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18:00:49 <jsmith> #startmeeting Fedora Board IRC Meeting
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18:00:58 <jsmith> #meetingname Fedora Board
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18:01:19 <jsmith> #topic Open Q&A with Fedora Board members
18:01:31 * jds2001 here
18:01:32 <jsmith> I guess we ought to do roll call, for the record
18:01:44 * ctyler waves
18:01:45 <jsmith> Board members who are here, please make yourselves known
18:01:48 * jsmith is here
18:01:53 * ctyler waves again
18:02:08 * jds2001 waves frantically
18:02:27 <jsmith> OK, I see smooge and rdieter lurking...
18:02:41 <smooge> here
18:02:43 <smooge> sorry
18:02:48 <jsmith> No worries
18:02:51 <rdieter> yo
18:03:05 <jsmith> As a reminder, we'll use our typical protocol as listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings
18:03:20 <jsmith> Board members are encouraged to jump right in and speak
18:03:42 <jsmith> And with that... let's go ahead and jump into Q&A
18:04:08 <jsmith> rdieter: Thanks for your post to the advisory board list about the CWG
18:04:26 <rdieter> figured we didnt have enough flames or bikeshedding lately. :)
18:04:50 <jsmith> My bike shed is still white, and still needs a door before winter time rolls around :-)
18:05:02 <jds2001> the bike shed shall be red!
18:05:22 <rdieter> peuce
18:05:26 <jsmith> Ah, we have mdomsch here as well :-)
18:05:39 <mdomsch> late as always
18:05:53 <jsmith> No worries
18:06:24 <jsmith> Slow week -- no questions so far
18:06:43 <jsmith> While we're waiting for questions, I'll let everybody know that I won't be around for Monday's meeting
18:06:46 * jsmith will be on a plane
18:06:51 <jsmith> (again)
18:06:59 <jds2001> oh, can you give someone the mod code then? :)
18:07:07 <jds2001> we all sat around like idiots last monday :)
18:07:12 <jsmith> Sorry :-(
18:07:14 <rdieter> 2 things to throw out as ideas to talk about: 1.  f15 name, where are we?  2. (plug) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rdieter/Draft_Fedora_Community_Working_Group
18:07:35 <jsmith> As for the name, we're very clearly behind schedule on that (totally my fault)
18:07:57 * rdieter whips jsmith with wet noodle
18:08:12 <jsmith> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_15
18:08:44 <jsmith> The schedule is there as well -- we're accepting name nominations until the end of the day (UTC) on Tuesday the 19th.
18:08:51 <jsmith> So not much more time to get your names in
18:10:08 <rdieter> ok, gotcha.  get the word out.
18:10:24 <jsmith> Exactly :-)
18:10:30 * jds2001 votes for bacon! :D
18:10:37 <jsmith> I posted to the announce list, but nobody ever reads those announcements
18:10:48 <jds2001> it has ~10000 subscribers :)
18:11:46 <jds2001> 10131 to be exact :)
18:12:03 <jsmith> Nice...
18:12:13 <jsmith> The other thing we need to get the word out about is the elections cycle
18:12:28 <jds2001> so is paul still going to take care of that?
18:12:29 <rdieter> that too, fun.
18:12:34 <jsmith> I'll post a proposed schedule here shortly -- did anybody talk to Paul Mellors about being the wrangler?
18:12:50 <jsmith> (It wasn't clear from our meeting on the 4th who was going to contact him)
18:12:51 * rdieter forgets who was tasked with that, hopes not him.
18:12:53 <mdomsch> I didn't.
18:13:04 <jsmith> Any volunteers?
18:13:26 * jds2001 was tasked with talking to inode0 who told me that Paul Mellors was it.
18:13:43 * jds2001 assumed that we didn't need to confirm with him, but we sure need to coordinate
18:13:57 * jds2001 will reach out
18:14:13 <jsmith> I think it would be good to reach out to Paul, make sure he's still OK with being the wrangler, and coordinate a schedule
18:14:22 <inode0> !
18:14:27 <rdieter> jds2001: thanks
18:14:42 <jsmith> inode0: Go ahead!
18:15:03 * jsmith would like to open nominations for Board seats on the 25th (more or less)
18:15:13 <inode0> From all appearances and one report Paul is no longer active in Fedora, so I'd suggest just putting out a call for help to the community
18:15:34 <jds2001> ouch.
18:15:53 <jsmith> inode0: OK, that's good to know.
18:16:04 * jsmith calls up the community and asks for help
18:16:38 * jds2001 hears this loud voice from the sky asking for help with Fedora elections
18:17:23 <jsmith> I'll blog about it, and send something to announce list
18:17:33 * jds2001 can put something together, but it might not be timely. I'm at CPOSC this weekend...
18:17:44 <inode0> if someone just sets a schedule we can ask for help with town halls and questionnaires
18:17:44 <jds2001> oh, if jsmith can then great :)
18:18:01 <jsmith> inode0: I have a rough draft of a schedule... would you like to comment on it now?
18:18:05 <inode0> armed with specific tasks and deadlines makes it easier to commit
18:18:42 <jsmith> Step 1) Announce elections (now)
18:18:58 <jsmith> Step 2) Accept nominations and questions (10/23?  10/25?)
18:19:03 <inode0> sure, we normally post a rough draft to f-a-b for comments before setting it in stone
18:19:48 <rdieter> time passes so quickly, it's shocking how quickly our little fedora is growing up
18:19:51 <jsmith> Step 3) Close questions and have candidates start answering questions (10/31)
18:20:11 <jsmith> Step 4) Answers due from candidates (11/4)
18:20:34 <jsmith> Step 5) Town Hall (11/10 through 11/17)
18:20:42 <jsmith> Step 5) Vote (11/17-11/23)
18:20:52 * jsmith has two step 5s :-(
18:21:00 <jsmith> Anyhoo, that's the rough schedule
18:21:06 <jsmith> I'll post it to advisory-board
18:21:17 <jsmith> but if people want to make comments now, that's fine as well
18:21:27 <inode0> ok, looking at it on a calendar helps me
18:21:38 <jsmith> Note that this is an even-numbered release, so we have two elected board seats up for grabs
18:22:01 <inode0> and half of fesco and all of famsco - so it is a big election
18:25:54 <jsmith> inode0: Yeah, it is.
18:26:01 <jsmith> Welcome spot_ ...
18:27:11 <jds2001> welcome mizmo
18:27:57 <inode0> given past turnout at town halls I do think we should consider possibly trying to only schedule one per election, maybe for 90 minutes instead of two
18:28:30 <jds2001> how do we do that in a world-friendly manner?
18:28:48 <ctyler> l o n g    m i n u t e s
18:28:54 <inode0> you do it in a way the people running can attend
18:29:13 <ctyler> and the rest can read the transcript
18:30:10 * jds2001 still thinks that may be difficult - sya you have someone from the west coast and india running
18:30:37 * jsmith prefers two meetings at different times, but is willing to defer to the person running the town hall meetings
18:30:43 <inode0> it is difficult, I've done it and know it is difficult
18:31:00 <inode0> doing it at two different times is about 4 times as difficult as doing it once
18:31:01 <jsmith> Yes, it is.
18:31:23 <jsmith> OK, makes sense... I just want to try to be as inclusive as possible
18:31:39 <jsmith> The entire world doesn't run on Eastern Daylight Time (or anything close to that)
18:31:44 <inode0> and often one or two candidates aren't available for both
18:31:55 <inode0> and that isn't really fair to them
18:32:24 <jsmith> Yeah... that's true as well.
18:32:45 <inode0> sure, whoever does it can decide - I'm just offering my impression of the town halls over the past couple of years
18:33:24 <inode0> it is a lot of work for both organizers and candidates - 20 people show up and most of those same people show up at both
18:33:58 <jsmith> We certainly appreciate your insight... I've never done it before, so I'm obviously less informed about how things have worked in the past
18:34:11 <jsmith> I've shown up to a couple of Town Halls as an observer, that's all
18:36:11 <inode0> if it helps to know, we almost never have any trouble at all getting volunteers to moderate town halls
18:36:18 <inode0> that is pretty easy to do
18:36:32 <inode0> getting someone to handle the questionnaire bit is harder
18:39:00 <inode0> well, and scheduling the town halls is hard too - running them is easy
18:40:48 <jds2001> well, i think scheduling needs to be done after the candidates are known
18:41:10 <jds2001> that way time zones of the candidates can be taken into account
18:41:23 * ctyler is loving whenisgood.net with TZs turned on
18:41:50 <inode0> correct, scheduling has to wait for candidates
18:42:22 <inode0> whenisgood always gets loud complaints too fwiw
18:42:46 <inode0> which isn't much until someone finds something better :)
18:42:56 <jds2001> do these same people own PS3's?
18:43:04 * inode0 does not know
18:43:22 * jds2001 just finds it slightly hypocritical is all :)
18:45:29 * inode0 seems to recall most of those coming from fesco :)
18:46:48 * jds2001 doesn't recall complaining during his tenure in fesco :)
18:47:15 <jds2001> anyhow, that's neither here nor there
18:48:37 <jsmith> OK folks... twelve minutes until the top of the hour
18:48:45 <jsmith> Any questions/comments on other topics?
18:48:57 * nirik has issues with the interface, but that has nothing to do with it being free/nonfree. ;)
18:49:07 <jds2001> bacon is good.
18:49:38 * jsmith likes bacon, but understands that others have a religious/cultural dislike for it
18:49:58 <inode0> I'm happy to help whoever volunteers to get their bearings
18:50:11 <jds2001> cool, thanks inode0!
18:50:25 <jsmith> Awesome... thanks inode0
18:54:29 <jsmith> If there aren't any other questions, I move that we end the meeting a few minutes early
18:54:46 <jsmith> #topic Last call for questions...
18:55:54 <jsmith> Going once...
18:56:19 <jsmith> Going twice...
18:56:57 <jsmith> Sold to the fat-headed extra-terrestrial on the third row with the bright purple jacket and the glowing eyes!
18:57:01 <jsmith> Thanks everyone!
18:57:07 <jsmith> #endmeeting