19:01:19 <mizmo> #startmeeting 19:01:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Dec 7 19:01:19 2010 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:19 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:25 <mizmo> who all's around? 19:01:31 <mizmo> i know nicu couldn't make it today 19:01:57 <tatica> o/ 19:02:01 <mizmo> yay tatica! 19:02:03 * tatica is finally arround :$ 19:02:23 <mizmo> wb tatica we've missed you!! 19:02:29 <tatica> me too :( a lot 19:02:29 * jsmith lurks 19:02:35 <finalzone> I am here 19:02:35 <fabsh> hi all 19:02:39 <mizmo> hey fabsh 19:02:40 <Emichan> I'm here! :) 19:02:40 <fabsh> hope I'm not too late 19:02:42 <mizmo> hey Emichan 19:02:46 <finalzone> hiya 19:02:47 <mizmo> nope we *just* started 19:02:50 <fabsh> hi mizmo 19:02:55 <fabsh> cools 19:02:59 <mizmo> okay so first topic 19:03:01 <mizmo> #topic Taking inventory 19:03:20 <mizmo> i thought it might be worth taking some time for us to talk about any projects we might be working on that haven't really been discussed at length in meetings before 19:03:31 <mizmo> just so we know what each other are working on and can get feedback if desired 19:04:07 <fabsh> i've been pretty busy with non computer stuff lately 19:04:17 <Schendje> well, i for one still want to do the flickr notes website thing 19:04:21 <Schendje> just don't know how to start 19:04:23 <mizmo> I've been working on a redesign of anaconda, which i've mentioned before. last week i worked on the storage reinitialization dialog, and this week i've started working on a redesign of the user creation https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Whiteboards 19:04:36 <fabsh> but i did design a logo for http://www.northeastlinuxfest.org 19:04:55 <finalzone> I joined mizmo for Anaconda UX redesign as well 19:05:04 <mizmo> Schendje, hmm so there's a mediawiki plug in for it, but it requires an upgrade. have you talked to the infra peeps in #fedora-admin about when/if they plan to upgrade? 19:05:05 <Schendje> fabsh: i liked that one :) 19:05:14 <fabsh> oh cool. thanks 19:05:19 <Schendje> mizmo: nope, i do plan to do that though because it seems like the easiest option :) 19:05:25 <fabsh> just a quick job really, but they liked it too 19:05:30 <mizmo> fabsh, ooh very nice! very appropriate for the location 19:05:31 <Schendje> combined with uploading pics to the wiki it could be amazing :D 19:05:39 <mizmo> Schendje, absolutely 19:05:44 <mizmo> they are pretty easygoing in #fedora-admin 19:05:44 <fabsh> mizmo: I hoped i got that right 19:06:01 <fabsh> i was temped to put cthulhu in it, being new england and all 19:06:11 <mizmo> fabsh, yeh i think all of the NE states have oceanfront 19:06:21 <mizmo> and lighthouses are very common along the oceanfronts 19:06:25 <Schendje> i'm always tempted to put cthulhu in a design, no matter what it's for 19:06:36 <fabsh> they wanted a gnu in it too but that wouldve been out of place on a rock in the ocean :D 19:06:39 <mizmo> fabsh, i didnt know cthulhu was related to new england?? 19:06:43 <fabsh> Schendje: +1 19:06:56 <finalzone> mizmo: about sudo by default. there is polkit policy to consider too 19:07:05 <fabsh> mizmo: all of lovecrafts stuff plays in new england. providence and stuff 19:07:10 <mizmo> Schendje, yeh it seems the best plan of attack is to see how possible updating mediawiki is since that's easiest. then formulate plan b if it didn't work 19:07:14 <mizmo> fabsh, ah okay 19:07:40 <mizmo> finalzone, yeh, apparently policy kit is going to be updated to allow for sudo passwords instead of root passwords only 19:07:49 <mizmo> finalzone, it's definitely a requirement for sudo by default 19:08:09 <mizmo> well, cool! 19:08:11 <mizmo> any other projects? 19:08:19 <Emichan> I've been working with southeast linux fest, to redesign their site, but nothing has come of it thus far :P 19:08:25 <mizmo> #info mizmo & luya working on Anaconda UX https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Whiteboards 19:08:39 <fabsh> not for me, I've been busy acting (or trying to) 19:08:42 <mizmo> #info fabsh working with Northeast Linux Fest folks on logo http://www.northeastlinuxfest.org 19:09:02 <mizmo> #info Schendje working on flickr notes for Fedora - will check in with infra to see if mediawiki can be upgraded for plugin 19:09:12 <mizmo> #info Emichan working with southeast linux fest on website design 19:09:14 <mizmo> sweet 19:09:24 <fabsh> haha.... that is so cool 19:09:24 <mizmo> we're definitely kicking serious booty :) 19:09:33 <fabsh> we are all working on the linux fests :D 19:09:36 <mizmo> in the north, and south lol 19:09:38 <fabsh> Emichan: high 5 :) 19:09:41 <mizmo> we need some west coast next 19:10:05 <mizmo> #info Cthulhu is from New England <= fun fact 19:10:13 <mizmo> okay so our next topic 19:10:14 <Emichan> fabsh back at you! :) 19:10:18 <mizmo> #topic Fedora 15 Supplemental Wallpapers 19:10:30 <mizmo> so it seems we've gotten a handful of submissions 19:10:34 <mizmo> so it was totally worth opening up so early 19:10:39 <mizmo> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Submissions 19:10:46 <fabsh> ok i pimped that for lo 180. i should blog it as well 19:10:59 <mizmo> one thing you might have noticed is that i added some guidelines for the wallpapers 19:11:11 <mizmo> because folks were asking me what kind of photos would be best to submit 19:11:23 <fabsh> good call! 19:11:28 <mizmo> the guidelines are from a draft Jon McCann wrote a while back with us 19:11:33 <mizmo> fabsh, that would be awesome 19:11:45 <mizmo> fabsh, do you want to be the official supplemental wallpaper pimper again or is it too much to take on right now? 19:11:52 <fabsh> i can do that 19:11:54 * mizmo notes we still dont have a supplemental wallpaper wrangler yet 19:11:55 <mizmo> sweet!! 19:12:05 <mizmo> rock 19:12:12 <fabsh> shakespeare stuff will be over after the 15th at which point i have more time again 19:12:20 * tatica will send something :D 19:12:24 <mizmo> #info fabsh will manage the supplemental wallpapers for F15 19:12:27 <mizmo> tatica, that would be great:)!!! 19:12:33 <tatica> do we have a date for those submisions? 19:12:40 <mizmo> tatica, i think it's in march... way out 19:12:42 * mizmo double-checks 19:12:53 <fabsh> march 19:12:55 <mizmo> #info supplemental wallpapers due Monday, 7 March 2011 19:13:04 <tatica> I will be doing a photographic trip in december and I can try to take some landscapes photos and something like that 19:13:08 <tatica> awesome 19:13:21 <mizmo> at some point i'd like to do a big review of the latest CC stuff on Flickr and pick some nice ones out 19:13:26 <mizmo> if anyone wants to help out let me know 19:13:31 <tatica> o/ 19:13:32 <mizmo> tatica, landscapes are wonderful, ++ 19:13:37 * tatica flickr addict :D 19:13:42 <mizmo> hehe awesome 19:13:50 <mizmo> what i do is set up galleries 19:13:55 <mizmo> and i add favorites to the galleries 19:14:02 <mizmo> then sort through and try to pick the top 15-20 19:14:23 <mizmo> here's an example http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/galleries/72157624306319826/ 19:14:57 <tatica> we can do also something like this http://www.flickr.com/groups/freewallpapersvenezuela/ 19:15:09 <tatica> a group where people that want to contribute can submit artwork following the rules 19:15:29 <mizmo> tatica, well we've been using the wiki for submissions and i'll tell youwhy 19:15:37 <mizmo> we do have some folks who don't like using flickr 19:15:44 <mizmo> e.g. poor nicu whose account got closed with no warning :( 19:15:56 <finalzone> ... 19:15:59 <tatica> lol 19:16:11 <mizmo> but, we could still set up a group and maybe the day before the due date, grab the best ones and upload them to the wiki 19:16:12 <fabsh> i dont have an account anymore either 19:16:23 <tatica> yup 19:16:32 <mizmo> that way the flickr addicts can submit easily 19:16:38 <mizmo> but folks who don't use flickr can still participate 19:16:56 <tatica> exactly 19:17:08 <mizmo> tatica, would you have time to set up the flickr group? 19:17:13 <tatica> sure 19:17:22 <mizmo> yay! 19:17:34 <mizmo> #action tatica to set up flickr group for F15 supplemental wallpaper submissions 19:17:43 <mizmo> okay next topic is the default wallpaper 19:17:50 <mizmo> #topic Fedora 15 Default Wallpaper 19:17:58 <mizmo> do we have any ideas/proposals yet? 19:18:04 <mizmo> i haven't gotten a chance to talk to the gnome shell folks yet:( 19:18:20 <fabsh> you mean the unity folks ;) 19:18:22 <tatica> do we have any ideas? 19:18:31 * Schendje still has to send the email around 19:18:38 * Schendje is fail 19:18:41 <mizmo> ah yeh we need to do a sketch session maybe 19:18:51 <Schendje> i'll do it right now actually 19:18:54 <fabsh> i second that strongly 19:18:56 <mizmo> tatica, i had a weird idea with two pieces of land reaching out to each other in the water 19:18:59 <Emichan> sketch session ++! 19:19:03 <mizmo> fabsh, :-ppp ostatic :-ppp 19:19:08 <tatica> awesome 19:19:13 <fabsh> mizmo: yep 19:19:47 <fabsh> i was thinking two planets in a double orbit 19:19:54 * tatica would like to do something gaia/Asimov related 19:19:58 <fabsh> maybe i am watching too much tng..... 19:20:09 <tatica> will try something... sry to ask, which will be the deadline for the mockups? 19:20:13 <Schendje> fabsh: fedora and rhel? 19:20:20 <mizmo> tatica, let me check the schedule 19:20:29 <tatica> sry to ask too much about the dates :S 19:20:38 <mizmo> # (In Progress) Concepts submission deadline — Tue 18 January 2011, 18:00 UTC 19:20:41 <Emichan> mizmo also mentioned steampunk last week :) 19:20:41 <fabsh> Schendje: i was just thinkging generally..... sometimes they say planets are embraced in a loving orbit or something like that 19:20:43 <mizmo> no it's a good question tatica i didnt know either 19:20:48 <mizmo> yes thats right steampunk!!! 19:20:52 <fabsh> +1000k for steampunk! 19:20:54 <mizmo> #info Wallpaper Concepts submission deadline — Tue 18 January 2011, 18:00 UTC 19:21:01 <Schendje> fabsh: ya, i like the idea! 19:21:02 <tatica> awesome, if everything is for january I can work at vacations on that 19:21:10 <fabsh> steampunk planets! :D 19:21:32 <Emichan> fabsh: a clockwork planetary model? 19:21:41 <fabsh> wow..... 19:21:45 <mizmo> well it's lovelock... maybe have lock mechanisms in the works somewhere 19:21:45 <fabsh> that sounds cool :D 19:21:53 <mizmo> planetary lock 19:22:00 <mizmo> hehe 19:22:01 <Emichan> tidal lock! 19:22:05 <mizmo> locked into orbit 19:22:15 <fabsh> lock ness!!!! 19:22:21 <Schendje> lol 19:22:21 <mizmo> nessy!! 19:22:39 <Schendje> cthluhu! 19:22:42 <fabsh> :P 19:22:51 <fabsh> Fedora ftaghn! 19:23:13 <Emichan> cthulhu and cartman :) 19:23:13 <fabsh> that would be a great codename come to think of it :D 19:23:49 <mizmo> well cool 19:24:05 <Emichan> shuggoth love :) 19:24:06 <mizmo> #action schendje to set up sketch session for F15 19:24:15 <mizmo> #info landscape idea 19:24:19 <mizmo> #info steampunk idea 19:24:24 <mizmo> #info asimov/gaia idea 19:24:41 <fabsh> Emichan: LOL. :D 19:25:01 <mizmo> next topic is GNOME shell theming, did you have anything you wanted to talk about there Emichan? 19:26:16 <Emichan> um 19:26:27 <Emichan> I haven't actually had any time this past week to work on it so... 19:26:34 <mizmo> okie doke 19:26:44 <mizmo> we'll skip it for now if thats okay! 19:26:56 <mizmo> after that we have another Emichan item :) the FUDcon Tempe shirt 19:26:58 <Emichan> we can always talk about it on the list if need be :) 19:27:10 <Emichan> yes - I'm still working on my other idea 19:27:24 <mizmo> #topic FUDcon Tempe shirt design 19:27:37 <Schendje> Emichan: do you have anything to show already for us? :) 19:27:42 <Emichan> but I haven't gotten it done yet :( 19:27:44 <mizmo> between the dark blue and light blue it seems maybe the dark blue was the favorite from the list 19:27:48 <Schendje> release early, release often :) 19:28:05 <mizmo> #link http://emichan.fedorapeople.org/FudconTempe/hohokam_light_blue_on_black.png 19:28:08 <Emichan> Schendje - true true - I'll try and get something presentable enough to share 19:28:14 <mizmo> #link http://emichan.fedorapeople.org/FudconTempe/hohokam_dark_blue_on_black.png 19:28:16 <mizmo> sounds good :) 19:28:27 <mizmo> okay next topic is... 19:28:36 <fabsh> that looks great! 19:28:40 <mizmo> #topic Fedora RPG 19:28:43 <mizmo> heh 19:28:43 <Schendje> Emichan: not saying you should hurry, but that it's easier if you share before it's completely finished 19:28:47 <mizmo> i haven't had any time to work on it 19:28:55 <Emichan> so far design #2 isn't looking as good on the screen as it did in my head, so I'm trying to get it closer to the head-version :) 19:29:10 <Emichan> fabsh - thanks! 19:29:23 <Schendje> Emichan: sounds good, looking forward to it 19:29:34 <mizmo> after Fedora RPG we've got open floor 19:30:03 <tatica> group done: http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora-wallpapers/ 19:30:23 <mizmo> yay! 19:30:31 <mizmo> #info F15 Flickr Submission pool http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora-wallpapers/ 19:30:34 <Schendje> wooo 19:30:56 <Emichan> I haven't had time to make any more pandas :( 19:31:23 <mizmo> i have to get the anaconda stuff more sorted out before the holidays, so i'm probably not going to have time until the holidays 19:32:08 <Emichan> how is the RPG looking on the development side? any news? 19:32:55 <mizmo> none yet 19:33:14 <mizmo> luke macken, who i think is going to be helping us with development, is working on the public release of moksha dec 15 19:33:35 <mizmo> im helping him out with a website (see http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/moksha/website/moksha-960_16_col-3.png) 19:33:44 <mizmo> i think once he's finished with that he might be able to help 19:33:51 <Schendje> comfortaa huh? 19:34:09 <mizmo> its mg open modata 19:34:25 <mizmo> the logo font - im not sure, mlanglie did it a while back 19:34:29 <Schendje> ah, the older one yeah 19:34:42 <fabsh> that moksha thing looks nice 19:34:47 <fabsh> what exactly does it do? 19:34:54 <mizmo> fabsh, it's a real time web framework 19:35:03 <mizmo> it's a layer on top of turbogears 19:35:12 <mizmo> that lets your web apps connect to a messaging server and pass real-time data through 19:35:21 <fabsh> ah. RHT i see.... :D 19:35:22 <mizmo> its very - HTML 5 & interactive 19:35:30 <sijis> moksha looks nice. 19:35:32 <mizmo> i'm thinking the Fedora RPG app would be built using moksha 19:35:41 <fabsh> cool 19:36:23 <mizmo> that is why im hoping luke can help us once he gets the big moksha release out of the way 19:36:50 <fabsh> cool. i see you have a plan.... :D 19:36:54 <mizmo> yep :) 19:37:01 * fabsh loves it when a plan comes together 19:37:39 <mizmo> #topic open floor 19:37:54 <Schendje> so, thorwil just posted something interesting: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/backtestground/ 19:38:03 <Schendje> some wallpaper utilities that might come in handy 19:38:12 * thorwil waves 19:38:31 <Emichan> I have a couple of things I probably should have mentioned during the first topic, but I was distracted :P 19:38:43 <mizmo> thorwil, dude that kicks ass! 19:38:48 <mizmo> Emichan, goforit! 19:38:58 <Schendje> let's see, there's templates, a content extractor (which sounds cool), a script for different sizes 19:39:19 <fabsh> nice 19:39:23 <Emichan> first, I was on a podcast a couple of weeks ago that's put out by the president of southeast linux fest 19:39:31 <thorwil> mizmo: heh, thanks. needs testing whether i explained it all well enough 19:39:39 <Emichan> there was lots of fedora design pimping :) 19:39:54 <fabsh> Emichan: you were on dave sexy yate's show? :) 19:39:55 <mizmo> Emichan, kickin!!! do you have a URL to the audio or is it still in post-production? 19:40:11 <fabsh> Emichan rocks :D 19:40:31 <mizmo> thorwil, ill give them a try when i put together mockups and let you know if the instructions need tweaking!!! 19:40:47 <thorwil> mizmo: cool, ty 19:40:51 <Emichan> here's the link: http://media.libsyn.com/media/dsyates/lottalinuxlinks_131.ogg (i had to go look it up) 19:41:14 <fabsh> Emichan: seriously that rocks. i am way too behind on LLL 19:41:20 <Emichan> fabsh: lol - I had no idea he was sexy :) 19:41:39 <fabsh> Emichan: thats the nickname the TLLTS guys gave him. it kinda stuck ;) 19:41:48 <mizmo> #info Emichan interview on podcast with SELF president!! http://media.libsyn.com/media/dsyates/lottalinuxlinks_131.ogg 19:42:09 <Schendje> #info http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/backtestground/ <- handy wallpaper utilities, feedback is welcome! 19:42:16 <Schendje> (just for the record) 19:42:20 <mizmo> i added it to the F15 artwork page too 19:42:29 <mizmo> (thorwil's blog post) 19:43:11 <mizmo> hehe dave has a cool intro song 19:43:16 <Emichan> also I was a bit intrigued after talking about the image annotation idea last week 19:43:22 <fabsh> mizmo: dual cored did it for him 19:43:26 <Emichan> so I went ahead and put somehting together 19:43:26 <fabsh> *dual core 19:43:36 <Emichan> it's working (so far) ;) 19:43:46 <Emichan> you can see a demo site here: http://www.fightingcrane.com/ImageNotes/index.php 19:43:47 <fabsh> mizmo: he also podcasts from a honda civic while driving :) 19:43:48 <mizmo> Emichan, ooooh 19:43:56 <mizmo> fabsh, that's nuts! 19:44:00 <Schendje> Emichan: !!! 19:44:14 <Emichan> the code is here: http://gitorious.org/remote-image-annotation 19:44:21 * Schendje hugs Emichan 19:44:24 <fabsh> mizmo: we did a spoof of that on LO 100 and podcasted from a Renault Laguna at 200 km/h 19:44:30 * Emichan loves hugs 19:44:30 <Schendje> that is so cool! 19:45:07 <Emichan> here's one of my shirt designs on the demo site: http://www.fightingcrane.com/ImageNotes/index.php?i=test 19:45:32 <Schendje> and here's a panda http://www.fightingcrane.com/ImageNotes/index.php?i=Panda 19:45:41 <Emichan> if everything is working correctly, you should see one annotation on it around one of the kokopellis :) 19:45:42 <mizmo> woo http://www.fightingcrane.com/ImageNotes/index.php?i=Verde# 19:45:57 <fabsh> mizmo: just to prove how nuts I am: http://fabsh.smugmug.com/gallery/8713210_AnCZr/1/575986368_uAeKv/Medium ;) 19:46:03 <Schendje> Emichan: so which of the scripts is this? the jquery one? 19:46:27 <Emichan> schendje: yeah it's the jquery plugin cuz i <3 jquery :) 19:46:44 <Schendje> Emichan: who doesn't :) 19:47:19 <fabsh> Emichan: that rocks! Oo 19:47:24 <mizmo> so im wondering if infra would let us deploy this... 19:47:30 <Schendje> mizmo: yeah 19:47:57 <Emichan> mizmo - right now it's using a file-based storage backend, so no db is needed 19:48:06 <fabsh> mizmo: i hope so! it looks great... 19:48:10 <Schendje> Emichan: does it use the jpeg headers to store the info? 19:48:24 <Emichan> shendje: no, it doesn't store or alter the image 19:48:37 <Emichan> it saves the annotations in a file 19:48:44 <Schendje> ah ok 19:48:56 <Emichan> *Schendje (sorry typing too fast ;)) 19:48:59 <fabsh> that's cool. like dokuwiki 19:49:00 <Schendje> no worries 19:49:02 <mizmo> nice! 19:49:37 <Emichan> I was thinking we might be able to put it in our fedorahosted space? 19:49:59 <mizmo> hmm 19:50:13 <Emichan> it's just storing text, so it shouldn't require much in the way of storage space 19:50:14 <mizmo> im not sure if we have php available there - but maybe? 19:50:21 <mizmo> it's worth a shot 19:50:22 <Emichan> what does trac use? 19:50:33 <mizmo> trac is python-based i think 19:50:34 <Schendje> i think i tried php but it didn't work 19:50:40 <Schendje> but that may also be because i suck at php ;) 19:50:43 <mizmo> we do have php on some of our hosts but i dont think the fedorapeople box has it 19:50:48 <mizmo> i could be wrong though 19:51:10 <fabsh> mizmo: i have one question 19:51:14 <mizmo> sure 19:51:24 <fabsh> what's going on with that new blog? :) 19:51:55 <mizmo> so i think mainly we can use it for announcing design team bounties 19:52:10 <mizmo> and wallpaper / release design process announcements 19:52:12 <Emichan> well, we can use the demo site too if everyone's okay with it. My hosting space has unlimited b/w, so no worries on my end :) 19:52:15 <mizmo> so it's all centrally-stored i think 19:52:40 <mizmo> sweet Emichan :) i think it's going to be a *very* handy tool when we start doing the F15 sketch fest 19:53:06 <fabsh> mizmo: ok, cool. makes sense. :) 19:54:23 <Emichan> mizmo - any word from infra on the blog? 19:55:38 <mizmo> Emichan, i think we're set, it's http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/designteam 19:55:43 <mizmo> Emichan, i sent a note to the design team mailing list on it - 19:55:58 <mizmo> i think there were some folks who couldn't get added because their accounts weren't on the WP server yet 19:56:22 <mizmo> so anyone who logs into http://blogs.fedoraproject.org and doesn't see the design team blog in their overview, shoot me a message - irc, email, whatever's easiest - and i can add you in 19:58:16 <mizmo> Emichan, this is a great interview, i've been listening to it :) 19:59:06 <fabsh> dave is cool :) 20:00:34 * Schendje is also listening 20:00:34 <mizmo> aiight i gotta run to another meeting 20:00:45 <mizmo> but i'm gonna end the meeting here, y'all should listen to emily's interview it's great :) 20:00:46 <mizmo> #endmeeting