14:12:45 #startmeeting 14:12:46 Meeting started Sun Jan 31 14:12:45 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:12:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:12:53 #chair spevack RodrigoPadula dgilmore 14:12:54 Current chairs: RodrigoPadula dgilmore mchua spevack 14:17:53 I'm pulling together a list of the pages/resources we have right now, so you folks have a list of things from which to work. 14:18:15 (It's a temporary hack - these pages need to be properly linked to each other and categorized and whatnot - but I'm just dumping all the links into one section of the Events FAD page for now.) 14:19:33 mchua, ok 14:24:44 * spevack does a bit of editing of the main FUDCon Santiago page 14:24:55 and start working up a list of questions for Rodrigo 14:25:57 RodrigoPadula: does Antonio Salles call himself Sebastian? Why is that the name you have listed? 14:25:58 spevack: I'm still cleaning up links (and fixing typos) but https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010#Pages_we.27ve_worked_on is a handy dandy reference list, mostly pulled from your email right now. 14:26:37 Antonio Sebastian Salles 14:26:53 asalles en el IRC 14:27:21 Sebá para nosotros :-) 14:29:33 RodrigoPadula: http://www.ucentral.cl/prontus_ucentral/site/edic/base/port/inicio.html 14:29:37 this is the right university? 14:30:20 yep 14:30:43 Sebastian works for Red Hat in chile 14:31:16 and he is responsible by the local fedora team and the LUG UCENTUX in the Universidad Central 14:33:26 * mchua will be lurking and working on other FAD stuff, but ping if needed (particularly if we need to quickly revise any of the docs you're using for reference). 14:35:54 0/g 2 14:36:19 RodrigoPadula: here's the first thing that you can do: 14:36:35 Remind me EXACTLY what the possible dates you are thinking about for FUDCon are, and then let's figure out how to decide 14:37:09 The idea is to realize the FUDCOn one week before or after fisl 14:37:20 right -- so how will we decide which one? 14:37:39 based on Budget 14:37:49 and the people that are interested to attend 14:37:55 specially from USA/Europe 14:38:10 people that will be supported with our budget 14:38:20 when is fisl? 14:38:28 21 - 24 July 14:39:09 where is the website for FISL? 14:39:11 so we can link to it> 14:41:17 http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/10/www/ 14:41:29 10 was last year? 14:41:53 so, they haven't officially announced those dates of 21 - 24 July yet? 14:42:01 how can we be 100% sure? 14:42:05 the site is under construction 14:42:07 yes, but they haven't removed anything 14:42:08 ok 14:42:13 but the official announcemente was published 14:42:34 So we need to do FUDCon 17-19 July, IMHO 14:42:53 http://softwarelivre.org/portal/comunidade/definida-a-data-do-forum-internacional-software-livre-2010 14:43:23 then people can travel on 20 July, and still get to FISL on time. 14:43:53 what do you think, RodrigoPadula 14:45:14 I think we can do 14-16 or 29-31 14:45:41 what will people do with all the time in between? 14:46:02 help to finish the other event ? 14:46:36 we need some days between to fix any problem 14:47:16 You are hoping that people will go to BOTH FUDCon and FISL, right? 14:47:38 some people , sure 14:47:42 And you think that someone who comes to one of those two events will want to hang out for 4 days or 5 days until the next one starts? I think the person will go home :) 14:47:53 as I told you, July is vacations month in Latam 14:48:45 Are there any dates from the University that are good or bad? Do they care when we have FUDCon? 14:48:57 yes 14:49:18 because is very complicated to do the event during the week by example 14:49:24 RodrigoPadula: let me put it this way -- anyone from USA/Europe who comes will not be able to wait 4 or 5 days between FUDCon and FISL, I think. dgilmore what do you think? 14:49:31 when the students are in the university using all the infra 14:49:53 RodrigoPadula: if it is complicated to do it during the week, why are you suggesting 14-16, which is Wednesday - Friday? 14:50:14 the FISL for example is very tiring 14:50:36 during the week when people is using the infra 14:50:45 July they will be in vacations 14:52:15 do you think the wiki page needs to be written in Spanish? 14:52:31 or is english ok? 14:52:32 spevack: While i would need to either travel and stay at someones house or stay in a hotel for extra time. i could work from there. however that all means extra cost. whihc probably means going to only one 14:52:50 I think we can write in english 14:53:06 I will provide info in portuguese and spanish to our local lists 14:53:07 spevack: I think it should be written in english. maybe with portugese and spanish translations 14:53:16 giving all orientations 14:54:28 spevack, I have to know we will organise something like the last years for FISL 14:54:42 so, if we will invite people from USA to attend FISL 14:54:52 and invite people to attend FUDCon 14:55:12 will be more cheap to invite the same people to come and stay for 2 events 14:56:06 the local people will pay by extra time 14:56:27 We will support only people from USA that come to attend the 2 events 14:56:44 RodrigoPadula: what makes the weekend better for the university than during the week if they are closed on vacations? 14:57:05 they are not completely closed 14:58:00 the Latam universities works normally all the year from Monday to Friday 14:58:23 RodrigoPadula: doing 3 days means we are on one week day 14:59:20 the idea is to realize the event from Thursday to Saturday 14:59:23 RodrigoPadula: let me ask you a question. 14:59:31 like all events in Brazil and Latam 14:59:47 Can you get Sebastian here, since he is the University Guy, to tell us what dates are 100% best for the university? 14:59:48 that starts on Wednesday or thursday and goes until Saturday 15:00:06 I had that conversation with him 15:00:16 RodrigoPadula: i think 17-19 would be good 15:01:04 RodrigoPadula: a few minutes ago you said 14-16 july 15:01:08 now you said thursday - saturday 15:01:10 which is 15 - 17 15:01:39 ops.. 15 - 17 15:01:42 my bad 15:02:32 Monday and Sunday are not good days for events :-) 15:03:20 RodrigoPadula: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010#Location 15:04:18 RodrigoPadula: also, finish filling out your registration, so we can see if it makes sense ;) 15:04:29 ok 15:04:36 I will talk with Sebastian again 15:04:44 and with the people that are interested to attend 15:04:57 RodrigoPadula: I think we should all talk to him together 15:05:17 ok 15:06:31 So, we need to schedule a meeting with him 15:06:51 Tomorrow I will try to talk with him 15:06:58 or, you can send one email 15:07:27 asalles@redhat.com 15:10:09 spevack, do you have idea of the amount of budget that we will have disponible for FISL and for FUDCon ? 15:10:55 RodrigoPadula: do you have an idea of how much budget RH LATAM is going to provide first? 15:11:05 Then we will provide the rest? 15:11:12 RodrigoPadula: where is your budget plan for FY11? 15:11:33 YOU are in charge of Community in LATAM. You should have the budget plan that shows "I need $X from RH LATAM and $Y from CommArch" 15:12:18 the problem is: we dont have a budget form Latam defined by Martin 15:12:32 * for 15:12:42 * mchua /win 35 15:12:48 whoops. sorry, irssi slip. 15:13:29 I can't make a plan without budget 15:14:02 RodrigoPadula: i understand that. 15:14:34 But whe *I* need to make a plan, I don't say to my boss "how much budget can I have?" I *make a plan* and say "do you like this plan? If you do, then here is how much budget I need." 15:14:45 * mchua pokes head in. Could I request some QA for the stuff we're making for the FAD? 15:15:01 spevack, sure 15:15:09 It's meant to be a resource/guide for making FUDCons, so it might not be a bad idea to use it so y'all can tell me and ctyler what to fix, while we're still working on it. ;) 15:15:13 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process 15:15:22 but in all conversations that I have I received one "Talk to max about budget" 15:15:31 * I had 15:15:36 I'd say we're at the "Decision" point in your process, mchua 15:16:16 But RodrigoPadula until we have an idea of hotel costs, food costs, social event ideas -- it is *impossible* to have any fixed budget. 15:16:23 YOU HAVE RESEARCH TO DO. 15:16:31 THIS IS WHAT THE LOCAL TEAM OF PEOPLE IN CHILE IS SUPPOSED TO HELP YOU WITH 15:16:43 spevack, sur, but we need to have a number I think 15:16:50 like past year 15:16:57 spevack, RodrigoPadula: what would be helpful to myself and Chris, if you have time, is to walk through that schedule and talk about what that process will look like for FUDCon LATAM specifically. 15:17:44 mchua, ok 15:17:44 Such as: what do the FUDCon LATAM bids look like when put into the format specified in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process ? 15:17:47 (and does that format help?) 15:17:55 RodrigoPadula: you need to work out what you want to do what it will cost. then it can be evaluated and given a yes/no. the plans can then be adjusted to suit what comes back. 15:17:56 RodrigoPadula: well, if we're just going to make up numbers, why don't you make one up. you pick one :) 15:17:57 (the format: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process#Proposal_Process:) 15:18:42 I have all prices of hotels and air tickets 15:18:49 then why isn't it on the wiki page? 15:19:07 because it was created yesterday :-) 15:19:10 until you share what you already know in your head, we can't help you! :) 15:19:13 ...I know you haven't got a location yet, but after figuring out what #actions to line up to go through the decision process, walking through https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process#FUDcon_Team_General_Planning_Schedule and saying "what does this look like? who would do it?" for each bullet point would be really, really helpful. 15:20:57 mchua: you envision a list of cities, each of which provides a certain chunk of information? 15:22:13 spevack: Yes. 15:22:28 RodrigoPadula: i want to help you, but I don't understand *HOW* I can help you. 15:22:41 spevack: Well, as "upstream" for the FUDCon Planning Process, I'm less concerned with the individual cities data, and whether the process we've created is the right one. 15:22:50 I've been working on FUDCon LATAM stuff for an hour, and every single thing I've done is something that you could have already done yourself. 15:22:51 spevack: may I suggest something? 15:22:56 sure 15:23:13 mchua: i think the questions you ask in "proposal process" are great 15:23:21 and that RodrigoPadula should answer each one of them for Chile 15:24:07 I think I remember spevack saying, the other day, something like "when dgilmore and I talk with RodrigoPadula about FUDCon LATAM, the help we're going to be giving is 'we give resources for FUDCons via this process... how closely are you following the process, and how can we help you follow the process - or how can we fix the process, if it's broken?" 15:24:21 * mchua paraphrasing a lot, since I don't remember the exact wording. 15:24:38 right 15:24:58 So in my mind, the question about budget is a "look at the wiki page for process. Where do you get to the budget part? Are we at that point now, and have we fulfilled the prerequisites necessary to get to the budget part?" question. 15:25:15 RodrigoPadula: i think the very next thing that you should do is look at the questions https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process#Proposal_Process: 15:25:22 and produce the answers for Santiago 15:25:29 And if Chris and I have totally screwed up what the budget part should look like, and when it should be handled, then that's something you have to let us know so we can fix it. 15:25:36 because that is the first step of the "choosing a location" process, and we need that information first. 15:25:45 A lot of that information goes right on to the FUDCon Santiago page anyway. 15:25:51 Brasil -> Santiago US$420,00 15:25:51 Argentina -> Santiago US$160.00 15:25:51 Paraguay -> Santiago US$250.00 15:25:51 Peru -> Santiago US$240.00 15:25:51 Venezuela -> Santiago US$810.00 15:25:52 Mexico -> Santiago US$950.00 15:25:54 Raleigh USA -> Santiago $US1300.00 15:26:01 I found the spreadsheet 15:26:27 these are the costs for flights from many countries to Santiago - Chile in July 15:26:50 the hotel cost is ~US$120 single room 15:27:08 and US$160.00 double 15:28:47 RodrigoPadula: we should use double/triple sharing of rooms 15:28:49 RodrigoPadula, would you mind if I made a section on the FUDCon LATAM planning wiki page for this information (and put a link to "this information is from following the bid process" at the top) so we have an example of a FUDCon beginning to work through this process? 15:29:00 dgilmore, sure 15:29:06 Like in FISL we will do it 15:29:55 mchua, ok, I will read all the wiki and use it as reference 15:31:44 RodrigoPadula: Thanks. In the meantime, I'll start a section for the bid answers - I'll be back in a few minutes with a link, and then you can tell me whether it's ok. 15:32:01 mchua, ok 15:35:48 RodrigoPadula: another suggestion that I would recommend is that you have EVERY CONVERSATION with anyone related to FUDCon Santiago on the fudcon-planning list, or on IRC, and then you post the log to the list. 15:35:59 You should not have any more private conversations about FUDCon Santiago that don't get shared. 15:36:04 mchua: your thoughts on the above? 15:36:13 because it just makes information sharing so much harder. 15:36:19 spevack, ok, but some conversations are in portuguese and spanish 15:36:23 that's ok 15:36:29 we can still translate it and have some information 15:36:33 and that's better than zero information 15:36:50 spevack: i fully agree 15:37:06 ugese or spanish is fine 15:37:09 it will be complicated to do, but ok 15:37:24 RodrigoPadula: part of the issue we're having today, and part of the reason why I feel frustrated, is because I feel like I have no information, but yet I am expected to make decisions. 15:37:25 RodrigoPadula: portugese or spanish is fine on fudcon-planning 15:37:38 I'm not frustrated w/ you, Rodrigo. Just the situation. 15:37:39 :) 15:37:46 RodrigoPadula: why is it complicated? 15:38:04 You ask the FUDCon Chile folks -- starting with Sebastian -- to get on the fudcon-planning list, and you send your emails there. Not that hard :) 15:38:20 :-) is very hard to find people on IRC to talk 15:38:33 RodrigoPadula: then do it on email :) 15:38:33 so, many conversations is on our lists or by Gtalk 15:38:51 RodrigoPadula: which lists? 15:38:58 brasil and latam 15:39:08 * mchua looks up - I've got stub pages now 15:39:11 * mchua reading 15:39:20 but ok, I will do it here 15:39:33 RodrigoPadula: FUDCon things should move to fudcon-planning. talking in portugese or spanish is ok on there 15:39:52 RodrigoPadula: I agree with spevack's suggestion that all FUDCon LATAM conversations get logged here, and sent to list. In fact, that's something we may want to make a requirement in the FUDCon planning process itself. 15:39:56 Thanks for pointing that out. 15:39:58 I'll make that edit in a moment. 15:40:04 spevack, We started to create the wiki page yesterday, so all information will be added this week 15:40:22 RodrigoPadula: Oh - major wiki edits are also good things to announce to the fudcon-planning list, too. 15:40:32 * mchua adds that to "list of edits to make to the fudcon planning process" 15:40:52 RodrigoPadula: You've started doing that already, with your first announcement of the page the other day. 15:41:01 RodrigoPadula: is there anything else I can do for you today? 15:41:05 Which is great - so keep it up. :) 15:41:17 spevack: I've got something for you and RodrigoPadula to work on, actually 15:41:25 Sooo, I started stubs for the first part of the planning process. 15:41:27 Which is the bid process. 15:41:29 * mchua pulls up links 15:41:39 I think it's important to know the $$ of budget that we will have to work 15:41:42 for FISL and FUDCon 15:41:50 * mchua is getting to that 15:42:03 So, what I did - I went to the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010 page 15:42:13 and made a planning page - it's linked to from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010#Planning_team 15:42:21 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning 15:42:45 is the planning page. If you go there, you'll see that it links to the [[FUDCon organization process]] page 15:43:17 and basically is starting to be organized in a parallel structure, except with the sections being specific to this FUDCon instead of "here's how you do a FUDCon generally." 15:43:26 RodrigoPadula: well, FISL is a normal Fedora event. 15:43:34 It's a big one, but it's just a normal event. 15:43:40 Similar to FOSDEM. 15:43:55 Right, which is why I've just made this stuff for the FUDCon planning. 15:43:59 * mchua keeps on going 15:44:02 Our budget for FOSDEM is probably about $3,000 USD including swag, travel, booth, etc. 15:44:13 spevack, Ok 15:44:30 spevack: iow, "FISL is out of the scope of this conversation"? 15:44:36 spevack, that's Ok for FISL 15:44:43 So, for FUDCon... 15:44:59 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning has a section for bid process, which is the first part of "how to plan a FUDCon." 15:45:08 And I made a subpage for sanity. 15:45:11 If you want an initial estimate for FUDCon Santiago, I'd start with $10,000 USD and I'd ask to see your proposal with that amount. Depending on what you and the fudcon team come back with, we'll see if we need to raise it. 15:45:12 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning/Bid_process 15:45:27 spevack: I was about to ask you for that, actually :) 15:45:42 If you look at the link I just posted, it links to the [[FUDCon bid process]] page 15:45:49 and, again, basically just tries to follow it. 15:46:15 The first part of the bid process is an RFP - and I believe that's spevack, but I'm not sure where our RFP for this FUDCon is. 15:46:25 RodrigoPadula: if you say "we will spend $2,000 USD on a Fedora ski day", I will say "that is a bad idea" :D 15:46:49 spevack, no, it will be extra 15:46:57 RodrigoPadula: i'm just joking 15:47:03 :-) 15:47:06 i know you won't spend our budget on skiing :) 15:47:09 spevack: "CommArch shall make known via the FUDcon-planning mailing list the estimated available budget for a FUDcon, and the preferred date(s) for a region. This announcement shall occur at least 12 months prior to the preferred dates announced." 15:47:14 is what we have for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process#Initial_RFP 15:47:31 ...now, for this FUDCon, we may have to make an exemption for some of the deadlines outlined in our planning. 15:47:39 It's free software, not free beer or free skiing :-) 15:47:41 mchua: yeah, i think we will 15:47:43 That's ok, but we should keep track of those diffs so that they're clear. 15:48:09 or maybe the process needs to be tweaked - ie instead of dates - date range, quarter, etc. 15:48:16 ke4qqq: good point. 15:48:28 Ok, with a number is better to organize the ideas and study all possibilities 15:48:32 spevack, RodrigoPadula: you may notice there are two sections to this page 15:48:42 and one needs to be done by spevack and one needs to be done by RodrigoPadula 15:48:42 the idea of that fudcon is to increase the RPMDEV group 15:48:50 (according to the process that we have) 15:49:00 so, we will initially support the people that are working there 15:49:06 RodrigoPadula: your section is the "Proposal Process" section. 15:49:28 mchua: ok, i'll fill out my section 15:49:44 and I'm thinking to help one contributor from each country 15:49:47 RodrigoPadula: I linked to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process#Proposal_Process in your section on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning/Bid_process 15:50:11 RodrigoPadula: and copy-pasted the template for one city - so if you can fill that in for Santiago, that would be great. 15:50:15 it's very important to share experiences 15:50:34 If we have bids/data from cities other than Santiago, those should go there too, but it sounds like there may just be one major bid (Santiago) right now. 15:50:37 And that's ok. 15:51:33 RodrigoPadula: Yep - very important to share experiences. Which is why I (and spevack, I think) are saying things like "we should talk on the fudcon-planning list" or "we should have all conversations in this channel, and log them" 15:51:45 RodrigoPadula: because we also need to share experiences among planners of FUDCons. 15:52:09 sure 15:52:37 last year the FUDCon was organized in a hurry 15:52:49 and we didnt publicated a lot of info 15:53:10 this FAD is helping a lot to organize the process 15:53:15 * mchua nods 15:53:19 Well, that's what we hoped :) 15:53:28 I mean, I remember having a hard time with FUDCon Toronto 15:53:42 and that was with Paul and Chris doing the vast majority of the work, and me mostly following along. 15:53:43 startgin by the infor organization and decisions 15:53:57 Yep. 15:54:19 last year I've organized the Latam FUDcon alone! 15:54:28 Well, the hope of this FAD (at least for me) is that we come out with a process - that's really well documented - that can guide just about any Fedora contributor through making a good FUDCon happen. 15:54:35 RodrigoPadula: yikes. I... can't even imagine what that's like. 15:54:48 * mchua was pretty dead after organizing 1/3rd of FUDCon Toronto 15:55:06 (well, by "pretty dead" I mean "I went home and slept for 9 hours, which is a lot for me") 15:55:11 (but in my book, that's "Mel is very tired") 15:55:13 Me, myself and Ireneless :-) 15:55:22 * mchua needs to see that movie 15:55:29 :-) 15:56:13 and I was responsible by the Red Hat participation too 15:56:26 Ok - I'm going to pop out of this conversation for a few minutes to put the edits we came up with (the notes that we should be using the fudcon-planning list, and this IRC channel, and such) into the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process page that Chris and I are working on, I'll be back in a few minutes. 15:56:28 booth for Fedora... booth for red hat... stuffs for Red hat and for fedora 15:56:41 RodrigoPadula, spevack: I'll ping you when I'm back, ping me if you finish your sections first 15:56:57 Ok 15:57:06 I will read and work on it now 15:57:16 So, where I have to start ? 15:57:49 readind... and later writing 15:58:35 RodrigoPadula: Yep - your section is on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning/Bid_process 15:58:43 the "proposal process" section 15:58:46 RodrigoPadula: it is also important to realize the FUDcon and FISL are two separate things 15:58:49 RodrigoPadula: i think it would be good for you to read over the planning pages created this weekend and ask any questions you come up with 15:58:52 maybe some people will attend both 15:59:05 and maybe we will have a section of the FUDCon page that says "tips for people who are also going to FISL" 15:59:10 spevack, sure, I have it in mind 15:59:12 but we MUST organize the events separately 15:59:17 RodrigoPadula: good, i'm glad we agree 15:59:42 dgilmore: Yeah, I think that at the end of this meeting we should all step back and look at all the process pages, and which ones we've worked through, and hear what RodrigoPadula's plan is for working through the rest (and giving feedback on the fudcon-planning list) 16:00:00 and I will work to request local budget for FISL and FUDCon and we can try to save your budget 16:00:05 but right now, RodrigoPadula's looking at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process#Proposal_Process for filling out https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning/Bid_process. 16:00:12 * mchua really goes to work on that page with Chris now 16:01:42 before the brazilian carnaval! 16:02:16 Brazilians starts to work hard only after it :-) 16:02:33 Feb 12-17 16:05:30 hey, yn1v - I'll try to find you the backlog so you can catch up. 16:05:56 yn1v: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-planning/2010-01-31/fudcon-planning.2010-01-31-14.12.log.txt is the long, long log. 16:06:04 yn1v: but the shorter version... 16:06:23 is that we're testing out the FUDCon planning process we've designed at the Events FAD (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) 16:06:29 with Rodrigo, for FUDCon LATAM. 16:06:51 (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010) 16:07:21 yn1v: so we're making https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning a place to work through https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process 16:07:43 yn1v: and the first part of that is working through the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning/Bid_process 16:07:46 lots of things to read :) 16:07:53 yn1v: and that last page is what spevack and RodrigoPadula are working on right now. 16:08:10 yn1v: yeah :) but the most important right now to catch up on what's going on are the last two links. 16:08:13 The rest are mostly for context. 16:16:34 mchua, what is CommArch ? 16:17:57 yn1v, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommArch 16:17:58 spevack: ^^ :) 16:18:22 thanks 16:32:51 yn1v: in other words, CommArch == "so, Mel, Max, Karsten, Greg... what do you do at Red Hat, exactly?" 16:33:53 mchua, thanks. Now I know 16:35:26 spevack, RodrigoPadula: how's it going? 16:36:32 mchua, I'm reading all documents first :-) 16:37:11 and thinking before write, first I have to think in portuguese :-) 16:37:42 yessir. :) 16:40:00 * mchua committed our patch - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process#Communications 16:49:22 * RodrigoPadula thinks that we need to update the channel subject 16:59:22 Hm. Who's an op? 16:59:34 asalles, estas?? 16:59:42 aca 16:59:45 holas 16:59:54 estavamos hablando acerca de la fecha 17:00:10 ok. post fisl? 17:00:27 stickster: o mighty channel op, can haz change topic? 17:00:53 * mchua waves to asalles - thanks for joining us! 17:00:53 y yo estava hablando que seria mejor algo como 1 semana antes 17:00:56 o una semana despues 17:01:11 hola asalles 17:01:16 hola hola 17:01:21 15-17 o 28-30 17:01:27 primera semana de agosto? 17:01:29 pues son vacaciones aca 17:01:33 July 17:01:57 de manera que personas puedan viajar para FISL y en sequencia para Santiago o o contrario 17:02:22 ojo que en esa fecha la ucentral va a estar cerrada por vacaciones 17:02:28 el 15 salen de vacaciones 17:02:28 creo que domingo y lunes no sean buenos dias como recomendado por Max 17:02:52 queadar completamente cerrada ? 17:03:01 no, no completamente 17:03:02 los chicos me dicieran q seria la mejor fecha 17:03:12 pues la infra quedaria libre 17:03:21 15 a 17 sería bueno, podría arreglar el tema en la universidad 17:03:33 pero 28-30 dudo que sea bueno 17:03:46 puede hablar con ellos entonces para saber la mejor fechar ? 17:03:56 * fecha 17:05:11 asalles: What dates work best for the university? 17:06:27 ok, yo veo eso 17:06:29 vea se es mejor mantener Julio o cambiamos a otro mes entonces 17:06:37 no habría problema a primera vista 17:06:44 vea exatamente que mes seria el mejor 17:06:49 la mejor fecha sería julio 15-7 o sino en agosto 17:06:55 tanto para los embajadores locales, para usted y para la universidad 17:06:58 asalles: will 16-18 work or 17-19? 17:07:37 16-17-18 i think is the best but i need to talk to university 17:08:05 Domingo ? 17:08:16 sip 17:08:20 creo que no es un buen dia para eventos 17:08:23 por eso, tengo que preguntar mañana en la universidad 17:08:23 asalles: :) awesome, please do and let usknow on fudcon-planing@lists.fedoraproject.org 17:08:32 siempre tuve problemas con esta fechar 17:08:46 el publico y la participacion es siempre muy pequeña en los domingos 17:08:58 partir un jueves es complicado 17:09:32 porque no habría mucho quorum 17:09:45 teneremos un publico especifico 17:09:51 que horario es? 17:09:53 y la idea de la FUDCOn es mas los embajadores 17:09:57 todo el dia 17:10:04 ok, entiendo 17:10:16 la participacion externa es bienvenida 17:10:28 pero el foco es fedora y los muchachos que ya trabajam alla 17:10:36 si, entiendo 17:10:37 mira, mañana voy a preguntar en la universidad la disponibilidad de infraestructura para ésas fechas y horarios 17:10:47 Ok 17:10:56 y vea la possibilidad de otras fechas 17:11:05 es posible que esté reservado para algun otro evento, asi que tengo que realizar lobby 17:11:05 em otros meses y que pensa la universidad acerca 17:11:15 ;-) 17:11:19 ;) 17:11:42 seria muy important organizarmos una reunion con todos los embajadores activos de chile 17:11:47 esta semana 17:12:07 es cosa de mandar un correo con tiempo 17:12:12 RodrigoPadula: The idea of a fudcon is to bring Users and developers together 17:12:13 porque acá en chile estamos en vacaciones 17:12:20 RodrigoPadula: its not just about ambasadors 17:12:22 muchos están sin pc, desconectados del mundo 17:12:30 dgilmore, sure 17:12:37 RodrigoPadula: we want the general community to come and learn about fedora 17:12:41 but the focus is to produce something 17:12:55 RodrigoPadula: there is no single focus 17:13:00 I think... that FUDCon need a more teach focus 17:13:06 RodrigoPadula: A FAD is single focus 17:13:14 a FUDCon has multiple 17:13:15 because is that we need to improve in our local community 17:13:45 Teaching is a big part of it. 17:13:53 sure 17:14:04 teaching tech issues :-) 17:14:12 But that teaching should cover from new users to new contributors to seasoned users and contributors 17:14:31 do you remember de last fudcon latam ? 17:14:32