16:06:59 <nasirhm> #startmeeting Fedora i3 (2020-07-21)
16:06:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jul 21 16:06:59 2020 UTC.
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16:07:15 <nasirhm> #meetingname i3
16:07:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i3'
16:07:40 <nasirhm> #chair defolos x3mboy jwf
16:07:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: defolos jwf nasirhm x3mboy
16:07:53 <nasirhm> #topic Agenda
16:08:05 <nasirhm> #info (1) Roll call
16:08:14 <nasirhm> #info (2) Announcements
16:08:31 <nasirhm> #info (3) i3 SIG's presence at Nest with Fedora
16:08:46 <nasirhm> #info (4) Creating a simple template on Fedora-i3's pagure ticket tracker for ease of packages requests
16:09:05 <nasirhm> #info (5) Proposal on the Goal of the spin
16:09:21 <nasirhm> #info (6) Open Floor and Package discussions
16:09:41 <nasirhm> #topic Roll Call
16:09:48 <nasirhm> .hello2
16:09:49 <zodbot> nasirhm: nasirhm 'Nasir Hussain' <nasirhussainm14@gmail.com>
16:09:53 <nasirhm> 👋
16:10:40 <defolos> .hello2
16:10:41 <zodbot> defolos: defolos 'Dan Čermák' <dan.cermak@cgc-instruments.com>
16:11:13 <nasirhm> Anyone from the Telegram side ?
16:11:37 <fedi3bridgerbot> <D​efolos> me :-P
16:12:16 <nasirhm> Great, We've got 2 Defoloss now :D
16:12:39 <nasirhm> How's everyone doing ?
16:13:33 <defolos> eh, would rather not comment on that, last days were rough
16:14:14 <nasirhm> defolos: Hoping for things to get better at your side, I'm having some similar workdays.
16:14:58 <x3mboy[m]> .hello x3mboy
16:14:58 <defolos> work is actually fine, unfortunately will not be able to make another openQA livestream tomorrow
16:14:59 <zodbot> x3mboy[m]: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
16:15:07 <defolos> will have to skip until next week
16:15:20 <defolos> and probably also won't manage to submit a talk for flock/nest…
16:16:01 * nasirhm is looking forward to your Livestream, It had taught me how to get started with OpenQA without reading those Gigantic but Informative and Helpful docs. :D
16:16:11 <nasirhm> x3mboy: o/
16:16:20 <defolos> 👋
16:16:27 <x3mboy[m]> nasirhm:  \o
16:16:33 <x3mboy[m]> defolos: o/
16:17:47 <nasirhm> <defolos "and probably also won't manage t"> defolos: If you would like you can help with the i3 SiGs presence at Nest, We're gonna be discussing about it in today's meeting.
16:17:59 <nasirhm> #topic Announcements
16:18:44 <nasirhm> #info We've got a ready to test respin with i3 and some packages. Kindly test and share your feedback
16:19:51 <nasirhm> #info Nest With Fedora CfP open, acceptance dates: Monday 20 July - Monday 27 July
16:20:30 <nasirhm> Does someone has any announcements from their side ?
16:20:39 <nasirhm> s/someone/anyone/
16:21:10 <defolos> I might pre-record a talk/workshop for nest, but currently I got too much irl stuff going on to manage
16:21:18 <defolos> so unfortunately unlikely
16:22:01 <nasirhm> Best of luck for it defolos :)
16:23:09 <nasirhm> #topic i3 SIG's presence at Nest with Fedora
16:23:33 <nasirhm> #link https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/issue/8
16:23:49 <nasirhm> I see x3mboy has a +1 there.
16:24:07 <x3mboy[m]> defolos: good look
16:24:30 <x3mboy[m]> I think we could do like a hackfest, but still not present the Spin yet
16:24:39 * defolos needs to go afk for a bit
16:24:40 <x3mboy[m]> We are still working
16:24:52 <x3mboy[m]> * defolos: good luck
16:25:13 <nasirhm> defolos: No worries defolos .
16:25:49 <nasirhm> <x3mboy[m] "I think we could do like a hackf"> Hmm, This does sound interesting and present our Vision for spin and do a call for volunteers and testers, What do you think ?
16:26:09 <Southern_Gentlem> .hello2 jbwillia
16:26:10 <zodbot> Southern_Gentlem: Sorry, but you don't exist
16:26:15 <Southern_Gentlem> .hello jbwillia
16:26:16 <zodbot> Southern_Gentlem: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' <vaioof@gmail.com>
16:26:24 <x3mboy[m]> Hi Ben o/
16:26:33 <nasirhm> Southern_Gentlem: Hey Ben, how're you doing ?
16:26:35 <x3mboy[m]> <nasirhm "Hmm, This does sound interesting"> That sounds good
16:26:52 <Southern_Gentlem> reading back
16:27:01 <x3mboy[m]> I'm running a workshop about marketing and design, so I probably won't be able to run this one
16:27:16 <x3mboy[m]> I can attend if it's proposed
16:28:03 <Southern_Gentlem> so isnt today, that the change proposal has to be filed
16:29:05 <nasirhm> x3mboy: I'm planning for a talk myself along with some other stuff. I can run it but hope it doesn't clash with other ones.
16:29:26 <x3mboy[m]> Well, we can co-host
16:29:34 <x3mboy[m]> That way both can parallel work
16:30:22 <nasirhm> Southern_Gentlem: I think, We can move it as F34 Self Contained Proposal. As we're not ready yet. What do you and others think ?
16:30:44 <nasirhm> x3mboy: Sounds like a Good idea.
16:30:49 <nasirhm> Can you help me with the proposal ?
16:31:39 <Southern_Gentlem> well considering the people that suppose to be working on the proposal are not here
16:33:43 <x3mboy[m]> <nasirhm "Can you help me with the proposa"> Sure
16:33:50 <x3mboy[m]> <Southern_Gentlem "well considering the people that"> ???
16:34:03 <nasirhm> Southern_Gentlem: People here are pretty supportive and helpful when it comes to work, It's just they're a little busy with life nowadays.
16:35:19 <nasirhm> #agreed nasirhm and x3mboy would be working on the i3's presence at Nest with Fedora's proposal.
16:35:33 <Southern_Gentlem> ok just let me know when you want a spin created
16:36:04 <nasirhm> Southern_Gentlem: Thank you for building the respins. :)
16:36:59 <nasirhm> #topix Creating a simple template on Fedora-i3's pagure ticket tracker for ease of packages requests
16:37:37 <nasirhm> oops.
16:37:59 <nasirhm> #topic Creating a simple template on Fedora-i3's pagure ticket tracker for ease of packages requests
16:39:50 <nasirhm> Zodbot you there ?
16:40:13 <x3mboy[m]> I think we first need to have final package list
16:41:00 <x3mboy[m]> Before starting receiving packages request
16:41:01 <nasirhm> x3mboy: I think we have that on Brainstorm page as `i3-minimal`
16:41:56 <nasirhm> But still it would be good to have that on a seperate finalized page :)
16:43:20 <x3mboy[m]> Do we consider that final?
16:43:59 <nasirhm> x3mboy: Hmm, How about having it for the next meeting to have a quick voting session on each package ?
16:44:30 <x3mboy[m]> Sure
16:45:25 <nasirhm> No discussions on them as we're already done and a -1/0/+1 would work fine for that :)
16:45:50 * jwf waves
16:46:20 <nasirhm> #agreed Add a topic for the agenda for the next meeting on Finalizing the packages on Brainstorm page with a quick voting session. (nasirhm)
16:46:33 <nasirhm> jwf:  o/
16:47:44 <nasirhm> #topic Proposal on the Goal of the spin
16:48:05 <x3mboy[m]> I think we need to include bcotton in our next meeting
16:48:27 <x3mboy[m]> He can help us with the definition of our text matrix
16:48:31 <nasirhm> #link https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/issue/10
16:48:36 <x3mboy[m]> Ooops
16:48:42 <x3mboy[m]> SOrry, I'm off-topic
16:48:49 <x3mboy[m]> * Sorry, I'm off-topic
16:49:02 <nasirhm> x3mboy: Let's talk about it on the Open Floor
16:49:15 <nasirhm> <nasirhm "#link https://pagure.io/i3-sig/F"> What do you think about this ?
16:51:11 <nasirhm> I see a comment by jwf , jwf as far as i know we've achieved our basic goal on creating a most minimalistic fedora on a Window manager except we have 1 bug and 1 fix required:
16:51:11 <nasirhm> Bug: GTK Race Condition error
16:51:11 <nasirhm> Fix needed: Wallpaper not available on live. (nasirhm is working on this one.)
16:52:46 <x3mboy[m]> I think the proposal is good
16:52:55 <x3mboy[m]> But not sure if we want to "making more friendly"
16:53:24 <x3mboy[m]> I think the idea is make it "more approachable"
16:53:34 <x3mboy[m]> * I think the idea wasn't make it "more approachable"
16:53:42 <x3mboy[m]> But more ready-to-use to powerusers
16:54:02 <x3mboy[m]> But still, it sounds good
16:54:29 <x3mboy[m]> That's why I think we need to see what things are minimally required
16:54:39 <nasirhm> x3mboy: Hmm, this does sound interesting about ready-to-use for powerusers, I'm looking forward for some input from others.
16:55:12 <nasirhm> <x3mboy[m] "That's why I think we need to se"> I agree, we have to get the most minimal and usable things to give i3 a full Spin look :D
16:55:38 <x3mboy[m]> The ticket is 2 days old, let's ask for feedback for the other members
16:56:32 <x3mboy[m]> Also, like I was saying, bcotton, that is the FPgM, can help us by saying what things should be included
16:57:08 <jwf> x3mboy[m]: It is an English thing perhaps, to me, more friendly == more approachable
16:57:45 <jwf> Someone who is using Linux for the very first time is not likely the right person to use Fedora i3. But someone who is more of a Linux person and is ready to try something new should be able to get going quickly after starting with the spin
16:57:53 <nasirhm> It would indeed be helpful to have bcotton in out next meeting, anyone here would like to invite him ?
16:58:17 <x3mboy[m]> e.g.: I don't want to include LibreOffice, but if being able to open documents is a reqiurement we will need to include it
16:58:32 <nasirhm> jwf: You made me an i3 person :D .
16:58:48 <jwf> nasirhm: I know bcotton is a busy guy, but he is pretty good about following up to emails or ticket pings. It might help to be clear in asking him where he can best help us
16:58:57 <jwf> where/how
16:59:05 <jwf> nasirhm: :)
16:59:31 <nasirhm> <x3mboy[m] "e.g.: I don't want to include Li"> I think we would have to ensure a minimal phrase while discussing about packages and include only which fit our crieteria of being minimal and helps our spin become more approachable
17:00:14 <jwf> Maybe it would help for us to brainstorm 3-4 universal rules we try to stick to in all decisions we make in i3
17:00:23 <jwf> Then it gives us a more objective way to decide if something "fits" or not
17:00:30 <jwf> Since a lot of this stuff is really personal anyways
17:00:30 <nasirhm> jwf++ I would also suggest creating an Email thread or a ticket for his feedback and suggestions.
17:01:18 <nasirhm> <jwf "Maybe it would help for us to br"> It's a massive +1 to it and formalize things a bit.
17:01:19 <jwf> I can take an action item to propose a basic set of principles for i3 Spin in the ticket: https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/issue/10
17:01:30 <jwf> And then everyone can either agree or disagree with me in the next meeting :D
17:02:05 <nasirhm> jwf: Thank you for taking the issue :)
17:02:12 <jwf> nasirhm: If you could take an action item to ping bcotton in one or two of our tickets where his feedback is helpful, that would be awesome
17:02:37 <x3mboy[m]> I can
17:02:49 <jwf> #action jwf Propose basic set of principles for Fedora i3 Spin as a framework to make future decisions and answering future questions (e.g. what text editor do we ship? what packages do we include by default? etc.)
17:02:59 <jwf> x3mboy[m]: Awesome, if you have bandwidth that would be super too :)
17:03:07 <nasirhm> .chair jwf
17:03:07 <zodbot> jwf is seated in a chair with a nice view of a placid lake, unsuspecting that another chair is about to be slammed into them.
17:03:09 <jwf> Feel free to write an #action for the meeting minutes
17:03:16 <jwf> Ouch zodbot!
17:03:47 <nasirhm> #chair jwf
17:03:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: defolos jwf nasirhm x3mboy
17:04:22 <nasirhm> jwf: Assigned the issue.
17:04:31 <nasirhm> #topic Open Floor
17:04:38 * nasirhm have to go in 5 mins
17:05:40 <nasirhm> I recall x3mboy had something related to our test matirx
17:06:29 <nasirhm> zodbot: You're not kind anymore !!! (/me just discovered one of the hidden treasured of zodbot)
17:06:31 <x3mboy[m]> Well, my main concern now, is that test matrixes (Sorry, I don't know how to say matrix in plural in English) have serveral stuff that we are skipping
17:06:56 <jwf> nasirhm: Cool. I have my action item for the principles. I will follow up in a ticket comment. Also have to run!
17:07:07 <jwf> x3mboy[m]: Matrices. It is a weird plural form.
17:07:22 * jwf hops off
17:07:30 <nasirhm> jwf: Thanks for taking it, Matrices reminds me of my maths class
17:07:31 <jwf> x3mboy[m]: Curious what you mean though we are skipping?
17:07:52 <nasirhm> x3mboy: Can you kindly create a ticket to track it on Pagure ?
17:08:15 <x3mboy[m]> Help viewer, archive manager, add new printer
17:08:26 <x3mboy[m]> And stuff like that jwf
17:08:42 <x3mboy[m]> But yes, I will create a ticket and there I will ping bcotton for clarification
17:08:45 * nasirhm has to go, have a good day everyone. Can someone please close the meeting after the discussion.
17:08:54 * nasirhm is off
17:08:59 <x3mboy[m]> I think a power-user normally set what it suits better to him
17:09:17 <x3mboy[m]> Close the meeting , but first action me with that ticket
17:14:56 <x3mboy[m]> #action x3mboy will create a ticket about the test matrix for the i3 spin, hopefully pinging bcotton
17:15:01 <x3mboy[m]> #endmeeting
17:15:14 <x3mboy[m]> #closemeeting
17:15:18 <x3mboy[m]> Oh
17:16:29 <x3mboy> #action x3mboy will create a ticket about the test matrix for the i3 spin, hopefully pinging bcotton
17:16:40 <x3mboy> #endmeeting