 <kital> yevlempy: can you take ownership to organize and chair a regular fudcon-india planning meeting?
15:38:56 <kital> yevlempy: it is just get the people to the meeting - keep the agenda straight
15:39:02 <franciscod> #action yevlempy will take ownership to organize and chairing regular fudcon-india planning meetings
15:39:10 <yevlempy> kital, ok
15:39:10 <franciscod> kital: ^ answered
15:39:17 <kital> #action yevlempy will take ownership to organize and chairing regular fudcon-india planning meetings
15:39:22 <kital> super
15:39:26 <franciscod> yevlempy: we'll all be there, no shortage of help :)
15:39:57 * yevlempy needs help from all members on it
15:40:03 <yevlempy> franciscod, ok
15:40:15 <kital> yevlempy: i suggest you keep this time for the meeting?
15:40:32 <yevlempy> kital, ok
15:40:37 <franciscod> evenings, preferred weekends? < - susmit mether sankarshan ?
15:41:32 * sankarshan doesn't prefer weekend meetings. If they are on weekends, he catches up via logs and queries
15:41:52 <kital> let it be monday 15:15 utc?
15:42:11 * franciscod is fine with that timing
15:42:25 <sankarshan> If I miss it, I'll catch up. Don't block it on me.
15:42:35 <yevlempy> kital, i have my classes then, can it be extended 1 hour more
15:43:30 <kital> do the others agree with monday 16:15 UTC?
15:43:36 <franciscod> +1
15:43:40 <franciscod> #agreed
15:43:56 <susmit> yevlempy, drop a mail to fedora-india and lug-lists. also blog about it too..then students will know that there is something to attend
15:44:26 <kital> ok lets make it so
15:44:31 <yevlempy> susmit, ok will do that at night
15:44:53 <franciscod> kital: have you attended a fudcon before?
15:45:20 <kital> franciscod: i helped to organize the fudcon berlin last year
15:45:23 <franciscod> someone with the experience could tell us what goes on, might help in the "deciding goals" job
15:45:41 <franciscod> kital: how did the team go about deciding goals to achieve?
15:46:18 * susmit thinks franciscod is nervous
15:46:41 * franciscod doesnt want to lose anymore time on "thinking how to decide goals"
15:46:54 <franciscod> heard that too many times lately :|
15:47:15 <kital> franciscod: we had just a simple goal - gather as many contributors as possible and take care for them
15:47:22 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDConBerlin2009
15:47:27 <franciscod> susmit: how does that sound? ^
15:47:27 <franciscod> ?
15:47:54 <franciscod> we rather begun our discussion on what would people be doing at the FUDCon
15:47:55 * ke4qqq notes there is #fudcon-planning channel as well
15:48:07 <franciscod> at the meet on saturday IIRC
15:49:01 <kital> ok - lets start up with the action items we have already
15:49:18 <susmit> franciscod, you don't have to make a decision today itself..let's start working on it na dsee how it goes.
15:49:22 <kital> i look forward to have a india fudcon planing meeting next monday
15:49:57 <franciscod> yevlempy: ^ note that :P
15:50:07 * kital is happy to have franciscod and yevlempy involved in the fudcon core team!
15:50:27 * franciscod is happy to be in the fudcon core team :)
15:50:48 <kital> perfect -
15:50:55 * yevlempy has strated noting things already ;)
15:51:01 <kital> more questions to famsco?
15:51:22 * yevlempy too is
15:52:01 * franciscod cant think of anything, probably the empty tummy
15:53:09 * yevlempy needs help from franciscod while drafting the mail and sending it lugs etc at night
15:53:28 <franciscod> yevlempy: im always around on -india
15:54:18 <franciscod> kital: do we call the meeting to a close then?
15:54:34 <kital> yeah - i close the meeting
15:54:38 <kital> #endmeeting