20:02:11 <mizmo> #startmeeting
20:02:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 25 20:02:11 2011 UTC.  The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:02:17 <mizmo> #topic roll call
20:02:19 <mizmo> hey who is around
20:02:30 * ianweller is lurking in class
20:02:34 * schendje is
20:02:38 <gnokii> me
20:02:53 <mizmo> this week we are ponies and unicorns
20:02:58 <ianweller> sweet
20:02:58 <mizmo> last week was pandas and... hotdogs i think
20:03:05 <ianweller> always hotdogs
20:03:08 <mizmo> heh
20:03:28 <mizmo> ianweller, did you get a chance to post ads for the supplemental wallpaper submission process on dA?
20:03:39 * mizmo doesn't remember if i bugged u about it before so sorry if im being a nag
20:03:41 <ianweller> oh god, i really suck at doing simple tasks :(
20:03:58 <mizmo> well it's a pita, it's maybe more than simple lol
20:04:10 <ianweller> i may have to give that task up to someone who has time :/
20:04:18 <mizmo> who around is gonna be a fudcon
20:04:21 * ianweller 
20:04:22 <mizmo> s/a/at
20:04:28 * ianweller will be a fudcon ;)
20:04:31 * mizmo 
20:04:33 <mizmo> :)
20:04:39 <mizmo> schendje, you are gonna be there right?
20:04:44 <schendje> hell yeah :)
20:04:47 <mizmo> tatica is gonna be there : ):) and emichan
20:04:48 * schendje is excited
20:05:04 * mizmo very excited to meet tatica and emichan IRL
20:05:09 <tatica> o/
20:05:15 <mizmo> pandas!
20:05:20 <tatica> I'm here, but dealing with a flisol guy who thinks that a business is a software libre lug
20:05:20 <tatica> :S
20:05:28 <schendje> will pandas be there too?!
20:05:29 <mizmo> give him hell tatica :)
20:05:35 <mizmo> i think there will be pandas
20:05:37 <schendje> (i ain't coming if they're not!)
20:05:39 <tatica> I'm on that just right now
20:05:40 <tatica> mizmo: hahahahaha
20:05:42 <schendje> hmm ok
20:05:46 <mizmo> theres definitely going to be an rrix in a hot dog shirt
20:05:46 <tatica> es, will be pandas!
20:05:56 * gnokii hides mabye tatica is hungry
20:05:59 <mizmo> okay cool
20:06:00 * schendje is looking forward to great weather
20:06:05 <tatica> jo jo jo jo
20:06:11 <mizmo> so let me hit up some agenda items
20:06:12 <ianweller> oh, i think i have an assignment from my dept to walk to the shirt shop near BYAC at ASU and give them a design for the happy hotdog shirt
20:06:16 <ianweller> so people can go pick one up, at fudcon
20:06:20 <tatica> mizmo: will we have chance to work on mockups for f15 at fuscon?
20:06:23 <ianweller> pay for and pick one up
20:06:23 <tatica> *fudcon
20:06:26 <mizmo> ianweller, make sure its the mustard indicates progress!!!!
20:06:34 <ianweller> mizmo: yes
20:06:36 <mizmo> i think rrix's has the text wrong
20:06:38 <ianweller> it does
20:06:43 <mizmo> tatica, yep we are gonna have a f15 wallpaper hackfest on monday
20:06:51 <tatica> awesome :D
20:06:58 <mizmo> so lets see
20:07:01 <tatica> you americans are weird... do an event on sunday
20:07:03 <ianweller> mizmo: i'll have a mockup for you after the meeting
20:07:09 <mizmo> ianweller++
20:07:10 <ianweller> :)
20:07:10 <finalzone> hello all
20:07:14 <mizmo> hey finalzone
20:07:14 <tatica> if I do that here, will kick me of the community the first day
20:07:15 <tatica> lol
20:07:43 <mizmo> #topic design team blog
20:07:45 <mizmo> so
20:07:47 <mizmo> we got it fixed!
20:07:58 <mizmo> so you probably saw the tempe t-shirt post schendje did appear on planet fedora last week
20:08:12 <mizmo> smooge figured out there was some wordpress bug in the feed and he got it working again
20:08:35 <mizmo> i did another post i think this weekend on the oo.o slide template for folks putting together their presos for fudcon on the design team plog
20:08:38 <mizmo> hey Emichan
20:08:45 <finalzone> hiya Emichan
20:08:57 <mizmo> so please feel free to post anything you think is relevant to the design team to the blog - you should all have permissions to post to it
20:09:00 <Emichan> hi everybody - sorry i'm late :P
20:09:33 <mizmo> you log in at https://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/wp-login.php
20:09:41 <mizmo> #link https://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/wp-login.php wordpress login for design team blog
20:09:48 <mizmo> #info design team blog feed to planet fedora is now fixed
20:09:52 <mizmo> #info please feel free to post anything you think is relevant to the design team to the blog - you should all have permissions to post to it
20:10:10 <finalzone> cool
20:10:21 <mizmo> #topic supplemental wallpapers for F15
20:10:27 <mizmo> so we haven't gotten any more submissions since last week
20:10:36 <mizmo> we have an open task to advertise the submission process to various deviant art groups
20:10:40 <mizmo> does anybody want to pick up the task?
20:11:17 * finalzone is full handed with Anaconda UX redesign =(
20:11:23 <tatica> o/
20:11:28 <tatica> I can take care of that
20:12:04 <mizmo> yay tatica
20:12:18 <mizmo> #action tatica will advertise the f15 supplemental wallpaper process on deviant art
20:12:19 <ianweller> thanks tatica :)
20:12:22 <mizmo> tatica, you want me to email you the list of groups?
20:12:47 <OsamaK> Is this the right place to complain about the fact that http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ does not work on turning off JavaScript?
20:13:07 <mizmo> OsamaK, no #fedora-websites is the place
20:13:07 * ianweller heads back to dorm
20:13:10 <mizmo> we're having a design team meeting here now
20:13:27 <mizmo> thanks for the report though
20:13:37 <tatica> yes Miss
20:13:37 <OsamaK> mizmo, I know, saw your dent and thought maybe someone will work on it. ;)
20:13:47 <OsamaK> mizmo, ah, ok, I'll go to the other channel.
20:13:59 <mizmo> tatica@fpo right?
20:16:00 <tatica> ujum
20:16:26 <mizmo> i just sent it :)
20:16:28 <mizmo> cool
20:16:36 <mizmo> finalzone, i forgot to add anaconda to the agenda but we should probably talk about it
20:16:57 <mizmo> #topic anaconda ux design
20:17:02 <mizmo> over the past couple weeks
20:17:22 <mizmo> we had the anaconda comic which was cross posted to the design team list so you probably saw it
20:17:35 <mizmo> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/app%20design/anaconda/comic/anaconda-comic_1.png
20:17:53 <mizmo> i also wrote a proposal to improve the DVD installation process and maybe use DVD as the default install
20:17:58 <mizmo> i dont know if its the right way to go though
20:18:06 <finalzone> mizmo, I saw the first part
20:18:30 <mizmo> this is the proposal https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2011-January/msg00256.html
20:18:35 <schendje> where can we follow progress on this? the anaconda list?
20:18:44 <mizmo> probably easier to read it on the wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Duffy/Default_Install_Proposal
20:18:53 <mizmo> yeh i put the proposal on the anaconda devel list first
20:18:57 <mizmo> since i'm not sure if its really a good idea
20:19:11 <mizmo> if it hashes out to be something worth pursuing there then maybe move the discussion to fedora-devel
20:19:18 <mizmo> and propose to fesco
20:19:38 <mizmo> fesco is the fedora engineering steering committee; they make policy decisions on things like this sometimes i think
20:20:01 <mizmo> one idea for the proposal is
20:20:05 <mizmo> you go to fedoraproject.org
20:20:08 <mizmo> you click download fedora
20:20:11 <mizmo> and you'll get the live usb creator
20:20:16 <mizmo> which would support linux, mac, windows
20:20:27 <mizmo> and it'll auto-download the ISO for you, so you don't need to download it separate (it does this today)
20:20:31 <mizmo> and it'll make you a usb stick
20:20:52 <mizmo> so to the end user maybe it would only feel like one download
20:21:21 <finalzone> mizmo, I noticed some new layout on that comics, did you have the source of say dual-boot on wiki?
20:21:48 <mizmo> finalzone, ahh i made those screens up for the comic
20:21:53 <mizmo> so the source is in the comic source, hehe
20:21:55 <mizmo> let me see
20:22:11 <mizmo> finalzone, http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/app%20design/anaconda/comic/anaconda-comic_1-final.svg
20:22:22 <mizmo> if you click on the screens the little widgets are all sourced there, they aren't bitmaps
20:22:26 <finalzone> thank you
20:22:38 <mizmo> my pleasure, please please please feel free to play around with it and remix it and see what you come up with
20:23:04 <finalzone> alrighty
20:23:21 <mizmo> so does anybody have questions / ideas / feedback on the anaconda project so far?
20:23:31 <mizmo> i believe the entire anaconda team will be in tempe
20:23:37 <mizmo> and they are going to give a talk about some of this new work
20:23:46 <mizmo> and we're also going to brainstorm some ideas on improving the installer experience
20:23:54 <mizmo> so if you're going to tempe look out for those sessions if you are interested
20:24:09 <mizmo> okay let's move on to the next topic
20:24:13 <mizmo> #topic image annotation app
20:24:16 * gnokii like comics
20:24:19 <mizmo> we haven't had this as a topic for a few meetings
20:24:25 <mizmo> i think we had a running list of improvements for it
20:24:38 <mizmo> im wondering if it'd be worth (maybe some time after tempe, or maybe during tempe) to have a hackfest to work on it?
20:24:49 <mizmo> or maybe, as-is, working with the infrastructure team to get it deployed to fedoras infrastructure?
20:25:05 <schendje> personally i'd want to try that second bit first :)
20:25:14 <schendje> more important imo
20:25:21 <schendje> i haven't opened a ticket yet
20:25:29 <Emichan> schendje, have you finished theming it for the time being?
20:25:43 <schendje> Emichan: yep, i think i'm done
20:26:00 <Emichan> cool - let's try and get it on fedora infra if possible
20:26:14 <mizmo> do we wanna open the ticket now?
20:26:28 <mizmo> if we point them at the git repo in the ticket is that maybe enough for them to get?
20:26:34 <mizmo> maybe point at schendje's instance too so they can get a feel for it?
20:26:40 <schendje> i got some instructions from ianweller - i think - at the last meeting
20:27:37 <schendje> ah, yes, this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RequestForResourcesTemplate
20:27:51 <mizmo> schendje, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Request_For_Resources
20:27:52 <mizmo> yeh
20:27:55 <Emichan> the git repo has all the code - it's just php, no db is required. The only sticking point maybe the php version. It does need a newer version, but we could work around it if needed
20:29:42 <mizmo> what do you think, file the ticket now?
20:29:46 <mizmo> or do it later
20:30:01 <schendje> soon as possible, as far as i'm concerned :)
20:30:06 <mizmo> k ill file it now?
20:30:15 <schendje> sure :)
20:30:23 <Emichan> yea let's do it now, don't put it off ;)
20:30:27 <schendje> i can do it too but it probably carries more weight if you do it :/
20:30:37 <mizmo> kk
20:30:45 <mizmo> #topic talk amongst yourselves while mizmo fills out an infra ticket
20:30:46 <mizmo> lol
20:30:48 <schendje> lol
20:30:59 <mizmo> suggestion: what happens when a panda and a koala compete for cuteness? discuss
20:31:01 <Emichan> is anyone interested in doing a hackfest on it at fudcon?
20:31:14 * mizmo +1
20:31:20 <schendje> Emichan: i'd love to join but am not sure how helpful i can be :)
20:31:50 <Emichan> well, it's php and javascript primarily, so if you've got either one, that will be helpful
20:32:04 <Emichan> plus, you can always be there for moral support ;)
20:32:05 <tatica> mizmo: I will try to take good photos at fudcon
20:32:13 <tatica> mizmo: you (or anyone) think that we can do something cool with them?
20:32:16 <mizmo> tatica++!!!
20:32:22 <tatica> or can we develope some ideas to take photos with a special topic?
20:32:26 <mizmo> hackergotchi clinic
20:32:28 <mizmo> ?
20:32:36 <tatica> i will have a profetional set of photography at the place
20:32:46 <tatica> (lights, camera, lenses, a lot of weird stuff)
20:32:52 * t2hot knows he is late
20:32:54 <mizmo> maybe posed photos for the website. we have user interviews at the new fedoraproject.org.... we could take peoples photo for the interviews and do the interview there
20:32:56 <rbergeron> a LOT of stuff :)
20:32:59 <tatica> so would be nice to do a project with the people
20:33:09 <tatica> rbergeron: and something BIG is comming from venezuela to your home
20:33:16 <tatica> so... prepare your hands and a space in your home
20:33:18 <mizmo> t2hot, you're more than welcome late or not! glad you could make it
20:33:30 <mizmo> so we have to find an infrastructure sponsor
20:33:39 <tatica> we could do even a photo-comic if you like
20:33:48 <tatica> or... whatever, don't know
20:34:28 <mizmo> oooh that sounds awesome lol
20:35:02 <mizmo> maybe a how-to get started with fedora photo comic?
20:35:11 <mizmo> or maybe people's favorite apps
20:35:21 <mizmo> meet tatica! her favorite app is.... gimp! look at the cool stuff she does
20:35:45 <tatica> lol
20:36:29 <tatica> also we can take photos a do a pool for the next one_page_release_notes
20:36:56 <tatica> and make a session of ahckergotchis, like mizmo said
20:37:47 <rbergeron> tatica: yes plz. /me would really appreciate more one_page_release_notes photos, and is happy to help take them with her camera as well.
20:37:59 <tatica> amazing!
20:38:26 <tatica> what I don't have is a video camera, to record the "I'm fedora" video :\
20:38:46 <mizmo> i have a camera
20:38:50 <mizmo> a video camera
20:39:12 <tatica> sweet :D
20:40:25 <tatica> also we should do some tutorials there
20:40:32 <mizmo> oh yes
20:40:37 <mizmo> we need to film some tutorials i think
20:40:45 <tatica> if we need more contributors, we should send them how to help
20:40:56 <tatica> even if there's a wiki-page
20:41:04 <tatica> for some is boring to read it, or don't know the language
20:42:28 <mizmo> okay we have ticket
20:42:32 <Emichan> yay!
20:42:37 <mizmo> #link image annotation app RFR https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2580
20:42:47 <Emichan> should we go ahead and add a hackfest too?
20:42:49 <mizmo> #info we still need to find an infrastructure team member to sponsor us though
20:42:53 <mizmo> yes i think so
20:43:07 <tatica> +1
20:43:08 <mizmo> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Tempe_2011#Hackfests_-_Sunday_.26_Monday  can you add it?
20:43:26 <Emichan> sure, np
20:43:30 <Emichan> :D
20:44:20 <mizmo> kk cool
20:44:20 <mizmo> lets see
20:44:25 <mizmo> we had a tempe topic, we're already talking about it
20:44:28 <mizmo> #topic fudcon tempe
20:44:38 <mizmo> so we'll have two hackfests, the F15 artwork hackfest and the image annotation app hackfest
20:45:18 <mizmo> tatica will have a bunch of photography equipment and a professional camera
20:45:26 <mizmo> i'll have my baby SLR and a little HD video cam
20:45:39 <tatica> mizmo: emm.. your camera is better than mine
20:45:40 <tatica> lol
20:45:46 <mizmo> i doubt it, which one do you have?
20:45:49 <mizmo> i have the xti rebel
20:45:55 <tatica> tou have a sTi, I have a 1000D
20:45:55 <tatica> lol
20:46:00 <mizmo> ah yours is better
20:46:03 <mizmo> sti is better than xti
20:46:03 <tatica> I have one under yours
20:46:08 <tatica> no no
20:46:10 <tatica> hahahaha
20:46:12 <mizmo> are you sure??
20:46:21 <tatica> yes, I am :P
20:46:40 <mizmo> lol maybe i should let you use mine :)
20:46:45 <mizmo> im not very good with it
20:46:51 <tatica> ujum :P
20:47:08 <mizmo> we could maybe set up a booth somewhere
20:47:10 <mizmo> by the registration desk
20:47:15 <mizmo> and have people sign up for photo shoots
20:47:23 <mizmo> or make it a hackergotchi clinic booth
20:47:41 <tatica> yup, I can take care of it
20:47:56 <gnokii> sound like arriving in US
20:48:35 <mizmo> the  only other topic we have is F15 wallpaper
20:48:49 <mizmo> did anybody have a chance to sketch out some ideas or find some inspiration?
20:49:56 * tatica has been working extra this week to finish all her job-tasks... so no :\
20:50:32 * Emichan has also been crazy busy getting ready for going oot
20:51:25 <mizmo> i need to find time to put my slides together lol
20:51:27 <mizmo> this week has been nutes
20:51:31 <mizmo> we'll figure out the wallpaper at the hackfest
20:52:23 <mizmo> nutes! ha i meant nuts
20:52:25 <Emichan> hackfest ++!
20:52:51 <mizmo> #topic open floor
20:53:16 * tatica dances on the Open Floor
20:53:37 <mizmo> the beta wallpaper for f14 was still in the topic lol
20:53:54 <tatica> lol
20:54:21 <mizmo> Emichan, ricky did a quick review of the app and is worried about it needing more user input sanitization for security
20:54:56 <Emichan> did he give any specifics?
20:56:54 <mizmo> (from #fedora-admin)
20:56:55 <mizmo> <ricky> mizmo: So on a quick read of that application, I *think* it has security issues - lack of sanitation of user input.
20:57:02 <mizmo> <mizmo> ricky, is that something you can help with?
20:57:11 <mizmo> <ricky> Don't see any serious possible attacks off hand though, maybe just the ability to overwrite/corrupt files the apache user has write access to.
20:57:11 <mizmo> <ricky> Possibly - I see that it uses files containing json as its data store - could the developer consider using a db instead?
20:57:30 <mizmo> Emichan, if you have the time, wanna jump into #fedora-admin?
20:57:36 <Emichan> sure
20:57:38 <mizmo> <ricky> That would avoid the issue of generating path names from user input.
20:59:19 <Emichan> okay, I'll see what we need to do. it's possibly something that can be worked on at the hackfest :)
21:00:53 <mizmo> sweet
21:02:04 <mizmo> okay i think we're set here
21:02:12 <mizmo> excited to see a bunch of y'all at fudcon :)
21:02:14 <mizmo> #endmeeting