12:00:01 <Manikandan> #startmeeting Gluster Bug Triage
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12:00:07 <Manikandan> #info agenda: https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/gluster-bug-triage
12:00:13 <Manikandan> #topic Roll Call
12:00:32 * rafi1 is partially here
12:00:44 * skoduri is here
12:01:10 * Manikandan expects more participants as we have around 25 bugs to triage
12:01:42 <Manikandan> jiffin, hgowtham, ashiq, ^^
12:01:43 * atinm is here
12:01:57 <atinm> but partially though :(
12:02:00 * hgowtham is here
12:02:06 * jiffin ihere
12:02:10 <Manikandan> atinm, np :)
12:02:33 <Manikandan> Should we wait for some more participants?
12:02:56 <atinm> 5 should be good enough to start?
12:03:05 <Manikandan> atinm, okay!!
12:03:16 <Manikandan> Going on to last week action items
12:03:22 <hgowtham> people will join eventually
12:03:27 <Manikandan> #topic skoduri and ndevos will document how people can get bug notifications for specific components
12:03:32 <Manikandan> skoduri, any updates on this?
12:04:05 <jiffin> Manikandan: we can move to the end
12:04:23 <jiffin> skoduri: is not here
12:04:28 <Manikandan> jiffin, sure
12:04:30 <jiffin> right now
12:04:45 <Manikandan> #topic atinm will try to get a followup from Naga on http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.gluster.devel/12760/focus=12801
12:05:11 <atinm> Manikandan, its a pretty old action item and I do believe Naga has already replied to this thread
12:05:21 * atinm is searching for the link
12:05:44 <skoduri> Manikandan, sorry had to step out for few min
12:05:57 <Manikandan> skoduri, np
12:06:04 <skoduri> we haven't done that..please keep it for next week
12:06:08 <atinm> Manikandan, here is the link : http://www.gluster.org/pipermail/gluster-devel/2015-November/047078.html
12:06:42 <Manikandan> #action  skoduri and ndevos will document how people can get bug notifications for specific components
12:06:59 <Manikandan> atinm, thank you :-)
12:07:28 <Manikandan> Since none of the other assignees are there, moving to group triage
12:07:43 <Manikandan> #topic Group Triage
12:07:51 <Manikandan> #link https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/gluster-bugs-to-triage
12:07:58 <Manikandan> The bug triage process is documented here
12:08:05 <Manikandan> #link http://gluster.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Contributors-Guide/Bug-Triage/
12:08:13 <Manikandan> Please enter your name in the beginning of the bug you are going to triage
12:08:20 <Manikandan> Strike the bug out from the list once triaging is done
12:12:34 * Humble is here
12:21:01 <atinm> On what basis we have picked up old bugs?
12:21:28 <atinm> was there any selection criteria?
12:21:52 <Manikandan> atinm, there is a longer list of older BZ's that need to be triaged, we just run the query and take the top 10 bugs out of it
12:22:16 <atinm> Manikandan, 10 oldest bugs right?
12:22:53 <Manikandan> Manikandan, I am not sure if it's oldest, I just run this query
12:23:01 <Manikandan> 'https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&product=GlusterFS&f1=keywords&o1=notsubstring&v1=Triaged
12:23:22 <Manikandan> and took the top ten from the list
12:24:55 <atinm> Manikandan, ideally we should sorted on the bug id to pick the oldest ones, what do you think?
12:25:03 <atinm> s/should/should have
12:25:16 <jiffin> atinm: there were around 103 backlog bugs, so we planned to triage them out
12:25:22 <jiffin> atinm: +1
12:25:25 <Manikandan> atinm, that makes more sense to take the oldest
12:26:00 <Manikandan> From next triage, we will follow up
12:29:49 <Humble> Manikandan, may be we can have a filter based on the date/period
12:30:01 <Humble> that would help us to sort it out.
12:30:14 <Manikandan> Humble, hmm sure
12:31:01 <Humble> Manikandan, r we done ?
12:31:14 <Manikandan> Humble, few more bugs
12:32:14 <Manikandan> Humble, could you look into BZ-1058300
12:32:30 <Humble> Manikandan, let me check :)
12:32:39 <Manikandan> Humble, thanks :)
12:33:02 <Humble> Manikandan, skoduri is already on it
12:33:18 <Manikandan> Humble, cool
12:33:27 <Humble> skoduri++ :)
12:36:13 <skoduri> done
12:36:29 <Manikandan> skoduri, thanks :)
12:37:03 <Manikandan> We are finally done with group triage :P
12:37:07 <kkeithley_> there are only a couple BZs that are older than the old ones we did today.  764795, 860466, 1004546, and 1010068
12:37:20 <Manikandan> #topic Open Floor
12:37:22 <kkeithley_> maybe make sure we get those on the list for next week
12:37:30 <Manikandan> kkeithley_, thanks for the update
12:37:50 <Manikandan> Sure will add it to the list
12:38:00 <skoduri> what do we do to the older bugs which may not be applicable/exist in the latest release?
12:38:13 <skoduri> I have put need_info on reporter to re-test and update
12:38:36 <skoduri> what is no one actively responds? How long shall we keep such bugs?
12:39:06 <skoduri> */is/if
12:39:33 <Manikandan> Aren't we already closing such bugs after a period of time and asking them to reopen if they could find in latest build?
12:39:42 <hgowtham> send them a reminder?
12:40:11 <atinm> If I were you, I would have taken a call based on the release version, if its 3.5 then I wouldn't really mind to close it saying Won't fix since its going to be EOLed pretty soon once 3.8 arrives?
12:40:32 <kkeithley_> 3.8 is still a couple months away.
12:40:55 <skoduri> atinm, but if that seem to be a valid issue which may happen even on latest releases?
12:41:09 <kkeithley_> and if the bug still exists in newer release(s) we should change the version
12:41:16 <skoduri> kkeithley_, agree
12:41:45 <Manikandan> skoduri, lets move on?
12:42:00 <skoduri> I do not remember correctly, how long can we keep bugs with need_info before closing it
12:42:54 <atinm> skoduri, 3-4 weeks is a good enough time, this was discussed few months ago in one of the meeting
12:43:42 <skoduri> atinm, thanks..I keep forgetting ..so wanted to confirm once :)
12:44:41 <Manikandan> Rafi has alrady set up a doodle poll regarding the suitable timing for bug triage meeting
12:45:09 * jiffin casted my votes
12:45:09 <Humble> yep..
12:45:17 <skoduri> me too :)
12:45:19 * Manikandan too
12:45:22 <Humble> did he sent a mail to gluster users ?
12:45:31 <Humble> sent/send
12:45:43 <jiffin> YEs
12:45:46 <Manikandan> Yeah he sent to gluster-users as well
12:45:57 <Humble> oh..ok
12:46:24 <Manikandan> kkeithley_, atinm Humble skoduri jiffin hgowtham rafi1, anything else to discuss?
12:46:41 <atinm> Manikandan, nothing from my side
12:46:42 <Humble> no from me
12:46:48 <skoduri> none from me as well
12:46:49 <hgowtham> Manikandan, no
12:46:49 <kkeithley_> No. I just triaged three of those four older bugs, so....
12:47:01 <Humble> kkeithley++
12:47:02 <glusterbot> Humble: kkeithley's karma is now 3
12:47:05 <skoduri> kkeithley_++ :D
12:47:06 <Manikandan> kkeithley_, thanks again ;-)
12:47:37 <Manikandan> Anyone interested to host next week's bug triage meeting?
12:47:39 <Humble> before we finish, do we really monitor the bugs which are triaged ? :)
12:47:45 <jiffin> ndevos has mentioned in one of previous, if the status of BUG is corrected properly please inform the assignee
12:47:48 <hgowtham> kkeithley_++
12:47:49 <glusterbot> hgowtham: kkeithley_'s karma is now 6
12:48:32 <kkeithley_> hopefully maintainers are watching Bugzilla and looking at the bugs that are assigned to them.   Is that not the case?
12:48:38 <jiffin> s/corrected/inot corrected/
12:48:55 <Humble> its expected to work that way, but I am not sure..
12:48:58 <atinm> That's how I track incoming traffic for glusterd :)
12:49:28 <jiffin> we can put a needinfo on assigne?
12:49:29 <Humble> atinm++ thanks
12:49:50 <jiffin> if he is already posted the patch
12:50:03 <atinm> I do feel that its everyone's responsibility, not only for maintainers
12:50:07 <jiffin> ask him to change the status accordingly
12:50:09 <Manikandan> jiffin, just to remind them about the incorrect status?
12:50:11 <Humble> kkeithley_, hopefully every maintainer is doing that. but I am not sure
12:50:19 <jiffin> Yes
12:50:30 <Manikandan> jiffin, hmm (y)
12:50:37 <kkeithley_> Yes, it's everyone's responsibility.
12:50:41 <jiffin> atinm: yes it is , but not followed properly
12:51:02 <Humble> atinm, true.. for that there should be proper filtering at everyones end to sort the bugs at their component
12:51:25 <Humble> but I dont know whether people really know about the bug mailing list itself
12:51:28 <Humble> so the question
12:51:51 <atinm> Humble, yes that's the trick
12:52:14 <atinm> Humble, for me I have a filter applied in my mail box, and that too for new bugs and existing bugs
12:52:35 <atinm> documenting it should be helpful, I believe ndevos & skoduri are already into it
12:52:42 <Manikandan> atinm, yup
12:53:00 <kkeithley_> And management needs to remember that there is more to Gluster than just downstream. I think they know that. But sometimes we get stuck in a "downstream only" mindset.
12:53:16 <skoduri> atinm, yes..hopefully by next bug triage meeting will send out the query which one can use to filter
12:53:17 <Humble> afair, we sent a mail about the process.
12:53:49 <Humble> atinm, do u think we can really increase the participation in the bug traiging meeting by asking the scrum team to join ?
12:54:01 <Humble> I see nfs ganesha is active here :)
12:54:10 <kkeithley_> indeed
12:54:13 <Humble> kkeithley++ skoduri++ jiffin+
12:54:27 <kkeithley_> ndevos would be here too, but he is on PTO this week
12:54:31 <Humble> like that if every scrum master can pull their team, this meeting will be really effective
12:54:31 <kkeithley_> ndevos++
12:54:32 <atinm> I tried, but failed multiple times
12:54:32 <glusterbot> kkeithley_: ndevos's karma is now 2
12:54:41 <Humble> yeah, ndevos++ jiffin++
12:55:19 * Manikandan feels quota team is very small :P
12:55:20 <Humble> we need to discuss this. lets see..
12:55:38 <Humble> Manikandan, but still u can mark the presence :)
12:55:47 <Manikandan> Humble, sure, I will :-)
12:55:54 <Humble> I mean ur team :)
12:56:01 <kkeithley_> yes, if every scrum master was here, they could triage their own bugs, and then they'd be right on top of their own bugs
12:56:11 <Manikandan> kkeithley_, +1
12:56:14 <Humble> atinm++
12:56:16 <glusterbot> Humble: atinm's karma is now 1
12:56:19 <Humble> kkeithley_, indeed..
12:56:24 <kkeithley_> and people don't have to wait for the Bug Triage meeting to triage their own bugs
12:56:38 <kkeithley_> s/people/scrum masters/
12:56:55 <Humble> atleast it matters a lot for the stability of the product and to catch the bug at the earliest.
12:56:57 <Humble> yep .
12:57:09 <atinm> yes that should be the practice
12:57:48 <Manikandan> Anything else atinm Humble kkeithley_ ?
12:57:53 <atinm> I think I should write a blog about how do our team triage bugs
12:58:06 <kkeithley_> atinm: +1
12:58:12 <Humble> atinm++ , please
12:58:19 <Humble> so that others can also practice.
12:58:25 <atinm> sure
12:58:28 <Humble> also try once again to pull ur team here :)
12:58:32 <atinm> Will do that in some time
12:58:46 <Humble> Manikandan, once again nothing from me.. :)
12:59:05 * atinm echoes the same
12:59:10 <Manikandan> Anyone interested in hosting next week's bug triage?
12:59:26 * Manikandan echoes the same old question :P
12:59:44 * Humble : I am busy next week with meetings :)
13:00:04 <Manikandan> atinm, and jiffin is also busy with meeitngs
13:00:07 <Humble> btw next week Amye is here in Bangalore.
13:00:22 <Humble> hgowtham, ? :)
13:00:24 <kkeithley_> won't she be busy with the planning meetings?
13:00:45 <Humble> kkeithley_, yes, we also have some community meetings next week
13:00:48 <kkeithley_> Along with Ric, and jdarcy
13:00:52 <hgowtham> Humble, yea sure i'll try
13:00:57 <Humble> also announced a meetup.
13:00:59 <Humble> kkeithley_, true
13:01:10 <Humble> thanks hgowtham++ , take help from Manikandan if needed
13:01:10 <Manikandan> Humble, I saw, dec 18?
13:01:15 <Humble> Manikandan, yes
13:01:25 <hgowtham> yea i'll talk to Manikandan  about it :)
13:01:35 <Manikandan> hgowtham, thanks :-)
13:01:43 <hgowtham> Manikandan, yw
13:01:45 <hgowtham> :)
13:02:02 <Humble> thanks Manikandan++
13:02:10 <Manikandan> hchiramm++ hgowtham++ atinm++ jiffin++ skoduri++ kkeithley_++ rafi1++, thank you all :-)
13:02:33 <rafi1> Manikandan++
13:02:34 <glusterbot> rafi1: Manikandan's karma is now 1
13:02:51 <Humble> bye
13:02:57 <jiffin> cya
13:03:25 <Humble> Manikandan, do endmeeting
13:03:36 <Manikandan> #endmeeting