23:00:28 <lorip> #startmeeting
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23:00:37 <suzanne> I like saying Hello, so Hello Everyone!
23:00:40 <heidie> I'm not familiar with not saying hello.  I usually say something to "ping" someong.
23:00:42 <heidie> :-)
23:00:56 <lorip> Welcome everyone!  We are very excited that you are will be joining us for the POSSE workshop.
23:01:14 <heidie> Yes, we're looking forward to interacting with everyone and meeting them face-to-face.
23:01:27 <lorip> I just started a meet bot which will log our meeting.  The logs will be posted on the foss2serve wiki.
23:01:55 <heidie> Are you planning on pointing them to the agenda? http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1
23:02:05 <lorip> We have two items on our agenda for tonight.  The first is introductions.
23:02:20 <lorip> And as heidie just pointed out - our agenda is posted on the wiki
23:02:42 <lorip> The second is a quick overview of projects and to answer questions you might have.
23:02:48 <lorip> #topic introductions
23:03:07 <lorip> I will start and then if we can go through alphabetically that would be great.
23:03:32 <baochuanlu> hello
23:03:38 <lorip> My name is Lori Postner.  I am a member of the OpenFE team.  I teach at Nassau Community College in Long Island, NY.
23:04:09 <lorip> I have been involved with the OpenMRS project group.
23:04:16 <baochuanlu> I am Baochuan Lu a participant of this round of POSSE. I teach at Southwest Baptist University, Bolivar MO.
23:04:25 <darci> Hi all! My name is Darci Burdge and I am a member of the OpenFE team. I teach at NCC with lorip.
23:04:42 <lorip> hey darci, should I have people use the #info tag?
23:04:54 <EdMirielli> I am Ed Mirielli from Westminster College in fulton MO - this remids me of a chat on the old mainframes
23:04:55 <darci> Sure
23:05:17 <darci> #info Hi all! My name is Darci Burdge and I am a member of the OpenFE team. I teach at NCC with lorip.
23:05:25 <heidie> Yes, if you use the #info tag then whatever comes after #info shows up in the formatted notes.
23:05:40 <baochuanlu> #info I am Baochuan Lu a participant of this round of POSSE. I teach at Southwest Baptist University, Bolivar MO.
23:05:53 <EdMirielli> #info I am Ed Mirielli from Westminster College in fulton MO - this remids me of a chat on the old mainframes
23:06:05 <heidie> Guest49340: You may want to change your name using the /nick command :  /nick <newname>  at the beginning of the line
23:06:14 <lorip> hi Guest49340 - welcome - we are doing quick introductions
23:06:16 <joanna_kl> #info My name is Joanna Klukowska. I teach in NYU. This is my first time participating in POSSE.
23:06:42 <heidie> #info I'm Heidi Ellis and I'm one of the POSSE organizers.
23:06:48 <zsweedyk> #info I am Z Sweedyk from Harvey Mudd College.
23:06:56 * smoussavi Hi I am Shamsi Moussavi and this is the first time I am using IRC!!!
23:07:07 <heidie> Good for you shamsi!
23:07:13 <lorip> heidie - where do you teach?
23:07:31 <StevenCrain> #info I am Steven Crain, hailing from Plattsburgh State University, just about as far north as you can go in New York.
23:07:37 <johnrusso> #info I am John Russo.  I am a participant in this round.  I teach at Wentworth Institute of Technology in Boston.
23:07:39 <heidie> #info I teach at Western New England University in Springfield MA
23:07:42 <lynnlambert> #info I am Lynn Lambert. I teach at Christopher Newport University in Newport News, Virginia
23:07:47 <RobBryant> #info I'm Rob Bryant. I'm a prof. at Gonzaga Univ. in Spokane, WA
23:07:47 * smoussavi I teach at MassBay Community College is Wellesley MA
23:08:28 <lorip> suzanne, are you here?
23:08:30 <EdMirielli> so why is shamsi's notes prefixed with a * and in a different color?
23:08:36 <suzanne> #info My name is Suzanne Mello-Stark.  I teach at University of Rhode Island.
23:08:37 <rubyK> #info I am Ruby ElKharboutly. I teach at Quinnipiac University , Hamden, CT
23:08:47 <suzanne> Hi Darci, I’m here
23:08:58 <darci> Hi suzanne
23:08:59 <suzanne> Hi Lori
23:09:02 <heidie> For some reason, shamsi's input is coming in the "thought" mode.
23:09:17 <heidie> Usually this happens if you prefix a line with /me.  For example...
23:09:20 <EdMirielli> thanks heidie
23:09:31 * heidie wonders why Shamsi's text is in italics
23:09:44 <heidie> And it is usually used as an aside or to convey thought.
23:09:57 <heidie> But it could just be the client that Shamsi is using.
23:10:19 * lorip wondering has everyone introduced themselves?
23:10:46 <heidie> Note that there are a couple of folks just hanging in the channel.
23:10:57 <heidie> kevinbrown is a student at WNE.
23:11:11 <lorip> before moving on, any general questions about IRC or POSSE in general that we can answer?
23:11:21 <EdMirielli> just saw the  additional command items in the adenda...
23:11:23 <heidie> j*nie is a member of the GNOME Accessibility Team and willl hopefully be joining us in Raleigh.
23:11:30 * smoussavi I am using Colloquy on MAC with /me command
23:12:07 <heidie> So the /me command is usually only used when you want to convey a thought.
23:12:20 <heidie> When conveying something that you would say out loud, it typically isn't used.
23:12:27 * darci smiling
23:12:52 * EdMirielli lol
23:13:06 <lorip> #topic Stage 1 A
23:13:20 <lorip> any questions about the activities you have been working on?
23:13:35 <lorip> or general comments about them?
23:13:49 <EdMirielli> did the TOS sign in get fixed - was unable to check today
23:14:03 <heidie> I haven't heard back so I'm assuming not.
23:14:36 <StevenCrain> It still didn't work this afternoon.
23:14:45 <johnrusso> I did have a question about the IRC activity.  Were we supposed to just log 24 hours of activity or participate in some discussions?
23:14:55 <baochuanlu> I notices that the sections listed in 2.4 is out of sync with the actual document #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Intro_to_FOSS_Activity
23:15:06 <lorip> heidie - if you hear something back regarding TOS and cats, you'll send an email to the group, correct?
23:15:14 <heidie> Yes, I will.
23:15:25 <darci> johnrusso: yes, just log
23:15:52 <johnrusso> okay, good. I've already done that then!  I just have to write something up about it.
23:15:55 <darci> so that you could get a sense of the type of activity that is customary
23:15:59 <rubyK> For the IRC activity, I hanged out all day in foss2serve but didn't get much action to record
23:16:01 <heidie> And of course you can participate if you'd like. :-)
23:16:09 <RobBryant> Is it normal this channel is quite on Sundays?
23:16:26 <StevenCrain> Are all of the HFOSS projects vetted for being active? I've tried looking at Mifos, and its IRC channel seems pretty quiet.
23:16:28 <EdMirielli> i misunderstood the logging...
23:16:39 <heidie> This channel is normally relatively quiet because it is mostly profs like us.
23:17:01 <lorip> baochuanlu - you are correct, they have updated the wikipedia page - thanks for pointing that out
23:17:21 <baochuanlu> Thanks. In particular I couldn't find "Section 6 Development Philosophy".
23:17:35 <heidie> Discussion in IRC channels goes up and down depending on the activity of the project.
23:17:47 <darci> rubyK: I think you were supposed to select one of the HFOSS projects to log for 24 hours
23:18:28 <johnrusso> Yes, that is what I did.  I selected openmrs
23:18:32 <rubyK> I should find an HFOSS project IRC channel then.
23:18:42 <rubyK> Thanks Darci
23:19:03 <darci> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities
23:19:09 <lorip> StevenCrain the projects we've chosen have been active - I don't know specifically about Mifos and what is their typical mode of communication - heidie, do you know?
23:19:17 <darci> The HFOSS projects are listed on this page
23:19:22 <heidie> I'm not familiar with Mifos.
23:19:27 <smoussavi> How do you know the room info for an HFOSS?
23:19:29 <EdMirielli> Darci - Thanks for the clarifcation on the logging -- i need to do that...
23:19:37 <heidie> I do know that some groups have a separate channel for meetings.
23:19:37 * lorip looking into Mifos
23:20:15 <EdMirielli> #action EdMirielli needs to do his homework
23:20:20 <heidie> Another interesting channel to observe is #openhatch
23:20:26 <darci> smoussavi: you should find a link to the main page for each project on the foss2serve page I posted previously.
23:20:33 <heidie> OpenHatch is an organization that aims to get students involved in open source.
23:20:36 <StevenCrain> I found the room #mifos by searching the Web for "mifos freenode"
23:20:38 <rubyK> Great ! Thanks again
23:20:43 <heidie> And they have a fair bit of traffic.
23:21:02 <darci> smoussavi: from there you should be able to locate IRC channel info
23:21:06 <smoussavi> thanks. I didn't see it on the project's web site
23:21:22 <RobBryant> is it possible to be in more than 1 channel simultaneously?
23:21:27 <smoussavi> WIll try. Thanks
23:21:47 <EdMirielli> I am using hyrdaIRC and it preloaded a bunch of channels automatically -- how reliable are lists like this?
23:21:55 <darci> If you have any questions, just email one of use. We are happy to help!
23:22:01 <heidie> EdMirielli: no idea. :-)
23:22:06 <lorip> StevenCrain - I'm in there now and yes, it is not active - I'm wondering if they typically communicate through another means, perhaps a listserv
23:22:08 <johnrusso> Yes. I am using the Firefox add-on and have tabs for channels
23:22:24 <heidie> johnrusso: Yup, that is what I do.
23:22:35 <heidie> And I just keep my IRC window open pretty much any time I'm online.
23:22:37 <baochuanlu> Can we pick a project that is not on the list provided to us?
23:22:50 <StevenCrain> OK. I will just pick a different one for this activity.
23:22:58 <johnrusso> Is there a way to log activity when you are offline?
23:23:20 <heidie> baochuanlu: While we can't say "absolutely not", one of the goals is to grow a faculty community around existing projects/
23:23:26 <lorip> baochuanlu: for the IRC activity?
23:23:46 <heidie> baochuanlu: So that there is a group of fellow faculty members to collaborate with and ask questions about a specific project.
23:23:50 <lorip> #link http://mifos.org/resources/technical-resources/
23:24:11 <darci> baochuanlu: this allows faculty members to work together to develop activities for use in the classroom
23:24:20 <heidie> johnrusso: No. You can keep your machine on and log while you're away from the machine, but not while you're offline.
23:24:28 <heidie> johnrusso: Or at least not that I know of :-)
23:24:33 <lorip> it looks like Mifos primarily uses mailing lists - not sure if the bi-weekly meeting are on IRC or not
23:24:36 <baochuanlu> OK. I mean the project we are supposed to review.
23:24:55 <johnrusso> oh, okay. More reasons to setup a desktop at home (I just use laptops now)
23:25:28 <heidie> Ah, yes. :
23:25:41 <smoussavi> could you please answer Rob Bryant's question?  I don't want to leave this now to try it.
23:26:39 <lorip> yes, you can be in multiple channels in Firefox - I don't know about other IRC clients
23:26:50 <RobBryant> I tried to get into 2 earlier and had to use a different name to do so
23:27:02 <lorip> in mine, I have 3 tabs currently open
23:27:04 <RobBryant> I'm using the chatzilla in firefox
23:27:21 <RobBryant> I do not see a tab option in it
23:27:26 <baochuanlu> Rob: I use a freenode web chat client. I can be in a different channel on each tab.
23:27:41 <heidie> johnrusso: Tabs are along the bottom.
23:28:00 <darci> Just above the textbox you are typing in
23:28:04 <StevenCrain> Rob: I am using chatzilla in Firefox, and if I type "/join #something" it starts a new tab.
23:28:08 <lorip> RobBryant - if you changed your nick did it work? try going up to IRC from the menu, type in the new channel and it should open a tab at the bottom next to foss2serve
23:28:09 <EdMirielli> being in multiple channels seems possible in hydraIRC but will have to experiemnt to figure it out
23:28:14 <joanna_kl> I use chatzilla and every time I connect to a server it opens another tab automatically.
23:28:21 <baochuanlu> try this #link http://webchat.freenode.net/
23:28:39 <heidie> joanna_kl: Yes, that is the expected behavior
23:28:52 <heidie> A new tab for each channel and one for each server.
23:29:33 <EdMirielli> is there a prefered or highly recommended client by the experienced IRC community?
23:29:51 <smoussavi> Colloquy create a new tree, like file system, instead of tab.
23:30:19 <heidie> EdMirielli: Folks who want a browser-based client tend to use Chatzilla
23:30:28 <heidie> Folks who like a separate client use Colloquy
23:30:41 <heidie> And there are other clients on Linux. It appears to be what people like.
23:30:44 <RobBryant> Got the extra tabs going - thanks
23:31:03 <heidie> The advantage of Colloque is that you're not attached to a browser.
23:31:04 <lorip> great!
23:31:19 <heidie> You can put the chat window and a browser window side-by-side in Colloquy
23:31:41 <smoussavi> Would using a Mac laptop be a problem later on or at the workshop?
23:32:39 <EdMirielli> thanks  /heidie - i will check out your RECs too just to see what I might prefer
23:32:45 <lorip> smoussavi - I don't think so, I believe many of the workshop participants in the past have had Macs - heidie, darci, can you confirm?
23:32:59 <darci> smoussavi: no, a number of former POSSE attendees have used Macs
23:33:10 <heidie> Stoney works on a Mac
23:33:24 <heidie> So should be no problem. He uses the command line.
23:33:46 <lorip> any other questions before switching to the project discussion?
23:34:01 <suzanne> I work on a mac, no problem
23:34:01 <joanna_kl> How about travel?
23:34:18 <lorip> joanna_kl: what specifically about travel?
23:34:36 <joanna_kl> I was looking into purchasing the tickets, but I am not sure when I should be arriving there and leaving?
23:34:52 <joanna_kl> And where should we be staying, which hotel?
23:35:06 <joanna_kl> I may need to stay till Sunday, so may need to book another night.
23:35:30 <darci> joanna_kl: The Thursday sesssion begins at 2:00pm
23:35:51 <darci> We end at 3:30 on Saturday
23:35:52 <joanna_kl> Do you know how long it takes to get there from the airport?
23:35:53 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/POSSE_Announcement_2014-11
23:36:09 <lorip> that is a quick link to the general schedule in NC
23:36:15 <heidie> Not long. Half an hour max I think.
23:36:56 <joanna_kl> Ok. Thanks.
23:37:05 <darci> I'm thinking that you should be able to fly in in the morning
23:37:09 <lorip> as for hotel, we will be booking the hotel for you - heidie, do you have a link to the hotel?
23:37:30 <zsweedyk> Does the hotel have a shuttle from the airport?
23:37:31 * heidie looks
23:38:08 <joanna_kl> Is the workshop itself in the hotel?
23:38:33 <lorip> no, the workshop will be held at Red Hat
23:38:35 <heidie> I believe that we are in the Sheraton Raleigh Hotel (421 South Salisbury St), but I'm not entirely sure.
23:38:42 <heidie> I'll send an email with that information.
23:39:18 <StevenCrain> Is the hotel price included in the $450 travel budget?
23:39:21 <heidie> We will be making arrangements for the hotel directly.
23:39:40 <darci> I don't think that's right...looking
23:39:53 <heidie> The hotel price is separate from the $450 travel. OpenFE will cover the hotel nights and the $450 is intended to cover your costs to get there and back.
23:40:20 * heidie thinks that I just permanently deleted my "deleted" email so I can't go back and find that conversation....
23:40:44 <lorip> zsweedyk: I don't know about the hotel shuttle - we will look into that and get back to you
23:40:45 * StevenCrain heidie: ouch
23:41:24 <heidie> StevenCrain: Right. I was trying to get email under control and archived the older stuff, but somehow blew away the newer stuff.
23:41:40 <lorip> heidie: ugh
23:41:54 <heidie> Right. Sigh...
23:41:56 <darci> #link http://www.sheratonraleigh.com/
23:42:08 <darci> Heidi was right! Here is the link
23:42:29 <lorip> other travel questions?  we will be providing more information as we finalize arrangement in NC
23:42:56 <zsweedyk> Is the hotel close to Red Hat? Do we need to worry about local transportation?
23:42:59 <joanna_kl> sounds good. Thanks!
23:43:07 <heidie> Hotel is a block from Red Hat
23:43:15 <heidie> Easily walkable.
23:43:36 <zsweedyk> heidie: great
23:43:50 <heidie> Yes, the Red Hat folks recommended the hotel.
23:43:59 <EdMirielli> thanks for the travel clarifications
23:44:00 <lorip> zsweedyk:  looks like they don't have a shuttle
23:44:03 <lorip> #link http://www.sheratonraleigh.com/transportation
23:44:11 <StevenCrain> #info Hotel web site: no airport shuttle
23:45:00 <heidie> right. We'll figure it out and get you more transportation information.
23:45:05 <lorip> it's getting late and we don't want to keep people too late, I'm going to switch topics
23:45:16 <lorip> #topic HFOSS Project
23:45:38 <lorip> We have several suggested HFOSS projects listed on the wiki
23:46:00 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities
23:46:44 <lorip> there are general descriptions of each project as well as links to the projects and the language the project is in
23:47:07 <smoussavi> That was the first thing I read about:)
23:47:22 <lorip> have people had a chance to look at the descriptions?  questions?
23:48:15 <smoussavi> Yes, I am going to work on openMRS
23:48:32 <johnrusso> I'm going to work on OpenMRS
23:49:30 <zsweedyk> I looked but haven't decided.
23:49:44 <EdMirielli> I've just briefly scouted Sahana, OpenMRS and Ushahidi but not sure which of these yet
23:49:47 <joanna_kl> Debating between GNOME Accessibility and OpenMRS.
23:49:59 <heidie> That's fine. You'll get a better idea of projects when we meet f2f.
23:50:25 <lorip> are there any questions about the projects that we can answer now?
23:50:30 <darci> You'll also get more exposure to some of them as you work through other stage one activities
23:50:34 <StevenCrain> Thinking Mifos, but OpenMRS also looks very interesting.
23:50:37 <heidie> Yes, right.
23:50:46 <EdMirielli> would a good criteria for selection be based on the project's needs and my skill set or just my interest?
23:51:30 <lorip> EdMirielli: it depends upon your environment - do you have to worry about the language the students already know?
23:51:43 <heidie> usually profs select based on what they're comfortable with and student background.
23:52:17 <rubyK> I haven't decided either
23:52:17 * lorip nodding my head at heidie's comment
23:52:19 <EdMirielli> i am perfectly file with productively lost for me and my students
23:52:48 <EdMirielli> that is how I usually do projects anyway
23:52:48 <heidie> EdMirielli: You may eventually want to consider picking up a GNOME Accessibility project for yourself.
23:52:49 <baochuanlu> I like Ushahidi and its crowdmap product in particular.
23:52:52 <heidie> :-)
23:53:01 <lorip> then I'd consider going on what you think will be most interesting for you & your students
23:53:23 <heidie> The GNOME Accessibility Team has a couple of projects that need maintainers and contributors.
23:53:57 <heidie> EdMirielli: This would give you some autonomy during development, yet you'd be working on a "real" project that would be used by real people.
23:55:01 * lorip thinking, are there other questions or should we be wrapping up?
23:55:13 <EdMirielli> heidie i have not ruled GNOME Accessability Team out and will give it another consideration
23:55:33 <heidie> Sure. I'd be happy to talk with you more about it. I'm doing something like that now with a project called MouseTrap.
23:55:37 <baochuanlu> I need to leave the channel and will check the minute when it is posted.
23:55:49 <darci> bye baochuanlu
23:55:50 <heidie> Uses a webcam to follow user head movement and moves the cursor accordingly.
23:55:53 <heidie> bye baochuanlu
23:55:56 <lorip> baochuanlu:  thanks for joining us!
23:56:02 <baochuanlu> I was great chatting with you all.
23:56:09 <baochuanlu> Bye.
23:56:13 <heidie> And note that I usually hang out in this channel if folks have questions
23:56:18 <rubyK> Have a good night all !
23:56:25 <johnrusso> I need to leave the channel as well.  Thanks for your help.
23:56:28 <johnrusso> Goodnight
23:56:34 <lorip> I'm going to stop the meet bot in a minute
23:56:40 <heidie> Feel free to send along questions as they arise.
23:56:52 <joanna_kl> Thanks everyone!
23:56:53 <smoussavi> Talk to you all in two weeks.
23:56:55 <lorip> if anyone wants to join us again tomorrow at 5pm east coast time, please feel free to join or lurk!
23:57:06 <zsweedyk> Thanks!
23:57:09 <EdMirielli> heidie we did some work like that with the MS kinect
23:57:22 <heidie> Ah, yes :-)
23:57:25 <lorip> please let us know if you have any questions as you work through the activities
23:57:33 <heidie> Good for you EdMirielli !
23:57:47 <suzanne> Good night everyone. see you at Red hat
23:58:00 <heidie> We're in the process of upgrading code from Python2 to Python3 and OpenCV2 to OpenCV3. And right now, we have a show-stopping bug.
23:58:01 <darci> bye suzanne
23:58:01 <lorip> bye suzanne - hope your class is going well this semester!
23:58:07 <heidie> bye suzanne
23:58:16 <suzanne> I’m having fun Lori
23:58:17 <heidie> It crashes when it finds the user's head.
23:58:19 <heidie> Good!
23:58:22 <zsweedyk> I have to leave too.  Thanks for everything.
23:58:49 <EdMirielli> heidie i poke around some -- what's the channel to examine for GNOME or mousetrap pokect if still actice
23:59:01 <heidie> the server is:  irc.gnome.org
23:59:19 <heidie> the channel is #a11y  where the middle two letters are ones.
23:59:38 <EdMirielli> heidie is mousetrap a part of the gnome accessibilit project?
23:59:44 <heidie> And the meetings are Thursdays at 10:00 a.m. in a11y-meeting
23:59:47 <heidie> yes, it is.
00:00:05 <heidie> It was a project that they want to go forward, but didn't have enough people to work on.
00:00:14 <heidie> You could join us on Mousetrap if you'd like.
00:00:20 <heidie> Or pick one of your own.
00:00:43 <heidie> I worked on several GNOME Accessibility Team projects before getting one of my own.
00:00:56 <heidie> For instance, students worked on Caribou which is an onscreen keyboard.
00:01:18 <EdMirielli> heidie i may try to connect to the moustrap project on thursday 10am EST?
00:01:44 <heidie> The MouseTrap project meets Mondays at 9 in the #mousetrap channel
00:01:57 <heidie> The a11y meeting is for the entire Accessibility Team
00:02:11 <heidie> There are individual meetings for the specific projects.
00:02:18 <heidie> Times are eastern.
00:03:10 <EdMirielli> heidie i'll check out some of those projects over the next week and make a decision.  the accessibility issues are significant - thanks.
00:03:34 <EdMirielli> heidie chat with you soon - good night!
00:03:35 <lorip> going to end the meeting on the meetbot, OK?
00:03:46 <heidie> Sure, I can put you in touch with the GNOMe AT person.
00:03:50 <heidie> Bye, good night.
00:03:57 <lynnlambert> bye. Thank you.
00:03:58 <EdMirielli> fine with me -- bye all.
00:04:16 <heidie> lorip: Did you end the meeting?
00:04:18 <lorip> #endmeeting