11:46:02 <ryanlerch> #startmeeting Fedora Design team
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11:46:03 <skamath> mleonova, ryanlerch : Thanks :)
11:46:13 <ryanlerch> #chair mleonova mshakshober_
11:46:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: mleonova mshakshober_ ryanlerch
11:46:31 <ryanlerch> #topic general discussion
11:47:09 <mleonova> are you coming to FAD, ryanlerch ?
11:47:10 <ryanlerch> 
11:47:28 <ryanlerch> mleonova: sadly, i am not going to make it in person to the FAD :(
11:47:37 <ryanlerch> but i am going to attend remotely
11:47:54 <mleonova> ryanlerch, oh, ok
11:48:08 <ryanlerch> i am heading to Flock though, so i will be involved in the design clinic for sure at flock
11:48:23 <mleonova> that's great!
11:48:31 <ryanlerch> mleonova: are you getting to the FAD? and or FLock?
11:48:44 <mleonova> I'll see you there =) I'm going to both
11:48:59 <ryanlerch> mleonova: awesome!
11:49:05 <mleonova> need to book hotel for Flock, though ;) it's not easy
11:49:11 <ryanlerch> what else is everyone working on?
11:49:32 <ryanlerch> i have been trying to get in contact with the Flock planners to see what items we need to do for them
11:49:52 <mshakshober_> i'm starting to work on the shirt design for Flock 2016!
11:49:53 <ryanlerch> #chair mizmo_
11:49:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: mizmo_ mleonova mshakshober_ ryanlerch
11:49:56 <mizmo_> I talked to decause yesterday, i think stickster did too
11:50:04 <mleonova> ryanlerch, flock planners - is that Brian, too?
11:50:11 <mleonova> hey mizmo_ !
11:50:15 <ryanlerch> hey mizmo_ !
11:50:22 <mizmo_> He was saying maybe to not do the conference lanyard badges as fancy because $$
11:50:32 <mizmo_> Hello frm my car ;-)
11:50:52 <mshakshober_> hi mimzo :)
11:50:56 <mizmo_> For the t-shirt we will probably use same vendor as the prague shirt
11:51:04 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: fair enough -- we can still do designs and mailmerges for printed out ones for them too
11:51:05 <mizmo_> Morning mshakshober_ :-)
11:51:48 <mizmo_> ryanlerch: yeh i think maybe we design for paper print outs and we get those cheap plastic sleeves. So we need to figure out which sleeves and design for that size
11:52:03 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: awesome.
11:52:21 <mleonova> mizmo_, and what about laminated badges - are those expensive?
11:52:33 <mizmo_> For the booklet - ryanlerch you have a nice setup for generating those right? Can previous years be used as a template? Are those online anywhere?
11:52:34 <ryanlerch> once we have a shirt desing, we tend to use that on the other items too usually
11:52:45 <mizmo_> mleonova: i think decause ws saying too $$
11:52:49 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: yeah i have them in our github
11:52:58 * ryanlerch has not moved them to pagure yet
11:53:04 <mizmo_> Mleonova but maybe simple lamination would be ok
11:53:17 <mleonova> mizmo_, okay)
11:53:18 <ryanlerch> but knowing the size they want to print too is pretty much needed before i start
11:53:22 <mizmo_> Ryanlerch ok sweet. Yeh in general i think we gotta do a mass kigration to pagure
11:53:33 <mleonova> I would imagine it would be cheaper to laminate paper than buy sleeves
11:53:49 <mleonova> but what do I know ;P
11:54:06 <mizmo_> Ryanlerch do you know the size we used for prague? Since they are close i think they were thinking abt using same vendors and keeping things very similar to how Prague went
11:54:28 <mizmo_> Ryanlerch so for booklet maybe we just dictate tothem the size based on what prague was
11:54:58 <mizmo_> Mleonova totally makes sense - do you know any vendors that could do the badges around brno?
11:55:18 <mizmo_> Im assuming we could get someone in brno to bring to krakow
11:55:27 <mleonova> mizmo_, uhm.. not me exactly, but I can ask the person who ordered those for devconf
11:55:48 <mizmo_> mleonova: oooh great idea! That would be awesome.
11:55:50 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: yeha i am not sure who did the booklets for praha
11:57:01 <mizmo_> I wonder if they had booklets. Ryanlerch im not so familiar with the a1 a2 a3 family of paper sizes... i think budget is tight wondering if the one smaller than a4 for booklet would be good (and easy to carry?)
11:57:32 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: a5 is half of an a4 (similar to letter)
11:57:36 <mizmo_> In apac we did... maybe a2? It was like half the size of a4 - versions of the selinux coloring book and it came out neat
11:57:43 <mizmo_> Ah ok it was a5 then
11:57:55 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: that is what i will aim for
11:58:01 <mizmo_> What if we did booklets a5?
11:58:35 <ryanlerch> at the very least someone can print them out in the office in BRNO
11:58:41 <ryanlerch> if budget is tight
11:59:37 <mizmo_> Ryanlerch if you can make a design without any bleeds... so a white margin.... could print on a5 in brno office then staple
11:59:52 <mizmo_> But i dont know if budget is *that* tight
12:00:23 <mizmo_> Lets assume not, from what I remember printing in brno is a lot cheaper than us
12:00:52 <mizmo_> mshakshober_: so you are on tshirts
12:01:01 <ryanlerch> okay, either way, it should be okay i think
12:01:03 <mizmo_> ryanlerch: you are on booklet right?
12:01:08 <mshakshober_> yea definitely!
12:01:16 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: yes!
12:01:17 <mizmo_> mleonova: you are on getting info about devconf badges?
12:01:27 <mleonova> mizmo_, trying, yeah
12:01:34 <mizmo_> Anything else we need?
12:01:37 <ryanlerch> #action ryanlerch to open ticket for Flock booklets, and do them
12:01:53 <mizmo_> Oh yes we need tickets for everything
12:02:06 <mizmo_> #action open tickets for lanyard badges and tshirt
12:02:29 <mizmo_> Gnokii did all of the fedora badges we need except party badge
12:02:40 <mizmo_> I opened a ticket for that, dont have it handy :-(
12:02:40 <gnokii> huhu
12:02:47 <mizmo_> Hey gnokii
12:02:49 <ryanlerch> awesome
12:03:04 <mizmo_> Do you want to do the party badge too? The party is going to be on a boat
12:03:36 <mizmo_> I feel like we might be forgetting smtg - was there anything else in your list in the email ryanlerch?
12:03:37 <gnokii> if I would go for the brewery boat we had in prague with the pirate party badge
12:04:49 <ryanlerch> ah signs!
12:04:58 <mizmo_> gnokii: I don't know the specifics but iirc decause said it would be similar to the prague boat
12:05:05 <ryanlerch> but that we will need more input from the organizers
12:05:08 <gnokii> there is a thing to do before, all the flock stuff
12:05:10 <ryanlerch> on room numbers, names
12:05:33 <mizmo_> ryanlerch: room numbers / room name signs... anything else? "Registration" ?
12:05:40 <gnokii> ryanlerch: https://flock2016.sched.org/
12:05:52 <gnokii> makes the room names clear ;)
12:06:05 <mizmo_> Oh good
12:06:14 <ryanlerch> yeah, i usually just put them on an a3 size, or something
12:06:20 <ryanlerch> we def need a ticket for it
12:06:26 <mizmo_> Is there going to be a lounge area? Open hackfest area?
12:06:38 <mizmo_> #action mizmo create ticket for flock signs
12:06:41 <ryanlerch> #action open ticket for signs for flock
12:06:45 <ryanlerch> #undo
12:06:45 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by ryanlerch at 12:06:41 : open ticket for signs for flock
12:06:47 <mizmo_> Haha great minds...
12:06:55 <ryanlerch> :)
12:07:16 <mizmo_> Who knows what our deadlines are :-/ we're at 5 weeks out now right
12:07:25 <ryanlerch> yeah, i think ASAP
12:07:36 <ryanlerch> but the shirt design is the first i think
12:07:49 <ryanlerch> since its going to be the one that will def need to be printed
12:08:01 <mizmo_> mshakshober_: can you put aside all your other work items and focus on the tshirt only today?
12:08:02 <ryanlerch> and we re-use that desing on other things
12:08:27 <mizmo_> mshakshober_: did bex reply to the email i sent last night asking about krakow?
12:08:45 <gnokii> can we take care before all this on the DVD for f24?
12:09:08 <mizmo_> gnokii: i thought inkscaper did that - did he only do sleeves?
12:09:09 <mshakshober_> sure, i'll make shirts my priority today
12:09:21 <mshakshober_> and i'll check my mail right now
12:09:43 <mizmo_> mshakshober_: great! (I totally get that its super early now lol, sorry)
12:09:45 <gnokii> well the sleeves but they fit not to what pjp needs on the end but he doesnt realize it
12:10:07 <mizmo_> gnokii: oh boy, what size does pjp need?
12:10:16 <mshakshober_> it didn't look like i had any mail from a "bex"
12:10:33 <gnokii> see the ticket I measured it, he is really to stupid to communicate it
12:10:36 <ryanlerch> mshakshober_: brian exelbeird i think
12:10:55 <mizmo_> mshakshober_: there was a woman on the ticket too cant remember her name. Subject line had "flock" in it. They may not have gotten back to us yet.
12:11:04 <ryanlerch> i think we are sorted with flock stuff now, right?
12:11:29 <mizmo_> gnokii, mleonova - as the resident europeans here can you suggest any krakow highlight to incorporate in design?
12:11:44 <gnokii> the wawel
12:11:44 <mizmo_> ryanlerch: yes thank youso much for getting the ball rolling on that
12:12:29 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: awesome! glad we have started!
12:12:34 <mizmo_> gnokii: is it a castle? Do you know anything abt its history / what its known for?
12:12:42 <gnokii> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wawel
12:12:59 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: a castle and church i think
12:13:17 <gnokii> yes its a castle Unesco cultural heritage once seat of the king of poland
12:13:20 <mizmo_> (Thanks)
12:13:59 <mleonova> mizmo_, uhm, not really, never ben
12:14:04 <mleonova> *been
12:14:21 <mizmo_> Ah i think wawel was used for fedora community blog post on flock
12:14:23 <ryanlerch> there are heaps of good cc-liceneced photos of it on wikipedia that we can use as a basis for a vectorization too
12:14:32 <mizmo_> Sweet
12:14:37 <mleonova> Brian should know, though, if anything
12:15:03 <mizmo_> mshakshober_: so i think we should start w research on wawel and come up w some basic concepts and run them by brian
12:15:14 <mizmo_> Sweet
12:15:33 <mizmo_> Oh just as a general announcement
12:15:37 <mizmo_> Ill topic it one sec
12:15:38 <mshakshober_> once i get in today, i'll do some research!
12:15:47 <mizmo_> #topic modularization
12:16:02 <mizmo_> So langdon invited me to the modularization project meeting yesterday
12:16:17 <mizmo_> They are working on modules which are kind of higher level than packages
12:16:39 <mizmo_> It might affect a lot of fedora stuff - our infra web apps, how apps get installed, etc etc
12:16:49 <mizmo_> So they wanted to sync up with us
12:16:54 <mizmo_> I think its early stages
12:17:05 <mizmo_> They have their own ux designer which is exciting
12:17:30 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: nice!
12:17:34 <mizmo_> Thats about what i know, i think after the red hat summit they are going to be in touch with us
12:17:56 <mizmo_> We may need to think about some fedora website changes as a result
12:17:58 <mizmo_> Ok
12:18:12 <mizmo_> Have we hit the ticket queue yet? Weve got about 10 min left right?
12:18:58 <mizmo_> #topic other
12:19:20 <mizmo_> I think the f24 media art is probably the most urgent ticket right now
12:19:48 <gnokii> we definitely have to look at alexanders designs the font looks so strange
12:20:02 <mizmo_> Did he post his sourcesm
12:20:14 <gnokii> not yet just previews
12:20:54 <mizmo_> I guess first step is to ask for his sources
12:21:08 <mizmo_> Do you know the ticket number offhand?
12:22:01 <gnokii> .design-team 542
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12:22:07 <gnokii> aargh
12:22:11 <ryanlerch> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/452
12:22:11 <fedmsg-design> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- ryanlerch linked to more information in the "Fedora Design team" meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/452"
12:22:13 <gnokii> #542
12:22:37 <gnokii> why does .design-team not work?
12:23:43 <ryanlerch> mizmo_: no we hadnt done the queue review yet
12:24:49 <mizmo_> Ugh what a frustrating ticket
12:26:10 <gnokii> yeah, for me is most frustrating he wasnt enabled to tell as last release the exact needs and then I explained to all what is what and what we need and now this
12:26:17 <mizmo_> I dont understand why he wont talk to vendor to get specs
12:26:43 <gnokii> mizmo: the problem is that the vendors there have no idea either
12:27:12 <gnokii> they really want AI files here and editing the shit
12:27:19 <mizmo_> Well it looks like inkscaper is going to work on labels so i think he'll get the design done its just a matter of getting a version pjp can use
12:28:26 * gnokii has here already the first fail print but fortunately it diffs from the proof I signed
12:28:59 <mizmo_> gnokii: is that an f24 print or f23?
12:29:22 <mizmo_> gnokii: can you take a photo of it? It might help to explain to pjp the problem
12:29:36 <mizmo_> gnokii: do you know what vendor did it?
12:30:29 <gnokii> no i dont know which vendor it is, he said he talked with the vendor and the vendor said there is no bleed needed
12:30:47 <gnokii> I know just that the vendor sucks 1/3 of the DVD doesnt work and the sleeve sucks also
12:32:06 <gnokii> but lets make tickets next meeting is soon
12:40:43 <ryanlerch> are we pretty much done?
12:41:26 <mleonova> ryanlerch, I don't think we have time to go through tickets?
12:44:20 <ryanlerch> no, we might need to cover this on the list, or next week
12:44:40 <ryanlerch> i'll end the meeting, but we can keep disciussing of course :)
12:44:44 <ryanlerch> #endmeeting