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19:00:58 <mizmo> all right, roll call!
19:01:02 * mizmo Máirín Duffy
19:01:05 * rbergeron 
19:01:06 * msourada is present
19:01:08 * sdziallas is here in case anybody has questions 'bout the design suite (plz ping if so, might be jetting in the meantime.)
19:01:12 <tw2113> +3 here
19:01:18 <kylebaker> bam
19:01:24 * Schendje is here
19:01:25 * nicubunu here
19:01:36 <mizmo> cool we gots a good turnout
19:01:40 <mizmo> okay so the first topic
19:01:43 * mbenitez hello all!
19:01:44 <inkscaper> Hi all :)
19:01:47 <mizmo> #topic Fedora 14 Artwork Schedule
19:01:57 * mizmo coughs in the bots general direction
19:02:04 <mizmo> #changetopic Fedora 14 Artwork Schedule
19:02:08 <mizmo> okay w/e
19:02:17 <rbergeron> bot doesn't have ops - it'll still capture in the meeting log though :)
19:02:23 <mizmo> this is our schedule
19:02:24 <mizmo> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-design-tasks.html
19:02:33 <mizmo> so I think right now our two main concerns
19:02:52 <mizmo> #1 settling on a solid conceptual design. we don't have much time
19:03:01 <mizmo> the deadline is July 6th which is next Tuesday I believe, so in one week
19:03:10 <mizmo> at our meeting next week we'll have to decide together which concept we're going with
19:03:25 <mizmo> this means, if you've proposed a concept, please polish it up as much as you can for presentation at next week's meeting
19:03:49 <mizmo> we should be choosing both on the strength of the idea & its relation to fedora as well as the quality of or the potential quality of the rendering
19:03:55 <mizmo> any questions on the F14 conceptual design?
19:04:29 <msourada> we still have about 24 days between the decision and alpha wallpapers readiness, so there's still some time for polishing *after* the decision
19:04:33 <mizmo> yeh
19:04:47 <mizmo> but if you polish your ideas a little bit more before the decision it betters your chances :)
19:04:52 <msourada> yeh
19:04:54 <mizmo> okay
19:04:58 <mizmo> so our #2 concern with the F14 schedule
19:05:02 <mizmo> is supplemental wallpapers
19:05:20 <mizmo> we need to be both picking out kickass openly-licesned wallpapers (CC-BY or CC-BY-SA are best! no NC or ND)
19:05:30 <mizmo> and recruiting other folks in the Fedora community to submit wallpapers
19:05:37 <mizmo> we've got a script here
19:05:38 <mizmo> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=fedora-wiki.git;a=blob_plain;f=upload.py;hb=bafaab7f5b1c75c21c97ebcec3cceef3ef06129f
19:05:52 <mizmo> you can copy/paste it into a file, call it upload.py, and run it like this, "python upload.py"
19:06:09 <mizmo> put together a CSV file (instructions here: http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=fedora-wiki.git;a=commit;h=bafaab7f5b1c75c21c97ebcec3cceef3ef06129f)
19:06:17 <kylebaker> do you have guidelines for the types of supplemental wallpapers?
19:06:19 <mizmo> and it'll upload multiple photos at one time to the wiki for you, it's a huge time saver
19:06:38 <mizmo> kylebaker, they need to be appropriate for a wallpaper, and they need to be licensed under a fedora-friendly license
19:06:40 <mizmo> kylebaker, let me grab the list
19:06:57 <nicubunu> kylebaker: i think we want a variety of images
19:06:58 <mizmo> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3
19:07:03 <kylebaker> are we only going to use photos as alternatives
19:07:04 <mizmo> #link http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=fedora-wiki.git;a=blob_plain;f=upload.py;hb=bafaab7f5b1c75c21c97ebcec3cceef3ef06129f
19:07:09 <mizmo> #link http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=fedora-wiki.git;a=commit;h=bafaab7f5b1c75c21c97ebcec3cceef3ef06129f
19:07:10 <nicubunu> to please a large audience
19:07:28 <nicubunu> kylebaker: not only photos, anything
19:07:29 <mizmo> kylebaker, yeh they are going to be alternatives. so if you right click the desktop background, and do 'change background' - these are gonna be the wallpapers that show up there
19:07:35 <mizmo> it can be photos or anything really
19:07:48 <kylebaker> oh ok
19:07:48 <kylebaker> ok
19:07:54 <nicubunu> they should look good, be usable and free
19:08:00 <mizmo> if they need to be cropped that's okay. try to pick stuff that's pretty hi-res though, minimum probably 1600x1200
19:08:10 <mizmo> this is the webpage that we have for collecting them
19:08:15 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Submissions
19:08:22 <kylebaker> right
19:08:25 <mizmo> if you want me to upload them for you
19:08:39 <mizmo> just send the following to the design team list (use the topic 'supplemental wallpaper submissions')
19:08:40 <mizmo> Location of file,Name of file,Author,Author email,Description,License,Category
19:09:00 <mizmo> okay
19:09:06 <mizmo> any more questions on the supplemental wallpapers?
19:09:25 <mizmo> any more questions on the F14 artwork schedule?
19:09:33 <Schendje> just one
19:09:37 <Schendje> the alpha wallpaper...
19:09:43 * tatica o/
19:09:45 <Schendje> is that "alpha" as in, alpha version of *that* wallpaper
19:09:54 <mizmo> Schendje, no it's alpha as in it'll be shipped with F14 alpha
19:10:05 <Schendje> ah ok
19:10:07 <mizmo> it's a good chance for us to get exposure with alpha users and get their feedback
19:10:10 <mizmo> sup tatica!
19:10:12 <Schendje> so it needs to be finished already?
19:10:17 <nicubunu> but is also alpha in the sense the final one will be evolved from it
19:10:21 <tatica> getting to the meeting, sry the delay
19:10:26 <Schendje> nicubunu: ah ok
19:10:42 <Schendje> so, finished as possible, just not final yet
19:11:10 <mizmo> Schendje, yeh like nicubunu said it's basically a draft to start with on the way to the final
19:11:16 <Schendje> ok cool
19:11:17 <nicubunu> sure, we may change the graphic completely if the feedback is negative (we did so in the past)
19:11:26 <mizmo> yep hehe (see F12)
19:11:30 <nicubunu> but ideally don't
19:11:36 <mizmo> aiight
19:11:39 <mizmo> so it's trac time
19:11:39 <tatica> yup
19:11:42 <mizmo> #topic Trac time
19:11:57 * tatica has to take some photos to the supplemental wallpapers :D
19:12:03 <mizmo> okay we have two tickets that we've been focusing on; Schendje has been working both! (awesome!)
19:12:05 <mizmo> tatica, great!!
19:12:12 <mizmo> #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/136
19:12:21 <mizmo> background for the fedora twitter account
19:12:22 <Schendje> ah yes, the twitter background
19:12:26 <Schendje> pretty self-explanatory
19:12:32 <mizmo> what's the status on that one? are ya close?
19:12:38 <mizmo> is it going to be used for identi.ca too?
19:12:38 <Schendje> i'm... done i think :)
19:12:43 <Schendje> yess
19:12:45 <Schendje> i posted it on the marketing mailing list
19:12:47 <mizmo> oh okay great the ticket is closed sweet
19:12:49 <mizmo> yay!
19:12:50 <mizmo> okay
19:12:51 <Schendje> they liked it and it got approved
19:12:53 <tatica> yup
19:12:56 <nicubunu> i believe it is in use now
19:12:59 <Schendje> its now in use on both twitter and identi.ca
19:13:02 <msourada> it's nice and simple :)
19:13:04 <mizmo> kickin'
19:13:07 <mizmo> :) great job Schendje
19:13:08 <Schendje> colors were off at first, but it's okay now :)
19:13:14 <nicubunu> good work Schendje !
19:13:15 <mizmo> here's the other ticket
19:13:18 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/55
19:13:21 <mizmo> this is the hackergotchi ribbon one
19:13:31 <mizmo> i think you folks worked out 120px wide on the list recently
19:13:39 <mizmo> so this ticket is still open?
19:13:43 <Schendje> yep
19:13:52 <nicubunu> yup, pierros' call, he amintains now hackergotchis
19:13:57 <nicubunu> maintains
19:14:04 <Schendje> i'll post to the mailing list with some more mock-ups after this meeting
19:14:07 <mizmo> okay cool. do you need any help or advice from us on it Schendje or are you good to go?
19:14:19 <mizmo> aiight, we'll post some feedback to your mocks to the list when you send them?
19:14:28 <Schendje> yep, i'll also post the sources and all
19:14:35 <Schendje> so please, run with it if you want :)
19:14:47 <Schendje> but if these get released
19:14:55 <Schendje> could we also do a call to update other hackergotchis?
19:15:00 <Schendje> the /heads/ page is a mess :(
19:15:23 <mizmo> do we want folks with missing or badly-formatted hackergotchis to get them cleaned up?
19:15:28 <Schendje> so sort of, get some attention for the hackergotchi service etc
19:15:36 <finalzone> hello everyone, sorry for being late
19:15:47 <nicubunu> mizmo: +1
19:15:47 <msourada> hi finalzone :)
19:15:55 <mizmo> hey good to see you finalzone
19:16:01 <mizmo> we're discussing tickets now
19:16:02 <msourada> mizmo: +1 from me as well
19:16:12 <mizmo> so maybe we should make a new ticket for cleaning up hackergotchis
19:16:12 <finalzone> good ^_^
19:16:37 <Schendje> yeah something like that
19:16:40 <mizmo> well
19:16:51 <mizmo> next on the agenda is finding a ticket to work on for the next week
19:17:04 <nicubunu> someone from the team should contact people, tell them their hackergotchis are not ideal
19:17:10 <nicubunu> and offer help
19:17:34 <Schendje> i'll learn to do hackergotchis soon
19:17:40 <mizmo> if we made that a new ticket, would someone want to take it on?
19:17:44 <Schendje> so i wont leave nicu with a mountain of hackergotchi tickets ;)
19:17:45 <nicubunu> that must be 1:1, as we need to get into contact, ask for photos and so on
19:17:47 <finalzone> is there a rule for the size of hackergotchis?
19:18:00 <finalzone> some of them on planet are way too big
19:18:11 <nicubunu> nope, pierros asked for the hackergotchi queue and i gladly passed it to him
19:18:14 <Schendje> yeah, giant charmanders are awesome and all, but they look a bit off :D
19:18:18 <mizmo> the ticket would be (1) to identify hackergotchis with issues (2) file a ticket for each hackergotchi that needs to be made and ask the hackergotchi owner to upload a photo to their ticket
19:18:37 <nicubunu> finalzone: new size is 120x120
19:18:39 <mizmo> does anyone want to volunteer?
19:19:20 <mizmo> ...
19:19:27 <nicubunu> is a daunting task, i didn't do it even when i maintained the queue :(
19:19:41 <mizmo> hmm
19:19:46 <mizmo> what if it was just to identify the problematic ones
19:19:46 <Schendje> hmmm
19:19:52 <mizmo> and post a list to the design team mailing list?
19:19:54 <Schendje> its just that i dont know people :(
19:19:56 * tatica has only one ticket right now :/
19:19:57 <mizmo> make it a smaller task?
19:20:04 <Schendje> yeah that's not a problem
19:20:06 <mizmo> alternatively
19:20:11 <mizmo> there's another way we could approach it
19:20:17 <rbergeron> it's a good way to get to know people :)
19:20:20 <tatica> I can fix hackergotchis
19:20:25 <mizmo> and that's to highlight the best hackergotchis that follow the hackergotchi guidelines (though we don't have any formal ones)
19:20:25 <tatica> is not a hard task
19:20:26 <nicubunu> that's the daunting part, you have to get in touch with many unknown people
19:20:26 <Schendje> rbergeron: haha yep true :D
19:20:26 <mizmo> do a blog post
19:20:38 <mizmo> and advertise the hackergotchi queue and have those folks self-service their hackergotchis
19:20:39 <mizmo> THEN
19:20:58 <mizmo> we could also email the folks with hackergotchi issues and send them a link to the blog post :)
19:21:23 <Schendje> yeah that sounds good to me :)
19:21:42 <mizmo> aiight so let me break this down
19:21:53 <mizmo> ticket #1 - identify problematic hackergotchis
19:22:09 <mizmo> ticket #2 - identify really good hackergotchis, write a blog post about why they are good, and advertise the hackegotchi queue
19:22:24 <mizmo> ticket #3 - email the folks with problematic hackergotchis and point them to the blog post from ticket #2
19:22:27 <mizmo> so!
19:22:46 <mizmo> does anyone want to take on either ticket #1 or ticket #2 to report back on next week? (doesn't have to be totally done by next week, just some progress!)
19:23:04 <Schendje> i'll do that
19:23:14 <Schendje> before that though...
19:23:19 <Schendje> i want to have the labels finished
19:23:31 <mizmo> yeh i think Schendje is doing a lot here :) can someone else volunteer?
19:23:36 <nicubunu> i can explain why some are good, but don't want to select which one are good, since many are made by me
19:24:01 <mizmo> nicubunu, if i pick a few good ones would you feel more comfortable using them? (you can say i picked them)
19:24:07 <mizmo> i dont even know which ones you did and didn't do
19:24:20 <nicubunu> mizmo: ok
19:24:24 <t2hot> .fas t2hot
19:24:24 <zodbot> t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@fastmail.fm>
19:24:35 <mizmo> nicubunu, cool so i'll give you ticket #2 and ill send you the list of good ones to use
19:24:38 <nicubunu> anyway, the most important part is to start from a good photo
19:25:05 <mizmo> yep! maybe you can write some tips on what photos work best
19:25:12 <mizmo> so folks don't open up tickets with hard to use photos
19:25:15 <mizmo> okay cool
19:25:20 <Schendje> wait, one question
19:25:30 <mizmo> so i'll create those three tickets, and assign the #2 to nicubunu
19:25:32 <mizmo> sure whats up Schendje
19:25:34 <Schendje> so i'll be making that template for the hackergotchi banners
19:25:46 <Schendje> and we want it so people can open it up, change the color and the text, etc
19:25:47 <mizmo> we'll check back in next week on where we stand with the hackergotchi tickets
19:25:49 <Schendje> in a very very easy way
19:25:53 <mizmo> yeh absolutely
19:25:59 <Schendje> when im finished
19:26:06 <Schendje> should i do a blog post or put it on the wiki?
19:26:16 <Schendje> (a tutorial, i mean)
19:26:23 <mizmo> Schendje, that would be *awesome*
19:26:38 <mizmo> Schendje, i think putting it on the wiki, then doing a blog post to point it out is a good approach,
19:26:42 <mizmo> the wiki is more permanent / more findable i think
19:27:01 <mizmo> aiight cool
19:27:01 <Schendje> okay, that's all! :)
19:27:05 <mizmo> any other ticket topics?
19:27:07 <inkscaper> Schendje +1
19:27:08 <mizmo> or shall we move on!
19:27:24 <mizmo> .....
19:27:27 <mizmo> aiight we're moving on!
19:27:33 <mizmo> #topic Design Team Bi-Weekly Bounty
19:27:40 <mizmo> so congrats to Schendje for being our first bi weekly bounty ninja :)
19:27:49 * Schendje makes ninja sounds
19:27:53 <mizmo> although its not quite bi-weekly since i was too caught up in a conference last week to do another one lol
19:27:54 <finalzone> grats
19:27:55 <tatica> lol
19:28:07 <msourada> congrats
19:28:13 * nicubunu wonders if now we search for a pirate
19:28:15 <mizmo> i did a post to show off Schendje's work http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/first-fedora-design-ninja-identified/
19:28:15 <inkscaper> :)
19:28:30 <mizmo> i think for each one, we should do the call for help, then a 'show off' post to show what the ninja (or pirate) did
19:28:30 <Schendje> yeah, tri-weekly, whatever :D
19:28:40 <mizmo> does anyone have any ideas for the next bounty?
19:29:01 * rbergeron notes that marketing + other teams have been looking for a very nice OO impress template for fedora people to utilize.
19:29:05 <mizmo> rbergeron had posted a slide presentation that could be re-used at events, maybe dolling that up could be a good next one
19:29:11 <mizmo> lol great minds think alike :)
19:29:16 <rbergeron> mizmo + rbergeron = WIN
19:29:30 <mizmo> does anybody have any issues with that being the next bounty?
19:29:37 <mizmo> ....
19:29:40 <finalzone> nope
19:29:43 <rbergeron> so - the slide presentation that I did was something that got rolled on a wall with lots of other presentations - just to have something showing while people walked around
19:29:48 <mizmo> yeh
19:29:49 * nicubunu could have used himself such a template if it existed
19:29:50 <rbergeron> wasn't necessarily a template, per se
19:29:55 <mizmo> i have one from fudcon berlin that i think wonderer_ put together
19:30:08 <mizmo> i think both have content that could be used as general 'show off fedora' slides,
19:30:16 <mizmo> but placed within a standard template
19:30:21 <rbergeron> but something with the appropriate look + feel, maybe some of the 4 foundations icons, etc. so that people can use
19:30:29 <mizmo> or maybe the two should be separate projects
19:30:33 <rbergeron> and INSTRUCTIONS TO PLEASE GOD USE THE MGOPENMODATAFONTS
19:30:39 <mizmo> lol
19:30:47 <mizmo> for the love of all that is holy, yum install mgopen-modata!
19:31:06 <mizmo> how about this
19:31:06 <nicubunu> that if we don't move to another font...
19:31:07 <rbergeron> mizmo: i think having the two somewhat separate would be sweet. marketing could help out a bit with the content for a springboard generic slide set
19:31:16 <mizmo> let's keep it simple then
19:31:24 <mizmo> we'll start our next ninja/pirate on doing just the basic template
19:31:24 * rbergeron just throwing ideas out
19:31:44 * rbergeron nods - that's the first step either way :0
19:31:48 <mizmo> and if they are hungry for more, then we can suggest they put together some general reusable blingy slides too
19:31:50 <rbergeron> err, :)
19:31:55 <nicubunu> the basic template is useful for a larger audience
19:31:56 <mizmo> sound good!!!
19:32:02 <rbergeron> indeed.
19:32:05 <msourada> nicubunu, I'm thinking along the lines: wouldn't it be better to fix mgopen-modata than finding another one?
19:32:14 <mizmo> nicubunu, yeh the font is another thing to discuss, the discussion on the list kind of died out
19:32:20 * rbergeron can fill up this bi-weekly bounty for the rest of the year with things from marketing ;D
19:32:31 <mizmo> just to note, then, if anybody has any other biweekly bounty ideas, at any time, please just send a note to the list
19:32:40 <nicubunu> msourada: does any of us know even the basic things about font hinting?
19:32:53 <mizmo> it'll be good to have some in our back pocket
19:32:59 <mizmo> now on fonts -
19:33:02 <mizmo> #topic fedora official font
19:33:11 <finalzone> ah that topic
19:33:16 <mizmo> msourada, nicubunu i think finding another font with suitable glyphs is the easiest way hehe
19:33:16 * ianweller peeks in
19:33:23 <nicubunu> i remember my troubles trying to fix the same problem with liberation
19:33:41 <mizmo> i could try to get red hat to hire someone to fix mgopen modata but it would likely be difficult and take a long time
19:33:43 <nicubunu> and even the maintainer (kaio) didn't know to use hinting
19:33:47 <mizmo> i think its simplest to find something else
19:33:49 <finalzone> FreeSans fonts is way better
19:33:58 <finalzone> that Liberatio n
19:34:03 <mizmo> finalzone, freesans is a bit messed up though
19:34:03 <msourada> nicubunu, I think noone, but since it's basically problem of adding accents to already existing glyphs it could be a good way to start learning these things. Font design is design as well...
19:34:06 <mizmo> i think its packaged incorrectly
19:34:19 <mizmo> the font itself is okay, but when i install it it kind of messes up fonts on my machine
19:34:32 <mizmo> msourada, i dont know if anyone has interest/time right now though :(
19:35:11 <mizmo> i think we had two font suggestions on the table
19:35:21 <msourada> mizmo, I basically have interest but don't have time... font design isn't exactly easy thing...
19:35:41 <mizmo> i think quicksand was one
19:36:01 <finalzone> and Droid
19:36:15 <msourada> mizmo, previews for the suggestions available anywhere?
19:36:22 <mizmo> oh yeh
19:36:28 <mizmo> is droid problematic for glyphs?
19:36:37 <mizmo> this is quicksand msourada http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Quicksand
19:36:40 <mizmo> i think it really jives with our brand
19:37:11 <msourada> I think desktop people people believe droid have good coverage, I personally don't like it much though... (condensed look isn't "my thing")
19:37:23 <mizmo> i think droid is a great on-screen font
19:37:26 <mizmo> im not sure about for print though
19:37:34 <mizmo> the fedora font should definitely be good in print
19:37:41 <kylebaker> I have a hard time with the Q
19:38:01 <mizmo> quicksand bold actually looks very similar to modata too
19:38:07 <inkscaper> droid +1
19:38:11 <mizmo> kylebaker, do note it's meant to be for headlines, not really body text
19:38:21 <kylebaker> can we have an alternative font for print
19:38:21 <mizmo> we could say, quicksand (or something else) for headlines, droid for body text
19:38:22 <msourada> mizmo, I also think droid would not be good for print
19:38:30 <mizmo> one advantage of droid is that it's actively maintained
19:38:50 <kylebaker> +1 Droid
19:38:59 <mizmo> kylebaker, for headlines or body? (or both?)
19:39:01 <msourada> +1 to quicksand bold
19:39:11 <inkscaper> I used droid for russian translate
19:39:13 <tw2113> mmmm droid
19:39:17 <tw2113> *drools*
19:39:21 <mizmo> msourada, for headlines?
19:39:24 <kylebaker> mizmo, any screen
19:39:35 * rbergeron likes quicksand bold as well - although it'd be nice to see a sample of how things all look next to each other, in combo with fedora logo, etc. maybe?
19:39:46 <mizmo> kylebaker, we need something for headlines on screen + print, and something for body for screen + print
19:39:59 <msourada> mizmo, yeah, for headlines
19:39:59 <mizmo> rbergeron, yeh totally
19:40:15 <mizmo> oh one thing on quicksand is, he has a permissive license but it's not free as in freedom so i need to get in touch with him on relicensing
19:40:28 <inkscaper> quicksand bold looks good
19:40:30 <kylebaker> I dont think there is enough contrast of style for the droid and quicksand combo
19:40:30 <mizmo> also quicksand and droid are both kind of off-the-cuff suggestions
19:40:31 <finalzone> there is also Comfortaa fonts but the license seems to be incompatible with fedora
19:40:44 <mizmo> finalzone, what's the license on it? do you have a sample link?
19:40:57 <rbergeron> i like quicksand, although the sample looks like - in the word the letters are spaced far apart, although that may just be some sort of setting
19:41:01 <finalzone> http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Comfortaa
19:41:03 * rbergeron is not a designer and doesn't know anything so :)
19:41:06 <mizmo> if something is under a free as in beer license, usually if you send a nice email to the creator explaining fedora & freedom etc, they are very willing to reconsider their license
19:41:26 <finalzone> mizmo: issue is CC no derivative
19:41:31 <mizmo> finalzone, oh that might be workable though
19:41:37 <mizmo> we could talk to him on it
19:41:49 <Schendje> i assume comfortaa will be used for headers then?
19:41:57 <msourada> maybe we should do a more through inspection of the fonts world before choosing one? Perhaps having some guidelines as to the general "feel" and target usage (print, onscreen, ...?) of the font would help
19:42:06 <Schendje> or *could* be, sorry
19:42:12 <mizmo> yeh absolutely
19:42:14 <mizmo> how about this
19:42:28 <mizmo> can folks each sniff around for free-ish licensed fonts
19:42:30 <mizmo> over the next week
19:42:41 <mizmo> and we'll share what we found either on-list or at next week's meeting?
19:42:48 <ianweller> mizmo: would you like to send a separate email to the list asking for that too? i can blog about it as well
19:42:48 <finalzone> mizmo: works for me
19:43:00 <mizmo> what would be ideal is if for whatever fonts you find, to throw together a quick comp with the logo like rbergeron suggested
19:43:01 <msourada> plus, AFAIK, we don't have any suggested fonts for CJK glyphs...
19:43:04 <mizmo> yeh
19:43:10 <kylebaker> I think we are going to have a hard time looking for an open sourced font that meets all of our requirements
19:43:14 <mizmo> although i think maybe one of the baemuk fonts might work
19:43:18 <ianweller> mizmo: selecting a new font is a blocker for the brand guidelines btw ;)
19:43:26 <ianweller> so hopefully that doesn't take more than a month
19:43:28 <mizmo> kylebaker, we dont have a choice though under no circumstances can we use a closed font
19:43:35 <mizmo> yeh
19:43:39 <mizmo> let's do research over this week
19:43:39 <kylebaker> of course
19:43:41 <mizmo> and what i'll do
19:43:47 <mizmo> is i'll email the quicksand and comfortaa authors
19:43:52 <kylebaker> we may have to use omre than one
19:43:53 <mizmo> and see if they are amenable to a fedora-compatible license
19:43:54 <kylebaker> more
19:44:22 <mizmo> kylebaker, yeh although - since we have a lot of nondesigner folks using them, we run the risk of them being too hard to use if there are too many :(
19:44:26 <mizmo> that is why droid is a good option.... i think
19:44:33 <mizmo> it gives us a lot all in one font
19:44:37 <mizmo> aiight
19:44:40 <mizmo> any more comments on fonts?
19:44:42 <kylebaker> right
19:44:47 <rbergeron> is there a link to the droid font?
19:44:49 <msourada> Hrm, we *should* probably use more than one -- mostly depending on the target usage (print or onscreen)
19:44:51 <mizmo> i want to get to rbergeron before she turns into a marketing meeting pumpkin
19:44:52 <rbergeron> i didn't catch it
19:44:58 * rbergeron grins
19:44:59 <mizmo> lemme see
19:45:11 <mizmo> this is droid snas
19:45:12 <mizmo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DroidSansSpecimen.svg
19:45:16 <mizmo> we could use droid serif for print
19:45:25 <mizmo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Font-Sample-Droid-Serif_plainsvg.svg
19:45:29 <Schendje> http://www.droidfonts.com/ is the website for droid
19:45:36 <mizmo> aiight
19:45:43 <finalzone> another font similar to MgOpen Modata: Arista 2.0
19:45:54 <mizmo> cool noted finalzone!
19:46:02 <msourada> mizmo, yeah, droid serif could probably work for print
19:46:07 <mizmo> aiight ill send out an email reminder about gathering fonts and start a thread for folks to post font suggestions on the design team list
19:46:08 * rbergeron wonders how much Droid is used by... those projects
19:46:34 <mizmo> aiight
19:46:42 <mizmo> time for rbergeron to talk about marketing our team :)
19:46:47 <mizmo> #topic marketing the design team
19:46:51 <mizmo> floor is yours rbergeron :)
19:46:56 <rbergeron> okay!
19:47:02 <rbergeron> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-June/002659.html
19:47:10 <rbergeron> So - some of you may have read this email -
19:47:32 <rbergeron> basically marketing is looking to be more pro-active content-wise - rather than having a glut of content at the end of each release.
19:48:00 <mizmo> one thing that might be helpful rbergeron (im not sure)
19:48:00 <rbergeron> we'd like to do some highlighting of more "project" type stuff rather than "product" type stuff - ie, marketing the project, rather than just the distro itself.
19:48:08 <mizmo> i recently was interviewed by the frostbite media podcast on the design team
19:48:16 <rbergeron> mizmo: yeah, i got a mail from quaid on that.
19:48:25 <mizmo> it might be an interesting thing to promote
19:48:37 <mizmo> they were pretty impressed we use fedora itself to produce the artwork in fedora
19:48:38 <rbergeron> i haven't had a chance to look at it yet but it's on my plate for marketing meeting stuff to discuss.
19:48:49 <mizmo> i think marketing the project is a great idea
19:49:05 <mizmo> the way we do things openly & transparently has attracted a lot of folks to our project
19:49:17 <mizmo> but we don't tell that story so much online, more in-person at conferences
19:49:25 * rbergeron agrees
19:49:43 <Schendje> on that note...
19:49:56 <Schendje> if it wasnt for the design bounty i probably wouldve had a hard time joining
19:50:03 <rbergeron> in any case - we'd like to do some highlighting of the stuff design has been doing - from the design suite, to how you guys work - both with tools and as far as scheduled items go.
19:50:06 <Schendje> without the help from mchua i'd have been lost :P
19:50:10 <Schendje> if you look at the wiki
19:50:14 <Schendje> on how to join the design team
19:50:20 <mizmo> its terrible :)
19:50:26 <rbergeron> I was thinking of doing an interview series - either with some individuals who want to do stuff one-on-one with some marketing team people
19:50:26 <Schendje> it's a lot of bullet points asking you to make accounts and sign stuff
19:50:27 <mizmo> our wiki is so bad
19:50:38 <Schendje> however, that podcast, or even kyle's (awesome) blog post http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/kybaker/2010/05/21/creative-open-sorcery/
19:50:44 <Schendje> are a much better introduction imho
19:50:44 * rbergeron agrees that join in general needs a bit of user-friendly overhaul
19:50:49 <mizmo> kylebaker, ^^
19:50:51 <Schendje> yeah
19:51:06 <mizmo> Schendje, would you be willing to be interviewed on how you got started?
19:51:06 <rbergeron> anyway - it's also been brought up that we could do like one huge irc-type meeting, as well.
19:51:09 <mizmo> that might be a good piece
19:51:12 <Schendje> oh yeah sure :)
19:51:14 <rbergeron> It would.
19:51:29 <mizmo> i think it would be cool if nicubunu could talk about his openclipart submissions too
19:51:46 <mizmo> i think most if not all of us contribute to other open / free culture projects like ocal
19:51:47 <rbergeron> mizmo: should i file some marketing tickets and send them your way - maybe individual tickets for each interview thing we think up (and feel free to submit ideas as well, folks) -
19:51:55 <nicubunu> lately i wasn't very active on OCAL
19:52:03 <mizmo> nicubunu, arent you one of the top submitters though!
19:52:07 <rbergeron> and then maybe you can help find people in design meeting to do be interviewed, and i can find interviewers?
19:52:25 <mizmo> nicubunu, i think it would make a nice story, to talk about how you got involved, and even talk about ocal as a resource. a lot of people are completely unaware of ocal and what public domain even means for them
19:52:36 <mizmo> rbergeron, that sounds really reasonable
19:52:43 <rbergeron> okee dokee. :)
19:52:58 <nicubunu> ok... for me OCAL was an ideal place to learn how to draw
19:53:06 <rbergeron> that's all i have - i'd encourage everyone to read that mail and any ideas you have - please send - and i'll take the ideas from meeting minutes from this meeting and add them to marketing's plate. :)
19:53:23 <mizmo> tatica, would you be willing to be interviewed on your work for fisol?
19:53:31 <tatica> sure :D
19:53:38 * rbergeron has to run and deal with her kiddos before next meeting - they (i swear) have a timer for going bonkers on tuesdays at this exact time
19:53:51 <mizmo> rbergeron, kk sweet thanks for running this project its a great idea
19:54:31 <mizmo> does anyone else have any ideas for interviews or tool highlights or any kind of feature Fedora marketing could do on our team?
19:54:54 <mizmo> msourada, nicubunu do you think maybe you guys & pierros could do a joint interview on your LGM preso this year?
19:55:02 <nicubunu> tatica's gimp podcasts
19:55:12 <tatica> o_O
19:55:15 <mizmo> a lot of people aren't aware of LGM it would be good to give background on it
19:55:20 <mizmo> tatica, !!! yes! you should link to them!
19:55:47 <mizmo> finalzone, maybe you could talk about your struggles using inkscape instead of illustrator at your university when you were doing your design program?
19:55:47 <nicubunu> mizmo: you know tatica's podcasts are used as learning material in high schools?
19:55:51 <msourada> mimzo, yup, I think we can
19:56:04 <mizmo> yeh i heard! tatica is teaching high schoolers!!! it's so awesome
19:56:06 <finalzone> mizmo: sure
19:56:24 <mizmo> does anybody else have any ideas!!
19:56:32 <mizmo> if not, we'll go to....
19:56:36 <mizmo> #topic open floor
19:56:40 <mizmo> yes 4 whole minutes! lol
19:57:00 <mizmo> ianweller, when i send out the fedora font search email, are you gonna blog it?
19:57:06 <mizmo> it would be good to cast a wide net i think
19:57:49 <mizmo> any other topics or any questions or concerns at all!
19:58:05 <finalzone> small note from my part
19:58:18 <mizmo> whats up finalzone
19:58:29 <finalzone> I am currently involved with Fedora-fr for their Magazine called Muffin
19:58:51 <finalzone> they expect to launch around july 1st
19:58:57 <mizmo> ooooh
19:59:02 <mizmo> that sounds awesome!
19:59:15 <mizmo> do you have any links for it? are there mockups or anything?
19:59:18 <Schendje> http://mag.fedora-fr.org/wiki/Accueil
19:59:44 <finalzone> a preview is available on luya.fedorapeople.org/muffin
19:59:44 <mizmo> yay mgopen modata :)
20:00:01 <mizmo> yay scribus!
20:00:03 * mizmo opens up pdf
20:00:17 <finalzone> because of lack of accent of mgopen, Comfortaa is used for headline
20:00:57 <finalzone> it is their second time, I helped them for layout
20:01:29 <finalzone> next issue will address some problem like excessive use of paragraphes characters
20:01:33 <mizmo> finalzone, wow this looks really amazing
20:01:44 <mizmo> finalzone, oh wow i couldnt even tell it wasn't modata, comfortaa is so close
20:01:59 <finalzone> mizmo: thank you ^_^
20:02:01 <mizmo> wowowowowow this looks sooooo good
20:02:10 <Schendje> mizmo, haha yeah i thought it was modata too
20:02:17 <mizmo> pages 2-3, very very slick layout
20:02:30 <mizmo> finalzone, and you used scribus for all this?
20:02:34 <finalzone> yup
20:02:52 <mizmo> wow
20:02:54 <mizmo> this is amazing
20:03:13 <finalzone> thankfully, InDesign skilled really helped
20:03:16 <mizmo> maybe finalzone, your interview could be on putting this together, and as part of the interview you can highlight scribus as a tool
20:03:23 <finalzone> sure
20:03:30 <mizmo> i never really used indesign but i had experience in quark and it was transferrable to scribus too
20:03:40 <mizmo> thanks for pointing that out finalzone.... wow
20:03:44 <mizmo> finalzone++
20:03:49 <mizmo> amazing work
20:03:53 <mizmo> okay peeps we done here!
20:03:57 <mizmo> #endmeeting