13:16:58 <tatica> #startmeeting Fedora Diversity Meeting
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13:17:08 <tatica> #topic roll call
13:17:28 <tatica> well, hello hello! first "official" meeting (even if we already had one)
13:17:32 <tatica> .fas tatica
13:17:33 <zodbot> tatica: gusthwolf 'Gustavo Adolfo Soto Marquez' <staticage30@gmail.com> - tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' <tatadbb@gmail.com>
13:18:17 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
13:18:18 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com>
13:18:22 <tatica> #chair jflory7
13:18:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 tatica
13:18:29 <tatica> .hello tatica
13:18:30 <zodbot> tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' <tatadbb@gmail.com>
13:18:34 <tatica> ah, better
13:18:39 <jflory7> Morning all :)
13:18:40 <cialu> This is my first meeting. What I need to know about?
13:18:44 <marinaz> .hello marinaz
13:18:45 <zodbot> marinaz: marinaz 'Marina Zhurakhinskaya' <marinaz@redhat.com>
13:18:58 <cialu> .hello cialu
13:18:59 <zodbot> cialu: cialu 'None' <luca.ciavatta@gmail.com>
13:19:22 <meskarune> .hello meskarune
13:19:24 <zodbot> meskarune: meskarune 'Dolores Portalatin' <meskarune@archwomen.org>
13:19:35 <tatica> cialu, welcome!
13:19:38 * mailga around
13:19:40 <mizmo> .hello duffy
13:19:41 <zodbot> mizmo: duffy 'Máirín Duffy' <fedora@linuxgrrl.com>
13:20:01 <cialu> Hi! thx!
13:20:21 <tatica> all present!
13:20:32 <tatica> #topic Fedora Women Day - July
13:21:02 <tatica> #action add a wiki page for the activity
13:21:25 <jflory7> That should let zodbot change the topic now
13:21:35 <tatica> jflory7, saviour, again
13:21:37 <tatica> #topic Fedora Women Day - July
13:21:41 <jflory7> \o/
13:21:41 <tatica> yeah, better
13:22:10 <tatica> so, I comment the idea of the activity at the commops meeting and the idea was welcome
13:22:37 <tatica> I'm setting up the wikipage for it, do we have ideas on what can we do on that day?
13:22:52 <tatica> I'm confused on if we said it would be the 15 or the 17
13:23:43 * jflory7 checks calendar
13:23:52 <marinaz> tatica: I wanted to propose that we also have articles by women contributing to Fedora published in Fedora magazine around that time - or maybe a series of articles leading up to it
13:23:58 <mizmo> marinaz++
13:24:00 <zodbot> mizmo: Karma for marinaz changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:24:15 <jflory7> 15th is a Friday, 17th is a Sunday, for planning purposes.
13:24:23 <tatica> marinaz, like it, maybe we could do an article on each diversity group we can raise our ears to
13:24:25 <mizmo> a friday would probably be better, more visibility
13:24:29 <tatica> marinaz++
13:24:29 <zodbot> tatica: Karma for marinaz changed to 2 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:24:31 * jflory7 wonders if it could be a weekend sort of event, kind of like a vFAD
13:24:31 <marinaz> tatica: this is what we did for GNOME when we resumed women outreach in 2009
13:24:35 <jflory7> marinaz++
13:24:35 <zodbot> jflory7: Karma for marinaz changed to 3 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:24:45 <marinaz> tatica: here are the articles: https://thegnomejournal.wordpress.com/2009/11/
13:25:33 <tatica> #link https://thegnomejournal.wordpress.com/2009/11/
13:26:08 <Amita> oh.. late
13:26:11 <tatica> we could start with GSoC
13:26:16 <Amita> .fas amsharma
13:26:17 <zodbot> Amita: shubhamsharma 'shubham kumar sharma' <kernel.shubham@gmail.com> - amsharma 'Amita Sharma' <amsharma@redhat.com>
13:26:33 <tatica> maybe an interview with the female Mentors and Students, to get their output on how the process has been
13:26:38 <Amita> com'on Amita I am
13:26:38 <marinaz> tatica: having women who did GSoC with GNOME write about their work would be great
13:26:39 <tatica> Amita, never late! welcome
13:26:40 <meskarune> a weekend long thing would be really cool and make sure lots of people notice
13:27:03 <marinaz> tatica: yes, that'd be great
13:27:03 <tatica> meskarune, maybe instead 15 OR 17, from 15 TO 17
13:27:08 <Amita> tatica, I was in fossasia last week
13:27:11 <meskarune> yeah
13:27:17 <Amita> many folks from GSOC were there
13:27:21 <jflory7> marinaz: OPW / Outreachy might also be something to consider too for people to write about their work
13:27:31 <Amita> including google mentors(women)
13:27:36 <tatica> #action Create article about female participans of GSoC (Mentors and Students)
13:27:47 <jflory7> tatica: I'm +1 to it being a weekend, vFAD-like event.
13:27:50 <marinaz> jflory7: yes, we could do a "where are they now?" with Fedora Outreachy alums
13:27:51 <Amita> and who is taking this?
13:28:05 <jflory7> marinaz: Definitely!
13:28:24 <tatica> marinaz, seems that you're more in contact with GSoC, are you up to it?
13:28:32 <tatica> at least to draft it?
13:28:41 <jflory7> I can't remember... was there going to be a physical / in-person component to this? I couldn't remember.
13:28:59 <Amita> tatica, this can be done online too
13:29:05 <Amita> by sending mails?
13:29:09 <Amita> jflory7, ^^
13:29:12 <marinaz> jflory7, tatica: I did this kind of article for GNOME Women's Outreach Program from 2006 in 2009: https://thegnomejournal.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/where-are-they-now-the-participants-of-the-2006-women%E2%80%99s-summer-outreach-program/
13:29:12 <tatica> jflory7, I think that will depend on how many people gather and how much interest we can raise on the issue
13:29:25 <tatica> yet, I would like it to be half's. Local meetings connected through video
13:29:44 <tatica> that way we can gather more women to participate, and see if next year we can make an in-person meeting
13:30:02 <marinaz> tatica: I could do it for OPW/Outreachy interns; I'm not sure I know who were women who participated with GSoC, but with some help, I can reach out to them too
13:30:25 <Amita> marinaz, I can get the contact from fossasia
13:30:28 <Amita> if you want
13:30:35 <Amita> for GSoC women mentors
13:30:42 <mizmo> oh its too bad this is the month before flock, we could do interviews with women at flock
13:30:49 <jflory7> marinaz, tatica: For GSoC, good people to contact for past years might be kushal and number80 / hguemar. This year, decause is also a good person to contact.
13:30:50 <marinaz> tatica: but the idea would be for some women contributors to write about their work
13:31:20 <tatica> yeap, there could be about 3 questions we can do to everyone
13:31:30 <tatica> probably a set of questions for Mentors and other for Students
13:31:47 <tatica> we can simply mail them the questions and set a deadline and do email magic do the job
13:31:53 <Amita> I guess, question flow will change according to the work they have performed
13:32:06 <marinaz> Amita: we need to know who were the women who did GSoC with Fedora in the recent years, not just women GSoC mentors
13:32:36 <Amita> marinaz, that we can get from other mentors
13:32:41 <tatica> #topic Magazine Article
13:32:45 <Amita> like decause
13:32:46 <marinaz> mizmo: do you know of any other women who have mentored for Fedora in either GSoC or OPW/Outreachy?
13:33:05 <jflory7> tatica: Definitely getting some of the Ambassadors included on that might help for smaller regional gatherings. I know the Albanian community might be a good group to contact (especially jonatoni).
13:33:05 <marinaz> Amita: yes, I'll check with people jflory7 mentions
13:33:09 <mizmo> marinaz: ah thats a good question... laura on my team helped out with administering outreachy while i was on maternity leave
13:33:14 <Amita> marinaz, I guess Marie also did some mentoring
13:33:18 <mizmo> yes she did!
13:33:19 <Amita> let me just cross check
13:33:26 <Amita> yeah .. I am right :)
13:33:30 <marinaz> mizmo: Laura is mentoring for Outreachy now!!!
13:33:32 <mizmo> whether or not it was official, she definitely has mentored multiple contributors
13:33:33 <tatica> marinaz, I was a GSoC mentor a loooong time ago, can get you a list of participants
13:33:35 <mizmo> marinaz: oh great!
13:33:48 <jflory7> mizmo: Hmmm, maybe could still do interviews post-event, publish as a reflection or additional piece after the fact?
13:33:49 <marinaz> mizmo: we should totally ask Laura to write about her work
13:33:53 <jflory7> In person interviews would be awesome
13:34:10 <Amita> yeah, I agree for personal interview
13:34:20 <tatica> if you can get the recordings, I can put the video together
13:34:21 <mizmo> jflory7: well the funding would probably be set by July so we'd know who was going at that point, we could do pre-conference interviews of women planning to attend, i've seen preconference interviews done before for open source confs
13:34:29 <marinaz> mizmo, Amita, tatica: would you write articles about your work?
13:34:33 <mizmo> marinaz: totally agreed
13:34:36 <marinaz> am I missing any women here?
13:34:38 <mizmo> id be happy to
13:34:39 <tatica> marinaz, consider it done
13:34:47 <Amita> yeah sure
13:34:48 <mizmo> oh Emily mentored a GSoC intern
13:34:53 <mieko> >diversity
13:34:54 <mizmo> the sparkleshare project
13:34:55 <mieko> >only about women
13:35:08 <tatica> #action pull a list of females to interview for the GSoC experience article
13:35:27 <Amita> I love taking interviews, so I can take 1-2.. if you give me names
13:35:31 <meskarune> I'd be interested to hear a little about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rbergero
13:35:50 <meskarune> but idk if she is still involved with fedora
13:37:08 <Amita> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Riecatnor
13:37:12 <Amita> she was a mentor
13:37:29 <Amita> hello decause
13:37:48 <decause> .hello decause
13:37:48 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <decause@redhat.com>
13:37:54 <marinaz> #action women to ask to write articles: mizmo, Amita, tatica, labbott, reicatnor, emily
13:38:15 <tatica> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Diversity_Adviser#Current_Activities
13:38:18 <mieko> marinaz: serious question, but if you guys are about "diversity", why do you explicitly only want to interview women?
13:38:20 <tatica> I'm just setting everything there
13:38:21 <jflory7> mizmo: I think that would be a good thing to try! I'm +1 to that.
13:38:37 <jflory7> #chair decause
13:38:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: decause jflory7 tatica
13:38:53 <tatica> mieko, I think we could start with the women group since it's larger and will bring attention, then follow with dissabilities (already have someone in mind for it)
13:38:56 <meskarune> mieko: its women history stuff
13:39:03 <meskarune> like its a specific event about women in july
13:39:04 <decause> mieko: until there is parity, we need to explicitly support more women
13:39:29 <mieko> not really, that sounds like trying to exactly what you say you are fighting against
13:39:29 <marinaz> mieko: this is for a particular activity - Fedora Women Day; we should totally run similar series for other underrepresented groups
13:39:30 <tatica> mieko, it's not a "women matter more", it's just a start point
13:39:59 <Amita> I agree
13:40:04 <marinaz> mieko: is there some particular aspect of diversity you are passionate about?
13:40:10 <tatica> I'm particularly interested on dissabilities, so that will be the next article (which is already in process)
13:40:13 <mieko> very bad starting point, imo
13:40:16 <Amita> diversity is to address such areas/groups
13:40:30 <tatica> mieko, please, expand. I'm interested in your overview
13:40:32 <meskarune> mieko: they were talking about "fedora women day"
13:40:57 <Amita> mieko, please explain your view point
13:41:00 <mieko> tatica: I'd expand, but I asked 1 person 1 question, and for this I'm being bombarded with people highlighting me
13:41:42 <Amita> mieko, please don't feel like that :)
13:41:49 <tatica> mieko, that's because we all don't want to make anyone feel that we are only interested in 1 single group :(
13:41:51 <Amita> we are here to express our views
13:42:08 <mieko> anyway, this channel is supposedly about "diversity", going for an event that only supports 1 specific group isn't "diverse" at all, it's literally doing whatever you guys claim to oppose
13:42:12 <Amita> we are just trying to understand your view point as well
13:42:18 <meskarune> "serious question, but if you guys are about "diversity", why do you explicitly only want to interview women?" it's because there is a women day event and they are planning things for that. It would be cool if there were events for other groups as well
13:43:00 <Amita> which are planned in future
13:43:07 <Amita> for other groups as well
13:43:12 <Amita> tatica, just mentioned
13:43:13 <meskarune> supporting women isn't the opposite of supporting diversity
13:43:26 <mieko> meskarune: supporting events for just women is
13:43:35 <jflory7> In my view, it's a good idea to focus on smaller subsets to target on versus trying to target everything all at once. Smaller, more targeted approaches will help drive better success with Diversity efforts, in my opinion.
13:43:37 <Amita> mieko, it is just that we need to target the groups which are less in ratio
13:43:42 <meskarune> yeah, but I don't think anyone has said that is the case mieko
13:43:54 <tatica> mieko, we are already supporting other activities (remember this goes task by task) just stick around till the end please
13:43:58 <tatica> could we move foward now?
13:44:07 <meskarune> 50% of the population is female but only 2% of FOSS contributors are
13:44:25 <mieko> meskarune: that's abusing statistics, not using them properly
13:44:54 <mieko> women in general are just less interested in exact fields. I agree that the community is often hostile, but going for a 50/50 diversity isn't going to achieve much
13:45:04 <meskarune> ok, you are just a troll
13:45:06 <tatica> ok, second article on its way (which is actually the first one) will be about dissabilities on IT
13:45:10 <tatica> please all
13:45:30 <Amita> tatica, lets move on please
13:45:34 <tatica> I've been working with visual dissabilities for about 6 years now in my country
13:45:57 <marinaz> jflory7++
13:45:57 <zodbot> marinaz: Karma for jflory7 changed to 41 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:46:00 <tatica> I've learn on the past week that we have several members that also experience some dissabilities, so I already reach to some of them and they are writing about their experiences
13:46:24 <tatica> so far, I already have 3 people working on it
13:46:31 <tatica> * visual dissability
13:46:40 <jflory7> That's awesome... any idea where those are intended to be published?
13:46:44 <Amita> that's great
13:46:52 <decause> meeting time is precious. deeper discussions are best taken to the mailing lists
13:46:53 <tatica> most likely a couple of weeks
13:46:54 <Amita> fedora magazine?
13:47:05 <Amita> decause++
13:47:16 <tatica> I need to translate part of the interviews since they are in spanish, might let l10n people do that while I just gather the info
13:47:29 <tatica> yet, I would like to reach 2 more dissabilities to gather 5
13:47:37 <jflory7> From a writing / editing perspective, it could be cool to have each individual contributor publish their story on the Community Blog, and then have a bigger "wrapper" post on the Magazine summarizing them all
13:47:47 <jflory7> With appropriate links to each post
13:48:01 <tatica> we have so far: visual - mobility - narcolepsy (hope to write that right)
13:48:04 <Amita> or we can have a set of questions like in case of women
13:48:34 <tatica> Amita, I think the questions approach could work
13:49:06 <tatica> yet, as you all know, this has been a chaos with all the attention the recent email brought
13:49:10 <Amita> tatica, I am sure they have their own story, which will impress many
13:49:17 <Amita> inspire*
13:49:28 <tatica> seems that everyone is expecting me (really us since I'm not alone here... thx god) to see results when we are just starting
13:49:41 <tatica> Amita, impress-inspire... both, I'm sure
13:50:11 <Amita> I know.. for sure.. interviews must have very precious questions in such cases
13:50:21 <tatica> yet, if I'm honest, I would like to have in process at least one more article, so we don't have to be running each week to publish one
13:50:27 <Amita> we need to work on question set
13:50:31 <tatica> -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Diversity_Adviser
13:50:46 <tatica> mieko, do you have in mind a 3rd minority we could-should contact?
13:51:09 * jflory7 is changing locations but will be back soon
13:51:29 <mieko> I don't often want to target a specific one, since that'd feel like saying they deserve more attention than others
13:51:48 <tatica> mieko, yet, people needs to know their stories
13:51:57 <tatica> mieko, would be happy if you can add some ideas
13:52:06 <tatica> I'm moving on to...
13:52:17 <tatica> #topic flock
13:52:24 <mieko> I'm mostly just reading along
13:52:40 <Amita> tatica, can we target Gay community as well?
13:52:48 <Amita> just a thought
13:52:52 <tatica> I was asked (forced) to submit some talks to flock, yet, I would like to know if anyone here is planning on attend
13:52:58 <tatica> Amita, LGBT for sure
13:53:03 <meskarune> its maybe not great to use "inspire" for the adaptions that the disabled do to use technology. They have to make those changes because they don't have any other choice. In an ideal world, everyone would just have equal unhindered access to technology. :)
13:53:20 <Amita> tatica, I have submitted
13:53:46 <marinaz> tatica: I think it would be awesome if you can submit a talk to do a diversity update and discussion - maybe something like a BoF
13:53:56 <tatica> meskarune, I was thinking on a "how do you use IT to work with your dissability" more than the dissability itself, more to inspire others to do so
13:54:04 <marinaz> tatica: I am hoping to be there, but am not totally sure yet
13:54:23 <marinaz> Amita: what is your submission about?
13:54:25 <tatica> marinaz, yup, I was thinking on a panel really. Inviting people from diverse groups and let them do the talk
13:54:52 <Amita> marinaz, technical, a lightening talk
13:54:59 <Amita> one is on women contributors
13:55:06 <tatica> marinaz, I was hoping on submit 2. One about goals (we should have some by then) and other about how we have been helping minorities (if they feel like we have been doing something at all)
13:55:06 <marinaz> tatica: who would you like to invite?
13:55:22 <tatica> marinaz, that's why I'm asking who's there jejeje
13:55:39 <marinaz> Amita: could you share the abstract for the one on women contributors, so that we can build on that?
13:55:54 <Amita> build on that.. what
13:56:02 <tatica> and I'm asking because I don't want to step over anyone's proposal
13:56:04 <Amita> I guess talks are yet to be selected
13:56:09 <tatica> diversity... that's what we want
13:56:19 <Amita> oh yeah
13:56:20 <Amita> sure
13:56:25 <meskarune> lightning talk sounds awesome
13:56:32 <marinaz> Amita: is one of the talks you submitted on women contributors?
13:56:40 <Amita> marinaz, yeah
13:56:42 <Amita> that's true
13:56:48 <Amita> but talks are not yet selected
13:57:05 <Amita> so I am not sure yet .. I got a chance to dilevr that
13:57:14 <tatica> Amita, yeah, but I don't want to submit something similar to yours and then compete. I rather have you there and then submit something else
13:57:17 <marinaz> Amita: awesome! I was suggesting you share the abstract, so that tatica can coordinate with you in submitting talks that don't duplicate each other
13:57:19 <decause> cfp closes 4/8
13:57:24 * tatica feels decause eyes on her
13:57:37 <decause> lol
13:57:41 <Amita> ah okay
13:57:42 <Amita> cool
13:57:45 <marinaz> Amita: e.g. if your talk is on women contributors, maybe you would be the one covering what we did for Fedora Women Day
13:57:48 <Amita> I will email abstracts ?
13:57:56 <tatica> Amita, sure!
13:58:01 <tatica> tatica@fp....
13:58:03 <decause> I'm here to help with proposals too ;)
13:58:05 <marinaz> Amita: awesome!
13:58:11 <Amita> to all 3 of you
13:58:20 <Amita> marinaz, decause and tatica
13:58:32 <Amita> may be tatica we can speak together as co presenters
13:58:33 <tatica> thx!
13:58:34 <marinaz> Amita: sure - or the list
13:58:34 <decause> sgtm
13:58:42 <tatica> Amita, if you want it, sure!
13:58:53 <Amita> let's discuss on mail :)
13:59:06 <tatica> Amita, sounds great
13:59:16 <Amita> cool
13:59:38 <tatica> #action Amita will lead the Fedora Women talk proposal for Flock and email us her abstract to provide feedback
13:59:51 <Amita> #action start a mail thread for discussing talk submission in flock
13:59:59 <tatica> ok, do you folks like the idea on a panel proposal? getting inputs from diverse minorities?
14:00:12 <Amita> that is superb
14:00:18 <Amita> from where do you get such ideas
14:00:25 <Amita> what you had in your coffee today tatica
14:00:26 <Amita> :P
14:00:33 <tatica> Amita, oh... you don't want to know
14:00:37 <Amita> lol
14:00:46 <tatica> if I tell you everything is in my head, yours would explode next to mine
14:01:01 <meskarune> you have a ton of awesome ideas
14:01:03 <tatica> ok, I'm TERRIBLE with talk names... so far I only have "Diversity Panel"
14:01:05 <decause> :P
14:01:07 <Amita> I agree with it, lets have some people we are interviewing (diverse) for the pannel discussion
14:01:13 <tatica> if anyone comes up with a better name... please... say it
14:01:53 <marinaz> tatica: for the panel, we need to make sure that we have the participants who represent different aspects of diversity and comfortable with the topic
14:02:00 <meskarune> maybe inclusive community building
14:02:13 <tatica> marinaz, I can get on that (even if my job will be recolect videos from everyone)
14:02:30 <marinaz> tatica: if we have that, that'd be great
14:02:39 <tatica> I've experienced the issue of not being able to travel myself, so to gather the more, videos might be included
14:02:44 <marinaz> meskarune: I like "Building an Inclusive Community"
14:02:50 <Amita> Diversity Panel --> Rainbow ( A panel of diverse colors/people)
14:02:51 <marinaz> for the panel
14:02:58 <Amita> just a thought :P
14:03:04 <mizmo> my intern Maria Leonova is going to be at Flock (just confirmed)
14:03:05 <meskarune> yeah, sounds good to me
14:03:11 <mizmo> she's going to be F/T actually starting friday
14:03:12 <jflory7> Talk name idea: "Diversity is not another unicorn"
14:03:15 <jflory7> :P
14:03:16 <tatica> Amita, I like the rainbow, yet, it might be only related to LGBT
14:03:17 <mizmo> so she might be willing to be on a panel
14:03:24 <marinaz> mizmo: where is she interning with you?
14:03:33 <mizmo> marinaz: she is in the Brno office
14:03:42 <tatica> mizmo, fantastic!
14:03:44 <marinaz> mizmo: cool
14:03:54 <mizmo> marinaz: she's been my intern since last July, altho we got her a F/T position with another team starting Friday \o/
14:03:55 <tatica> love it! <marinaz> meskarune: I like "Building an Inclusive Community"
14:04:01 <mizmo> she's done a ton of awesome work for Fedora
14:04:11 <tatica> mizmo, yes, I've been following her work
14:04:58 <Amita> "Building an Inclusive Community" +1
14:04:59 <marinaz> mizmo: has she been active in any groups that promote diversity? I'm wary of e.g. asking women to talk about diversity just because they are women - that feels very 2009 to me :)
14:05:10 <tatica> ok, so please, my chat is open if you come up with new ideas
14:05:28 <Amita> again, we need set of question :)
14:05:34 <tatica> Amita, will work on that
14:05:40 <mizmo> marinaz: yes! she has been involved in django girls in CZ and another group too
14:05:40 <tatica> #topic Survey
14:05:41 <marinaz> mizmo: I think it's better to ask people from diverse backgrounds to write about their work and opt-in into diversity work
14:05:42 <Amita> for panel as well
14:05:48 <tatica> decause, time to bother you. any progress?
14:05:53 <mizmo> marinaz: PyLadies, she's in that too
14:05:56 <marinaz> mizmo: ah, she sounds great for the panel then!!!
14:05:57 <tatica> (sorry jumped off the topic so fast, time is running out)
14:06:12 <meskarune> yeah, I agree marinaz
14:06:20 <jflory7> tatica: I remember there being good progress on this. I think the request was approved and the process of getting it spinning is started.
14:06:30 <tatica> fantastic!
14:06:33 <Amita> cool
14:06:43 <Amita> when can I have devel instance to test
14:06:43 <jflory7> This is just what I remember from an IRC conversation somewhere, at some point... could probably use a solid confirmation. :)
14:06:44 <tatica> I would definitely like to have some numbers for flock
14:06:58 <tatica> even if the numbers are really low
14:07:06 <tatica> but spreading the survey at flock would be fantastic
14:07:11 <Amita> true
14:07:18 <Amita> and add value to the group as well
14:07:56 <tatica> there's a moment on the movie legally blonde 2 where someone tells the main character that the congress woman doesn't understand emotions but do understand numbers
14:07:56 <marinaz> Amita: for the interviews - whom would you like to do an interview with a set of questions and whom would you like to write articles? I think in-depth articles about people's work could be very interesting
14:08:08 <tatica> that has been in my head ever since then... we need numbers
14:08:42 <Amita> marinaz, as you suggest, I mean I am open to both
14:08:55 <Amita> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Riecatnor is my favorite
14:08:56 <Amita> :)
14:09:20 <marinaz> we need to discuss some questions for the panel as part of creating a proposal - we should kick off a thread with possible panelists asap - because we should have their names in the proposal and they would influence what the panel is about
14:09:27 * decause catches up
14:09:32 <tatica> decause, jflory7 when do you think I can push you guys to see something?
14:09:48 <decause> anytime :)
14:09:52 <tatica> marinaz, sure
14:09:53 <Amita> marinaz, I agree with you, we can do that on mail
14:10:05 <Amita> decause, I need devel instance
14:10:06 <Amita> to test
14:10:07 <tatica> #action email the list to reach potential speakers for the diversity panel
14:10:10 <marinaz> Amita: :) I see Reicatnor writing an awesome article about Fedora badges; maybe we can have people both write articles and do interviews
14:10:17 <decause> of?
14:10:34 <Amita> decause, for survey page
14:10:46 <Amita> marinaz, you got me
14:10:47 <marinaz> Amita: or maybe we should just do interviews with Fedora OPW/Outreachy/GSoC alums who wouldn't be up for writing a full article
14:10:57 <Amita> I wanted it this way..
14:11:07 <Amita> first article .. then followed by questions
14:11:10 <tatica> #topic Open Floor
14:11:18 <marinaz> Amita: ah! sounds great!
14:11:21 <mizmo> maybe offer them to write an article or interview? (interview is less work, so if they dont have the time but still want to participate)
14:11:22 <tatica> decause, jflory7 when can we have a talk about survey progress?
14:11:24 <jflory7> tatica: If you haven't already seen, some of bee2502's proposed work for her GSoC proposal might be of interest towards turning emotions => numbers. She's done a good bit of that already but she has some ideas / plans for more things over the summer. :)
14:11:27 <Amita> marinaz, hug
14:11:28 <decause> we (osas) are going to sponsor a hosted version of limesurvey
14:11:54 <marinaz> Amita: it sounds like we should focus on the Flock proposals by next Friday and we can resume Fedora Women Day planning after, and come up with the interview questions then
14:11:55 <tatica> jflory7, link pls!
14:11:59 <marinaz> Amita: hug!
14:12:02 * jflory7 digs
14:12:02 <decause> that account ahould be created sometime next week
14:12:20 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2016/Student_Application_bee2502
14:12:22 <jflory7> tatica: ^
14:12:33 <Amita> marinaz, sounds like a plan, but are we going to do talk or panel discussion?
14:12:36 <Amita> for flock
14:13:57 <Amita> tatica, ^^ ?
14:14:10 <Amita> panel discussion is in
14:14:27 <marinaz> Amita: it sounds like we'll do several proposals - "Building an Inclusive Community" panel, what we have done for diversity, goals discussion, and your women in Fedora talk are the ones I heard mentioned
14:14:50 <tatica> Amita, fedora women, I think could be a collaborative talk
14:14:56 <Amita> marinaz, okay .. I will initiate a mail for both
14:14:58 <tatica> the diversity panel I'm already writting the email
14:15:16 <jflory7> A collaborative talk / panel would be cool :)
14:15:30 <Amita> tatica, okay
14:16:08 <Amita> we can demonstrate the survey results during panel discussion
14:16:14 <tatica> #action tatica wrote an email to diversity list about Diversity Panel, please share up!
14:16:26 <marinaz> tatica: I think "what have been done+goals discussion" could be one BoF
14:16:31 <tatica> Amita, to do that, I need decause and jflory7 to provide me some numbers :D
14:16:54 <Amita> decause, :D ^^
14:17:03 <marinaz> tatica: what is the state for the survey? I'd like to look over the questions again before it goes live
14:17:06 <tatica> decause, I would only need an admin panel or something that I can constantly refresh the results
14:17:12 <Amita> decause, is a gentlemen and help us in that before flock ;)
14:17:40 <decause> :) I'm not super experienced in conduxtimg surveys, but we should plan a timeline
14:18:02 <decause> starting from when we present results at flock, going backwards
14:18:02 <tatica> marinaz, https://v.etherpad.org/p/Diversity_Survey
14:18:04 <tatica> so far
14:18:12 <mizmo> I have some background in survey design / likert scales / that sort of thing
14:18:40 <decause> mizmo++
14:18:42 <tatica> I love when etherpad is so colorful... :D
14:19:11 <decause> I'll def make aure we get limesurvey account by next week
14:19:16 <decause> maybe sooner
14:19:21 <Amita> decause++
14:19:25 <tatica> decause++
14:19:32 <Amita> com'on zodbot
14:19:40 <Amita> show the karma
14:19:40 <tatica> ok, so... to wrap up
14:20:01 <marinaz> tatica: we should review the disability question - my manager Jamie pointed me to this list     https://home.eease.com/vsid/Voluntary%20Self-Identification%20of%20Disability%20CC-305.pdf
14:20:07 <marinaz> which is something we could use
14:20:08 <tatica> * Amita and marinaz will start working on the Fedora Women article of GSoC participation
14:20:11 <decause> #action decause create limesurvey account for OSAS with jzb
14:20:40 <decause> (I've mentioned this in both council and commops meetings)
14:20:42 <tatica> * decause jflory7 mizmo and I will work on the survey (follow up)
14:20:45 <decause> :)
14:20:49 <jflory7> For anything related to Fedora Magazine / Community Blog, you can always ping me in either #fedora-mktg / #fedora-commops too.
14:20:52 <tatica> marinaz, fantastic pdf!
14:20:57 <marinaz> tatica: I can go over the survey again next week - I'm a bit swamped this week
14:20:59 <jflory7> tatica++ Sounds like a plan to me.
14:21:06 <tatica> marinaz, great!
14:21:06 <marinaz> tatica: it's linked to in the etherpad
14:21:26 <marinaz> jflory7++
14:21:30 <tatica> * flock: amita send us the abstract for feedback - email about panel is up, waiting for response and submit proposal
14:21:40 <Amita> yeah
14:21:42 <Amita> I am in
14:21:53 <tatica> * leave Fedora Women Day planning for next week once we finish flock tasks
14:22:08 <tatica> does that sounds ok? did I include everything?
14:22:08 <jflory7> #agreed Amita and marinaz will start working on the Fedora Women article of GSoC participation
14:22:11 <jflory7> #agreed flock: amita send us the abstract for feedback - email about panel is up, waiting for response and submit proposal
14:22:18 <jflory7> #agreed leave Fedora Women Day planning for next week once we finish flock tasks
14:22:29 <decause> jflory7++
14:22:33 <tatica> what would I do without you all...
14:22:44 <tatica> you put my ideas into action...
14:22:45 <tatica> .bacon
14:22:45 <zodbot> ≋≋≋≋ BACON ≋≋≋≋
14:22:45 <Amita> tatica, drink coffee
14:22:47 <jflory7> :)
14:22:47 <decause> .tatica
14:22:48 <zodbot> I love tatica, you love tatica, WE ALL LOVE TATICA!
14:22:50 <jflory7> .tatica
14:22:51 <zodbot> I love tatica, you love tatica, WE ALL LOVE TATICA!
14:23:02 <Amita> .jflory7
14:23:22 <Amita> zodbot, why
14:23:29 <mizmo> ohhhh bacon command
14:23:48 <jflory7> Amita: .tatica is a special command :)
14:24:00 <Amita> jflory7, haha.. for sure
14:24:01 <Amita> :P
14:24:03 <marinaz> mizmo: could you share tatica's e-mail with Maria Leonova and invite her to participate in the panel?
14:24:10 <mizmo> marinaz: already done :)
14:24:11 <marinaz> please CC me and tatica
14:24:18 <marinaz> mizmo: you are the best :)!
14:24:30 <jflory7> Another contributor to consider is Bee... I think she might be interested in that too.
14:24:33 <jflory7> .fas bee2502
14:24:33 <zodbot> jflory7: bee2502 'Bhagyashree Padalkar' <bhagyashree.iitg@gmail.com>
14:24:34 <mizmo> ah i didn't think to cc you guys, but if she says youre interested ill do an email with everyone
14:24:48 <marinaz> mizmo: sounds great!
14:24:51 <marinaz> no worries
14:25:04 <Amita> need to go now.. thanks everyone
14:25:06 <Amita> byee
14:25:08 <jflory7> Amita++
14:25:11 <jflory7> Thanks for coming! :)
14:25:18 <Amita> :)
14:25:20 <marinaz> bye Amita!
14:25:50 * decause waves to amita
14:25:56 <tatica> ok, then lets call it done for today!
14:26:00 <tatica> am I back?
14:26:25 <jflory7> tatica: Now you are :)
14:26:44 <tatica> power outages are back... whoa!!!! u_U
14:26:46 <tatica> ...
14:26:51 <tatica> awful
14:26:52 <tatica> anyway, did I miss something? I was about to close the meeting :(
14:27:08 <decause> nope, we're good :)
14:27:24 <marinaz> thanks tatica for a great meeting!
14:27:30 <jflory7> tatica++ for chairing!
14:27:38 <tatica> #endmeeting