02:10:31 <semiosis> #startmeeting
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02:10:35 <Technicool> really really quick start is the same, but with pretty much no detail whatsoever
02:10:55 <Technicool> ah, i was forgoing the startmeeting due to our low attendance
02:11:00 <semiosis> oops
02:11:00 <Technicool> let me recap
02:11:10 <Technicool> so, important note for next week then, the meeting slot is being moved to 9:00AM PST
02:11:10 <Technicool> on Wednesday
02:11:20 <Technicool> this to accommodate global schedules etc
02:11:20 <Technicool> "New" documentation out this week -
02:11:20 <Technicool> http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/QuickStart
02:11:20 <Technicool> http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Getting_started_overview
02:11:20 <Technicool> http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Getting_started_rrqsg
02:11:21 <Technicool> so, these are three different ways to get to the same place essentially
02:11:23 <Technicool> Quick start has everything to get a basic setup going all on one page
02:11:26 <Technicool> et voila
02:11:32 <semiosis> thx for teh recap
02:11:36 <Technicool> lol
02:11:44 <semiosis> ooh i'm the chair... who let that happen
02:11:52 <Technicool> wanted to make sure noone out there missed anything amidst the clamor
02:12:23 * semiosis yields the floor to Technicool
02:12:24 <Technicool> its a democratic system in which whoever types #startmeeting first is the almighty power
02:13:40 <Technicool> the Getting Started overview is the finalized draft of the more detailed but horrendous looking walk through i originally posted
02:14:52 <Technicool> now that it is in place, the next articles I am working on will be for UFO and Geo-Rep
02:15:31 <semiosis> excellent, thank you
02:15:46 <semiosis> these guides are badly needed
02:15:56 <Technicool> depending on what comes down the pipeline by that point, it would be either Hadoop Plugin or Marker Framework (which I am personally very excited about)
02:16:02 <Technicool> yes, agreed!
02:16:36 <Technicool> once those are in place, that will cover most of the basic and advanced functionality
02:17:17 <Technicool> I am omitting things like quota and profile since they are less requested
02:17:38 <Technicool> if need arises, then those would go into place but want to make sure the meaty stuff is in place first
02:17:56 <Technicool> I had been keeping loose track of article ideas here:
02:18:20 <Technicool> http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/HowTos
02:18:48 <Technicool> Do you think a weekly email to the user and devel lists would be helpful?
02:19:24 <Technicool> ultimately, we want people from the community to be writing the articles and have them get vetted
02:20:06 <semiosis> i'm afraid my opinion on this would be too cynical :/
02:20:37 <Technicool> its ok, with my cynicism in place at the same time, the two negatives make a postive
02:20:55 <semiosis> my focus would be totally on just getting anyone to write anything about their use of glusterfs
02:21:06 <semiosis> without regard for "howtos" or "vetting"
02:21:18 <Technicool> that would be great actually
02:21:23 <semiosis> once people are involved we can steer toward specific content & improve quality
02:21:51 <Technicool> my focus in the short term is to get these types of guides out to help ease the pain of getting up to speed initially
02:22:07 <semiosis> thats very important
02:22:20 <semiosis> i see the vetting as a long term goal
02:22:23 <semiosis> at best
02:22:36 <Technicool> but i think if the long term goal is adoption, then having a set of "here is a bona fide success story" gets the more experienced users interested
02:23:13 <semiosis> johnmark has mentioned syndicating other's blog posts about glusterfs
02:23:41 <semiosis> perhaps we could extend that to syndicate or publish, as needed
02:23:54 <semiosis> and really step up the encouragement to get people to write something
02:24:06 <Technicool> he would have to confirm, but I am assuming that is on hold until we buckle down and choose what to do about the actual infrastructure long term
02:24:51 <semiosis> there's a handful of regulars in #gluster who have interesting setups, i think if we gave them a little push (and maybe some fun incentive, like a tshirt or something) they would take a couple hours to write a couple pages
02:25:14 <Technicool> i think that syndication is a great idea, I want to make sure that people have the autonomy to post on their own blogs
02:26:01 <semiosis> i think there are some people who'd rather just send in the text & be happier to not be bothered with setting up a blog themselves
02:26:22 <Technicool> i had spoken to some people about this - at the risk of sounding like a "gamification evangelist", how valuable would you think something like a 3 months subscription to {minecraft,runescape,wow,etc} would be?
02:26:55 <semiosis> hats/t-shirts & coffee mugs are the way to go imho :)
02:27:00 <Technicool> what i would love to see is use being a broker for whatever works best for users
02:27:30 <Technicool> so, the existing bloggers get what they need, and the people who don't want to be bothered do as well
02:28:43 <Technicool> personally, I'd be happy to edit any articles of that sort people would want to send in, assuming there aren't so many that it time vampires me to undeath
02:29:06 <semiosis> not likely
02:29:13 <Technicool> lol
02:29:36 <Technicool> noted about the t-shirt/mug preference
02:29:51 <Technicool> i just like to think outside the swag box, but im not one to complain too much about free anything
02:30:11 <Technicool> at linuxcon they gave skateboards to the speakers, first time i had seen that
02:30:33 <Technicool> ok, so that covers doc's and then some
02:31:46 <semiosis> re: the "actual infrastructure long term" you mentioned, are there zodbot miinutes i can read to catch up on that, or can you give me a few quick bullet points?
02:32:15 <Technicool> next issue will need to wait until next week I think since it's just you and I, but we are trying to finalize requirements for the "new" infrastructure
02:32:38 <Technicool> there are, lemme see if they were forwarded to the list or not
02:34:07 <Technicool> I see johnmark forwarded them out on the 16th but that was the only one I saw
02:34:44 <semiosis> found it, thx
02:35:07 <Technicool> #action Technicool to confirm final resting place of meeting minutes and get them posted to the wiki weekly will whispered weakly
02:37:33 <Technicool> it is looking like at least MediaWiki appears to be one part of the cream rising to the top if for no other reason than it is so widely adopted
02:39:47 <Technicool> jdarcy has been traveling quite a bit recently, once his schedule calms down a bit he will share some updates on developer documentation
02:40:43 <semiosis> great, looking forward to that
02:40:47 <Technicool> I can share at least one awesome thing that he mentioned at linuxcon, he is working on something called "Glupy" or "Gloopie" or "Glue Pie"  whichever way you want to say it
02:41:06 <Technicool> it is a python hook into the xlator framework
02:42:30 <Technicool> IIRC, it will still make some use of the existing C code but will work mostly (if not entirely) like an API to allow the rapid prototyping that python is so well suited for
02:43:42 <Technicool> he gave a great example of a translator written in both C and Glupy - the end result was the same, a quick implementation of negative lookup caching for PHP (or whatever)
02:44:08 <semiosis> i heard about glupy it sounds pretty awesome
02:44:14 <Technicool> in both cases, the speed was something like twice what it would be without any translator of the sort
02:45:28 <Technicool> the comparison between C and python was something negligible, within tenths of a second i think, but with the reduced time to test and implement in python the benefits were obvious
02:46:20 <Technicool> i think having that in place, and clear examples like how caching a negative lookup can save you thousands on your car insurance are both great ways to get a larger dev base involved
02:47:19 <Technicool> so, thank you all so much for attending, I don't have time to speak to each of you individually afterwards but their is probably free coffee in whatever breakroom you go to at your offices
02:47:33 <semiosis> thx Technicool!
02:48:06 <Technicool> no no, thank you!  This would have been so embarrassing to do if NOONE had showed up ;)
02:48:20 <semiosis> ha!
02:48:32 <Technicool> #endmeeting
02:48:37 <Technicool> oops
02:48:47 <Technicool> you are the est'md chairfloorperson
02:49:11 <semiosis> #endmeeting