12:01:05 <Manikandan> #startmeeting Gluster Bug Triage
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12:01:25 <Manikandan> #info agenda: https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/gluster-bug-triage
12:02:06 <Manikandan> #topic Roll Call
12:02:14 * ndevos is present
12:02:15 * jiffin is here
12:02:29 * Humble is here
12:02:30 <ndevos> kkeithley_ will be a few minutes late to bug triage
12:02:57 <Manikandan> ashiq, around ?
12:03:13 * ashiq is here
12:03:38 <Manikandan> Shall we wait for some more participants?
12:03:44 <jiffin> Manikandan: yes
12:04:18 * rafi is here
12:04:40 <rafi> Manikandan: good to see you :)
12:04:52 <Manikandan> rafi, thank you:-)
12:04:59 * ndevos o_O
12:05:07 <Manikandan> Going on to last week action items
12:05:32 <Manikandan> #topic skoduri and ndevos will document how people can get bug notifications for specific components
12:05:50 <Manikandan> ndevos, any updates on this
12:06:07 <ndevos> Manikandan: nope, sorry
12:06:39 <Manikandan> Moving to next week #action skoduri and ndevos will document how people can get bug notifications for specific components
12:07:20 <Manikandan> kkeithley_ sent a mail to gluster-dev regarding target release for older bugs
12:07:41 <jiffin> Manikandan: I saw the mail
12:07:47 <ndevos> Manikandan: make sure to do the #<command> commands at the start of the line, otherwise zodbot does not catch them
12:07:48 <kkeithley_> yes, I sent it
12:08:08 <ndevos> kkeithley_: oh, when? I guess I missed it
12:08:21 <jiffin> ndevos: last tuesday
12:08:29 <Manikandan> #topic kkeithley_ sent a mail to gluster-dev regarding target release for older bugs
12:08:32 <ndevos> hm, ok, need to look for it
12:08:42 <Manikandan> ndevos, done :-)
12:08:43 <kkeithley_> 24 Nov
12:09:55 * ndevos is not looking for the email now, please dont wait for it
12:10:35 <rafi> Manikandan: if it os done, may be you can go ahead with next topic
12:10:42 <Manikandan> All other assignee's corresponding to the agenda are not present,
12:10:53 <Manikandan> rafi, yup we will move onto group triage
12:11:07 <Manikandan> #topic Group Triage
12:11:16 <Manikandan> #link https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/gluster-bugs-to-triage
12:11:55 <Manikandan> The bug triage process is documented here #link http://gluster.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Contributors-Guide/Bug-Triage/
12:12:37 <Manikandan> Please enter your name in the beginning of the bug you are going to triage
12:12:51 <Manikandan> Strike the bug out from the list once triaging is done
12:13:15 <Humble> #link Bug triaging process is documented here https://gluster.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Workflow-Guide/Bug-Triage/
12:13:52 <kkeithley_> while we're triaging....   Nobody has anything to say about Target Release.  At some point I do a bulk clear and then have the field removed.
12:14:01 <Humble> sorry wrong link :(
12:14:09 <Humble> #link Bug triaging process is documented here https://gluster.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Contributors-Guide/Bug-Triage/
12:14:25 <ndevos> Humble: the steps for the triaging itself is in the etherpad with the bugs :)
12:14:37 <Humble> kkeithley_, that should be fine
12:14:41 <Humble> ndevos, yeah, forgot
12:14:56 <ndevos> kkeithley_: yes, remove it, we should have as few fields in the bug as needed
12:15:53 <skoduri> ?ME sorry am late
12:16:47 <Manikandan> skoduri, np :-)
12:16:56 <ndevos> ?YOU
12:17:28 <Humble> skoduri, /ME :)
12:17:44 <skoduri> Humble, yeah realized that later :)
12:17:47 <skoduri> ndevos, :)
12:17:49 <Humble> \o
12:17:55 <skoduri> typo
12:18:11 <ndevos> ?me uses small case irc commands
12:22:50 <skoduri> ndevos, okay
12:24:50 <Manikandan> I guess we are almost done
12:26:44 * Manikandan is waiting for rafi
12:26:50 <rafi> Manikandan: done
12:27:20 <Manikandan> #topic Open Floor
12:28:56 <rafi> I have one topic to bring
12:29:00 <Manikandan> About the bug automation workflow, the patch for the first task is here #link http://review.gluster.org/#/c/12822/ and have updated in ML as well
12:29:25 <Manikandan> rafi, always welcome :P
12:29:32 <rafi> i have an AI on community meeting  to setup a doodle poll for bug triage meeting
12:29:43 <rafi> the poll is to decide if a new time would allow more contributors to attend bug triages
12:29:59 <rafi> guys what do you think ?
12:30:06 <rafi> will it really help ?
12:30:44 <jiffin> rafi: we can hear it from community
12:30:56 <rafi> and what time would be the best
12:31:20 <rafi> jiffin: my concern is about the existing active members
12:31:29 <jiffin> Joejulian might be person who will be interested
12:31:46 <rafi> the new time should be aligned with them
12:31:53 * rafi it is my thought
12:32:02 <jiffin> rafi: thats right
12:32:16 <jiffin> ndevos, kkeithley_: ??
12:32:30 <rafi> ndevos: kkeithley_ what could be the ideal time for you ?
12:33:22 <ndevos> rafi: this works quite well for me
12:33:40 * Manikandan is fine with any timings :P
12:34:04 <rafi> ndevos: making it bit early will find a trouble for kkeithley_ , right ?
12:34:21 <ndevos> later works too, but we still would want to see you guys here :)
12:34:34 <ndevos> rafi: yeah, earlier will be difficult
12:34:52 <ndevos> also, if JoeJulian wants to join, it would need to be later
12:35:10 <kkeithley_> earlier is worse.  This half of the year, without daylight savings, this time is on the edge of workable
12:35:45 <ndevos> it is hard to make sense out of kkeithley_ on early phone calls :D
12:35:46 <rafi> kkeithley_: coool
12:35:51 <Manikandan> kkeithley_, hard for you
12:36:25 <rafi> ndevos: we need kkeithley_ full brain for this meeting ;) :D
12:36:34 <kkeithley_> it's hard for me to make sense too.
12:36:39 <kkeithley_> lol
12:36:43 <Manikandan> lol
12:36:44 <ndevos> I dont doubt that, kkeithley_
12:37:06 <kkeithley_> is there ever a time when you get my full brain? /me doesn't think so. ;-)
12:37:15 * ndevos tries not to join meeting before 9:00
12:37:59 <ndevos> I dont think we want your full brain anyway, that'll be very confusing to us too
12:39:18 * rafi thinks about a movie
12:39:29 <rafi> lucy
12:39:30 <jiffin> there is one action on lalatenduM in the agenda , how should we deal with that ndevos , kkeithley_, rafi, Manikandan, skoduri?
12:39:40 <rafi> ndevos: kkeithley_ : I will set up a poll which starts from 12:00UTC, and four option each with 1/2 hour interval
12:40:04 <rafi> Manikandan: jiffin ndevos kkeithley_ skoduri : does that make sense ?
12:40:13 <ndevos> rafi: sure
12:40:15 <Manikandan> #topic lalatenduM will look into using nightly builds for automated testing, and will report issues/success to the mailinglist
12:40:17 <jiffin> rafi: +1
12:40:23 <skoduri> rafi, works for me too
12:40:32 <Manikandan> rafi, fine :-)
12:40:43 <rafi> i think the interndention was to get more people dfrom bangalore
12:41:04 <rafi> *intention
12:41:12 <ndevos> rafi: if that is the case, we can leave kkeithley_ sleeping
12:41:41 <ndevos> rafi: so, before 12:00 UTC could work well too
12:41:57 <kkeithley_> Yes, make it easy/easier for more people in bangalore.  If I decide to skip sleeping that's my problem
12:42:45 <ndevos> and mine, you'll make stupid mistakes
12:42:51 <rafi> okey I will put an option before 12UTC also
12:43:20 <rafi> should we make a not saying that "those who cast the vore, should try to attend the meeting"
12:43:27 <rafi> ndevos: kkeithley_ ^
12:43:34 <rafi> *vote
12:43:44 <Manikandan> rafi, that would be bit ambitious i guess :P
12:43:59 <ndevos> rafi: of course, if we notice people voting but not attending, we can scratch their opinion
12:44:41 <rafi> i don't want to change it bit early to those who are not going to attend, we are sacrificing an active member :)
12:44:53 <Manikandan> ndevos, rafi, yeah that could be a better option
12:45:07 <rafi> coool
12:45:21 <rafi> I will set up a meeting and will try to make a conclusion
12:45:37 <rafi> before making a conclusion we can decide based on the resilt
12:45:41 <rafi> that's all from me
12:45:44 <Manikandan> rafi, cool
12:45:56 <Manikandan> Any other topic to discuss?
12:46:22 <ndevos> rafi: just remember to include in the email that this meeting is only for the bugs that were not triaged by the component maintainers/teams yet ;-)
12:46:38 <ndevos> like, a safety net
12:46:51 <ndevos> Manikandan: yes one more thing!
12:46:56 <Manikandan> ndevos, ?
12:46:57 <rafi> ndevos: sure, I will include the doc also
12:47:22 <jiffin> there is one action item still pending on lalatenduM in the agenda , how should we deal with that ndevos , kkeithley_, rafi, Manikandan, skoduri?
12:47:23 <ndevos> Manikandan: when people file bugs (specially developers and QE), they should immediately triage the bugs
12:48:00 <Manikandan> ndevos, should we send a mail to remind it?
12:48:14 <jiffin> or should we remove that item from the agenda?
12:48:27 <ndevos> Manikandan: maybe, but it was mainly a reminder for you ;-)
12:48:59 <ndevos> jiffin: depends on the item, but we might want to find someone else to do it?
12:49:05 <Manikandan> Yeah I saw the bug, will do it
12:50:14 * ndevos does not have anything else
12:50:49 <Manikandan> rafi, jiffin, skoduri, kkeithley_ ashiq anything else?
12:51:25 <skoduri> none from me
12:51:35 <rafi> we should do some kind of promotional function to make bug triage more popular
12:52:12 <jiffin> ndevos: now we are not conducting nightly builds , so can we remove that item
12:52:14 <rafi> like announcing prizes for most triage's
12:52:15 <ndevos> rafi: that could help, but ideally all bugs are triaged without a meeting :)
12:52:37 <ndevos> jiffin: we want nightly builds again, it's just broken at the moment
12:52:37 <jiffin> from the list
12:52:43 <jiffin> ndevos: K
12:52:59 <jiffin> ndevos: anyone looking into that?
12:53:07 <ndevos> jiffin: I dont think so
12:53:13 <jiffin> :(
12:53:49 <rafi> when more number of people are attending the meeting , it could be more fun to triage
12:53:53 <ndevos> jiffin: I get daily emails that it fails, after the re-securing of download.gluster.org, that needs some infrastructure solution
12:54:25 <Manikandan> rafi, yeah it would be good
12:54:45 <rafi> Manikandan: you still left 6 mnts to complete ;)
12:54:47 <ndevos> rafi: still, users file bugs, and we should respond to users as soon as possible, a weekly interval isnt optimal
12:55:10 <rafi> ndevos: agreed
12:55:31 <rafi> ndevos: what about making the default assignee for a competent as mandatory
12:55:49 <rafi> ndevos: so that they will get a notification, right ?
12:56:08 <ndevos> rafi: its not so easy to maintain that, hence the AI skoduri and I have to describe how people get the emails
12:56:33 <ndevos> rafi: triaging can be done by anyone, it does not need to be the component owner (which should be a team)
12:57:04 <rafi> ndevos: well ya, I fear people are not so concerning about upstream :(
12:57:22 <Manikandan> We have 3 more minutes to complete the meeting
12:57:38 <ndevos> rafi: that is very frightening if those people are open source developers
12:58:37 <rafi> ndevos: Do you think gluster community is not reconginizing the brightest contributors/users/participant ?
12:59:20 <ndevos> rafi: hmmm, not sure, maybe you should check with amye about that
12:59:59 <rafi> ndevos: well i was just looking for the reason
12:59:59 <ndevos> rafi: I think she's in your office next week or so, make sure you talk to her about it
13:00:23 <ndevos> rafi: it is not something I ever thought about :)
13:00:46 <rafi> ndevos: I would be glad to meet her, though fear to talk ;)
13:01:36 * jiffin recollects rafi's fear in talking with managers
13:02:00 <ndevos> rafi: never fear to talk to people, if they dont like it, well, *shrug* and leave them with their own thoughts :)
13:03:04 <ndevos> thanks Manikandan for hosting the meeting!
13:03:04 <rafi> ndevos: jiffin : well it is not about managers, I would like to be more optimistic
13:03:25 <rafi> Manikandan: let'us conclude the meeting
13:03:51 <Manikandan> jiffin, or anyone, anything else?
13:04:00 <kkeithley_> not from me
13:04:15 <jiffin> nothing form me
13:04:19 <jiffin> s/form/from/
13:04:30 <rafi> one more thing
13:04:38 <Manikandan> rafi, ?
13:04:52 <ndevos> ah, moderator for next week?
13:04:54 <Manikandan> ndevos, no problem :)
13:04:54 <rafi> can we take decide who is going to host next meeting at the end of every meeting ?
13:04:58 * ndevos will be on holidays
13:05:14 <ndevos> good thinking rafi!
13:05:39 <rafi> I don't like running for a person at the very last moment
13:05:54 <Manikandan> Anyone volunteering ?^
13:06:09 <rafi> Manikandan: today was good start
13:06:23 <rafi> Manikandan: Do you want more expreince ;)?
13:06:35 <Manikandan> rafi, ahh sure :P
13:06:52 <ndevos> thanks Manikandan!
13:07:00 <rafi> Manikandan++
13:07:03 <Manikandan> ndevos, np :-)
13:07:12 <rafi> we should a bot also next time
13:07:14 <rafi> :)
13:07:21 <rafi> *bring
13:07:54 * Manikandan feels it would be better cash instead of bot :P
13:07:54 <ndevos> rafi: ask JoeJulian to get glusterbot in here :)
13:08:18 <Manikandan> So shall we end the meeting?
13:08:20 <rafi> sure, I will take that responsibility
13:08:21 <ndevos> zodbot hands out cookies if people register their IRC nick in their Fedora account
13:08:33 <rafi> sure
13:08:35 <ndevos> zodbot: karma ndevos
13:08:36 <zodbot> ndevos: Karma for devos has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times this release cycle for a total of 0 (3 all time)
13:08:56 <Manikandan> #endmeeting