15:03:18 <poelcat> #startmeeting F12Beta Blocker Meeting
15:03:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Sep 18 15:03:18 2009 UTC.  The chair is poelcat. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:03:24 <poelcat> adamw: hi
15:04:31 <adamw> anyone else here?
15:04:37 <adamw> oxf13: pong
15:04:39 <adamw> er, ping
15:04:45 <adamw> hmm, nope.
15:04:45 * poelcat wondering the same thing
15:04:55 <poelcat> maybe notting too
15:06:14 <adamw> oh well, i guess we can get started
15:06:56 <poelcat> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498591
15:06:57 <buggbot> Bug 498591: medium, low, ---, dlehman, MODIFIED, Cannot specify mount point for hard disk partition containing the ISO install image
15:07:37 <adamw> i think this was a jlaska
15:07:58 <adamw> who isn't here atm
15:08:40 <adamw> i know squat about it
15:08:46 <poelcat> #action 498591 still needs retesting
15:09:26 <poelcat> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515450
15:09:27 <buggbot> Bug 515450: medium, medium, ---, rvykydal, MODIFIED, Stage1: cannot back to last step .
15:09:32 <mcepl> me, if I can be of any help
15:09:50 <poelcat> mcepl: do you know if the issue is confirmed fixed?
15:10:18 <adamw> looks like the same story :/
15:10:24 <mcepl> which one?
15:10:26 <adamw> i think mpcel just meant he was here for the meeting, not this particular bug
15:10:33 <poelcat> oh, okay :)
15:10:51 <mcepl> yes, please, I have no clue about mount bugs, aside from those which hit me ;)
15:11:01 <mcepl> (which are quite a few unfortunately)
15:11:18 <adamw> so yeah, still needs re-testing i guess
15:11:43 <poelcat> #action 515450 still needs retesting
15:12:17 <adamw> oh yay, here's notting.
15:12:56 * poelcat is liking the explicit comment trail from last week
15:13:06 <poelcat> makes it clear where we've been and what we need next
15:13:16 <poelcat> granted it is my own work ;-)
15:13:24 <adamw> =)
15:13:48 <poelcat> denise: notting if you have any info on 498591 or 515450 please add to the bug
15:14:05 <poelcat> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516042
15:14:06 <buggbot> Bug 516042: medium, low, ---, rvykydal, MODIFIED, Unable to add NFS yum repo during installation
15:14:08 <denise> poelcat, i looked thru list yesterday
15:14:19 <denise> most need retest
15:15:09 <poelcat> okay, same with 516042?
15:15:30 <adamw> looks like it
15:15:40 <denise> yes
15:16:53 <poelcat> #action 516042 needs to be retested
15:17:02 <poelcat> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517260
15:17:03 <buggbot> Bug 517260: medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, ASSIGNED, liveinst fails at partitioning screen
15:17:37 <denise> AFAICT, that one was fixed - but needs retest
15:17:48 <denise> bz comments are not clear
15:19:17 <poelcat> set to needinfo?
15:19:24 <denise> needs retest
15:20:03 <poelcat> #action 517260 needs to be retested
15:20:15 <poelcat> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518194
15:20:16 <buggbot> Bug 518194: medium, medium, ---, rvykydal, MODIFIED, askmethod boot option allows installation from HDD only
15:20:38 <adamw> 517260 state needs to be changed in bz, then, there's no indication it's been fixed
15:21:14 <adamw> 518194 looks fixed from comment #16, i vote we close it
15:21:32 <denise> 517260 had been in mod, someone decided it wasnt and changed it
15:22:51 <poelcat> anyone opposed to closing 518194?
15:24:28 <poelcat> #action closing 518194
15:24:41 <poelcat> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518226
15:24:42 <buggbot> Bug 518226: medium, low, ---, kernel-maint, NEW, INFO: possible circular locking dependency detected - 2.6.31-
15:26:15 <adamw> i haven't heard from any maintainers on this...has anyone?
15:28:32 <poelcat> adamw: summon someone from #fedora-devel?
15:28:40 <adamw> #fedora-kernel more likely
15:29:17 <adamw> i'm asking
15:29:27 <notting> if it's not causing visible effects, I don't think it's a beta blockr
15:30:49 <adamw> we agree, but the problem was we don't really know what the impact is
15:31:47 <adamw> no reply in -kernel :/ guess we can't do much. well, we can ask for more detail about the exact impact
15:32:43 <poelcat> #action 518226 ask for empact in bug again
15:32:54 <poelcat> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519237
15:32:55 <buggbot> Bug 519237: medium, low, ---, cdahlin, NEW, -bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device
15:34:01 <adamw> no feedback from maintainer...
15:34:23 <adamw> i'm not sure whether this falls into the blocker category, really, but jlaska nominated it
15:34:40 <adamw> cdahlin isn't online by the looks of it
15:35:40 * poelcat summoned him in #fedora-devel
15:36:45 <adamw> oh right he's another inconveniently wrongly-nicknamed person
15:36:48 * adamw shakes fist at universe
15:37:31 <plautrba> hi, i've looked on that bug
15:37:58 <poelcat> plautrba: talk to us! :)
15:38:10 <plautrba> at first with pure fedora alpha 12 I, wanst enable to reproduce it but then after kernel update I was
15:38:25 <plautrba> I think it might be something with cleaning tty layer in kernel
15:39:21 <plautrba> it seems (only for me) to be same problem as #514022
15:39:36 <sadmac2> I'm not so great with serial, but atm I'd say upstart isn't quite the right place for this
15:40:45 <sadmac2> also I don't think I caught the notification about this blocking beta
15:40:52 <poelcat> sadmac2: any ideas or someone that can tell us what the right place is?
15:41:15 <adamw> sadmac2: unfortunately there isn't really an explicit notification as it's just a keyword, not easy to give a more prominent notification given the workflow
15:41:34 <adamw> would you agree on the kernel as the component?
15:41:53 <sadmac2> adamw: from what plautrba just said that'd be a good place to start it I think
15:41:57 <plautrba> poelcat: maybe agetty as part of util-linux-ng or kernel
15:42:23 <poelcat> sadmac2: you should have been an email notification unless your prefs are set differently than mine
15:43:07 <sadmac2> poelcat: either I missed it or it got stuck in the tubes
15:43:25 <poelcat> okay... so move bug to component = Kernel?
15:43:35 <sadmac2> yes
15:44:04 <adamw> i'm not entirely convinced it's a blocker, anyway...losing job control isn't the end of the world, is it?
15:44:19 <adamw> did jlaska expand on why he nominated it as a blocker last week? i forget
15:44:27 <sadmac2> if the serial console is the primary console upstart might mess with it a bit, but other than that the only place upstart touches a serial console is indirectly via agetty.
15:45:47 <adamw> comment #1 seems to indicate that may be the case here
15:45:55 <adamw> "The common factor I believe is systems without a local console ... that are
15:45:55 <adamw> accessed only by a serial console"
15:46:21 <poelcat> #action move 519237 to kernel component... hope for a response
15:47:14 <adamw> i think we should also ask jlaska to clarify why it's a blocker
15:47:40 <poelcat> #action request jlaska to clarify why he believes it is a blocker
15:47:52 <poelcat> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520207
15:47:52 <buggbot> Bug 520207: high, low, ---, dcantrell, NEW, Filesystem label does not match kernel command line parameter
15:48:07 <denise> livecd - David hasnt had time to look
15:48:18 <denise> i think Warren was looking
15:49:04 <adamw> i think i saw a fix for it go through on the rawhide change mail yesterday
15:49:07 <adamw> let me check
15:50:49 <adamw> yeah
15:50:49 <adamw> - Fix LiveUSB with live images
15:50:53 <adamw> livecd-tools-028-1.fc12
15:51:11 <adamw> so we should set to MODIFIED and re-test that one
15:52:09 <poelcat> #action set 520207 to MODIFIED and retest
15:52:18 <poelcat> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523359
15:52:19 <buggbot> Bug 523359: urgent, low, ---, kernel-maint, NEW, f12 2009-09-14 rawhide can not detect mouse and keyboard
15:53:07 <notting> well, that's a problem.
15:53:31 <adamw> i saw another report of that one too
15:53:34 <adamw> from the intel test day
15:53:46 <adamw> i'm not convinced it's affecting _all_ hardware, though, as i'd have expected to see even more reports
15:54:03 <adamw> #522675 is the other report
15:55:06 <poelcat> what is the next step?
15:55:53 <adamw> i've closed it as a dupe of 522675 and asked for hardware info
15:56:43 <adamw> it might be good for anyone with x86-64 hardware to test a recent nightly live cd and see if it works
15:57:39 <poelcat> #action 523359 set to closed:duplicate
15:58:07 <poelcat> #topic Continue Meeting?
15:58:15 <poelcat> do people have time to
15:58:21 <poelcat> continue with the F12Blocker?
15:58:28 <poelcat> i'm good for another hour or so
15:58:38 <adamw> i had a thought for doing it at turbo-speed
15:58:58 <adamw> just post the bugs every five seconds or so, on the assumption they SHOULDN'T be promoted
15:59:15 <poelcat> promoted = ?
15:59:25 <adamw> if anyone sees one that they think we should have a quick look into, yell stop! or whatever
15:59:25 <adamw> to f12beta
16:00:04 <adamw> the point of going through f12blocker bugs at this time isn't to evaluate each one, but just to see if there's any we should bump up to the beta blocker list
16:00:32 <poelcat> i thought we also wanted to get a jump on reviewing them too
16:00:43 <poelcat> so there isn't a huge mountain a month from now
16:00:49 <poelcat> keep things pruned
16:00:51 <adamw> oh. well, i dunno - that wasn't how we did it for the alpha, but...
16:01:10 <adamw> i mean, i can see the advantage, but otoh it'd take a long time :/ i think more than an hour, and i don't really have that much spare time today...
16:01:11 <poelcat> what do people want to do?
16:01:24 <adamw> i vote for my idea ;)
16:02:07 <poelcat> adamw: okay... do you want to be the "5 second paster?"
16:03:26 <adamw> i should've seen that one coming
16:03:29 <adamw> just a sec
16:03:40 <poelcat> :)
16:04:05 <adamw> ok, let's go! as i said, i'll post a bug, wait a few seconds, then post the next
16:04:16 <adamw> if you think any particular bug merits a quick look to see if we should promote it, shout
16:04:32 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=481068
16:04:34 <buggbot> Bug 481068: medium, low, ---, psatpute, ASSIGNED, bitmap-fonts needs updating to revised packaging guidelines
16:04:56 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493058
16:04:57 <buggbot> Bug 493058: high, low, ---, jgranado, MODIFIED, Custom partitioning creation/edit causes traceback
16:05:31 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493472
16:05:32 <buggbot> Bug 493472: medium, low, ---, krh, NEW, [945GM] KMS: LVDS wrongly detected as connected, DVI monitor resolution incorrectly set
16:06:01 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498156
16:06:02 <buggbot> Bug 498156: urgent, low, ---, sahartsu, ASSIGNED, gadmin-squid does not generate valid squid.conf
16:06:18 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501769
16:06:19 <buggbot> Bug 501769: medium, low, ---, jkysela, NEW, intel hda: snd_pcm_avail/snd_pcm_delay overflows
16:06:29 <notting> that's not even a f12 blocker (498156)
16:06:38 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503149
16:06:39 <buggbot> Bug 503149: medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, NEW, Add features to Anaconda to aid installation on Apple computers
16:06:43 <notting> unless they want the package taken out and shot
16:06:47 <adamw> =)
16:07:06 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506075
16:07:07 <buggbot> Bug 506075: medium, low, ---, jkysela, ASSIGNED, snd_intel8x0: snd_pcm_avail()/ snd_pcm_delay() overflow
16:07:16 <adamw> (no, that's not a dupe)
16:07:32 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=509733
16:07:33 <buggbot> Bug 509733: medium, low, ---, davidz, NEW, Process /usr/libexec/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor received signal 11
16:08:13 <poelcat> why is 481068 even a blocker?
16:08:38 <adamw> don't know, but we're not going through that right now...
16:08:53 <adamw> 509733 looks a bit icky, but...not quite f12beta i guess
16:09:09 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510127
16:09:11 <buggbot> Bug 510127: medium, low, ---, mmaslano, ASSIGNED, perl taint bug
16:09:19 * poelcat was just thinking if we see obvious ones it would save time to drop now, but continue :)
16:09:46 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510249
16:09:47 <buggbot> Bug 510249: medium, low, ---, mclasen, ASSIGNED, Missing panel applets on gnome login; "Glib-GObject-CRITICAL" messages....
16:10:38 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510950
16:10:39 <buggbot> Bug 510950: medium, low, ---, rstrode, ASSIGNED, SELinux is preventing thunderbird-bin from changing a writable memory segment executable.
16:10:57 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=512845
16:10:58 <buggbot> Bug 512845: high, high, ---, stransky, ASSIGNED, setroubleshoot:      SELinux is preventing firefox from changing a writable memory segment executable.
16:11:09 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=512944
16:11:10 <buggbot> Bug 512944: high, low, ---, jmccann, NEW, fast-user-switching locks up login screen
16:11:26 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=513864
16:11:27 <buggbot> Bug 513864: medium, low, ---, gecko-bugs-nobody, NEW, Firefox crashes
16:12:03 <notting> 513864 may be beta blocker depending on situation
16:12:28 <notting> (similarly, there was the fun around alpha with 512845
16:12:31 <adamw> it's a specific (and not particularly common) operation on a particular page, and i don't see anyone else piling in on the report, so my instinct is no, but...
16:12:45 <notting> ah, ok
16:12:45 <adamw> yeah, 512845 is fixed as far as i can tell, it's just open because of one inconvenient reporter
16:12:51 <adamw> but i haven't seen that bug for weeks
16:12:52 <notting> just going by summary.
16:13:23 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514084
16:13:24 <buggbot> Bug 514084: medium, low, ---, jmccann, ASSIGNED, Needs to dump state database before doing callouts/sending dbus signals.
16:13:54 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514415
16:13:55 <buggbot> Bug 514415: medium, low, ---, davidz, NEW, X server locks up every time notification is about to be displayed
16:14:33 <adamw> sounds dramatic, but he means a _temporary_ pause, not a full hang of the system :)
16:14:49 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514569
16:14:50 <buggbot> Bug 514569: low, low, ---, besfahbo, MODIFIED, gnome-terminal will not run
16:15:42 <adamw> looks fixed
16:15:43 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515441
16:15:44 <buggbot> Bug 515441: high, low, ---, rvykydal, NEW, Can't select local CD/DVD after provide a wrong NFS location during install of F12 alpha
16:16:22 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517642
16:16:23 <buggbot> Bug 517642: medium, low, ---, bnocera, NEW, rhythmbox crashes when started with connected ipod (assertion failed: g_utf8_validate )
16:16:41 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517789
16:16:42 <buggbot> Bug 517789: medium, low, ---, nicolas.mailhot, ASSIGNED, Droid Sans overrides default Japanese desktop font
16:17:58 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517879
16:17:59 <buggbot> Bug 517879: high, low, ---, gecko-bugs-nobody, NEW, Java applet kills firefox
16:18:47 <adamw> looks like another one-awkward-person bug, not a general one
16:18:49 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518460
16:18:50 <buggbot> Bug 518460: urgent, urgent, ---, emaldona, MODIFIED, Transaction Check Error:  file /lib/libnssutil3.so from install of nss-util- conflicts with file from package nss-
16:19:24 <adamw> that one's fixed
16:19:36 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518623
16:19:37 <buggbot> Bug 518623: medium, low, ---, tgl, ON_QA, busted sizes for SQLBIGINT and ODBCINT64 etc
16:19:49 <adamw> hi oxf13
16:20:13 <adamw> we're doing a quick run through f12blocker bugs; the procedure is i'm just posting them in rapid succession, if you see one that should be considered for promotion to f12beta then yell out
16:20:33 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518880
16:20:33 <buggbot> Bug 518880: medium, medium, ---, bnocera, NEW, totem no longer searching for plugins
16:20:58 <Oxf13> ok
16:21:10 <Oxf13> hrm, why did my proxy reboot....
16:21:10 <adamw> that one's actually kinda borderline, because it's a regression in a pretty major feature...it _could_ be fixed post-beta, but it'd probably be nice to have it fixed for beta
16:21:20 <adamw> what do you guys think?
16:21:42 <notting> ... it doesn't prevent any beta use cases.
16:22:01 <adamw> poelcat?
16:22:10 <Oxf13> yeah, I don't see it as a beta blocker
16:22:36 <adamw> k
16:22:37 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518962
16:22:38 <buggbot> Bug 518962: high, low, ---, xgl-maint, NEW, ATI - Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
16:23:14 <adamw> single chipset X fail, we haven't historically held betas for that.
16:23:23 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519350
16:23:24 <buggbot> Bug 519350: high, low, ---, kernel-maint, NEW, F12 Alpha - VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
16:23:41 <notting> 519350 sounds like a beta blocker
16:23:44 <Oxf13> seems nice and vague
16:24:22 <adamw> yeah
16:24:27 <adamw> i can't get much of a handle on it
16:24:29 <notting> also, it looks like an anaconda bug
16:24:51 <adamw> i think something similar was kicked around test-list or devel-list wasn't it?
16:25:20 <denise> or dracut?
16:25:52 <notting> denise: the later comments say after installation, there is no line for the initrd in the bootloader config
16:26:00 <adamw> i don't think it's kernel, anyway
16:26:09 <notting> so either dracut for not making the initrd, or anaconda for not writing the config right
16:26:30 <denise> ok, will ask someone to elevate priority ..
16:26:48 <adamw> i think the initrd is made, because people seem to work around it just by adding the initrd line to grub config
16:26:54 <adamw> no-one seems to say they also have to generate the initrd
16:27:07 <adamw> i vote we promote to f12beta and switch assignment to anaconda for now
16:28:08 <adamw> sound good?
16:28:46 <denise> sure
16:28:58 <adamw> #action 519350 promoted to f12beta, assigned to anaconda
16:29:22 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519442
16:29:23 <buggbot> Bug 519442: medium, low, ---, msivak, ASSIGNED, serial text-mode firstaidkit does not use same TERM settings as anaconda text-mode
16:29:40 <denise> i thyink he has a patc in review
16:29:51 <adamw> doesn't look like a beta blocker anyway
16:30:18 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519766
16:30:19 <buggbot> Bug 519766: medium, low, ---, emaldona, MODIFIED, (nss) FORTIFY_SOURCE buffer overflows and other issues in test suite
16:30:59 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520162
16:31:00 <buggbot> Bug 520162: medium, low, ---, emaldona, MODIFIED, nss-devel no longer provides pkgconfig(nss)
16:31:22 <adamw> why the hell is nss so broken? :D
16:31:42 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520298
16:31:43 <buggbot> Bug 520298: medium, low, ---, rstrode, NEW, [abrt] crash detected in plymouth-0.7.1-2.fc12
16:32:48 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520750
16:32:49 <buggbot> Bug 520750: medium, low, ---, richard, ASSIGNED, Software Update windows checks for update does not stop ..
16:33:39 <Oxf13> 520750 could be considered a blocker
16:33:45 <Oxf13> if it prevents people from getting further udpate
16:33:58 <adamw> i don't see that bug, though
16:34:02 <adamw> do you?
16:34:31 <Oxf13> I haven't used PackageKit in a while.
16:34:41 <adamw> i don't usually, but it only took me ten seconds to test :)
16:35:01 <Oxf13> I don't have it installed, because it thrashes the ssd at in opportune times
16:35:21 <adamw> and i haven't heard any other 'chatter' about it - usually i'd expect at least someone else to report it on the bug / ml / forum
16:36:12 <adamw> so i'm not considering that a beta blocker unlesss someone knows different...
16:36:42 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521276
16:36:44 <buggbot> Bug 521276: high, low, ---, lpoetter, NEW, Something about jitter buffer makes VoIP over GStreamer useless (delay around 15 sec)
16:37:29 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521277
16:37:30 <buggbot> Bug 521277: high, low, ---, kernel-maint, ASSIGNED, kernel BUG at drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_bo.c:133
16:38:13 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521322
16:38:14 <buggbot> Bug 521322: medium, low, ---, xgl-maint, ASSIGNED, no graphics and no console for F12-Snap1-x86_64-Live
16:38:37 <notting> hm
16:38:48 * notting looks
16:39:18 <adamw> another chipset-specific X fail
16:39:18 <notting> oh, fixed. yay!
16:39:21 <adamw> er, graphics fail - kms stuff
16:39:22 <adamw> yeah
16:39:24 <adamw> let's close it
16:39:50 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521519
16:39:51 <buggbot> Bug 521519: high, low, ---, rstrode, NEW, gedit 2.27 leaking memory
16:40:02 <adamw> that's mine :) not a beta blocker
16:40:22 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522137
16:40:23 <buggbot> Bug 522137: high, low, ---, xgl-maint, NEW, Test_Day:2009-09-09_Radeon: Multiple tests crash X.org
16:40:40 <adamw> that one's quite nasty but on balance not quite a beta blocker i think
16:41:42 <Oxf13> k
16:42:01 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522187
16:42:02 <buggbot> Bug 522187: high, low, ---, besfahbo, NEW, Java (so Eclipse too) crashes
16:42:06 <mbooth> I'd like to advocate 522187  - I have two Rawhide installations suffering with this (one kvm and one real) and Eclipse is unusable on both, and F12 will have at least one Eclipse based feature advertised
16:42:25 <adamw> advocate it as a beta blocker?
16:42:52 <mbooth> Well, there's no reasonable workaround
16:43:14 <mbooth> And it's a fairly large thing to have not working (Eclipse that is)
16:43:30 <Oxf13> but a non-functional eclipse doesn't prevent you from installing, booting, and updating
16:43:34 <Oxf13> which would get you a working eclipse
16:44:14 <adamw> Oxf13: that's the standard we were using for alpha, i'm not sure if we'd agreed on a set standard for beta
16:44:25 <adamw> it could be argued that major features shouldn't be entirely broken in beta, i guess...
16:44:47 <Oxf13> let me put it another way
16:45:03 <Oxf13> is there anybody actually working on this issue that has any level of confidence that it will be fixed before the beta deadline?
16:45:38 <mbooth> probably not :-(
16:45:53 <adamw> anyone else have an opinion? notting, poelcat?
16:45:56 <Oxf13> then what good would it do to put it on the blocker list?
16:46:00 <notting> i am fairly sure if eclipse is completely broken, overholt is looking at it
16:46:27 <notting> oh, it's not actually an eclipse issue
16:46:30 <adamw> he's not in the CC list, and the bug appears to be in pangop
16:47:46 <adamw> i'm not really sure about this one, if no-one wants to aruge with oxf13 i guess we leave it on f12blocker
16:48:24 <mbooth> sure
16:48:37 <Oxf13> I just don't want to get into a situation where we're slipping the beta for an issue with no end in sight
16:48:46 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522224
16:48:47 <buggbot> Bug 522224: medium, low, ---, katzj, NEW, livecd-tools leaving fake /selinux garbage behind
16:49:46 <adamw> that looks rather icky in fact
16:49:50 <adamw> especially if it's polluting live image builds
16:50:02 <Oxf13> hrm, I suppose that should be me now
16:50:11 * Oxf13 looks
16:50:56 <poelcat> adamw: if a major feature is broken in the beta we should enact the contingency plan on the feature page
16:51:09 <Oxf13> putting it on the beta
16:51:11 <adamw> k
16:51:27 <adamw> #action 522224 promoted to f12beta
16:51:38 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522609
16:51:39 <buggbot> Bug 522609: medium, medium, ---, hdegoede, NEW, AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith'
16:52:19 <adamw> looks quite icky, but jay and jlaska chose to put it on f12blocker not f12beta, so let's leave it there...
16:52:28 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522929
16:52:29 <buggbot> Bug 522929: medium, low, ---, xgl-maint, NEW, repeated system crashes
16:53:15 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523270
16:53:16 <buggbot> Bug 523270: medium, low, ---, llim, NEW, /usr/sbin/redhat_lsb_trigger.x86_64 hangs
16:54:18 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523800
16:54:19 <buggbot> Bug 523800: high, low, ---, xgl-maint, ASSIGNED, X.org doesn't work on ThinkPad 600X (NeoMagic MagicGraph256ZX)
16:54:32 <notting> hahahahahahaha
16:54:37 <adamw> that one's quite bad, the entire neomagic driver is broken
16:54:38 <notting> 'here's a nickel...'
16:54:44 <Oxf13> how many more bugs are there to go through?  Wife made breakfast, and I'm quite hungry
16:54:48 <adamw> two more
16:54:53 <Oxf13> ok
16:55:12 <adamw> notting: the last system i had with a neomagic in it is still worth a few hundred bucks on ebay :)
16:55:14 <poelcat> adamw: you're averaging 55 bugs per hour ;-)
16:55:17 <notting> adamw: the neomagic driver is also hardware that has not been produced in... 8 years?
16:55:18 <adamw> poelcat: =)
16:55:28 <notting> ... the company is out of business, etc.
16:55:32 <adamw> notting: sure, but we ship it and have it in our X auto-detection
16:55:37 <adamw> so we need to fix it or drop it
16:55:44 <adamw> shipping an entirely broken driver is dumb no matter how old the hardware is
16:55:53 <adamw> probably not bad enough for the beta, though.
16:56:38 <adamw> oh wait i lied, 3 more =) including this next one
16:56:46 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523862
16:56:48 <buggbot> Bug 523862: medium, low, ---, dledford, NEW, mdadm craps at boot
16:57:26 <adamw> how massively non-specific. guh.
16:58:21 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523864
16:58:21 <buggbot> Bug 523864: medium, low, ---, richard, ASSIGNED, Stupid dangerous ACPI interceptor
16:59:04 <Oxf13> the dmesg from mdadm doesn't actually have a broken mdadm
16:59:09 <adamw> i agree with the report entirely, but not a beta blocker.
17:00:31 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=524024
17:00:32 <buggbot> Bug 524024: medium, medium, ---, davidz, NEW, setroubleshoot:      SELinux is preventing polkitd (policykit_t) "read" var_lib_t.
17:01:15 <adamw> ok, we're done, that was the last one
17:01:29 <poelcat> yay!
17:01:33 <adamw> unless anyone has any bugs to bring up that we didn't discuss yet, we can finish
17:02:37 <adamw> #endmeeting
17:02:44 <adamw> hmm, i'm not powahful!
17:02:48 <adamw> poelcat, you'd better do it
17:03:02 <adamw> and you'll have to find my #actions in the log manually :/
17:03:11 * poelcat volunteers to do recap
17:03:19 <poelcat> #endmeeting