14:02:10 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Fedora Diversity & Inclusion Team (2021-1-21) 14:02:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 29 14:02:10 2021 UTC. 14:02:10 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:02:10 <zodbot> The chair is riecatnor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:10 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:02:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_diversity_&_inclusion_team_(2021-1-21)' 14:02:10 <riecatnor> #meetingname diversity 14:02:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' 14:02:10 <riecatnor> #nick di-team 14:02:10 <riecatnor> #chair riecatnor 14:02:10 <riecatnor> .members diversity-team 14:02:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: riecatnor 14:02:11 <riecatnor> #topic roll call 14:02:11 <zodbot> riecatnor: Members of diversity-team: @amsharma @bee2502 bt0dotninja chhavi @jflory7 @jonatoni lilyx +marinaz +meskarune nikhilkathole orionstar25 pyadav ramyaparimi recursedd @riecatnor siddharthvipul1 @tatica x3mboy 14:02:15 <luna> ah its the same in norweigan aswell 14:02:17 <luna> o/ 14:02:20 <riecatnor> .hello riecatnor 14:02:21 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com> 14:02:33 <osezer> .hello thunderbirdtr 14:02:34 <zodbot> osezer: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com> 14:02:36 <riecatnor> hello d&i friends! 14:02:42 <luna> hei 14:03:18 <tg-fed-di2> <rparimi> Hello everyone 14:03:25 <tg-fed-di2> <rparimi> .hello rparimi 14:03:26 <BreadMouseSheHer> Hello 14:03:30 <riecatnor> heya rparimi ! 14:03:49 <tg-fed-di2> <rparimi> .hello ramyaparimi 14:04:01 <riecatnor> just waiting a few for people to arrive :) 14:04:06 <riecatnor> .hello ramyaparimi 14:04:07 <zodbot> riecatnor: ramyaparimi 'Ramya Parimi' <rlp.parimi@gmail.com> 14:04:12 <riecatnor> gotcha ;) 14:04:19 <tg-fed-di2> <rparimi> Hehe thank you 14:04:36 <tg-fed-di2> <rparimi> Why wasn’t I able to get that? 14:04:44 <riecatnor> bc you are coming from tg 14:04:54 <tg-fed-di2> <rparimi> Ooohh okay got it 14:04:57 <riecatnor> it adds in "<rparimi" 14:05:06 <tg-fed-di2> <rparimi> Okay makes sense 14:05:20 <riecatnor> i know jwf is here somewhere ;) 14:05:41 <osezer> He is filling the keyboard tank 14:05:45 <riecatnor> #topic announcements 14:05:46 <osezer> so he can type faster 14:05:51 <jwf> .hello jflory7 14:05:52 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <foss@jwf.io> 14:05:56 <jwf> I am summoned! 14:06:00 <jwf> Just kidding, I have coffee now 14:06:00 <riecatnor> #link https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-34-release-party 14:06:14 <riecatnor> #info Fedora Linux 34 Release Party tomorrow and Saturday! Register now 14:06:19 <BreadMouseSheHer> Always smart 14:06:26 <BreadMouseSheHer> I am ZOD..bot. 14:06:34 <tg-fed-di2> <M1kaela> other networks have resolved that issue 14:06:35 <riecatnor> #info Dates for Nest announced & CfP open 14:06:37 <riecatnor> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/announcing-dates-cfp-for-nest-with-fedora/ 14:07:11 <riecatnor> #info Election nominations open for FESCo, Council, & Mindshare 14:07:13 <riecatnor> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/f34-elections-nominations-now-open/ 14:07:39 <jwf> #chair riecatnor rparimi luna mouse thunderbirdtr 14:07:55 <jwf> Oh oops, actually I don't think I can run that command 14:07:59 <riecatnor> #info Code of Conduct proposal has been edited based on feedback and is now open to a Council vote 14:08:01 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/145#comment-730148 14:08:02 <BreadMouseSheHer> D'oh 14:08:07 <riecatnor> #chair riecatnor rparimi luna mouse thunderbirdtr 14:08:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: luna mouse riecatnor rparimi thunderbirdtr 14:08:15 <BreadMouseSheHer> Woohoo! 14:08:28 <jwf> Yay Nest! Gotta get thinking on that CFP 14:08:39 <luna> and i am gonna try to attend :) 14:08:40 <BreadMouseSheHer> Ooh, nest sounds interesting 14:08:44 <jwf> riecatnor++ thanks :D 14:08:44 <zodbot> jwf: Karma for riecatnor changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:08:51 <riecatnor> np :) 14:09:11 <riecatnor> really excited to have the new CoC published 14:09:22 <riecatnor> jwf, I see your comment on the ticket, that seems fine to me 14:09:28 <jwf> me too 14:09:35 <BreadMouseSheHer> I am super excited. 14:09:59 <riecatnor> after this gets out and the release party is over, time to focus on the supporting docs & nest :D 14:10:08 <riecatnor> and FWD! 14:10:20 <BreadMouseSheHer> <3 14:10:36 <jwf> yaaaaaass 14:10:37 <BreadMouseSheHer> It was a very exciting release, and we aren't even doing the party yet. 14:11:32 <osezer> Wdym we are not ? we do tomorrow so be patient :) 14:11:41 <riecatnor> so close! 14:11:43 <luna> looking forward to it 14:11:44 <riecatnor> #topic tickets 14:11:50 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/196 14:11:58 <BreadMouseSheHer> I just meant in general, it hasn't started yet. 14:12:56 <x3mboy> .hi 14:12:57 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com> 14:13:03 <riecatnor> hey x3mboy ! 14:13:19 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/design/issue/757 14:13:33 <x3mboy> riecatnor: o/ 14:13:34 <riecatnor> I want to point out this design ticket/discussion around emojis for dicussion 14:13:36 <BreadMouseSheHer> .Hi 14:13:36 <x3mboy> How are you? 14:13:36 <zodbot> BreadMouseSheHer: Sorry, but you don't exist 14:13:41 <BreadMouseSheHer> LOL 14:13:56 <BreadMouseSheHer> Good to learn. 14:14:00 <jwf> riecatnor: I wasn't sure how best to first approach this ticket 14:14:06 <jwf> Hi x3mboy ! 14:14:12 <luna> x3mboy: alright looking forward to the release party 14:14:35 <x3mboy> jwf (he/him): o/ 14:14:36 <riecatnor> do we know what emoji set is used on discussion? 14:14:38 <luna> zodbot: BreadMouseSheHer: that does not seem that inclusive :p 14:14:46 <x3mboy> luna: Me too! 14:15:04 <luna> riecatnor: guessing the standard Discourse one but i can be wrong 14:15:11 <BreadMouseSheHer> I actually go back to work tomorrow. Though I will catch everything I can. 14:15:53 <luna> riecatnor: https://blog.discourse.org/2015/12/emoji-and-discourse/ 14:15:59 <jwf> https://github.com/joypixels/emoji-toolkit 14:16:04 <jwf> Emoji One, it looks like 14:16:22 <jwf> luna++ yep from that post 14:17:03 <riecatnor> I am looking at the admin panel for discussion and we def have the ability to add custom emoji 14:17:16 <jwf> Actually just kidding 14:17:16 <BreadMouseSheHer> That's cool 14:17:21 <riecatnor> guessing it will be more complex for pagure 14:17:22 * jwf uploaded an image: (242KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/mozilla.org/1a7b58b1233543bb8e69d64b1e9016d947b2f4af/image.png > 14:17:46 <osezer> jwf (he/him): https://blog.discourse.org/2015/12/emoji-and-discourse/ 14:17:58 <osezer> sorry didn't see previous msg 14:18:36 <osezer> <riecatnor "I am looking at the admin panel "> yes we do.... for discuss it is easy and already in place 14:19:21 <riecatnor> #link https://twemoji.twitter.com/ 14:19:27 <riecatnor> jwf, do you propose we use this? 14:19:30 <jwf> riecatnor: I think there are two parts to this ticket. (1) agreeing on an emoji set, and (2) figuring out how to interface with Fedora Infra and Pagure folks. 14:19:43 <jwf> I like Twemoji and it was the set I proposed in this ticket 14:19:46 <jwf> It is Open Source 14:19:54 <luna> seems Discourse has that in their options 14:19:55 <jwf> And Twitter is always the first to have the cool new emojis 14:20:10 <jwf> I remember Twemoji was first to get gender-neutral peoples, trans flag support, etc 14:20:17 <riecatnor> I think this shows them: 14:20:18 <riecatnor> #link https://emojipedia.org/twitter/ 14:20:24 <jwf> Or, first that I noticed on a huge social media / messaging platform 14:22:04 <riecatnor> I just did a quick google for other sets, didn't see anything obviously comparable 14:23:18 <osezer> when I type "twemoji vs" google complete with emojione and some others also switched into "twemoji" as well 14:23:33 <osezer> twitter's looks nice and rich 14:23:37 <riecatnor> I am +1 to using the twemoji set 14:23:46 <osezer> +1 twemoji 14:24:03 <jwf> +1 Twemoji 14:24:20 <BreadMouseSheHer> +1 Twemoji 14:24:24 <luna> i don't have any opinion 14:24:38 <jwf> So +0 :D 14:25:02 <jwf> In Fedora, we usually make decisions with a lazy-consensus system of -1/+0/+1 votes 14:25:13 <luna> +0 14:25:15 <jwf> Where -1 votes can be blocking if they come with an explanation 14:25:29 <riecatnor> the ticket has been open for over a week as well, I am fine to move forward with twemoji, and look to the next part which is interfacing with infra 14:25:32 <jwf> Sorry, that was a little bit of Fedora historical context. Off-topic tho to this current ticket! 14:25:37 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.comment.added -- thunderbirdtr commented on ticket fedora-diversity#196: "Pagure default emoji set does not reflect all Fedora Friends - how can we make it better?" https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/196#comment-730328 14:26:00 <riecatnor> my first inclination is to open a ticket on the infra repo. Does that make sense? 14:26:11 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.comment.added -- riecatnor commented on ticket fedora-diversity#196: "Pagure default emoji set does not reflect all Fedora Friends - how can we make it better?" https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/196#comment-730329 14:26:22 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.comment.added -- bittin commented on ticket fedora-diversity#196: "Pagure default emoji set does not reflect all Fedora Friends - how can we make it better?" https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/196#comment-730330 14:26:57 <jwf> riecatnor: That matches my feeling too. I think we will get asked to open a Pagure RFE though, just not sure if we should do that before or after an Infra ticket… 14:27:20 <x3mboy> Certificate errors :'( 14:27:21 <jwf> Infra could help prioritize it a bit more than just opening the Pagure RFE by itself though 14:27:23 <osezer> jwf (he/him): pagure first then infra ? 14:27:33 <x3mboy> Is pagure working? 14:27:45 <x3mboy> Oh, pagure is working! 14:27:51 <osezer> x3mboy: it is :)) 14:27:57 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.comment.added -- jflory7 commented on ticket fedora-diversity#196: "Pagure default emoji set does not reflect all Fedora Friends - how can we make it better?" https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/196#comment-730331 14:27:59 <riecatnor> jwf, mm, that makes sense 14:28:05 <BreadMouseSheHer> I would agree that the push might help. Though I do not know the proper chain of movability yet. 14:28:06 <riecatnor> It could be quite easy tho? 14:28:16 <jwf> Maybe? 14:28:18 <riecatnor> lol 14:28:25 <jwf> I'm afraid to set an expectation until I know :D 14:28:59 <jwf> Hmm. I think we should do both, but maybe start with the Pagure RFE as a reference point / anchor for this request. 14:29:01 <riecatnor> do we have a volunteer to open a corresponding infrastructure ticket for #196 14:29:05 <osezer> let's say it is doable :) but we need to open tickets first :) 14:29:17 <riecatnor> and for the RFE 14:29:40 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/pagure/issues 14:29:52 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues 14:30:02 <osezer> I'm opening a ticket and point to https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/196 here 14:30:13 <osezer> starting with pagure first ? 14:30:17 <osezer> then infra ? 14:31:13 <riecatnor> seems fine if you are opening them both now :) 14:31:13 <siddharthvipul> I am not sure Infra has a lot in relation with this/ Infra would be responsible to deploy new version but Pagure feature request should go to Pagure.. 14:31:22 <siddharthvipul> worth discussing in #pagure if you ask me 14:31:25 <osezer> siddharthvipul: +1 14:31:27 <riecatnor> oh hullo siddharthvipul 14:31:37 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: osezer \o hellooo 14:31:43 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.comment.added -- jflory7 commented on ticket fedora-infrastructure#9914: "Request sponsorship to the D&I group" https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9914#comment-730332 14:32:07 <riecatnor> siddharthvipul, seems like he might be most familiar with the infra repo :) I trust your judgement 14:32:51 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.comment.added -- jflory7 commented on ticket fedora-infrastructure#9914: "Request sponsorship to the D&I group" https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9914#comment-730333 14:33:27 <riecatnor> ok, so osezer - you will open a ticket on the pagure pagure repo as an RFE? 14:33:37 <osezer> pagure yes 14:33:40 <osezer> doing right now 14:33:44 <riecatnor> perfect, thanks! 14:33:57 <riecatnor> ok to move to next ticket? 14:34:36 <jwf> sounds good to me 14:34:47 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/195 14:35:17 <riecatnor> thanks for the update on the ticket siddharthvipul 14:35:53 <riecatnor> when you say "we will meet again" is that this meeting? :) 14:37:24 <riecatnor> hmm, ok, maybe we lost siddharthvipul for now 14:37:52 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: hey, sorry! distracted a bit! 14:38:00 <riecatnor> no worries 14:38:01 <siddharthvipul> yeah, but I didn't get time to look into it :( 14:38:10 <riecatnor> that is ok, seems like you started 14:38:31 <riecatnor> is there anything we can do to assist? 14:38:47 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: I just logged in a namespace misc provided me.. I didn't get to do anything with that 14:39:12 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.new -- thunderbirdtr opened a new ticket pagure#5158: "Using Twemoji for Pagure " https://pagure.io/pagure/issue/5158 14:39:15 <siddharthvipul> riecatnor: not sure about the assistance.. I am working on something exciting and important.. just waiting to get some free time to ook into it 14:39:20 <siddharthvipul> s/ook/look 14:39:25 <osezer> riecatnor: done 14:39:35 <riecatnor> thank you osezer ! 14:39:39 <riecatnor> osezer++ 14:39:43 <BreadMouseSheHer> <3 14:39:55 <riecatnor> ok siddharthvipul seems good, we are starting this early for a reason :) 14:40:45 <riecatnor> I would like to talk a bit more about the organization/theme/concept/direction 14:40:52 <riecatnor> - Decided: use contributor stories/happiness packets/appreciation week. 14:40:59 <riecatnor> - Undecided: how they will be used. We do know we have some pretty great projects here that promote DEI, and we want to capitalize on our existing frameworks. 14:41:22 <riecatnor> I also want to add the zine in here as something we can use, or contribute to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Zine 14:41:35 <riecatnor> (contribute outputs from FWD to the zine, to clarify) 14:41:55 <riecatnor> for example, we could ask the design team to create illustrations that go with contributor stories 14:41:56 <osezer> riecatnor: btw do you mind to upload PDF version zine you made into wiki ? (that's ok ?) 14:42:02 <osezer> * riecatnor: btw do you mind to upload PDF version zine you made into wiki ? (if that's ok ?) 14:42:12 <osezer> (if that's ok ?)** 14:42:16 <riecatnor> osezer, there is some challenges with the zine, let's talk aside 14:42:22 <osezer> ok 14:42:23 <riecatnor> (the zine file) 14:42:30 <osezer> sure 14:44:15 <riecatnor> we could create themes for the contributor stories 14:44:25 <riecatnor> so we could ask for "first contribution/mentorship stories" 14:44:46 <BreadMouseSheHer> That would be cool. 14:45:04 <riecatnor> or "Fedora friends" 14:45:44 <riecatnor> we could also do themes/prompts for the happiness packets 14:45:46 <jwf> <riecatnor "we could create themes for the c"> I like the idea of choosing themes! 14:45:57 <riecatnor> "send one to your fav women/non-binary person in Fedora" 14:46:12 <riecatnor> "send one to the person who had the biggest impact in your fedora world" 14:46:38 <riecatnor> "send one to someone who is unappreciated" 14:46:46 <BreadMouseSheHer> That would be a good way to spread it around. Keep it growing. 14:47:33 <riecatnor> so, my question is, do we want folks to be doing these *during* the week of FWD? or in advance, and during that week we publish content? 14:48:07 <BreadMouseSheHer> Probably in advance, that way we can do special meantions during the week. 14:48:30 <jwf> In advance is probably best. 14:48:39 <luna> maybe 1-2 weeks before? 14:48:49 <riecatnor> I think we should do it for a month or two before 14:48:56 <jwf> We collected stories upwards of a month ahead of time, with a few calls for action 14:49:00 <riecatnor> yeah 14:49:09 <riecatnor> that way we have plenty of time to process the content 14:49:17 <riecatnor> and it would be great to work with the design team for this too 14:49:17 <jwf> Then, during the appreciation week, we scheduled CommBlog posts featuring some stories 14:49:19 <jwf> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/tag/fedora-appreciation-week-2018/ 14:49:26 <jwf> <riecatnor "and it would be great to work wi"> For sure! 14:49:49 <riecatnor> ok, so I am going to gather notes from this convo and add it to #195 14:49:56 <riecatnor> I see we need to come up with a timeline, and choose dates 14:50:03 <BreadMouseSheHer> Yes. 14:50:35 <riecatnor> also we have decided to theme the contributor stories and provide prompts for the FHP 14:50:43 <BreadMouseSheHer> Need to mention to the design team, my wife reminded me I am not allowed to change the Fedora 34 background. 14:50:55 <riecatnor> :D its gorgeous! 14:51:19 <BreadMouseSheHer> She's not a linux user, but shes a water color painter and loves it. 14:53:10 <riecatnor> :) 14:53:15 <riecatnor> I am just writing up notes for 195 14:53:17 <BreadMouseSheHer> We should do it at least a month+ in advance, to give time to get the submissions in. 14:53:22 <riecatnor> #topic open floor 14:53:25 <riecatnor> agreed BreadMouseSheHer 14:53:31 <riecatnor> anyone have things for open floor? 14:54:18 <Mikaela> I am not sure if this is the time or place to ask this, but can accounts.fedoraproject.org usernames be changed? 14:54:23 <BreadMouseSheHer> I can't think of anything. The COC just needs to be voted on now correct? 14:54:44 <riecatnor> Mikaela, that is a good question. I am actually not sure 14:55:12 <jwf> <Mikaela "I am not sure if this is the tim"> Mikaela: It is a planned feature: https://github.com/fedora-infra/noggin/issues/105 14:55:32 <Mikaela> thank you, I will thumbsup and follow that, I have the second reason 14:55:55 <fm-diversity> pagure.issue.comment.added -- riecatnor commented on ticket fedora-diversity#195: "Future of FWD: Fedora Week of Diversity Planning" https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/195#comment-730347 14:56:13 <jwf> 👍️ 14:56:22 <riecatnor> BreadMouseSheHer, correct for the CoC. From there I will be working on supporting docs 14:56:56 <BreadMouseSheHer> Anything I can do to help with that? 14:57:33 <riecatnor> BreadMouseSheHer, not currently. The docs are there, but underdeveloped as the process has changed multiple times since they were first written 14:57:52 <BreadMouseSheHer> That makes sense. 14:57:54 <riecatnor> Once I publish it- yes, I absolutely need reviews from the D&I team :) 14:58:20 <riecatnor> there is a lot of details, and some supporting efforts that will need to be made 14:58:52 <BreadMouseSheHer> Looking forward to it. 14:59:25 <riecatnor> ok, d&i peeps 14:59:33 <riecatnor> thank you for the productive meeting :D 14:59:39 <riecatnor> I will send an email to the list shortly 14:59:42 <riecatnor> #endmeeting