18:31:02 <mizmo_> #startmeeting design-team
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18:31:02 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.start -- mizmo_ started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design
18:31:04 <mizmo_> hey sam08  :)
18:31:26 <sam08> have i missed anything?
18:31:31 <mizmo_> its weird that we have no issues using irc for well over a decade and now the past several meetings in a row it's issue after issue
18:31:43 <mizmo_> not at all. i just spent some time with a friendly freenode oper fixing our channel
18:31:55 <sam08> oh, okay
18:32:04 <mizmo_> theres two main things i wanna do in the time left
18:32:16 <mizmo_> look into where we left off with the wallpaper for f30 bc i totally dont remember
18:32:21 <mizmo_> and maybe a little ticket triage
18:32:28 <mizmo_> what do you think
18:33:07 <sam08> uhm, well i'll be here for the next 30 mins, i guess
18:33:15 <sam08> hopefully i can hepl wth both? :)
18:33:22 <sam08> *help
18:33:51 <nb> mizmo_, yes we can
18:33:57 <mizmo_> nb, i just fixed it
18:34:00 <nb> oh ok
18:34:08 <sam08> tbh, i know nothing about f30 wp
18:34:08 <mizmo_> i... am not happy that was done
18:34:12 <mizmo_> without discussion with the team
18:34:30 <mizmo_> i dont recall ever seeing a spam attack in here, i understand its a mitigation that makes sense but its also a really unfriendly setting for designers
18:34:35 <mizmo_> particularly those of us using riot
18:34:40 * nb would have to look back at the logs, I thought it was done in response to a spam attack
18:35:03 <mizmo_> i should have logs on my other system, ill take a look
18:35:05 <nb> but it could be that we just enabled it in a lot of places as prevention
18:35:13 * nb will make sure not to do it again without discussion
18:35:18 <mizmo_> thanks i really appreciate it
18:35:32 <mizmo_> #topic f30 background
18:35:32 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of mizmo_'s "design-team" meeting changed to "f30 background" in #fedora-design
18:35:36 <mizmo_> ok so here's where we left off
18:35:42 <mizmo_> we need to have an f30 brainstorm / hack session
18:35:52 <mizmo_> we were looking at ideas around fresnel lenses
18:36:18 <mizmo_> eg http://wallpaperswide.com/fresnel_lens-wallpapers.html
18:36:26 <mizmo_> https://www.shutterstock.com/de/video/clip-10182107-blue-fresnel-lens-light-smoke-abstract-background
18:36:26 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- mizmo_ linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://www.shutterstock.com/de/video/clip-10182107-blue-fresnel-lens-light-smoke-abstract-background"
18:36:42 <mizmo_> i think another blender wallpaper would be really good
18:36:50 <nb> mizmo_, looks like there were several spam bots attacking this channel on 2018-07-31 and I set the mode then and then I never removed it
18:36:51 <mizmo_> we've done them the past 2 releases now i think? and they've gone over quite well
18:37:24 <mizmo_> nb, ahhh ok, thanks for looking it up. we've been having issues with riot clients since then (although in the past couple of months they've gotten much worse) so there might be something else going on too
18:37:49 <mizmo_> sam08, you are pretty good with blender right?
18:38:01 <sam08> mizmo, mh, sort of :)
18:38:22 <mizmo_> i'm wondering if we could do something like this - http://wallpaperswide.com/fresnel_lens-wallpapers.html
18:38:30 <mizmo_> where it's a fresnel lens with that 'layered cake' look
18:38:55 <mizmo_> and it's on top of a fedora logo so the logo isn't obvious, it should be subtle, and it's getting refracted by the lens
18:39:31 <sam08> okay, modelling the lens should be pretty easy
18:39:37 <mizmo_> i think you do that by setting the world texture right? maybe the world texture could be a bright white room with a fedora logo
18:40:20 <sam08> world texture as in environment map or world background?
18:40:57 <mizmo_> i am not 100% sure, lol, i've done this once or twice before, i think i did it as a world background
18:41:19 <mizmo_> i don't know if that'd work here though, im not very good at materials
18:41:47 <sam08> surely i can give it a try and see what happens
18:41:55 <mizmo_> that would be awesome
18:42:13 <mizmo_> this one does it with glass balls - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p7l9MNpLdo
18:42:37 <sam08> so your idea is to have the a subtle reflection of the logo on the faces of the lens, right?
18:42:47 <mizmo_> exactly
18:43:24 <mizmo_> he has it reflecting a room with windows
18:43:36 <sam08> okay, sounds good to me
18:43:55 <sam08> is there a ticket for the wallpaper i can subscribe to?
18:44:18 <mizmo_> i dont know if its obvious from th elook too but this is the actual profile of a fresnel https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fresnel_lens.svg
18:44:26 <mizmo_> there isn't! ill make one now, assign it to you for now?
18:44:57 <sam08> yes, go ahead!
18:45:05 <mizmo_> cool :) thank you!
18:45:18 <sam08> anytime :)
18:45:55 <fm-design> pagure.issue.new -- duffy opened a new ticket design#625: "Fedora 30 Wallpaper" https://pagure.io/design/issue/625
18:45:56 <sam08> oh, is there a deadline for this?
18:46:34 <fm-design> pagure.issue.edit -- duffy edited the content fields of ticket design#625 https://pagure.io/design/issue/625
18:46:43 <mizmo_> there we go https://pagure.io/design/issue/625
18:46:47 <mizmo_> let me look at the timeline, sec
18:47:33 <mizmo_> we need something packaged for beta by Tue 2019-02-26
18:47:40 <mizmo_> eek thats not a ton of time :(
18:47:55 <mizmo_> can you check back in with me in a week?
18:48:53 <sam08> it's about a month, we'd done it in much less before :P
18:49:02 <mizmo_> thats true
18:49:19 <sam08> and yes, sure, i will work on it in the weekend
18:49:48 <fm-design> pagure.issue.edit -- duffy edited the content fields of ticket design#625 https://pagure.io/design/issue/625
18:49:54 <mizmo_> awesome thank you so much
18:50:00 <mizmo_> based on how it goes we can figure out next steps
18:50:21 <mizmo_> ok let's look at some tickets now in the 10 minn left
18:50:24 <mizmo_> #topic ticket triage
18:50:24 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of mizmo_'s "design-team" meeting changed to "ticket triage" in #fedora-design
18:50:48 <mizmo_> https://pagure.io/design/issue/623
18:50:48 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- mizmo_ linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pagure.io/design/issue/623"
18:50:54 <mizmo_> this one was stuck on mindshare
18:50:58 <mizmo_> bc we dont know budget and vendor
18:53:06 <mizmo_> all right it doesn't look like a tshirt budget is indicated in the mindshare ticket so i'm asking the filer to clarify
18:53:16 <sam08> okay
18:53:52 <mizmo_> i'm looking at this one now https://pagure.io/design/issue/621
18:54:07 <mizmo_> last triage i think terezahl took it so ill just ping her for an update if there is one https://pagure.io/design/issue/621
18:54:14 <mizmo_> at this point though it'll be for f30 :)
18:54:21 <mizmo_> which is fine, it was filed pretty late
18:54:28 <mizmo_> a general template that could be used release to release would be good
18:54:54 <mizmo_> this one https://pagure.io/design/issue/620
18:54:57 <mizmo_> oh boy this one :)
18:55:09 <mizmo_> so i have a few things to show for this i haven't posted yet bc the ticket is godawful noisy
18:55:11 <sam08> let me take a look
18:55:20 <mizmo_> but ive been posting them to twitter for quick feedback along the way
18:55:22 <mizmo_> this is the latest:
18:55:39 <mizmo_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxtQLjTXcAAlVkE.png:large
18:55:39 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- mizmo_ linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxtQLjTXcAAlVkE.png:large"
18:55:47 <mizmo_> some things to note:
18:55:58 <mizmo_> - first row has a sharp gap in the f crossbar
18:56:07 <mizmo_> - second and 3rd rows have rounded gap in the f cross bar
18:56:14 <mizmo_> - first column is short f loop
18:56:25 <mizmo_> - 2nd and 3rd cols are longer f loops, actually a mirror of the mark's f loop
18:56:30 <sam08> what's the font?
18:56:35 <mizmo_> comfortaa
18:56:56 <mizmo_> 2 and 5 have double decker a's - the rendering is very rough, they're still WIP, bc comfortaa doesnt have a double decker a option so i'm building them from scratch
18:57:37 <mizmo_> these all have the tilted e, which enables tighter kerning with the 'f' and also mimics the diagonal of the infinity mark; it's unclosed to mimic the gaps in the mark too
18:58:04 <mizmo_> ah right, 3rd col is an exact copy of the mark's f loop, the middle it's drawn differently so it's not the same
18:58:22 <mizmo_> 1st and 2nd rows have uneven loops in the infinity, the 3rd row is even loops
18:59:17 <mizmo_> im planning to do a blog post this week on some of the tweaks and experiments
18:59:32 <mizmo_> finishing the new a's is the next task, then i'll do the blog
18:59:51 <sam08> i just tried to scale it down on a standard 96dpi display, and the gapped "e" doesn't render quite right imo
19:00:21 <mizmo_> how much did you scale it
19:00:40 <sam08> 25% of the original size
19:01:06 <mizmo_> hm ok, ill take a look. i have 4k and it scales ok beyond that
19:01:26 <mizmo_> any way to screenshot what you're seeing?
19:01:38 <sam08> yup, hold on
19:01:42 <sam08> er, wait
19:04:52 <sam08> https://imgur.com/a/d8dHtdd
19:04:53 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- sam08 linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://imgur.com/a/d8dHtdd"
19:05:40 <sam08> it's original on top, 50% and 25% at the bottom
19:06:22 <mizmo_> oh yeh i see it at 25%
19:06:26 <sam08> standard browser resizing, so cubic scaling , i suppose
19:06:29 <mizmo_> ok ill play with it, thank you!
19:06:43 <mizmo_> ok we're over the hour now so i'll end meeting unless theres anything else?
19:06:55 <sam08> not from my side :)
19:07:04 <mizmo_> ok cool, thanks for coming :) its nice to not be lonely :)
19:07:05 <mizmo_> #endmeeting