14:08:28 <mizmo> #startmeeting design-team
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14:08:29 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.start -- duffy started meeting "design-team" in #fedora-design
14:08:48 <mizmo> #topic some announcements first
14:08:49 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.topic.update -- The topic of duffy's "design-team" meeting changed to "some announcements first" in #fedora-design
14:09:03 <mizmo> #action F26 wallpaper improvements
14:09:03 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.action -- duffy noted an action in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "F26 wallpaper improvements"
14:09:16 <mizmo> I'm not actually sure of the timeline we have for getting F26 wallpaper improvements into the beta
14:09:17 <mizmo> lemme look
14:10:24 <mizmo> Beta freeze is 5-16, so we really want any edits ready to be packaged in the next week or 2
14:10:30 <mizmo> sam08: have you seen our alpha wallpaper?
14:10:35 <mizmo> maybe you'd have ideas for pushing it further :)
14:11:13 <sam08> yep, i've read something on the ml, not sure which is the final version though
14:11:25 <mleonova> hey sam08 and mizmo
14:11:34 <mizmo> hey mleonova!
14:11:38 <mizmo> sam08: lemme grab you a link
14:11:50 <sam08> thanks, mizmo
14:11:58 <sam08> hey mleonova!
14:13:32 <mizmo> sam08: here it is http://imgur.com/a/gc9Zx
14:13:58 <sam08> i also read something about the default logo overlay clashing with the bg, has that been solved?
14:14:11 <mizmo> sam08: these are the sources - https://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f26/
14:14:25 <mizmo> sam08: i think so, there's a BZ, the logo in f26 is going to be swapped for a dark one
14:15:15 <mizmo> one issue tho - luya put together a time color changing one, which might also cause issues with the color of the logotype
14:15:29 <mizmo> so we might want to tweak the color change ones to make sure they always work with a dark logo
14:16:51 <sam08> well, i really like this one, i can't remember a light default wp in fedora
14:17:02 <mizmo> yeh i think we've always had dark
14:17:15 <sam08> they're generally all set in some darker blueish hues
14:17:18 <mizmo> i know there's some minor errors, there's a horizontal line above the treeline somehow
14:17:42 <sam08> jw, is the 5:4 version still used?
14:18:05 <sam08> guess it's called normalish
14:18:54 <mizmo> sam08: yep
14:19:30 <sam08> is it cropped out from this one?
14:20:13 <mizmo> i dont know if we packaged a 5:4 version in alpha, but it would have to be yeh
14:21:45 <sam08> i can try to expand this either or both on top or bottom, would be a pity cropping that fading trees thing
14:22:17 <mizmo> sam08: that would be great!!
14:22:27 <mizmo> sam08: ill make a ticket for it and assign to you ok?
14:22:36 <sam08> sure!
14:22:36 <mizmo> can you have something by next weekish?
14:22:43 <mizmo> awesome
14:22:52 <mizmo> #action mizmo to make beta wallpaper ticket, assign to sam08
14:22:52 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.action -- duffy noted an action in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "mizmo to make beta wallpaper ticket, assign to sam08"
14:23:17 <sam08> i'll be afk next i'm afraid, so i will try to come up with something during this weekend
14:23:26 <mizmo> #action sam08 to work on iteration of f26 wallpaper for beta (expand for 5:4 version as to not crop treeline), will try this weekend
14:23:26 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.action -- duffy noted an action in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "sam08 to work on iteration of f26 wallpaper for beta (expand for 5:4 version as to not crop treeline), will try this weekend"
14:23:28 <mizmo> that's fine!
14:23:33 <mizmo> okay other stuff
14:23:45 <mizmo> so we should start ramping up probably on Flock design stuff
14:23:55 <mizmo> Ryan kicked things off with an initial logo and website design
14:24:12 <mizmo> i riffed on the logo a bit, and did a blog post, sec -
14:24:47 <mizmo> oh #info beta freeze 5-16; lets have beta wallpaper ready to package no later than 5-9
14:24:50 <mizmo> er
14:24:54 <mizmo> #info beta freeze 5-16; lets have beta wallpaper ready to package no later than 5-9
14:24:54 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "beta freeze 5-16; lets have beta wallpaper ready to package no later than 5-9"
14:25:07 <mizmo> #info flock design work kicking off
14:25:07 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "flock design work kicking off"
14:25:59 <mizmo> http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2017/04/18/flock-cod-logo-ideas/
14:26:00 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2017/04/18/flock-cod-logo-ideas/"
14:26:51 <mizmo> I think F / F inverse is the way we should go
14:27:03 <mizmo> the main difference is the rope
14:27:28 <mizmo> the knot tie is corrected, but some people have complained it's a 'wimpy' knot (i don't know so much about this)
14:27:41 <mleonova> I like the knot on the rope
14:27:42 <mizmo> so maybe we avoid it
14:27:57 <mizmo> i like it too, honestly
14:28:08 <mizmo> so maybe let's say F inverse is how we're going
14:28:10 <mleonova> it's great visually
14:28:16 <mizmo> #info we're going with the F inverse logo
14:28:16 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "we're going with the F inverse logo"
14:28:20 <sam08> is this going to be screen printed somewhere? idk, t-shirts, swags
14:28:34 <mizmo> and we can work out treatment on it, change up the colors / etc as needed / as we want
14:28:47 <mizmo> sam08: potentially. we may or may not be doing T-shirts this year. but the design is such it works well one-color
14:29:16 <sam08> yep, exactly, F would need two separate colors, F inverse just one
14:30:02 <mizmo> yeh agreed :)
14:30:28 <mizmo> #info the logo will work one-color if needed
14:30:28 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "the logo will work one-color if needed"
14:30:57 <mizmo> so mleonova and i chatted about it this morning - i think we'll want a sticker sheet design
14:31:07 <mizmo> and in aggregate the series of logos looks pretty nice
14:31:15 <mizmo> so one idea would be to make a sticker sheet with all the logo variations on it
14:31:21 <mleonova> yeah, I created this one for myself: https://pagure.io/design/issue/513
14:31:33 <mizmo> maybe make them a little more different from each other, adding in more fonts, design elements (besides the lighthouse) etc
14:31:36 <mizmo> yep!
14:32:00 <mleonova> maybe not all of them, but a few + separate word as flock and cape cod or maybe the lighthouse etc
14:32:10 <mizmo> i got a price quote from sticker giant, we could get 300 sheets at $.69 a sheet and have unlimited cuts per sheet, 5" x 8" size sheet
14:32:55 <mizmo> mleonova: right, sorry, theres too many to have on a sheet that size. the best ones + new variations if needed
14:33:26 <mleonova> so I'd vote A, B , F obviously
14:33:53 <mleonova> J is pretty cool)
14:34:05 <mizmo> maybe come up with 2 more new variations? and have a fedora logo sticker too? make a 6 sticker sheet?
14:34:18 <mleonova> I'll play around with variations, sounds good!
14:34:28 <mizmo> also the background of the sheet doesnt have to be white, the area you peel from can have a design too
14:34:41 <mleonova> neat =)
14:34:43 <mizmo> you could do a beach scene as the background and the stickers are on top of it, something like that
14:34:48 <mizmo> i cant wait to see what you come up with :)
14:34:57 <mizmo> #info mleonova working on a sticker sheet design for flock
14:34:57 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "mleonova working on a sticker sheet design for flock"
14:35:00 <mleonova> ha, me too ;)
14:36:23 <mizmo> ok the other thing i wanted to point out - i wrote flock-planning list with a list of design tasks, i'm not 100% which ones we're definitely doing this year or not, but we'll eventually want tickets and folks working on them
14:36:45 <mizmo> lemme grab the url
14:37:18 <mizmo> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/flock-planning@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/Z4Y65RQHA5OPCTQQVCGIQZO7GDEUVV2G/
14:37:19 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/flock-planning@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/Z4Y65RQHA5OPCTQQVCGIQZO7GDEUVV2G/"
14:37:53 <mizmo> one change from past years - a number of people noted that the schedule in the flock book was out of date and ryan did an awesome wall calendar paste up that ended up being really useful
14:38:24 <mizmo> so we may not want to include the schedule in the book and instead design a system of generating printable PDFs for cut-out schedule items that could be pasted up (make sense?)
14:38:50 <mleonova> I was voting for keeping the book, but it does make sense, yes
14:39:25 <mizmo> mleonova: oh we'd keep the book, just not have the schedule in it
14:39:31 <mleonova> book is great for carrying around and looking at when internet connection is bad
14:39:47 <mleonova> then I don't see why not keep the schedule
14:39:52 <mizmo> maybe instead of having the schedule in it, we could have an alpha list of the planned talks with checkboxes for people to mark the ones they want to go to and a space to write room number / time?
14:40:08 <mleonova> maybe yes - some sort of planning system
14:40:13 <mizmo> and they could look up the room / time on the wall schedule
14:40:14 <mizmo> yeh
14:40:53 <mleonova> my point was when you are away from the wall and don't have internet, but want to discuss schedule and plan, books are handy
14:40:57 <mizmo> oh man
14:41:02 <mizmo> i just had a random weird idea
14:41:14 <mizmo> what if we had sticker sheets that had talk names on them
14:41:25 <mizmo> and a blank schedule in the book
14:41:34 <mleonova> hah =) that's fun
14:41:41 <mizmo> and people could build their own personal schedule that way
14:41:52 <mizmo> another idea -
14:41:57 <gnokii> huhu
14:42:07 <mleonova> hey gnokii
14:42:13 <sam08> hi gnokii
14:42:17 <mizmo> instead of having the schedule printed in the book, having a print out done of sched.org the day before and we have it available as an insert
14:42:18 <mizmo> hey gnokii!
14:42:26 <gnokii> he sam08 mizmo
14:42:46 <mleonova> mizmo, 2nd one would certainly be easier to do
14:43:25 <mizmo> yeh the stickers might be too fussy for attendees
14:43:31 <mizmo> the difference tho -
14:43:38 <mizmo> 1) build your own schedule - just has the sessions you plan to go to
14:43:53 <mizmo> 2) printed schedule day before - has all sessions including the ones you're not going to
14:44:17 <mizmo> maybe do the printed schedule the day before and have stickers people could use to mark the ones they want to go to? lol they can just use a pen tho
14:44:25 * mizmo just likes stickers today
14:44:31 <mleonova> =)
14:44:47 <gnokii> schedule.dingens has this already
14:45:37 <mizmo> gnokii: whats that?
14:46:02 <gnokii> the schedule service we used for flock always has the personal schedule feature already
14:46:15 <gnokii> was it sched.org I dont know right now
14:46:28 <mizmo> gnokii: yep thats right
14:46:29 <mizmo> yeh
14:46:42 <mizmo> im making it too complicated :) i think a print out day before should be fine. i can arrange for that.
14:46:51 <mizmo> well, hopefully sched.org provides an easily printed version :)
14:47:01 <gnokii> nope
14:47:16 <mizmo> #agreed we'll have a printed schedule insert for the booklet done the day before - it's handy to have on paper if the internet goes down
14:47:17 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.agreed -- duffy noted agreement in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "we'll have a printed schedule insert for the booklet done the day before - it's handy to have on paper if the internet goes down"
14:47:36 <mizmo> gnokii: i might investigate if theres any kind of api for sucking the data down that we could automate a printable version
14:47:46 <mizmo> #action mizmo to look into if theres a way to autogenerate a printable schedule version for sched.org
14:47:46 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.action -- duffy noted an action in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "mizmo to look into if theres a way to autogenerate a printable schedule version for sched.org"
14:48:45 <mizmo> ok can anybody think of anything else flock we might want to think about?
14:48:47 <mizmo> any awesome ideas?
14:49:06 <gnokii> 5 years flock - 5 years faces
14:49:32 <mizmo> oh thats a nice idea - a portrait project?
14:49:54 <gnokii> yes, I have taken each flock portraits and jsmith as kushal as well
14:51:20 <mizmo> gnokii: do you think it'd be possible to do a flock faces post each night of the event on fedora magazine?
14:51:49 <gnokii> mizmo, I already did this all the years in my personal blog
14:52:24 <mizmo> gnokii: oh i know, but to consolidate them in one nightly post might be nice, make them easier to find
14:52:48 <gnokii> http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=4932
14:52:48 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- gnokii linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=4932"
14:53:29 <gnokii> http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=4808
14:53:29 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- gnokii linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=4808"
14:54:06 <gnokii> http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=4634
14:54:06 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- gnokii linked to more information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=4634"
14:54:48 <gnokii> better not try to find the other ones, takes to many traffic
14:55:12 <mizmo> these are so great
14:56:14 <mizmo> maybe we could do a sort of restrospective of some of these in the booklet
14:57:11 <gnokii> sure
14:57:53 <sam08> i don't know how many of these are there, but could be nice doing something like a mosaic
14:58:00 <mizmo> yeh!
14:58:13 <mizmo> #info idea: photo mosaic of flock faces retrospective for flock booklet
14:58:14 <fm-design> meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in the "design-team" meeting in #fedora-design: "idea: photo mosaic of flock faces retrospective for flock booklet"
14:58:29 <sam08> if there are enough of them i could try to animate it so it can be used in the looping video too
14:58:46 <mizmo> ooh that could be cool!
14:58:47 <gnokii> its around 40 a year I did shoot
14:59:44 <mizmo> another random booklet idea
14:59:45 <mizmo> hehe
14:59:46 <mizmo> its probably dumb
14:59:46 <mizmo> but what if we had a flock bingo
15:00:02 <mizmo> meet certain people at flock
15:00:29 <mizmo> it might be interesting, if first-time attendees were on the bingo, it would be a way to encourage old timers to say hi to them and make them feel welcome
15:00:38 <mizmo> if you complete the bingo maybe you get some swag
15:00:46 <sam08> uhm, like, how many of them can you spot?
15:01:01 <mizmo> i think we want them to say hi and introduce themselves, and maybe ask a question
15:01:46 <gnokii> mmh
15:02:03 <mizmo> an ice breaker question
15:02:06 <mizmo> i dont know maybe it's hokey
15:02:13 <mizmo> ill put it on the planning list and see what ppl think
15:02:30 <mizmo> all right we're at the top of the hour now
15:02:34 <mizmo> anything else we should cover?
15:03:43 <mizmo> ok im gonna end meeting! thanks everybody for coming :)
15:03:44 <mizmo> #endmeeting