14:00:15 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Fedora Diversity & Inclusion Team (2021-1-21)
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14:00:15 <riecatnor> #meetingname diversity
14:00:15 <riecatnor> #nick di-team
14:00:15 <riecatnor> #chair riecatnor
14:00:15 <riecatnor> .members diversity-team
14:00:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'diversity'
14:00:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: riecatnor
14:00:16 <riecatnor> #topic roll call
14:00:16 <zodbot> riecatnor: Members of diversity-team: @amsharma @bee2502 bt0dotninja chhavi @jflory7 @jonatoni lilyx +marinaz +meskarune nikhilkathole orionstar25 pyadav ramyaparimi recursedd @riecatnor siddharthvipul1 @tatica x3mboy
14:00:26 <riecatnor> .hello riecatnor
14:00:27 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com>
14:00:27 * jwf waves
14:00:32 <jwf> .hello jflory7
14:00:33 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <foss@jwf.io>
14:00:35 <riecatnor> hiii!
14:00:45 <riecatnor> good morning/afternoon/night to everyone :)
14:00:49 <jwf> Good morning! For us :P
14:00:51 <riecatnor> who is here today for the meeting?
14:01:34 <riecatnor> #chair jwf
14:01:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf riecatnor
14:02:34 * riecatnor is waiting a couple :)
14:02:56 <jwf> No problem. Start at 5m after the hour?
14:03:08 <jwf> I can't remember if this is the first meeting of the new year or not
14:05:21 <riecatnor> jwf, we had one on the 7th I believe
14:05:53 <jwf> Oh, that sounds right. I think I was double-booked for that one…
14:06:47 <riecatnor> https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/fedora-diversity/2021-01-07/fedora_diversity_&_inclusion_team_(2021-01-07)#meetingname_diversity#nick_di-team#chair_riecatnor_luna_jwflory.2021-01-07-14.00.log.html
14:07:01 <riecatnor> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/sresults/?group_id=fedora-diversity&type=channel
14:07:11 <riecatnor> When i click to look at the log it gives me an error
14:07:11 <riecatnor> hmmm
14:07:49 <jwf> I think it is something with the #meetingname used for that meeting. There might be one character wrong or something from what Meetbot produces
14:08:01 <jwf> Do you remember the highlights?
14:08:08 <riecatnor> it's because I gave a weird command last time
14:08:17 <riecatnor> I think it should be fine this time
14:08:29 <jwf> Yep, this time is good :)
14:08:43 <riecatnor> I moved it into a hackmd doc instead of copying from the docs page :P
14:08:57 <riecatnor> hi lilyx !
14:09:03 * jwf waves to lilyx
14:09:15 <lilyx> good morning :)
14:09:16 <jwf> riecatnor: Makes sense!
14:09:26 <riecatnor> #chair lilyx
14:09:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf lilyx riecatnor
14:09:30 <riecatnor> ok here we go :)
14:09:41 <riecatnor> #announcements
14:10:20 <riecatnor> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-objective-proposal-community-outreach-revamp/25928
14:10:24 <jwf> #topic Announcements
14:10:34 <riecatnor> better jwf thanks lol
14:10:38 <jwf> np :)
14:10:41 <riecatnor> more coffee plz
14:10:47 <riecatnor> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-objective-proposal-community-outreach-revamp/25928
14:10:49 <jwf> Oh I need to follow up on that thread
14:11:06 <riecatnor> #info The community outreach revamp is proposed as a Fedora objective
14:11:22 <riecatnor> d&i team, would be great to get your input there, or just a like or a vote!
14:11:32 <jwf> marianab++ sumantrom++ riecatnor++
14:11:32 <zodbot> jwf: Karma for sumantrom changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:12:00 <jwf> #action jwf Leave comment/vote on Community Outreach Revamp proposal for Fedora Objective
14:12:07 <riecatnor> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/join-us-design-team-sessions-live/
14:12:13 <jwf> I can take a mandatory action as D&I rep, of course anyone else is welcome to weigh in too
14:12:22 <riecatnor> #info the Fedora design team has started live design sessions, happening bi-weekly
14:12:34 <riecatnor> thanks, jwf!
14:12:44 <jwf> \o/
14:12:56 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/248
14:13:07 <riecatnor> #info the Mindshare committee is organizing a presence at FOSDEM 2021
14:13:34 <riecatnor> & marianab !
14:13:39 <riecatnor> marianab++
14:13:39 <zodbot> riecatnor: Karma for marianab changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:14:12 <riecatnor> just a follow up to that, we are working to set up a raffle contest for FOSDEM :) hopefully all the pieces come together
14:14:39 <jwf> cool!
14:14:56 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/249
14:15:04 <lilyx> right on
14:15:14 <riecatnor> #info this pride sticker request has been approved, and will be printed soon!
14:15:35 <jwf> Woot!
14:15:57 <jwf> I missed that :D
14:16:10 <riecatnor> I am the one printing that :P lol
14:16:14 <jwf> ;)
14:16:30 <riecatnor> #topic Tickets
14:16:59 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/252
14:17:05 <riecatnor> I have one mindshare ticket I want to raise awareness on
14:17:28 <riecatnor> I think part of this discussion revolves around accessibility
14:17:56 <riecatnor> I feel some folks from the team may have thoughts :) that's all really
14:18:33 * jwf reads
14:19:17 <jwf> I think the Free Media program is from a different time in Fedora. But it did one thing uniquely: it provided a decentralized way for contributors to help others use and contribute to Fedora
14:19:41 <riecatnor> agreed
14:19:44 <jwf> Instead of requiring a process to go through Mindshare and take time, it was originally a fast process for someone to help someone else out without contacting the Fedora Board (back in the day)
14:19:59 <jwf> It would be nice to see something replace that need that was once a very strong point for us
14:20:00 <riecatnor> I am going to add that into the revamp notes, because I think this is something we can address. I added a comment to the ticket already
14:20:37 <jwf> Cool. I can also leave some thoughts in the ticket. This is my first impression skimming over the ticket
14:21:12 <jwf> lilyx: I am actually curious for your thoughts, or if this ticket makes much sense to you. A fresh pair of eyes on something super old like this is always helpful :)
14:22:45 <riecatnor> a side note, the revamp co-leads have made their meeting notes public. we were getting some feedback that things didn't seem to be happening, but that is not the case :)
14:22:46 <jwf> For context, once upon a time, prospective Fedora users could open tickets to have someone local send them a Fedora DVD in the mail
14:22:47 <lilyx> totally, give me a second to read (I'm half following and half getting ready for a class I have in 30 min)
14:22:49 <riecatnor> #link https://hackmd.io/zUX2PN40Qbea8CCD54hpHA?view
14:23:14 <jwf> lilyx: Oh no worries! But would be great to get your feedback in the ticket too, if anything stands out to you :) No rush tho
14:23:32 <riecatnor> I think the next revamp blog post update will highlight these notes as well
14:24:39 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/175
14:24:59 <riecatnor> thunderbirdtr is helping to edit the videos, and I made cover slides
14:25:31 <riecatnor> I spoke with thunderbirdtr as well about putting together one of the more creative ideas, and they are interested. It will just take time :)
14:25:41 <jwf> thunderbirdtr++
14:25:41 <zodbot> jwf: Karma for thunderbirdtr changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:25:50 <jwf> Exciting :D
14:25:57 <riecatnor> meanwhile, if people know of other video editing folks, multimedia folks, send them this way!
14:26:23 <jwf> Looking forward to seeing the video work come forward. The D&I Team has done video reviews in the past, so if you want early feedback on a video, definitely share :)
14:26:51 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/180
14:27:11 <riecatnor> #link https://hackmd.io/AZnysNDFSmywyy5m3osG2w
14:27:12 <lilyx> sorry just to confirm, the free media program is focused on creating bootable fedora media?
14:27:21 <jwf> There is Chhavi, but it is some time since we heard from her. We could always say hi though. She edited/produced two of the earlier team-led videos on YouTube
14:27:25 <jwf> lilyx: Right!
14:27:41 <riecatnor> lilyx has written a great post here, we are just working on getting together some graphics
14:27:51 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/design/issue/713
14:27:52 <jwf> lilyx++
14:27:57 <riecatnor> I opened this ticket on the design pagure
14:28:03 <lilyx> aw thanks :)
14:28:04 <riecatnor> and sent an email to the design list
14:28:52 <riecatnor> no response yet :( but, in the end, I can make a banner pretty quickly. I just really wanted to get the design team involved
14:29:21 <riecatnor> lilyx, you mentioned you want to try your hand at some graphics last weekend. did you have a chance?
14:30:07 <lilyx> yes i got started the other day, I have so far fixed up the images in dark table and have been playing around with arranging them
14:30:30 <riecatnor> cool!
14:30:38 <jwf> \o/
14:31:19 <riecatnor> I can put in a bit of time to just make the banner happen if you want? I def don't want to take over work you are doing, though your draft has been done for a while, and it would be nice to just get it out there!
14:31:20 <lilyx> I'm running with this idea of putting together a mosaic, then having the fwd logo on it with little link lines moving around, attempting to describe a global interconnectedness theme
14:31:40 <riecatnor> rad :)
14:31:51 <lilyx> yes it would be nice to get that out there. Would u like to collaborate a bit?
14:31:52 <jwf> I like the theme :)
14:32:11 <riecatnor> yes! do you want to share the edited pics to the design ticket?
14:32:15 <riecatnor> or the shared drive folder
14:32:34 <riecatnor> either works :)
14:33:07 <riecatnor> any thing else on FWD post or videos for now?
14:33:08 <lilyx> yes, I'll upload them during class. When I have something that I think is functional for mosaic I can share the working file for that today too.
14:33:31 <jwf> When the time comes, either nasirhm, rparimi, or I could assist with getting things into the docs site :)
14:33:34 <riecatnor> ok, cool. I will wait for tomorrow then to pick it up (which would probably happen anyways lol meetingssss)
14:33:52 <lilyx> tots lol
14:33:57 <jwf> Feel that!
14:34:18 <lilyx> I had another question of the freemedia thing if we can touch on that quickly
14:34:24 <riecatnor> sure, go ahead
14:35:27 <lilyx> it seems like this has been a little outdated (I agree with the comment in the meeting minutes)... but I say that as someone who is comfortable with creating bootable media. Is this more to support potential users who aren't comfortable with doing that?
14:36:35 <riecatnor> I think it is for folks who are entirely unable (for whatever reason) to create bootable media?
14:36:48 <riecatnor> jwf might have more perspective
14:37:02 * jwf reads up
14:37:40 <jwf> lilyx: The original motivation was bandwidth. Specifically people in lower and middle income countries where downloading a multiple gigabyte ISO was either impossible or super expensive
14:37:56 <jwf> Things are getting better, but to a large extent, this need is still there and has only increased since COVID
14:38:05 <jwf> (getting better, in terms of connectivity)
14:38:10 <jwf> Does that make sense?
14:38:43 <jwf> I might be biased but I think this is somewhere Fedora can be innovative
14:39:14 <lilyx> ah yes that does make sense
14:39:19 <riecatnor> jwf, would a USB with a fedora image on it do the same thing?
14:39:31 <jwf> riecatnor: It checks the box!
14:40:08 <riecatnor> So, it was end of year, and we had some budget to spend, so I went ahead and made a big ole' swag order.
14:40:19 <riecatnor> Which included USB 3.0's that we are working on an image for
14:40:26 <lilyx> nice!
14:40:33 <riecatnor> This isn't something we can *promise* to always have tho
14:40:37 <riecatnor> It really is budget dependent
14:40:54 <riecatnor> For example, a year where we have flock, there won't be room for big ole' swag orders LOL
14:41:05 <jwf> Right.
14:41:25 <lilyx> so would these usbs has the fedora logo on it?
14:41:34 <riecatnor> It could be something we build into the new community outreach structure
14:41:35 <jwf> Buying USBs centrally and distributing is a short-term fix but it will have trouble scaling. The innovative play is figuring out how to do decentralized distribution. Or, contributor-to-contributor
14:41:38 <riecatnor> build that in as an expense
14:41:54 <riecatnor> It would be the same process as requesting swag
14:42:04 <riecatnor> Oh, the decentralized aspect. Yes. I see
14:42:29 <riecatnor> I can see how that is helpful, but I can process one off swag requests like that. How often do they really come in?
14:42:41 <riecatnor> and yes, they have the logo printed!
14:42:46 <riecatnor> lilyx^
14:43:10 <jwf> FranciscoD probably has the best perspective on that. I wasn't around for the Free Media hey-day, but from what I understand, when we advertised it, it was widely sought
14:43:19 <jwf> There was a high demand
14:43:28 <jwf> Trac was the magic tool that facilitated it all. Google Forms before Google Forms
14:43:39 <riecatnor> I think I am going to check in with Mindshare & FPL on this
14:43:57 <jwf> That's fair :)
14:44:05 <riecatnor> If we mark the USBs as a thing we always do, I think it can be worked into the budget
14:44:13 <riecatnor> we just wouldn't print a ton
14:44:20 <jwf> Maybe the short-term view though is allowing USB requests for this fiscal year. Just communicating that this might not always be an option
14:44:25 <jwf> So people have the right expectations
14:44:30 <lilyx> Makes sense
14:44:38 <riecatnor> fair enough, it is accurate
14:44:45 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/189
14:45:08 <riecatnor> #link https://framadate.org/fed-DI-virtual-march-2021
14:45:20 <riecatnor> virtual d&i team meetup :)
14:45:36 <riecatnor> I am excited at the thought of seeing everyone on camera at once <3
14:45:41 <lilyx> Distribution wise, what would a decentralized system possibly look like? Would we have a person who can ship cheap/deliver to higher demand areas?
14:45:46 <jwf> Ooh I missed this over the holiday
14:45:51 <lilyx> Yes! that'll be fun
14:45:54 <jwf> I'll fill out the framadate now :)
14:46:26 <riecatnor> lilyx, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LocalContacts
14:46:30 <riecatnor> I think this is how they did it
14:46:39 <lilyx> thank you
14:47:06 <lilyx> ah k, that's kinda what I was picturing
14:47:08 <jwf> lilyx: It was divided by regions. Ambassadors were once clearly grouped by four regions: North America, Latin/South America/Caribbean (LATAM), Europe/Middle East/Africa (EMEA), and Asia/Pacific (APAC). Shippers were usually in the region of people requesting media
14:47:17 <jwf> With some exceptions
14:47:51 <lilyx> neat. I would love to do that for western Canada - though I feel like that's less of a need region vs an interest/want region. -- if this program starts up again anyway
14:47:58 <jwf> That contact list is one piece, but there was actually a form anyone could fill out even without making a FAS account
14:48:16 <jwf> It would create a new Trac ticket that an Ambassador could pick up if it was a request in their region
14:48:40 <jwf> lilyx: The interest in this idea lives on :D
14:48:47 <lilyx> fabulous
14:48:58 <jwf> Sorry to sidetrack on the meet-up tho!
14:49:04 <jwf> riecatnor, anything else other than choosing dates to note?
14:49:22 <riecatnor> ah yes!
14:49:30 <riecatnor> so, I want to organize a fun event for us
14:49:32 <riecatnor> https://teambuilding.com/services/virtual-team-building#activities
14:49:46 <jwf> #action di-team Fill out meeting poll for a March virtual meet-up for the D&I team - https://framadate.org/fed-DI-virtual-march-2021
14:49:53 <riecatnor> We used this company for the events we did for the release party and council f2f
14:50:16 <riecatnor> https://teambuilding.com/events/kindness-quest
14:50:34 <riecatnor> https://teambuilding.com/events/storytelling-workshops
14:51:04 <riecatnor> https://teambuilding.com/events/online-office-games
14:51:13 <riecatnor> these would be my three top choices for d&i team I think.. thoughts?
14:51:36 <jwf> Storytelling workshops, that sounds fun!
14:51:58 <jwf> riecatnor: I think a new Pagure ticket with a mailing list pointer to call it out would be good for getting feedback :)
14:52:28 <riecatnor> ok, so new ticket being "choose fun event for d&i virtual meetup"
14:53:10 <riecatnor> do you see any other good options on the list? I would like to give people a 3-4 options total
14:53:12 <jwf> Easiest +1 ever :P
14:53:19 <riecatnor> hehe
14:53:40 <jwf> The three you listed look like good starts, you could mention where people can look for the full list if they want to read
14:53:51 <riecatnor> sounds good
14:53:54 <jwf> Those three seem in line with our team and what we do too lol
14:53:56 <riecatnor> oh look at the time!
14:53:58 <lilyx> murder mystery could be pretty cool
14:54:01 <riecatnor> #topic open floor
14:54:12 <lilyx> omg these look super fun lol
14:54:21 <riecatnor> :D they should be
14:54:36 <riecatnor> I just want to tell everyone officially that I have two new kittens and they are adorable
14:55:09 <riecatnor> anything for open floor?
14:55:22 <lilyx> aww kittens!!!
14:55:29 <riecatnor> they are sweeties
14:55:38 <riecatnor> I named them Ruby & Sapphire (from steven universe)
14:55:53 <lilyx> nice
14:56:12 <lilyx> oh, i wanted to quickly comment on the d&i event resource pack
14:56:19 <riecatnor> sure :)
14:56:29 <jwf> kittens++
14:56:38 <lilyx> I've been working on drafting a new approach to that. It ended up taking a lot more research than I initially planned for
14:56:43 <jwf> I am half-surprised that did not summon @bt0dotninja
14:57:04 <tg-fed-di> <b​t0dotninja> Hi
14:57:26 <lilyx> but yeah, I should hopefully be able to start making commits in the next week or so. I wanted to ask people about navigation
14:57:34 <riecatnor> hi bt0
14:57:37 <riecatnor> :)
14:57:39 <lilyx> hey bt0
14:57:42 <jwf> @bt0dotninja heheh I was teasing, riecatnor has new kittens :P
14:58:08 <tg-fed-di> <b​t0dotninja> I love kittens
14:58:10 <jwf> lilyx: Sure!
14:58:36 <lilyx> would it be sensible to have sub categories in the side bar?
14:59:01 <lilyx> And then to also have a section that offers some open source tools that can be used for creating and running presentations?
14:59:52 <riecatnor> lol bt0 anyone who doesn't love kittens is wrong
15:00:31 <jwf> I think it depends on how much content there is to work with. I'm not sure if we have double-checked that everything we listed there so far is still up-to-date
15:00:54 <jwf> It could be one page for now, but long-term, sub-categories under a single nav bar item makes sense
15:01:29 <riecatnor> are we talking about the content here:https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/diversity-inclusion/events/fwd-resource-pack/
15:01:56 <lilyx> ok, would it then be good if I drew out a descriptive outline and shared that in ticket for review before I begin drafting copy text?
15:02:13 <riecatnor> lilyx, +1
15:02:54 <lilyx> ok, after I get design stuff out, I'll draw that up too. as for now, I gotta sign in to class. ttyl <3
15:02:55 <riecatnor> it's time, my friends
15:03:04 <riecatnor> thank you for being here lilyx jwf!
15:03:17 <riecatnor> #endmeeting