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19:01:32 <mizmo> #topic roll call!
19:01:39 * mizmo Máirín Duffy here
19:01:42 * msourada is present
19:01:54 * kylebaker present
19:02:03 * msourada is Martin Sourada for those who dunno ;-)
19:02:03 <tatica> Maria leandro o/
19:02:34 * nicubunu present
19:02:39 * Emichan here!
19:02:44 * sijis is partially around
19:02:56 <mizmo> woohoo good turnout
19:02:57 <mizmo> okay
19:03:02 <mizmo> #topic F14 artwork for alpha
19:03:04 * ianweller is here
19:03:23 <mizmo> so fab posted a iteration to the list this week https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Theme_Concepts#Iterations
19:03:49 <mizmo> schendje did too lol http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/iteration1.png
19:03:57 <mizmo> kylebaker, did you have an iteration prepared?
19:04:01 * mchua listening
19:04:11 <kylebaker> it is in there
19:04:13 <mizmo> today is our deadline to figure out what we're packaging for alpha
19:04:17 <mizmo> kylebaker, can you give a link?
19:04:24 <kylebaker> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-2400x1536.png
19:04:41 <ianweller> mizmo: i like schendje's ;)
19:04:43 <ianweller> i kid, i kid
19:04:53 <kylebaker> Not much of a change but I lightened it
19:05:05 <mizmo> okay cool
19:05:13 <Emichan> I like the lighter wp
19:05:28 <Emichan> shows more detail
19:05:33 <tatica> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-2400x1536.png
19:05:49 <mizmo> i worry a bit about the contrast/vibrations in the top center though
19:05:56 <msourada> I slightly geared toward's kyle's as well. Though post-alpha we would probably want to make it less busy
19:05:57 <mizmo> but if we alpha it we'd get feedback to let us know if its oka or not
19:06:20 <mizmo> it seems a bit contrasty
19:06:39 <msourada> yup, but less gloomy than fab's
19:06:40 <mizmo> i think its the strongest one we have though
19:06:56 <mizmo> yeh kylebaker's still maintains the from many one concept,
19:06:58 <kylebaker> The lighter we go the busier it gets
19:07:16 <mizmo> fab's mockup i think starts making it more like a explosion and less like a form i think
19:07:23 <mizmo> which is okay if we aren't as tied to the concept but we are :)
19:07:47 <kylebaker> jimmac will do something for beta
19:08:04 <mizmo> well anybody is welcome to do something for beta
19:08:05 <msourada> oh, that sounds cool!
19:08:31 <kylebaker> ssure
19:08:35 <mizmo> it seems like we should go with kylebaker's for alpha, does anybody have concerns with that?
19:08:37 <kylebaker> :)
19:08:49 <msourada> +1 for kyle's
19:08:52 <Emichan> kb +1
19:08:59 <nicubunu> +1
19:09:04 <mizmo> msourada, are you going to be able to package it for us?
19:09:09 <Emichan> I'm using it now as bg, not bad at all
19:09:09 <msourada> yup
19:09:15 <mizmo> sweet
19:09:29 <mizmo> #action msourada to package kylebaker's latest iteration for alpha https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F14-2400x1536.png
19:09:33 <msourada> I'll probably make a first package today or tomorrow
19:09:38 <kylebaker> I will make the sizes
19:10:08 <kylebaker> msourada, I will need an hour
19:10:19 <finalzone> +1 I am back
19:10:20 <msourada> kylebaker -- that would be awesome. For alpha 16:10, 4:3 and 5:4 is all we need, no need for hi res ;-)
19:10:28 <mizmo> so our next task on the artwork schedule for f14 is getting feedback on the alpha wallpaper
19:10:50 <mizmo> the deadline for that is 3 Aug which is next tuesday
19:11:01 <mizmo> is anybody here willing to handle blogging the alpha wallpaper to get feedback?
19:11:12 <ianweller> wait, when does alpha come out?
19:11:34 <mizmo> #action kylebaker to provide the following sizes of the alpha wallpaper: 16:10, 4:3 and 5:4
19:11:43 <mizmo> ianweller, aug 17
19:11:43 <kylebaker> on it
19:11:49 <ianweller> oh are we trying to get feedback before the alpha freeze, is that the point?
19:11:55 <ianweller> and then get more feedback after alpha is released
19:12:05 <msourada> mizmo, I'll probably blog when I'll have the package ready... but more in depth blog post from someone other would be good too...
19:12:20 <mizmo> #action msourada to blog alpha wallpaper package when ready
19:12:46 <mizmo> ianweller, im not sure when the alpha freeze is, but we need feedback sooner than later because we're going to try to get splashes into beta
19:12:54 <ianweller> mizmo: alpha freeze is aug 3.
19:12:54 <mizmo> we've never gotten them in that far ahead before
19:13:00 <ianweller> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/14/Schedule
19:13:12 <nicubunu> why don't kylebaker blog about it too? is his work and people get to know him better and understand about the process
19:13:23 <mizmo> i dont think we can expect to make many changes to the alpha wallpaper based on feedback between now and aug 3 but maybe i'm wrong?
19:13:42 <mizmo> kylebaker, can you blog the alpha wallpaper for feedback?
19:13:45 <ianweller> mizmo: basically what i'm saying is we get feedback now in addition to post-alpha-release feedback, and get that ready for beta
19:14:08 <mizmo> ianweller, makes sense, i just dont think the alpha freeze is a date we have to worry bout is all (does that make sense?)
19:14:14 <kylebaker> sure
19:14:23 <mizmo> cool thanks kylebaker
19:14:24 <ianweller> mizmo: yeah
19:14:25 <ianweller> agreed
19:14:30 <mizmo> #action kylebaker to blog alpha wallpaper for feedback
19:14:39 <msourada> mizmo, IMHO we just want to have the package ideally in before alpha freeze.
19:14:41 <mizmo> so between now and beta freeze
19:14:43 <mizmo> we have
19:14:58 <mizmo> - alpha website banner due 8-13
19:15:12 <mizmo> - f14 splash screens (anaconda, firstboot, etc) due aug 30
19:15:27 <mizmo> - beta wallpaper due sep 3
19:15:51 <mizmo> - supplemental wallpaper selection due aug 19
19:16:14 <mizmo> finalzone, did you get any good feedback on the wallpaper so far from fedora forum?
19:16:39 <finalzone> mizmo, none so far =(
19:17:02 <mizmo> ah okay
19:17:09 <mizmo> i think its good to ask for it even if we don't hear back
19:17:10 <mizmo> okay
19:17:19 <mizmo> anybody else have something to say on the f14 artwork or should we move on?
19:17:36 <mizmo> okay move on it is :)
19:17:40 <mizmo> #topic branding fonts
19:17:48 <mizmo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/Fedora_Branding_Fonts
19:17:58 <mizmo> so i did a blog post on comfortaa
19:18:08 <mizmo> #link http://mairin.wordpress.com/?p=2165
19:18:16 <mizmo> finalzone has agreed to package it in fedora :)
19:18:22 <mizmo> #action finalzone to package comfortaa
19:18:33 <ianweller> \o/
19:18:37 <mizmo> we still need to make a decision on droid sans vs cantarell
19:19:01 <Emichan> I played with both in the slide template
19:19:10 <Emichan> eventually decided on droid sans
19:19:19 <kylebaker> =1
19:19:22 <kylebaker> +1
19:19:22 <mizmo> Emichan, was there anything in particular that drove you to use droid instead?
19:19:25 <Emichan> it was more readable to me
19:19:35 <Emichan> also more compact
19:19:46 <Emichan> tho that may be more personal pref than anything
19:20:10 <msourada> I don't like compact, especially on wide screens... but I'm probably the only one :D
19:20:19 <mizmo> one thing i do like about cantarell is that upstream is so responsive
19:20:24 <mizmo> im not so sure thats the case for droid sans
19:20:28 <ianweller> i would be good with either. i guess it could be noted that cantarell is created more of the open source way
19:20:37 <Emichan> I also liked comfortaa+droid better than comfortaa+cantarell
19:20:39 <nicubunu> my preference is for cantarell, making us a bit unlike other distros using it
19:20:40 <ianweller> droid sans is just... there... google bought it from a company and released it open source
19:21:12 <mizmo> the font source is available for cantarell but i dont know if it is for droid
19:21:24 <mizmo> we dont have to decide this now but maybe we should set a date for deciding
19:21:40 <Emichan> I don't have a *strong* preference
19:21:44 <mizmo> the other thing re: fonts is ianweller wanted to discuss a bit the possibility of changing some of our logos (like the fudcon logo) to use comfortaa
19:21:44 <nicubunu> people in the .ro community strugged a lot until we got a few glyphs added to droid
19:21:47 <msourada> my preference is also for cantarell
19:22:01 <finalzone> in that case, perhaps cantarell is a good choice
19:22:12 <finalzone> for the good interaction with upstrea,
19:22:28 <Emichan> if droid doesn't internationalize well, let's go with cantarell
19:22:31 <msourada> mizmo, perhaps someone should create a example document with droid sans and cantarell so that we can see them in real environment?
19:22:42 <mizmo> it sounds like a good idea msourada
19:22:43 <Emichan> msourada: ++
19:22:51 <mizmo> does anyone want to volunteer to set up two type samples to compare?
19:22:58 <Emichan> I'll do it
19:23:02 <mizmo> you could maybe grab a page of the f13 release notes to do it with
19:23:39 <Emichan> sure - any particular character sets I should test?
19:24:44 <msourada> hrm, perhaps some latin script (possibly english would be enough), russian and greek?
19:24:47 <mizmo> Emichan, i guess just English for now since that's what the doc sources are in
19:25:19 <mizmo> alternatively you could take a page from the Fedora quickstart guide http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/index.html
19:25:28 <mizmo> do one in english, russian, and greek each as msourada suggested
19:25:32 <mizmo> sound reasonable?
19:26:18 <mizmo> #action Emichan to set up droid sans vs cantarell type samples for us to compare
19:26:27 <finalzone> that should be fine
19:26:29 <mizmo> ianweller, did you wanna take the floor re: logo fonts?
19:26:31 <Emichan> sounds good
19:26:33 <ianweller> yeh
19:27:05 <ianweller> with us phasing out MgOpen Modata as our main brand font and bringing in comfortaa as the headline font, we should probably think about changing some of the logo works we have
19:27:13 <msourada> I would like to have also some nice font for CJK (china, japan, korea has a HUGE lot of people) but does not seem like we have much choice there atm...
19:27:57 <ianweller> the full suite of fedora marks consist of two trademarks, the fedora logo and the fedora remix logo, and two non-trademarks, the fudcon logo and the four foundations artwork
19:27:58 <nicubunu> ianweller +1
19:28:15 <ianweller> i have a mockup (somewhere) of the fudcon logo with comfortaa... trying to find that hold on.
19:28:19 <msourada> ianweller +1
19:28:27 <ianweller> #link http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fudcon-comfortaa.png
19:28:40 <ianweller> that is a mockup of the fudcon logo using comfortaa. it's noticably different (and that's just a draft)
19:28:58 <msourada> IMHO looks good
19:29:03 <ianweller> mizmo and i were discussing it... yesterday thereabouts
19:29:08 <mizmo> i like it better than the current one :)
19:29:11 <ianweller> i don't have a mockup for the foundations artwork yet
19:29:21 <finalzone> +1, it reallly fit the logotype
19:29:35 <ianweller> the only issue i have is, especially for the foundations artwork -- ambassadors have a lot of marketing stuff that uses the old font.
19:29:46 <ianweller> i don't know if that bothers any of you guys... it doesn't matter to me, but i thought i'd bring it up.
19:29:48 <Emichan> I really like comfortaa in this logo - not too sure about the all caps tho
19:30:06 <mizmo> another challenge is that if we can only change the non-trademarked marks, will they clash with the trademarked ones?
19:30:07 <ianweller> Emichan: noted -- i'll do one with lowercase after the meeting and see what thta looks like
19:30:07 <finalzone> is it possible to try without cap
19:30:20 <mizmo> it's cuz that 'I' lol
19:30:24 <ianweller> mizmo: i was just about to get there (:
19:30:36 <Emichan> yep, the I ruins it! ;)
19:30:46 <ianweller> i have a meeting with red hat's senior IP attorney, pam chestek, on thursday
19:31:10 <ianweller> we'll be discussing the (currently small) changes to the fedora brand guidelines -- which, basically, is changing the font of the TM and changing the clearspace guidelines
19:31:34 <ianweller> we can change non-trademarks all we want, but we have to push any changes to the red hat-owned trademarks through pam
19:31:38 * mizmo waves to pchestek
19:31:51 <pchestek> waves back
19:31:56 <ianweller> hah i didn't know she was in here. epic win
19:32:10 <pchestek> lurk is my middle name
19:32:16 <ianweller> :D
19:32:28 <mizmo> clashing might not be a concern though, as it is the currently-trademarked fedora logo uses a third font, bryant2
19:32:33 <mizmo> and it goes fine with modata
19:32:49 <mizmo> actually i think comfortaa goes a lot better with bryant2 than modata
19:32:55 <ianweller> mizmo: it does
19:32:59 <finalzone> +1 I agree
19:33:10 <mizmo> the 'o' 'r' and 'a' are very, very, very similar
19:33:31 <ianweller> one thing mizmo wanted to know (and i was going to ask pchestek on thursday, but i guess i could ask her now) was if it would be possible to change the fedora wordmark to comfortaa from bryant2.
19:34:01 <ianweller> pchestek: i don't know how big of a deal that is, i'm just looking for a "would be possible / no
19:34:04 <ianweller> "
19:34:11 <pchestek> I need to understand more about why the change is desired
19:34:17 <ianweller> mizmo: ^^
19:34:21 <mizmo> pchestek, primarily because bryant2 is a closed-source font
19:34:26 <pchestek> we can talk about it privately though, I don't want to take everyone's time
19:34:46 <ianweller> pchestek: if you have time to talk about it after this meeting is done, we can at that point
19:34:48 <mizmo> pchestek, gnome did something similar in ~2006ish with their logo - they used to use Microsoft Tahoma
19:34:56 <mizmo> er Microsoft Trebuchet actually
19:35:01 <pchestek> I don't, but I can talk about it Thursday
19:35:06 <ianweller> <nod>
19:35:29 <pchestek> There are strong reasons not to change the font, so I need to understand the whole picture
19:35:58 <pchestek> Also, BTW, there are no "non-trademarks," there are only registered and unregistered trademarks.
19:35:59 <ianweller> so it looks like we're agreed to change the fudcon and foundations artwork to comfortaa, and i'll be speaking with pchestek on thursday about changes (whether major or minor) to the trademarks.
19:36:00 <nicubunu> pchestek: from our POV is not a "must" but a "nice to have"
19:36:19 <mizmo> ianweller, sounds good
19:36:34 <pchestek> FUDCon and the Foundations marks are unregistered, but still trademarks
19:36:41 <mizmo> ah okay
19:36:45 <ianweller> ah!
19:36:51 * mizmo apologizes for misspeaking
19:36:55 <pchestek> just a nit-noidy thing from the perspective of a trademark lawyer
19:37:10 <pchestek> Common misstatement ;-)
19:37:14 <ianweller> mizmo: i have one more thing...
19:37:18 <mizmo> sure
19:37:27 <ianweller> it should be noted that the logo@fedoraproject.org queue was moved to my red hat email from mizmo's red hat email
19:37:34 <mizmo> \o/
19:37:38 <ianweller> mizmo has been wanting to get rid of it and i stepped up
19:37:51 <ianweller> the queue has to stay within red hat since it distributes red hat trademarks
19:38:04 <ianweller> mizmo: pending any questions i'm done
19:38:07 <mizmo> kk
19:38:13 <mizmo> anybody have questions or we'll move on?
19:38:34 <finalzone> i had question about Comfortaa version
19:38:40 <finalzone> but I have figured out
19:39:13 <mizmo> ah okay
19:39:15 <mizmo> let's move on then!
19:39:20 <mizmo> #topic join design team page
19:39:27 <mizmo> both Emichan and tw2113 have done a great job with it
19:39:33 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Design_Team
19:39:36 <mizmo> er
19:39:38 <mizmo> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Design_Team
19:39:45 * ianweller applauds Emichan, tw2113
19:39:51 * Emichan bows
19:39:55 <ianweller> :)
19:39:57 <mizmo> do we want to copy/paste it into /wiki/Design?
19:39:59 <mizmo> or link out to it?
19:39:59 * kylebaker +1
19:40:00 <tw2113> ooh i got mentioned
19:40:09 <ianweller> mizmo: link out to it
19:40:19 <mizmo> right now /wiki/Design doesn't have any 'how to join'
19:40:30 <mizmo> okay i'm gonna add it now, one sec lol
19:40:41 <Emichan> wiki/Artwork does I believe
19:40:55 <ianweller> we need to merge [[artwork]] into [[design team]]
19:41:00 <finalzone> is the old wiki/Artwork going for retirment?
19:41:09 <nicubunu> yes
19:41:33 <Emichan> so wiki/Artwork is changing to wiki/Design?
19:41:40 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design#Joining_the_Design_Team
19:41:46 <mizmo> Emichan, yeh it's been a very slow process
19:41:51 <mizmo> we have to retire the old artwork page
19:41:51 <msourada> are we making it subcategory of design or getting rid of it completely?
19:42:03 <mizmo> i think we should get rid of it / archive it
19:42:15 <mizmo> maybe add a banner warning up top redirecting to /wiki/Design
19:42:27 <mizmo> 'dude this is dinosaur times out-of-date, plz visit /Design'
19:42:31 <mizmo> or something along those lines
19:42:34 <msourada> hehe
19:42:37 <mizmo> anybody wanna volunteer to do it? :)
19:42:50 <tw2113> rawr i'm a dinosaur *makes rudamentary claws with his hands*
19:43:09 <mizmo> denver, the last dinosaur. he's your friend and a whole lot more! *clap clap* *queue 80's cartoon theme*
19:43:09 <Emichan> wiki/Artwork may have some info that should be moved to wiki/Design
19:43:28 <Emichan> mizmo: lmao
19:43:41 * tw2113 has/had that theme in mp3 format somewhere
19:43:47 <mizmo> even just a quick 'n dirty, 'this page is deprecated' notice on wiki/Artwork, and a 'some useful info might still lurk here' link to it from /wiki/Design would be better than our current situation
19:43:59 <mizmo> if somebody is willing to knock that out it would be awesome
19:44:13 <mizmo> but we got 15 minutes left so i am gonna move on, feel free to volunteer at any time though and i will #action you :)
19:44:20 <mizmo> #topic fedora website redesign
19:44:29 <mizmo> so i took some time today to clean up the wiki page for the website redesign
19:44:44 <mizmo> it is no longer website redesign 2009, while that rhymes nicely i think it's out of date
19:44:59 <mizmo> so it's now here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign
19:45:18 <mizmo> i made a little boneyard page and copied old info to it, and broke open a new page for the new www.fpo mocks (haven't uploaded 'em yet, will be working on that this afternoon
19:45:48 <mizmo> so a couple concerns with the website design
19:45:51 <mizmo> we had some open tasks open
19:45:57 <mizmo> i dont think either jef or ian are here though
19:46:20 <mizmo> we need to figure out what tutorials to do http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-July/002889.html
19:46:34 <mizmo> and finish the current www.fpo content review http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-July/002885.html
19:46:49 <mizmo> i did a get.fpo postmorterm blog post this week, http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/get-fedoraproject-org-redesign-post-mortem/
19:47:07 <mizmo> and also a history of the redesign project http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/fedora-websites-design-status/
19:47:19 <mizmo> this week im planning to post the latest mockup on planet fedora,
19:47:31 <mizmo> with the changes jef and Emichan suggested last week (sorry i'm behind :) ) in it
19:47:42 <mizmo> and also i need to get some help figuring out the site structure / developing content
19:47:47 <mizmo> so you'll see blog posts on both those3
19:47:56 <mizmo> anybody have questions or concerns on the website redesign project?
19:48:27 <mizmo> okay
19:48:30 <mizmo> so the next topic
19:48:33 <mizmo> #topic UX design projects
19:48:50 <mizmo> last week i think in the post-meeting discussion we talked about how we still so far mostly focus on branding and artwork projects
19:48:55 <mizmo> and how we should take on some more UX projects
19:49:01 <mizmo> so Emichan filed a couple of tickets for us
19:49:10 <mizmo> live usb creator UI https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/146
19:49:13 <mizmo> installer UI https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/147
19:49:18 <mizmo> both of these are part of fedora
19:49:31 <mizmo> a critical part of the fedora experience since every user installing fedora goes through one or the other
19:49:38 <mizmo> and fedora is also the upstream for both these projects
19:49:44 <mizmo> so they seem like good places to start
19:49:55 <mizmo> is anyone interested in working on either of these?
19:49:59 * mizmo is definitely interested
19:50:13 * Emichan is also interested
19:50:19 * ianweller has way too much on his plate to be interested :(
19:50:24 <finalzone> I will be tempted to explore installer interface
19:50:34 <mizmo> cool!!
19:50:50 <mizmo> i think one thing that everybody interested could do
19:50:53 <mizmo> and it's not too hard
19:50:59 <mizmo> is take a run through either or both of these UIs
19:51:01 <finalzone> I never worked with GUI creation before so I might need help
19:51:08 <mizmo> and just write a quick story or journal of your experience
19:51:21 <mizmo> finalzone, thats definitely an area of expertise for me so i am very happy to get anybody interested up-to-speed!
19:51:33 <nicubunu> finalzone: a mockup in inkscape should be enough of a start
19:51:42 <mizmo> i think if we each write down our experiences with the installer, for example, and note any weird issues we see, any problems or confusions we run into
19:51:44 <mizmo> and compare notes
19:51:51 <mizmo> we'll have a good 'usability bug list'
19:51:54 <Emichan> anyone know if these are gtk apps?
19:51:54 <finalzone> thanks mizmo and nicubunu
19:52:01 <mizmo> and that will help us understand how to better mock up a solution
19:52:08 <mizmo> Emichan, i know for sure the installer is GTK
19:52:20 <mizmo> Emichan, i am not sure if the liveusb creator UI is though
19:52:27 <Emichan> usb creator is multi-platform, so it might not be...
19:52:34 <nicubunu> and the USB creator is qt?
19:52:42 * mizmo asks real quick in #fedora-devel what its written in
19:52:48 <nicubunu> qt
19:52:48 <mizmo> nicubunu, that sounds like it might be right
19:53:16 <mizmo> either way though the GUI toolkit shouldn't affect our design too much
19:53:17 * ianweller can look
19:53:35 <Emichan> it affects what widgets are available and the look of them...
19:53:55 <mizmo> where a widget isn't available though there are things we can do to make a better user experience
19:54:00 <nicubunu> i don't think we want more than "classic" widgets
19:54:04 <mizmo> i think its more important to focus on the best user experience than the limitations of the toolkit
19:54:09 <mizmo> eg when i did the storage UI redesign for the installer
19:54:13 <Emichan> mizmo: good point
19:54:19 <mizmo> we ended up making a custom GTK widget to do column sorting
19:54:28 <mizmo> because it was really important for the list to not get out-of-control
19:54:44 <mizmo> usually though nicubunu is quite right, it's not a good idea to stray far from classic widgets
19:54:52 <mizmo> but dont let them limit you either :)
19:54:57 <Emichan> :)
19:55:01 <mizmo> #link live usb creator UI https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/146
19:55:06 <mizmo> #link installer UI https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/147
19:55:07 <tw2113> bend them, don't neglect them
19:55:25 <mizmo> so what im going to commit to do before next meeting is run through liveusb creator and write up a little journal with screenshots to share my experience
19:55:31 <mizmo> #action mizmo to try liveusb creator and take UI notes
19:56:06 <mizmo> anybody have any other comments or questions on this topic?
19:56:21 <mizmo> fwiw it is QT, the liveusb creator
19:56:22 <mizmo> qt4
19:56:34 <ianweller> yeah i just found that too... PyQt4
19:56:56 <tw2113> i just have something to say post-meeting
19:56:59 <mizmo> kk
19:57:04 <mizmo> i think we have one more topic and it's quick
19:57:10 <mizmo> #topic design team member interviews
19:57:18 <mizmo> finalzone, did you get interviewed by fedora marketing yet?
19:57:24 <tw2113> there's some irony
19:57:30 <mizmo> (oh we have the os con topic too,,, which i missed)
19:57:30 <finalzone> mizmo, not yet
19:57:53 <mizmo> finalzone, okay, the mktg meeting is starting in a couple minutes so ill ask whats up
19:58:07 <finalzone> mizmo, ok
19:58:08 <mizmo> #topic oscon
19:58:33 <mizmo> i just want to ask folks to take a look at what mchua posted to the list today and we'll take some time next week to talk about it (or we can even talk about it post-meeting)
19:58:58 <mizmo> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-July/002993.html
19:59:07 <mizmo> these guys have a tool they created for design collaboration
19:59:11 <mizmo> it's AGPL / completely open source
19:59:16 <mizmo> and it look like something we can really use, today
19:59:33 <mizmo> it's called pickpic, the url is
19:59:33 <mizmo> http://django.parcodiyellowstone.it/pickpic/
19:59:43 <mizmo> i think it might be neat to try to work on the F14 wallpaper and banners with it
19:59:45 <mizmo> anyway
19:59:47 <mizmo> that's what i've got
19:59:53 <tw2113> i got one thing
20:00:04 <mizmo> okay whats up tw2113
20:00:13 <tw2113> Just wanted to say that within the next few weeks, I'm going to be having my own interview with mizmo for my interview series "Do You Think You Know..." and will be letting it get posted to Planet Fedora. Look forward to it. Look for it at my site michaelbox.net
20:00:22 <mizmo> hehe nice
20:00:27 <ianweller> noice.
20:00:37 <mizmo> lol
20:00:40 <mizmo> noice, bbq
20:00:43 <mizmo> okay!
20:00:45 <mizmo> #endmeeting