19:00:03 <mizmo> #startmeeting 19:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jul 13 19:00:03 2010 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:16 * mizmo grabs the agenda 19:00:39 <mizmo> #topic Fedora 14 artwork 19:00:41 <mizmo> okay 19:00:44 <mizmo> so this is more of a question - 19:00:51 <mizmo> has anyone worked on the winning theme concept yet? 19:00:57 <mizmo> the source files should be all available 19:01:03 <mizmo> i updated all the various wiki pages, etc 19:01:07 <nicubunu> AFAIK no 19:01:13 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Theme_Concepts 19:01:28 <mizmo> does anyone have any further critique or suggestions they'd like to offer on it? 19:02:09 <nicubunu> did we got any feedback after announcing the winner? 19:02:16 <mizmo> hmm 19:02:27 <mizmo> we didn't on-list AFAIK but i haven't checked all the blog comments on it lately 19:02:44 <kylebaker> I did not see anything major 19:03:12 <mizmo> huh 19:03:16 <mizmo> it looks like we didnt even do a blog post on it! 19:03:25 * mizmo checked planet.fpo/design 19:03:31 <mizmo> does anyone want to announce it in a blog post? 19:03:52 <mizmo> it should be a pretty simple post 19:04:07 <mizmo> - show the graphic, explain it won the vote, potentially link to the mailing list archive discussion, and call for feedback 19:04:14 <kylebaker> I can do it I will just translate it from italian 19:04:14 <Schendje> yeah i can do it but it'll only appear on planet fedora... 19:04:17 <mizmo> we may want to call for feedback in the forums and on the users-list as well 19:04:17 <ryanlerch-mobile> Sorry, I missed what we were talking about. 19:04:29 <mizmo> ryanlerch, we're talking about the F14 default theme we chose last week 19:04:31 <nicubunu> mizmo, in my experience we get the most feedback when you do the post 19:04:36 <mizmo> so far we haven't gotten a lot of feedback 19:04:50 <mizmo> nicubunu, my blog doesn't get as many responses these days though lol i think i slacked off too long in june 19:05:10 <mizmo> im not opposed to blogging it tohugh, i just want to make sure other folks have a chance to blog 19:05:18 <jimmac> mizmo: ADD working its magic on the blogosphere 19:05:19 <mizmo> Schendje, do you know how to add yourself to the fedora design planet? 19:05:30 <jimmac> mizmo: more tweets, fewer blog comments 19:05:35 <Schendje> er, no :) 19:05:57 <mizmo> Schendje, i think you just copy the .planet file in your fedorapeople account slightly, we can do it after the meeting if you have time 19:06:06 <Schendje> sure 19:06:06 <mizmo> jimmac, thats a really good point, tweets/dents help too 19:06:18 <mizmo> okay how about this 19:06:21 <jimmac> mizmo: dents heh 19:06:21 <mizmo> i'll blog the F14 theme 19:06:23 * jimmac notes 19:06:41 <mizmo> Schendje, would you be cool with posting the theme to fedora-forum.org and users@lists.fedoraproject.org for feedback? 19:06:51 <mizmo> grr tw2113 isn't here, he is the twitter master 19:06:55 <nicubunu> mizmo: you have the most followers, so you should also dent too 19:06:55 <Schendje> yeah, sure :) 19:07:02 <mizmo> nicubunu, i'll re-dent Schendje's 19:07:09 <ryanlerch-mobile> mizmo: Multiple blog posts wouldn't hurt tho? 19:07:16 <mizmo> ryanlerch-mobile, very true 19:07:18 <finalzone> hello everyrone 19:07:23 <mizmo> hey finalzone! glad to see you 19:07:29 <mizmo> we are just talking about advertising the F14 theme concept now 19:07:32 <mizmo> so we can get more feedback 19:07:38 <finalzone> =) 19:07:44 <mizmo> okay so i think, and correct me if i'm wrong 19:07:59 <mizmo> #action mizmo to blog the F14 theme choice 19:08:10 <mizmo> #action Schendje to post the F14 theme choice to fedora-forum.org and users@lists.fedoraproject.org 19:08:26 <kylebaker> Is there someplace we can put all of the feedback? 19:08:36 <mizmo> kylebaker, probably collecting it on the wiki page is a good plan 19:08:39 <finalzone> I will set a sticker on fedora-forum as moderator 19:08:44 <mizmo> finalzone, that would be awesome 19:08:47 <kylebaker> ok 19:08:47 <jimmac> when you guys talk about theme, you mean the general motive derived from kyle's wallpaper submission? 19:08:53 <mizmo> #action finalzone to set a sticker on the fedora-forum F14 conversation 19:08:55 <jimmac> sorry to be late 19:09:04 <mizmo> jimmac, yep you've got it 19:09:24 <mizmo> would anybody be up for twitter and identi.ca duty for the F14 theme? 19:09:29 <nicubunu> jimmac: so far only the concept, to see we are going the right way 19:09:37 <jimmac> got it 19:10:00 <mizmo> anybody? bueller? 19:10:00 <mizmo> hehe 19:10:15 <ryanlerch-mobile> mizmo: I will. 19:10:21 <mizmo> yay thanks ryanlerch-mobile 19:10:30 <nicubunu> jimmac: in previous releases we got serious negative feedback post-beta, VERY late in the cycle 19:10:32 <mizmo> #actoin ryanlerch to take twitter & identi.ca duty; mizmo will re-dent 19:10:35 <mizmo> er 19:10:39 <mizmo> #action ryanlerch to take twitter & identi.ca duty; mizmo will re-dent 19:10:49 <mizmo> is there any other feedback avenue we are missing? 19:11:26 <mizmo> hmm 19:11:34 <mizmo> nicubunu, can you add a call for feedback to the design portion of FWN? 19:11:48 <nicubunu> i reported the winner last week 19:11:52 <mizmo> to kylebaker's suggestion, too, we need someone to start a wiki page to gather the feedback 19:12:23 <mizmo> nicubunu, maybe, if i create the feedback wiki page, and announce it on the design list, you could use that as the main story for next FWN to try to solicit some more feedback? 19:12:24 <mizmo> what do youthink? 19:12:28 <nicubunu> uh... kylebaker, do you get the allusion? 19:13:20 <kylebaker> I can do it 19:13:28 <mizmo> okay cool 19:13:38 <nicubunu> for that i need the page created FAST 19:13:46 <mizmo> #action kylebaker to create wiki page for feedback off of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Theme_Concepts 19:13:55 <mizmo> maybe call it https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Feedback ? 19:14:02 <mizmo> nicubunu, whats your deadline? 19:14:23 <nicubunu> tomorrow... european time 19:14:43 <mizmo> okay, kylebaker can you have a wiki page set up by then? 19:14:59 <nicubunu> the page can be just a stub, something to link on 19:15:00 <mizmo> everybody, also note the deadline for F14 wallpaper for alpha is Tue 27-Jul .... which is only two weeks away 19:15:13 <kylebaker> Yep. I will email the list when its ready to go. 19:15:21 <mizmo> awesome thanks kyle!! 19:15:24 <nicubunu> thanks kylebaker 19:15:40 <mizmo> i wanna encourage everybody to grab the sources and poke at the artwork and come up with some ideas 19:15:51 <mizmo> even crazy ideas are good because they are good food for even better ideas :) 19:15:55 <mizmo> another note for F14 19:16:16 <mizmo> the supplemental wallpaper submission period ends Thu 19-Aug which is a little over a month away 19:16:29 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Submissions 19:16:35 <mizmo> i haven't seen alot of additoins to the page 19:16:44 <mizmo> so please, get the word out that we're looking for awesome CC-licensed wallpapers 19:16:54 <mizmo> if you have a friend who is an awesome photographer, maybe try to sell her or him on CC :) 19:17:03 <nicubunu> we need the owner of this task to make more noise about it 19:17:13 <mizmo> fabsh, are you around? 19:17:17 <finalzone> I might submit some of my photos 19:17:22 <mizmo> finalzone, that would be awesome 19:17:30 <mizmo> i think fabsh is the owner 19:17:37 <nicubunu> we need also a planet post about supplemental wallpapers 19:17:54 <mizmo> i'll send fabsh an email and see where he's at with it 19:18:06 <mizmo> he may be overloaded or may already have something in the works 19:18:11 <ryanlerch-mobile> I'll post to my blog about it. 19:18:16 <mizmo> #action mizmo to contact fabsh about announcing supplemental wallpapers 19:18:20 <mizmo> sweet ryanlerch-mobile!! 19:18:29 <nicubunu> i may to submit some photos too... but lately did shoot very little appropriate material :D 19:18:30 <mizmo> #action ryanlerch to blog supplemental wallpapers https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Submissions (due aug 19) 19:18:43 <mizmo> #action kylebaker to create wiki page before tomorrow and to announce on design-team list 19:18:53 <mizmo> #action nicubunu to post about F14 artwork to FWN 19:19:46 <nicubunu> reporting for FWN is based on quotable sources, so i'm waiting for kylebaker 19:20:17 <mizmo> kk 19:20:21 <mizmo> aiight let's move on to next topic 19:20:36 <mizmo> #topic New Fedora fonts 19:20:40 <mizmo> so, thus far! 19:20:47 <mizmo> we decided to trial Comfortaa 19:20:53 <mizmo> and finalzone's Muffin design is a good testbed 19:20:59 <mizmo> the latest design team bounty also involves using Comfortaa 19:21:08 <mizmo> and I've been trying it out in some web mockups I've been working on this week 19:21:10 <mizmo> (one sec) 19:21:31 <nicubunu> i need a couple more glyphs for complete coverage of my language 19:21:49 <mizmo> nicubunu, do you have the list of missing glyphs handy? 19:22:08 <mizmo> here is where i tried it out in a mockup: 19:22:08 <nicubunu> and i know nothing about hinting, so can't do myself properly 19:22:08 <mizmo> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoracommunity.org/fedoracommunity.org.5.png 19:22:23 <mizmo> alsohere 19:22:23 <mizmo> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoraproject.org/fedoraproject.org.3.png 19:22:31 <nicubunu> mizmo: i need ș and ț 19:22:39 <mizmo> nicubunu, are those the only two missing? 19:22:51 <nicubunu> for my language, i believe yes 19:22:54 <mizmo> okay cool 19:23:02 <mizmo> has anyone else noticed missing glyphs for their language in comfortaa? 19:23:12 * mizmo very happy to be able to write her name lol 19:23:27 <finalzone> no on my side 19:23:45 <mizmo> sdziallas, (if you are there) are there any missing German glyphs in Comfortaa that you are aware of? 19:24:04 <mizmo> well 19:24:16 <mizmo> when the font creator Johan gets back (I think at the end of this week) 19:24:22 <mizmo> i can let him know about ș and ț 19:24:37 <mizmo> #action mizmo to talk to Johan about missing ș and ț in Comfortaa 19:24:46 <mizmo> the other discussion point on fonts is our body text font 19:24:57 <mizmo> we've been looking at Droid Sans but jimmac had another suggestion which is Dave Crossland's font 19:24:58 <nicubunu> tomorrow will send a mail with codes and all the needed info 19:25:04 <mizmo> nicubunu, that would be awesome 19:25:13 <mizmo> #action tomorrow nicubunu will send an email with the codes and info for missing glyphs 19:25:19 <nicubunu> my complaint is also true for cantarell 19:25:29 <mizmo> this is the new suggestion http://abattis.org/cantarell/ 19:25:32 <mizmo> nicubunu, same glyp0hs missing? 19:25:37 <nicubunu> yes 19:25:40 <mizmo> what do folks think about Cantarell? 19:25:50 <mizmo> i think a strong case for it is that Dave created it using open source software 19:26:05 <nicubunu> i had a weird experience with cantarell 19:26:12 <mizmo> what happened? 19:26:30 <nicubunu> copied it in .fonts and tried to use it in inkscape... i can't make it non-bold 19:26:46 <mizmo> that might be a problem in the font file 19:26:48 <nicubunu> i press the button and it says bold 19:26:59 <nicubunu> stays 19:26:59 <sdziallas> mizmo: hey :) 19:27:02 <mizmo> ive seen similar issues in some fonts, i dont remember what the problem was but it should be fixable 19:27:04 <sdziallas> (sorry for being late) 19:27:11 <mizmo> sorry for the drive-by ping sdziallas :) 19:27:20 <sdziallas> I'm not aware of any, but... I can have a look real quick. 19:27:25 <mizmo> sdziallas, that would be awesome 19:27:46 <mizmo> jimmac! you speak Czech, right? have you noticed any missing glyphs in Comfortaa? 19:27:57 <mizmo> or Cantarell? 19:28:39 <finalzone> nicubunu, I think the bug about bold in Cantarell is from Inkscape 19:28:43 <mizmo> does anybody have strong feelings towards Cantarell vs Droid? 19:28:55 <mizmo> #action investigate bold bug with Cantarell & Inkscape 19:29:14 <mizmo> nicubunu, would you be willing to contact Dave about the missing Romanian glyphs? 19:29:15 <nicubunu> finalzone: thanks for the tip, will try also in gimp... but i need the fonts working in inkscape too 19:29:28 <nicubunu> mizmo: OK 19:29:43 <ryanlerch-mobile> Canarell is not packaged yet, right? 19:29:43 <mizmo> cool 19:29:59 <mizmo> #action nicubunu to contact Dave Crossland re: missing ș and ț 19:29:59 <finalzone> no problem. doing Ctrl+Shift+T is a workaround for bold in inscakpe 19:30:04 <finalzone> inkscape 19:30:07 <nicubunu> i will put the info together for comfortaa anyway 19:30:11 <sdziallas> mizmo: looks fine for me, let me do a close check. 19:30:13 <mizmo> ryanlerch-mobile, i dont think it is yet no. but that shouldn't be a blocker 19:30:34 <mizmo> #info workaround for cantarell bold bug in inkscape is ctrl+shift+t 19:30:48 <ryanlerch-mobile> I just tried to find it and wasn't sure if it was or not :) 19:30:50 <mizmo> okay so it seems like nobody has strong opinions here? 19:30:57 * mizmo feels kind of strongly more towards Cantarell than Droid 19:31:07 <mizmo> Cantarell isn't as in wide a usage and it's also created in FLOSS 19:31:26 * nicubunu +1, for a more personalized identity 19:31:28 <mizmo> so I think we can look a bit more unique with it and also support FLOSS a bit more 19:31:28 <ryanlerch-mobile> FLOSS= fontforge? 19:31:33 <mizmo> ryanlerch-mobile, yep! 19:31:34 <sdziallas> mizmo: cantarell seems to support ä/ö/ü/ß :) 19:31:41 <mizmo> he gave a talk at LGM this year about its creation 19:31:44 <mizmo> sdziallas, sweet!! 19:31:51 <mizmo> sdziallas, thanks for checking :) 19:31:56 <mizmo> sdziallas, did you try comfortaa too? 19:32:05 <sdziallas> (at least it looks really strongly to me like this isn't dejavu) 19:32:13 <sdziallas> mizmo: argh, sorry. I mean comfortaa! 19:32:17 <mizmo> ohhhh awesome 19:32:19 <sdziallas> (didn't try cantarell) 19:32:26 <mizmo> this is good news either way :) 19:32:31 <mizmo> okay 19:32:35 <mizmo> so we have a few action items for that one 19:32:49 <mizmo> i guess we're at the halfway mark now 19:32:58 <mizmo> we'll move to the next topic and come back to this if we need to 19:33:19 <mizmo> tw2113, you ready to talk about the join page? 19:33:48 <mizmo> hmm maybe not, we'll come back to it; 19:33:52 <mizmo> #topic fedoraproject.org redesign 19:34:00 <mizmo> so i think this has been brought up before 19:34:12 <mizmo> before F14 the fedora websites team is working on a redesign of www.fpo 19:34:24 <mizmo> you've probably seen some of the old mockups, we've been trying to push this since before F11 lol 19:34:31 <mizmo> but we got a little bit delayed - 19:34:41 <mizmo> we had a requirement to complete spins.fpo *first* 19:34:52 <mizmo> so i think spins.fpo was finished for F12, the new get.fpo was finished for F13 19:35:02 <mizmo> so for F14 the front page should be finished 19:35:15 <mizmo> there's a pretty detailed schedule Sijis, ricky, and I put together for the project 19:35:35 <mizmo> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-web-tasks.html 19:35:41 <mizmo> oh and im late on osome of the tasks too, grr 19:35:44 <mizmo> anyway 19:35:56 <mizmo> i showed you a couple mockups before 19:36:15 <mizmo> thisis what i have right now for www.fpo http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoraproject.org/fedoraproject.org.3.png 19:36:35 <mizmo> and a corresponding style for fedoracommunity.org (a much smaller project): http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoracommunity.org/fedoracommunity.org.5.png 19:36:44 <mizmo> its a good opportunity i think to try out comfortaa as well 19:36:54 <tw2113> i'm here now 19:36:54 <mizmo> anyway all the sources for the mockups are in those directories 19:37:02 <mizmo> does anybody have any questions or concerns about the redesign? 19:37:06 <mizmo> want to get involved, etc? 19:37:11 <mizmo> tw2113, cool we'll get to your topic next! 19:37:15 <Schendje> i'd love to get involved 19:37:18 <Schendje> anything at all for me to do? 19:37:24 <nicubunu> i think the page is too tall, a lot of scrolling needed 19:37:28 <mizmo> Schendje, sweet! 19:37:34 <mizmo> well 19:37:51 <mizmo> there's a few items needed, Schendje 19:38:03 <mizmo> one thing we'd like to do is a content review of the current www.fpo - 19:38:25 <mizmo> are the pages we have at www.fpo (and these are just the static webpages, not the wiki) generally correct? are there any issues with them? suggestions / improvements to be made? 19:38:31 <mizmo> we're looking for an assessment of what we have now 19:38:35 <mizmo> another task 19:38:45 <mizmo> is that at least the initial idea we had 19:38:52 <mizmo> was to develop some content for www.fpo 19:38:55 <mizmo> there's four categories: 19:39:29 <mizmo> "Your Life on Fedora" showing how Fedora helps you do the things you do anyway, like listen to music or chat with friends 19:39:44 <mizmo> people do these things with proprietary software now so it might be a way to show htem the open source way of doing the same thing 19:40:13 <mizmo> "It's Better" to show how Fedora & FLOSS in general are better technologically 19:40:26 <mizmo> the one example article in the mockup talks about how/why Fedora is more secure than other OSes 19:40:51 <mizmo> "Do It With Fedora" - kind of a crafty category, showing off fun projects you can make using Fedora, with a tutorial to accompany it 19:40:56 <mizmo> and the last one is 19:41:27 <mizmo> "I use Fedora" which is interviews of actual Fedora users from different fields - maybe a student, a developer, a mom, etc. talking about how they use Fedora in their work 19:41:37 <mizmo> so we need someone to help manage the creation of those articles 19:41:52 <mizmo> EG one task we are behind on right now is announcing these article concepts and getting feedback on them, getting ideas for what articles to write 19:42:04 <mizmo> for I use Fedora we had the idea to interview a student who uses Fedora 19:42:15 <mizmo> for do it with Fedora we had the idea to do a tutorial on using Cheese 19:42:17 <mizmo> etc etc 19:42:25 <mizmo> Schendje, do either of those sound like a project you'd be interested in? 19:42:48 <mizmo> nicubunu, it is pretty long, but I think the most important content is above the fold 19:42:54 <nicubunu> who is the owner of the text there? websites? what's the relation with marketing, documentation, news? 19:42:58 <mizmo> that being said i think keeping things 'above the fold' isn't as important as it used to be 19:43:12 <nicubunu> on my netbook is about 3.5 screens 19:43:21 <mizmo> nicubunu, it's not determined yet. i think maybe ultimately marketing should own the content 19:43:31 <mizmo> nicubunu, the mockup is static, the actual site will be dynamic and i hope would scale down properly 19:43:40 <finalzone> that will be a good test for XO laptop too 19:43:47 <mizmo> ownership is something the content manager here would probably need to wrok out 19:44:02 <finalzone> hopefully the page is scalable 19:44:18 <nicubunu> we don't want in-fights for the content 19:44:40 <mizmo> nicubunu, lol at this point im desperate to get anyone to want to own it :) 19:44:51 <mizmo> if people want to fight over it, that would be awesome if you know what i mean ;-) 19:45:04 <mizmo> that point being said, i do think we need to make sure it works on netbooks 19:45:12 <mizmo> i would also like to make a version for mobile phones 19:45:44 <Schendje> is the content review about the content only, or the design and layout too? 19:46:05 <mizmo> Schendje, design and layout too, especially where they might cause issues or confusion, are definitely points that could be focused on, but 19:46:10 <mizmo> i think it needs to focus mostly on 19:46:13 <mizmo> "what content is here" 19:46:17 <mizmo> "is that content correct?" 19:46:22 <mizmo> "is there content we need here that is missing?" 19:46:24 <Schendje> yeah ok 19:46:27 <Schendje> that sounds cool :) 19:46:33 <mizmo> "does anybody have ideas on improving the whole situation ":) 19:46:43 <mizmo> so mostly focus on content, but design tips/suggestions are definitely welcome 19:46:48 <Schendje> but where should i pay attention? i'm not tracking the websites team at all, for example... 19:46:48 <mizmo> does it seem like something you'd want to take on Schendje? 19:46:55 <Schendje> yeah absolutely! 19:46:58 <mizmo> Schendje, we haven't really started meeting on it yet, 19:47:18 <mizmo> Schendje, actually I think just this week Sijis sent out a email to set the time for the websites meetings 19:47:31 <mizmo> so maybe join the websites team list and submit your available times :) 19:47:40 <mizmo> it's definitely a multi-dimensional project that spans many teams 19:47:40 <Schendje> yep will do! 19:47:47 <ryanlerch_laptop> mizmo: i can ping the fedora-docs list and see if anyone is keen to contribute some small tutorial content (e.g. the cheese tutorial that you suggested) 19:47:53 <mizmo> but we generally either discuss it in here or in #fedora-websites 19:47:58 <mizmo> ryanlerch, that would be *awesome* 19:48:01 <mizmo> ryanlerch_laptop^^ 19:48:08 <mizmo> we even just need ideas on what the tutorials should be about 19:48:29 <mizmo> the hope too is that at least a couple of them feature new upcoming features, or features recently introduced (like say in F13) 19:48:33 <mizmo> cool 19:48:45 <mizmo> #action Schendje to work on content review for www.fpo 19:49:01 <mizmo> #action ryanlerch to ping fedora-docs list for tutorial content for new www.fpo 19:49:07 <mizmo> #action mizmo to add netbook to new www.fpo test plan 19:49:13 <mizmo> #action mizmo to also mockup a fedora mobile website 19:49:35 <mizmo> #action mizmo to do call for proposals for www.fpo content (maybe blog, maybe mailing list(s) 19:49:37 <mizmo> okay cool 19:49:44 <mizmo> any other questions/comments on the web redesign? 19:49:57 <mizmo> okay since time is short i'm truckin' on 19:50:02 <mizmo> #topic new join design team page 19:50:03 <mizmo> tw2113, you are on 19:50:12 <tw2113> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Design_Team 19:50:39 <tw2113> more or less, I noticed we didn't really have a good solid "so you want to join our team, good! Go here to find out how and what you need to do" page 19:51:12 <tw2113> we had somewhat of one on the frontpage of our section of the wiki, but it was all mixed in with the "so you're considering joining...this is why you should" stuff 19:51:13 <nicubunu> for me that page looks scary, with a lot of text 19:51:49 <tw2113> chances are we could seperate it out a bit more and get some whitespace going 19:52:04 <tw2113> "this section is to help get you started after you are going on the actual join process" 19:52:15 <ryanlerch_laptop> or a comic :D 19:52:38 * nicubunu does not get the clue :p 19:52:48 <tw2113> from "Fedora Design Team Communication Channels " on down, it's target for people a bit more "after i've started" 19:52:52 <tw2113> where to find us 19:53:03 <tw2113> also resources 19:53:47 <tw2113> it was mostly me piecing together what we already had and updating areas 19:53:58 <tw2113> like most of them didn't list #fedora-design for IRC, and this is our primary area 19:54:23 <tw2113> i believe we had the old mailing list references in there too, before the big changeover 19:54:52 <tw2113> if anyone knows of anything useful to add or needs further editing, go for it 19:55:18 <tw2113> I more or less wanted to get a "go to" page up that we could point the new people to 19:55:41 <Schendje> imho its great to have all of this in one place.. but don't we need a sort of introduction page *before* they go through this? 19:56:05 <nicubunu> i have some edits to make, but not now: the order of irc channels, add description of their purpose... 19:56:35 <tw2113> Schendje, this would be our introduction page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork 19:56:54 <Schendje> tw2113: oh right, you said that :) 19:57:03 <tw2113> with a bit of editing to remove duplicate content 19:57:23 <ryanlerch_laptop> we should show off some of our awesome work on the page. 19:57:27 <nicubunu> one dau we have to move Artwork to Design 19:57:31 <ryanlerch_laptop> s/the/that/ 19:57:59 <ryanlerch_laptop> just to entice new contributors. 19:58:02 <tw2113> we do have https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design up but the first thing it discusses is meetings 19:58:12 <tw2113> isn't that called the live cd ryanlerch_laptop ? 19:58:46 <Schendje> i hate to be so negative, but i still think the artwork page is not very introduce-y and kind of scary 19:59:01 <nicubunu> ryanlerch_laptop is talking about maing the wiki page prettier and a better "sell" 19:59:06 <Schendje> for a page that shows the design team it's very light on the design side 19:59:08 <tw2113> i was kidding 19:59:25 <Schendje> for instance what ryanlerch_laptop says about our work :) 19:59:36 <nicubunu> tw2113: of course, for that is the Design spin! 19:59:50 <tw2113> anyways, there are things to further work on 20:00:06 <tw2113> whether it be me finding some spare time some night or someone else wanting to jump in and work on the copy of the pages 20:00:46 <mizmo> hey folks sorry i had a bit of an emergency to tend to but im back now 20:01:07 * mizmo reads backscroll 20:01:51 <tw2113> i guess I really have nothing to add. I hope I got something rolling and lets see how far we can push this boulder 20:01:56 <mizmo> Schendje, the Artwork page is scary, it's way old 20:02:10 <mizmo> that weird signature thing at the top - i didnt even write it lol 20:02:16 * mizmo not really comfortable with it... 20:02:52 <mizmo> tw2113, so what do you need from us to continue with this? 20:02:57 <mizmo> tw2113, have you gotten good enough feedback? 20:03:04 <mizmo> would you like more detailed feedback on-list? 20:03:11 <tw2113> that would help 20:03:20 <mizmo> okay cool 20:03:26 <tw2113> more or less stuff we think could help our incoming people 20:03:34 <tw2113> flat out removal of stuff that no longer applies 20:03:38 <mizmo> #action mizmo to start thread on providing more detailed feedback on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Design_Team wiki page 20:03:44 <mizmo> we might want the ninja image too 20:03:48 <mizmo> and maybe even advertise the bounties 20:03:53 <mizmo> i think they are maybe going to be a good way to get started 20:03:59 <mizmo> aiight 20:04:01 <mizmo> any more on this topic? 20:04:05 <mizmo> we've run a bit over on time 20:04:08 <tw2113> i'm done 20:04:16 <mizmo> sweet thanks tw2113! great job on getting the ball rolling! 20:04:30 <mizmo> making it easier for folks to join our team is really important 20:04:47 <mizmo> the other topics we had 20:04:49 <mizmo> #topic tickets 20:04:56 <mizmo> i think pierros is still working on tickets 138 and 139 20:05:08 <mizmo> i think we can let tickets well enough alone this week since we're so short on time 20:05:30 <mizmo> #topic design team marketing interviews 20:05:43 <mizmo> Robyn told me she's caught up in FUDcon planning and hasn't had a chance to interview finalzone yet 20:05:46 <mizmo> so that's the status on this project 20:05:48 <mizmo> #topic open floor 20:05:51 <mizmo> anything else? 20:05:56 <mizmo> any questions, concerns, comments, etc? :) 20:05:59 <Schendje> oh yeah i completed https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/144 but that's really all to say about that... 20:06:14 <mizmo> woohoo kickin' Schendje ! 20:06:21 <mizmo> #info Schendje completed https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/144 20:06:29 <finalzone> no question, when Robyn will be ready for making interview, I shall be ready 20:06:33 <mizmo> yay 20:06:38 <ryanlerch_laptop> Schendje: nice! 20:06:40 <mizmo> youve got some nice design work to show off to her too finalzone 20:07:22 <finalzone> yup yup 20:07:31 <mizmo> okay i think we're set then 20:07:33 <mizmo> #endmeeting