15:47:15 <heidie> #startmeeting 15:47:15 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 29 15:47:15 2012 UTC. The chair is heidie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:47:15 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:47:28 <heidie> #topic Getting Started in FOSS 15:48:22 <rebelsky> :ErkanYilmaz - Do you have a URL for the "Open Advice" pdf? 15:50:07 <ErkanYilmaz> rebelsky, http://open-advice.org and here is a wiki version: http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Open_Advice 15:50:27 <heidie> Ohlog.org is a good way to look at characteristics of FOSS projects 15:51:15 <heidie> #link http://www.ohloh.net/ 15:52:35 <rebelsky> The "Open Advice" document is nice, but I think we're looking for a "What I wish I'd known when I started *teaching* open source type thing." I'm sure that HeidiE is typing it as they go. 15:53:06 <ErkanYilmaz> ok 15:53:39 <heidie> There is a paper on how to select a paper in the Friday, March 2, 2012 3:45 PM to 5:00 PM "Porjects" session. 15:53:45 <heidie> Make that "Projects" 15:53:59 * mchua will try to get the meetbot in #teachingopensource2 also, apologizes for the noise 15:54:02 <mchua> .join #teachingopensource2 15:54:02 <zodbot> mchua: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 15:54:10 <mchua> .whoami 15:54:14 <zodbot> mchua: I don't recognize you. 15:54:18 <heidie> whoami 15:54:26 <mchua> zodbot: lies! you know me! I'm Mel! 15:54:30 <heidie> :-) 15:54:37 * mchua hops over to the #fedora channels to get a bot admin to move it over 15:54:42 <mchua> (should set up a TOS bot someday, but okay) 15:54:52 <heidie> mchua, right. Ah well. 15:55:08 <heidie> mchua, so does this mean we're not recording a meeting? 15:59:08 <mchua> heidie: oh, you are 15:59:10 <zodbot> mchua: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 15:59:17 <mchua> heidie: ^^ you're logging already, type away :) 15:59:23 <heidie> :-) Will do 15:59:46 <heidie> Current discussion revolves around whether to start a project on your own or to join an existing FOSS project. 15:59:54 <heidie> There are advantages to both. 16:02:23 <heidie> Finding a project involves looking a projects. Need a project with a well-documented set of "issues to be solved" and documentation items. 16:07:09 <heidie> github is also a good source to find projects. 16:07:35 <heidie> #link https://github.com/ 16:09:46 <ErkanYilmaz> I assume: it's about using/creating an OS project for a class (where students can contribute to) ? 16:10:19 <ErkanYilmaz> and the students have no/low/average/good programming knowledge? 16:10:32 <heidie> Erkan: To provide some context, we're using the teachingopensource channel to live blog an unconference session at the SIGCSE conference. 16:11:11 <heidie> Our group has 10 people with a mix of people from FOSS communities (Linux), academics and more. 16:11:23 <heidie> So we're getting a range of questions related to how to get started. 16:11:35 <ErkanYilmaz> well, then it'd probably costs too much time tzo explain now and distract you all from unconferencing 16:12:07 <rebelsky> Just so folks on this channel know, there's now a second channel (teachingopensource2) that is discussing "lit review" of TOS. (Although we're still trying to decide what we care most about.) 16:12:14 <heidie> :-) Yes, sorry! Thank you for participating! 16:17:59 <heidie> There are also many ways that students can contribute other than code. 16:18:23 <heidie> One effort to identify and categorize contributions is #link http://www.xcitegroup.org/softhum/doku.php?id=f:50ways 16:32:43 <heidie> Another resource that may be helpful for course materials is #link http://www.xcitegroup.org/softhum/doku.php?id=f:coursematerials 16:45:39 <heidie> Faculty culture is an interesting barrier to becoming involved in FOSS. 16:46:04 <heidie> Specifically, faculty ability to admit and deal with lack of expertise in an area. 17:00:34 <heidie> #endmeeting