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21:27:36 <quaid> #startmeeting
21:27:36 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 23 21:27:36 2010 UTC.  The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:27:52 <quaid> #name Capture tasks for The Open Source Way
21:27:53 * MarkDude has some info and ideas for the citations and examples needed
21:28:02 <quaid> right
21:29:06 <quaid> #action Update tasks wiki page with notes from this meeting
21:29:37 <quaid> so there are groups of things to be done in the area of Principles, Implementation, and Examples
21:30:02 <quaid> #action In the principle chapters, examples need to be placed that are not software-specific
21:30:15 <quaid> #action Principles need to be filled out where empty
21:30:29 <quaid> #action Implementation details need filling out, where empty
21:30:40 <quaid> I think we are at the point where people want to make content happen and progress go
21:30:51 <quaid> so there isn't a need to "artificially" keep examples open any longer
21:31:04 <quaid> for example, there is going to be endless room for cool stories in the cool stories chapter
21:31:24 <MarkDude> k
21:31:44 <quaid> #action First nested level sub-sections of the chapters need to be broken out to individual wiki pages for easy reference, then bunded using transclusion in to chapters.
21:31:58 <quaid> #action Chapter content order needs reconsidering, especially in the principles chapter.
21:33:36 <quaid> #info there are stubs for these Implementation chapters: marketing, design, business, IT, legal
21:33:36 <MarkDude> So more than just FOSS examples?
21:33:39 <quaid> #link https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Category:The_Open_Source_Way_book
21:33:43 <quaid> MarkDude: exactly
21:33:47 <quaid> actually, that's pretty important
21:34:05 <quaid> this handbook needs to unmap "the open source way" from "open source software development methodology"
21:34:16 <quaid> that way people can remap it more easily to their non-software experience
21:34:19 <MarkDude> So I am also looking for some Ubuntu help, Creative Commons, artist communities, etc
21:35:22 <quaid> like ... http://bit.ly/TOSWOpenDiscussions
21:35:32 <quaid> and an example that is real (not made up like this) might be:
21:36:38 <quaid> "A charter school had problems in the past with an elite-member board, meeting in private, and so forth, and were in danger of losing their charter for blah blah blah ... when a new Board took over, the members pledged to be extra transparent; they did this, that, and the other, ... walked around talking to people, recorded meetings to post, etc. ... the result was a rebuild of trust and a stronger charter."
21:37:00 <quaid> "A church group ...."
21:37:16 <quaid> "Jazz lovers in New Orleans after Katrina ..."
21:37:17 <quaid> etc.
21:37:21 <quaid> so ...
21:37:29 <quaid> this is what opensource.com has been gathering and writing about for months
21:37:33 <quaid> we can dig through there for stuff
21:37:39 * MarkDude will get some examples from Zareason. We do all sorts of stuff in an Open Way.
21:37:52 <MarkDude> We are talking about casting a wide net then
21:38:00 <quaid> yes
21:38:17 <quaid> because we want this to be useful to people who are a school, a church group, a jazz lover ...
21:38:30 <quaid> same thing,the chapter ...
21:38:44 <quaid> #link https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Great_stories_to_tell
21:39:10 <quaid> those are long stories where more than one principle are displayed; the kind of thing to break out when doing a talk or explaining something ...
21:39:24 <quaid> #action seek out more stories for Great stories to tell
21:39:52 <quaid> #action find people to collaborate on the implementation chapters, aka "Business tosw", "Legal tosw", etc.
21:40:19 <quaid> #action rrix Can we do something for TOSW @FUDCon Tempe with Richard Fontana and ASU law students?
21:40:30 <rrix> Nope, def not :)
21:40:37 * quaid cries
21:40:48 <quaid> #info It's my party, I can cry if I want to
21:40:50 <rrix> hehehe
21:40:56 <quaid> so here's another thing ...
21:41:00 <quaid> we need to do a wiki2xml
21:41:15 <quaid> there is a group who are ready to start tackling a Chinese translation!
21:41:32 <quaid> but I don't want to make them redo work for no good reason ...
21:41:42 <quaid> so we _could_ do a massive change and fix and such push through
21:41:46 <quaid> i.e., reorder on the XML side
21:41:55 <quaid> so we can make new PO/POT files for them
21:43:00 <quaid> #action XML needs updating from wiki
21:43:05 <quaid> #action New POT/PO files needed
21:43:25 <quaid> #action XML and POT/PO work are dependent on the wiki being updated and reorganized for the next release
21:43:39 <quaid> #info the wiki is the *upstream*
21:44:40 <MarkDude> So wiki is canonical, check
21:49:01 <quaid> there was some good on-list talk about reorg on the chapters and page naming ...
21:50:45 <quaid> #action Rename chapters etc. as per list discussion ... https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/tosw/2010-August/000011.html
21:50:48 <quaid> #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/tosw/2010-August/000011.html
21:53:52 <quaid> #action make a checklist: "Open Source Way Self-Assessment" -- something that lists all principles in one place with easy links to the principle; a way to checklist "we are doing this/not; progress yes/no"; a self-assessment to see where you or your group is on a spectrum (1 to 3, or 1 to 5)
21:54:17 <quaid> wow, that is a lot of what has been jamming up in my brain :)
22:02:23 <MarkDude> The Lafayette Green Chamber has a green checklist that has a great order to it
22:08:42 <quaid> be cool to see, got a URL?
22:12:47 <MarkDude> pdf
22:12:51 <MarkDude> http://lafayettechamber.org/community/lafayette-green/
22:13:11 <MarkDude> http://lafayettechamber.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/GreenChecklist-Fill-in.pdf
22:24:23 <MarkDude> So collecting stories is something I can put on my plate. I'll ponder a re-arranged order for the chapters- for possible input.
22:26:47 <MarkDude> I can start with what I know best and get some ZA examples
22:26:53 <MarkDude> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver
22:27:18 <MarkDude> taking the scary out of stuff can make it easier to do  ^^
22:31:39 <quaid> #link http://lafayettechamber.org/community/lafayette-green/
22:32:17 <quaid> #link http://lafayettechamber.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/GreenChecklist-Fill-in.pdf
22:33:08 <quaid> you can do that with the #link too, btw :)
22:34:26 * MarkDude is behind on meeting skills
22:34:50 <MarkDude> #link http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/88/the-un-scary-screwdriver
22:36:08 <MarkDude> Anything else you think should be on my plate?
22:48:37 <quaid> well, we got a nice list of tasks
22:48:43 <quaid> what did you want to do in particular?
22:48:58 <quaid> we could make sure that is assigned to you here, then close the log and send it out to the list
22:49:08 <quaid> I'll invite someone to update the task wiki page :)
22:51:30 <MarkDude> seek out more stories for Great stories to tell & find people to collaborate on the implementation c
22:51:52 * MarkDude knows more than computer folks for the stories
22:52:36 <MarkDude> seeking people to help collaborate sounds like something up my alley
22:55:14 <MarkDude> Starting with Creative Commons also
22:58:37 <quaid> #action MarkDude seek out more stories for Great stories to tell & find people to collaborate on the implementation
22:58:49 <quaid> exactly
22:59:00 <quaid> yeah, for each of the stub implementation chapters I've talked with folks
22:59:07 <quaid> who are experts in those domains.
22:59:23 <MarkDude> Makes sense
23:07:25 <quaid> ok, I'm going to close the log
23:07:31 <quaid> any last anythings?
23:08:04 <MarkDude> nope, not unless you think there is something that would be beneficial for me
23:10:52 <quaid> nope
23:11:57 <quaid> #endmeeting