19:03:45 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Cloud SIG
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19:03:52 <rbergeron> #meetingname Cloud SIG
19:03:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig'
19:03:57 <rbergeron> #topic Who's here :)
19:03:58 <kkeithley> here
19:04:13 * jforbes is here
19:04:53 <rbergeron> Well, well, well.
19:04:58 <rbergeron> A light crowd today :)
19:05:36 * gholms yawns
19:05:38 * douglax peeking here
19:05:49 <rbergeron> hey douglax
19:06:02 <douglax> Hello everyone
19:06:10 * johnmark waves
19:06:18 <rbergeron> hidey ho, folks.
19:06:47 * jsmith lurks
19:07:10 <rbergeron> alrighty.
19:07:28 * rbergeron is sweating to death from doing some car-things
19:07:34 <rbergeron> #topic EC2
19:07:39 <rbergeron> dgilmore: you around?
19:07:44 <rbergeron> #chair gholms jforbes
19:07:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms jforbes rbergeron
19:08:12 <dgilmore> rbergeron: yesum
19:08:25 <rbergeron> dgilmore: i saw you closed the EC2 ticket, thank you for all your work :D
19:08:33 <rbergeron> all hail dgilmore :) the long process is over
19:08:56 <rbergeron> dgilmore: just wanted to make sure the outstanding issues with ... man pages and language (??? i think) were fixed also?
19:09:45 <gholms> There's also an issue that showed up during yesterday's testing.
19:09:47 <rbergeron> Also: we have this email on the list...
19:09:51 <rbergeron> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-October/000878.html
19:09:51 <gholms> .bug 747692
19:09:53 <zodbot> gholms: Bug 747692 Networking startup failure on EC2, ami-7f5a063a (Cloud test day) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=747692
19:09:57 <rbergeron> gholms: go ahead
19:10:03 <rbergeron> because you're awesome
19:10:19 <gholms> I haven't looked at it.  I just know it's there.
19:10:30 * gholms isn't sure what the cause is
19:11:18 <jforbes> That was the  US west x86_64 image
19:11:38 <verdurin> It happened on the EU ones too (I reported the bug)
19:11:50 <jforbes> verdurin: only on micro though?
19:11:57 <rbergeron> http://fpaste.org/wX89/ <-- and this is a yum upgrade issue that our pal spevack noticed at some point back, not sure if that is still an issue or something that got tested for.
19:12:12 <verdurin> jforbes: no, I used the temporary account with "proper" tiers
19:12:18 <rbergeron> jforbes: do you know offhand if that is still an issue or not or is there a way for us to quickly test it?
19:12:27 <rbergeron> not sure if its' a F16-everything issue, or EC2-only
19:13:02 <verdurin> I tried a yum upgrade on the two I could connect to and it worked fine
19:13:08 <jforbes> rbergeron: yeah, not sure where that is from, EC2 shouldnt have grub installed
19:13:47 <rbergeron> spevack: you around?
19:13:50 <gholms> Would appliance-tools be adding it?
19:14:26 * ke4qqq shows up late
19:14:28 <jforbes> gholms: dont think so, did spevack report that from our images, or from elsewhere?
19:14:42 <rbergeron> I was under the impression that it was from our images.
19:15:13 <jforbes> I can fire one up and check, but almost positive grub1 isnt even there
19:15:13 <rbergeron> We could probably get him to write an email if someone responds looking for specific answers to specific questions.
19:15:21 <rbergeron> hey ke4qqq :)
19:15:26 <rbergeron> and mdomsch :)
19:15:44 * mdomsch knows no..ting
19:17:21 <rbergeron> :)
19:17:56 <rbergeron> okay. So... dgilmore, re: man pages, etc? Can you confirm that stuff is fixed for release day? :)
19:19:05 <gholms> Sounds like an email would be good.
19:20:22 <johnmark> ke4qqq: howdy :)
19:20:32 <rbergeron> okay, well.
19:20:36 <rbergeron> I guess we'll come back to that
19:20:43 * rbergeron lol's at kkeithley_afk4as's temporary nick
19:21:03 <rbergeron> #topic Test Day Wrapup
19:21:25 <rbergeron> So, aside from me now being EXPERT at giving out ec2 accounts using euca2ools and stuff
19:21:39 <rbergeron> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-10-20_Cloud_SIG_Test_Day
19:21:44 <rbergeron> #info Did find some possible EC2 bugs.
19:21:54 <jforbes> Okay, it does seem to have grub1 installed, and it is now replacing it with grub2 on yum update
19:23:08 <rbergeron> We didn't have really anyone test out hekafs, which is a bummer, though I wonder if it is just related to people not wanting to deal with doing things on multiple pieces of hw?
19:23:10 <kkeithley> that was supposed to be kkeithley_awk4asec
19:23:29 <dgilmore> rbergeron: ive not made a new compose yet
19:23:29 <kkeithley> hard to say
19:23:57 <johnmark> I put a note in #gluster
19:23:59 <dgilmore> rbergeron: but i have changed the kickstarts to install docs and languages
19:24:10 <rbergeron> dgilmore: okay, cool, that's what I wanted to hear :) thank you :)
19:24:27 <jforbes> rbergeron: that's a pretty typical thing from virt test days too, no one tests migration.  I guess people generally dedicate 1 machine to test day
19:24:27 <rbergeron> #info EC2 kickstarts are updated to install docs and languages now, thanks dgilmore!
19:25:16 <rbergeron> and not really a way around that, i guess, wrt multiple machines?
19:25:55 <dgilmore> gholms: so the output in the console in that bug is actually normal
19:26:12 <jforbes> So, the good news is, spevack's bug seems to be fixed, yum update does replace grub1 with grub2, but works correctly and causes no issues
19:26:14 <gholms> I see.
19:26:40 <dgilmore> jforbes: it may be bandaided over
19:26:42 <kkeithley> I do all my testing w/ qemu/kvm guests. That's going to be more and more common with clustering and cloudy things
19:26:51 <dgilmore> jforbes: we really need to not install grub at all
19:27:03 <dgilmore> and just write out a grub1 style config file
19:27:12 <dgilmore> likely it should be owned by cloud-init
19:27:13 <jforbes> dgilmore: perhaps, but EC2 is not the only place this is an issue, so the bandaid is valid too
19:28:01 <dgilmore> jforbes: we are likely to hit issues down the road if we have both grub1 and grub2 config files. grubby has been really buggy in that regard
19:28:27 <rbergeron> kkeithley: maybe we'd get more help in the future if we have more detailed instructions available as to how to do that on vm's? I dunno.
19:28:32 * rbergeron feels bad we couldn't get you more testing
19:28:40 <johnmark> dgilmore: I was wondering why grub was installed at all
19:28:40 <dgilmore> rbergeron: sorry ill shut up now
19:28:52 <rbergeron> dgilmore: no biggy, feel free to talk :)
19:29:06 <rbergeron> mdomsch: have you had a moment to look at the openstack test day results at all?
19:29:11 <dgilmore> johnmark: its installed because applicance-creator forces it to be
19:29:23 <johnmark> dgilmore: ah! well then..
19:29:26 <dgilmore> johnmark: i need to fix that before i make rc images
19:29:29 <mdomsch> rbergeron: I was just now actually.  Things look better than I would have thought.
19:29:34 <mdomsch> kudos to markmc for all his efforts there
19:29:42 * rbergeron nods
19:30:09 <mdomsch> I didn't get test cases for keystone written; I've only smoke-tested it so far (e.g. run 'keystone', does it start or crash immediately)
19:30:10 <kkeithley> maybe VMs are too bleeding edge, but I first used VMware, gee, eight or nine years ago, so it doesn't feel so bleeding edge to me
19:30:15 <mdomsch> and now it doesn't crash immediately...
19:30:59 <kkeithley> VMs work a whole lot better now than they did nine years ago too.
19:31:08 <rbergeron> yes they do. :)
19:31:17 <rbergeron> mdomsch: progress++, eh?
19:32:02 * jmw-vm-guest is now a VM running on the johnmark hypervisor
19:32:23 * rbergeron raises an eyebrow
19:32:24 <kkeithley> but will he pass a turing test?
19:32:29 <rbergeron> heck no.
19:32:34 <rbergeron> :)
19:32:41 <jmw-vm-guest> kkeithley: that assumes I would have before ;)
19:32:50 <kkeithley> :-)
19:33:43 <rbergeron> okay.
19:33:45 <rbergeron> So:
19:34:07 <rbergeron> #info Most of teh openstack stuff seems to be working decently; keystone is the only outstanding piece, but is smoke-testing decently now.
19:35:37 <rbergeron> Ummm.
19:35:42 <rbergeron> Okay, I'll move on then
19:35:50 <rbergeron> #topic Any Other Business?
19:36:10 * rbergeron would like to thank gholms a LOT for his help in getting all the IAM primers and ec2 primer written.
19:36:14 <rbergeron> EPIC JOB.
19:37:46 <kkeithley> jmw-vm-guest: I guess I should start hanging out in #gluster too
19:38:14 <jmw-vm-guest> kkeithley: we won't mind :)
19:38:25 <rbergeron> jmw-vm-guest: dude, your nick is going to kill me
19:38:25 * gholms returns from lunch
19:38:32 <rbergeron> gholms: i should have bought you that lunch!
19:38:53 <gholms> rbergeron: Maybe next time there's a fudcon or something ;)
19:38:53 <jmw-vm-guest> lol
19:38:57 <jmw-vm-guest> ok... fine
19:39:13 <rbergeron> gholms: yes.
19:39:32 <rbergeron> gholms: are you going to come again this year?
19:39:37 <russellb> i signed up!  \o/
19:39:37 * gholms needs to ask $dayjob
19:39:41 <rbergeron> and bringing obino?
19:39:46 <rbergeron> and that other guy
19:39:49 <rbergeron> what's his name again
19:40:04 <rbergeron> the guy who couldn't come last year because of some TOTALLY LAME EXCUSE
19:40:20 <gholms> Oh, I thought you meant gregdek.
19:40:22 <rbergeron> oh, i'm mocking someone who's not even here
19:40:35 <rbergeron> I did mean gregdek
19:40:39 <gholms> :P
19:40:45 <johnmark> poor guy
19:41:33 <rbergeron> nhl all star weekend in raleigh is no excuse
19:41:43 <rbergeron> anyway, i'd mock more, but he's not here.
19:41:49 <gholms> rbergeron: R U SHUR?
19:42:00 <rbergeron> gholms: find out, if they won't, we'll get it figured out.
19:42:18 <rbergeron> :)
19:42:25 * rbergeron looks around for anyone who has anything to discuss
19:42:43 <jsmith> rbergeron: I'll make a plug for the Cloud Guide
19:42:59 <verdurin> Just wanted to thank everyone for putting the Test Day together - will do more testing when I have time
19:43:00 <rbergeron> #chair jsmith
19:43:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms jforbes jsmith rbergeron
19:43:01 <rbergeron> go for it
19:43:09 <rbergeron> #topic Cloud Guide
19:43:15 <gholms> verdurin: Thanks for testing!
19:43:23 <jsmith> If folks here want to help flesh out sections of the Cloud Guide, please just write up what you can in a wiki
19:43:37 <rbergeron> IS THERE A LINK TO THIS CLOUD GUIDE? just curious
19:43:38 <jsmith> The Docs team and I will help get it from wiki text into DocBook and into the guide
19:43:46 <jsmith> rbergeron: Yeah, let me grab it
19:44:03 <jsmith> #link http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Cloud_Guide/index.html
19:44:17 <jsmith> Right now, it's mostly an outline, but we're slowing working at filling in the blanks
19:45:08 * rbergeron nods
19:45:20 <rbergeron> #info If you want to help flesh out sections of the CLoud guide, please write up what you can in a wiki.
19:45:30 <gholms> Been there, done that.
19:45:32 <rbergeron> What part of the wiki would be appropriate, how to pass the info along to you guys?
19:45:37 <rbergeron> gholms: you're awesome
19:45:39 <jsmith> I hope to have gholms stuff done early next week
19:45:40 <rbergeron> did i say that?
19:45:40 <jsmith> :-)
19:45:48 <gholms> jsmith: Thanks for doing that.
19:45:54 * jsmith will say it as well -- gholms is da bomb
19:46:44 <rbergeron> alrighty.
19:46:46 <rbergeron> ANYTHING ELSE?
19:46:53 <rbergeron> it's freaking friday. Oy.
19:47:27 <gholms> [The Kool-Aid man bursts through the wall]
19:47:55 <rbergeron> Okay, that's my cute.
19:47:57 <rbergeron> err
19:47:58 <rbergeron> cue.
19:48:01 <rbergeron> And that was very cute.
19:48:02 <rbergeron> ;)
19:48:11 <gholms> Thanks for coming, everyone!
19:48:19 * rbergeron will just start counting backwards randomly until she feels like ending the meeting
19:48:28 <rbergeron> Indeed. thank you guys :)
19:48:36 * gholms will just end the meeting if it takes too long
19:48:39 <rbergeron> for test day, coming today, everything else :)
19:48:40 <kkeithley> adios
19:48:40 <rbergeron> OOH
19:48:44 <rbergeron> one two three four
19:48:47 <rbergeron> let's have an end war!
19:48:50 <gholms> That's forwards!
19:48:52 <rbergeron> #endmeeting