19:00:23 <mchua> #startmeeting
19:00:24 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Apr 20 19:00:23 2010 UTC.  The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:34 <mchua> POSSE weekly check-in, who's here?
19:00:37 <mchua> #topic roll call
19:01:00 <mchua> Ok, this will be fast :)
19:01:04 <mchua> #topic this summer's POSSEs
19:01:21 <mchua> #info POSSE Worcester and RIT continue to gather attendees, all set with logistics
19:01:32 <mchua> #info POSSE RIT instructors/curriculum set, Fedora
19:01:43 <mchua> #info POSSE Worcester instructors set, curriculum being adapted to Sugar Labs
19:01:56 <mchua> #info POSSE California will have a date, location, and begin recruiting by this Friday
19:02:17 <mchua> #info POSSE CMU needs 1 more instructor and 4 more students to run
19:02:24 <mchua> That's the quick status.
19:02:26 <mchua> Oh, and:
19:02:35 <mchua> #info we are under budget for every POSSE this summer thus far
19:02:38 <mchua> Which is good. :)
19:02:44 <mchua> #topic upcoming POSSEs
19:03:36 <mchua> #info Have not heard updates from South Africa, Malaysia, Philippines, EMEA, Design; potential interest for Carolina, China
19:03:43 <mchua> Nothing we can really hang our hat on yet.
19:03:53 <mchua> #topic POSSE program design
19:04:14 <mchua> #info end-of-semester rush has delayed work on IRB for measuring effectiveness this summer
19:05:07 <mchua> #info we're learning a lot about how to structure the program to make it scaleable/reproducible; expect a v.2.0 "howto plan a POSSE" once details for CMU and California have been settled
19:05:21 <mchua> #info POSSEs outside NA likely to run in fall/winter of this year
19:05:43 <mchua> #info POSSE planning for summer 2010 to start a month from now; if you have ideas for locations, start thinking about them.
19:06:18 <mchua> #info goal: have POSSE be a program that can be run by rotating groups of faculty, like other periodic workshops/conferences in academia, by 2012
19:06:24 <mchua> Aaaand that's all, folks!
19:06:27 * mchua waits a moment for any comments
19:08:52 <micadeyeye> Hi mchua
19:09:06 <mchua> Hi micadeyeye!
19:09:13 <micadeyeye> I got a reply from Dave this afternoon.
19:09:16 <mchua> micadeyeye: Any updates on POSSE SA, anything we can do for you?
19:09:18 <mchua> Ah, awesome.
19:09:26 <micadeyeye> He said he won't be able to come.
19:09:55 <micadeyeye> He also said Chris might not be coming either.
19:09:59 <mchua> micadeyeye: Ok - yeah, it's the middle of the school year here in North America, so it might be difficult to get people.
19:10:04 <mchua> Did you ask any other instructors on the list?
19:11:07 <micadeyeye> Not yet.
19:12:14 <micadeyeye> Dave is busy with the Mozilla project, and he's work at seneca won't give me a chance too.
19:12:23 <mchua> micadeyeye: Ok. It may be easier to find instructors as the summer goes on, because past POSSE attendees are eligible to co-teach POSSEs.
19:12:39 <mchua> And since I'm available to be one of the instructors in October, any POSSE alumni from this summer's classes can co-teach with me.
19:12:44 <mchua> (since I've taught POSSEs before.)
19:13:05 * mchua can only really teach Fedora and Sugar Labs POSSEs, though
19:13:37 <mchua> #info POSSE South Africa is looking for a second instructor, October 3-8, 2010; must be a professor and a POSSE alumni (can be one of this summer's alumni).
19:13:38 <micadeyeye> BTW, it occurred to me lately that I could run the CS program-Mozilla. The reason is that I developed an extension for the browser; so, i have a good idea of the Mozilla Framework.
19:14:18 <micadeyeye> Having you around to teach Fedora and Sugar Labs would be great.
19:14:21 <mchua> micadeyeye: Hm, that's a thought. The two of us could co-teach it, if we worked out the curriculum enough in advance - it'd take some planning, and I wouldn't be able to ramp up on working on that 'till August or so, but... if you're willing, we can go for that.
19:14:53 <micadeyeye> Sure!!
19:15:03 <mchua> micadeyeye: If you think you'll have enough knowledge of the Mozilla project by then to lead people through it, we might be able to pull it off - you'll need to know people within the community to ask, etc.
19:15:20 <mchua> micadeyeye: and we can see if we can find a mozilla developer to come and be our tech guru (to help people hack on code).
19:15:40 <kwurst> Hi. Sorry I'm late. Had to get the students out of my office...
19:15:45 <micadeyeye> I hope so.
19:15:55 * mchua would then be helping with general tools (bug tracking, wiki, IRC, etc) as well as bringing the POSSE framework over.
19:16:06 <micadeyeye> Great.
19:16:18 <mchua> micadeyeye: Ok. If you want to try for that, then what I'd do is take a look at the curriculum from 2009 (hang on, finding link)
19:16:22 <mchua> (hi kwurst!)
19:16:44 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_2009#Topic_Schedule
19:17:00 <mchua> micadeyeye: ^^ - and do a first draft of how you'd like to adapt that to Mozilla
19:17:12 <micadeyeye> I guess you could teaching Fedora - how to hack.
19:17:26 <mchua> micadeyeye: I wouldn't spend more than 30-60 minutes on a first draft - send it to the list for feedback, and we can get people to comment on that draft
19:17:39 <mchua> micadeyeye: Yeah, we could do Mozilla development using Fedora as a development platform; we did that for the first POSSE.
19:17:42 <micadeyeye> okay.
19:17:43 <mchua> That would work nicely.
19:17:56 <mchua> It'd be more Mozilla than Fedora, but we'd be able to standardize on software tools, which makes things easier.
19:17:59 <micadeyeye> teach**
19:18:19 <micadeyeye> great.
19:18:42 <mchua> #idea POSSE South Africa co-taught by micadeyeye and mchua in October, focus on Mozilla development using Fedora as a dev platform - tentative and dependent on whether we can come up with a curriculum.
19:19:07 <mchua> micadeyeye: I don't know what your schedule looks like for the next few months, but when do you want to set as the go/no-go date for this?
19:19:08 <micadeyeye> good.
19:19:39 <micadeyeye> You could come up with a date.
19:19:49 <mchua> micadeyeye: I'd prefer before June 1st if possible, since my schedule is packed solid between June and August (running lots of POSSEs), but realize the school year may be busy for you right now since it's end-of-term (here, at least)
19:20:11 <micadeyeye> np.
19:20:32 <micadeyeye> I will start working on it.
19:20:46 <mchua> micadeyeye: ok - june 1st is a tuesday, that works well. Let's set June 1st.
19:20:56 <mchua> We'll be go/no-go on that date - so before then we need to know:
19:20:59 <micadeyeye> A venue has also been booked for the event.
19:21:07 <mchua> #info POSSE South Africa go/no-go date is June 1st, 2010
19:21:37 <mchua> #info Needed to make POSSE South Africa a GO: location (done), instructors (done), tech guru, at least 5 students, curriculum, funding secured, draft of logistics
19:21:40 <mchua> micadeyeye: how's that sound?
19:22:03 <micadeyeye> great.
19:22:08 <mchua> so we need to come up with a curriculum for it in the next month
19:22:11 <mchua> okeydokey.
19:22:23 <micadeyeye> thanks.
19:22:32 <mchua> micadeyeye: if you can start that off by doing a first draft, I'll watch for your ping on the list and will pick up on it then, and toss my revisions back.
19:22:47 <mchua> #action micadeyeye do a first draft of POSSE SA (Mozilla) curriculum, send to TOS list
19:22:58 <micadeyeye> np
19:23:20 <mchua> micadeyeye: anything else on POSSE SA?
19:23:35 <micadeyeye> no
19:23:41 <mchua> kwurst: and anything on POSSE Worcester? Tomorrow I and the other instructors are sitting down to go over the curriculum, so we should have an update to the list then
19:23:45 <mchua> micadeyeye: ok, sounds awesome. Thank you! :)
19:23:56 <micadeyeye> you are welcome.
19:24:01 <mchua> kwurst: I've gotten a few more applicants, will +1 them after meetings today
19:24:25 <kwurst> Nothing new right now. We promoted the POSSE at CCSCNE this weekend during the HFOSS panel discussion.
19:25:19 <mchua> kwurst: Awesome - thanks for that.
19:25:24 <kwurst> I still need to get the housing details ironed out and posted. Can that wait a week or two? Or does it need to be done sooner rather than later?
19:25:31 <mchua> kwurst: It can wait a week or two.
19:25:54 <kwurst> Good. I'd like to dig out from some other end-of-semester stuff first.
19:26:39 * mchua nods
19:26:53 <kwurst> I'll try to send out some more invitations when I can grab a few minutes. Any general idea of how many more applicants?
19:28:19 <kwurst> Anything else I need to be doing right now?
19:28:44 <mchua> kwurst: not at the moment!
19:28:46 <mchua> I think we're all set.
19:29:29 <kwurst> Ok! I'm looking forward to the new list of applicants...
19:30:55 <kwurst> If there's nothing else, I'll move on...
19:31:24 <mchua> yep.
19:31:28 <mchua> I think it's time to wrap up.
19:31:30 <mchua> any last comments?
19:31:35 * mchua looks around
19:31:38 <kwurst> nope.
19:31:41 <mchua> Good meeting, short meeting. :)
19:31:43 <mchua> Ok!
19:31:45 <mchua> closing in 5...
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19:31:49 <kwurst> Ok, bye!
19:31:51 <mchua> 1...
19:31:53 <mchua> #endmeeting