00:04:05 <Darci> #startmeeting
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00:04:36 <Darci> Who would like to go first?
00:04:57 <becka> I am afraid I am still just trying to keep my had above water for summer term
00:05:23 <Darci> I know the feeling!
00:05:28 <Darci> How long is your summer term?
00:05:45 <becka> 6weeks
00:05:57 <becka> Sadly it is a 10 week course
00:06:15 <becka> hit the ground running today :-O
00:06:40 <Darci> Your summer term just started today?
00:07:11 <becka> Yes, I had one week between and half of that was a workshop
00:07:18 <becka> how long is yours?
00:07:46 <Darci> We actually have 3 summer terms: two of them are 5 weeks and the third one is 3 weeks.
00:08:08 <becka> The 3 week must be a killer
00:08:23 <Darci> We actually have to cram 15 weeks of material into a 5 or 3 week term.
00:08:36 <Darci> We don't offer many classes during the 3 week term.
00:08:49 <becka> WOW and I thought I was under the gun
00:09:13 <Darci> Who would like to go next?
00:09:53 <joanne_t> I will
00:10:00 <Darci> great!
00:10:14 <joanne_t> I attempted an install on my mac.  I got very far, almost to the end including a complete MySQL database import, and then I ran out of memory.  Too much for my machine, I guess.  I am going to talk with our tech in the math department about using one of our servers instead of my own.  I know he is already working on getting a VM set up.
00:11:00 <Darci> :-(
00:11:39 <joanne_t> I also began an outline of tasks for the first couple weeks in my independent study course.  I have it in google docs.  I wanted to know if it would be ok for me to share the doc from the wiki, or should I recreate the google doc within the wiki?
00:11:47 <Darci> Have you talked to our TA recently? Do you know when he might have the VM set up?
00:12:31 <Darci> Hmmm...good question.
00:12:43 <Darci> Lori and I have talked about this some.
00:13:19 <joanne_t> Yes, last week.  After my memory problems, I haven't spoken with him yet.  However, when I connected through email, he told me that I could have my IS student do a sample install on the same machine.  I think going through an install is a great learning process, and I want him to experience it.
00:14:07 <Darci> I created a Dropbox folder and was planning to share it with the group. I thought this would be a way for us to share materials prior to making them public on the wiki.
00:14:38 <joanne_t> Ok, that's another way to share.  I would be willing to use Dropbox.
00:14:46 <Darci> On the other hand, bcoleman and rebelsky have already begun putting their ideas on the wiki, even in rough form.
00:15:14 <Darci> Do others have thoughts about which would be best?
00:15:48 <bcoleman> I have the wiki as a secondary target.  I would prefer posting pdfs
00:15:55 <becka> I like the transparency of wiki
00:16:04 <becka> very OSS
00:16:14 <Darci> :-)
00:16:18 <joanne_t> :) Good points
00:16:41 <Darci> Yes, I find that I'm still getting grounded in the OSS way!
00:17:07 <Darci> bcoleman: I believe that you can post pdf's on the wiki
00:17:20 <joanne_t> Google docs allows for public sharing too. Just post the link to the doc on the wiki.
00:18:42 <Darci> joanne_t: Why don't you post what you have on the wiki?
00:19:11 <joanne_t> yes, I will.  It's very first draft, a little embarrassing but I got to get over that.
00:19:27 <Darci> Once you do, you could send an email to the group and ask them to provide feedback. I believe that last time we decided to us the discussion tab on the wiki page.
00:19:40 <becka> We are kind of perfectionists ;-)
00:19:49 <Darci> :-)
00:20:01 <joanne_t> ok. Yes becka, we spoke about that at the posse!
00:20:55 <becka> joanne_t one of the biggest hurdles to overcome
00:21:36 <joanne_t> Feels like letting people into a messy house.
00:21:57 <Darci> I've gotten much better at that! ;-)
00:22:01 <joanne_t> lol!
00:22:50 <Darci> bcoleman: Any updates? I know you are away....
00:23:18 <bcoleman> I'm working hard on my tan and trying to eat seafood at least once every day
00:23:29 <bcoleman> enjoying time with my kids and wife too
00:23:36 * Darci is smiling!
00:23:45 <becka> It is a rather dreary life then?
00:24:05 <bcoleman> This meeting and the one last week is the sum total of HFOSS I've done.
00:24:07 <Darci> If you are working on your tan, then the weather must be good?
00:25:15 <Darci> Ok...I guess I'm next.
00:25:27 <bcoleman> A bit rainy, but we have lots of things to do.  Big house and fun places to visit in the area
00:25:40 <bcoleman> I'll be back on Sunday, and I'll start back up then.
00:26:19 <Darci> Cool!
00:26:40 <Darci> I too have been barely keeping my head above water.
00:27:34 <Darci> The end of year activities (graduations, awards ceremonies, socials) with kids is a bit overwhelming.
00:27:49 <Darci> I also have family in from out of town.
00:27:56 <bcoleman> Must run, needed for dad duty
00:28:04 <Darci> Bye!
00:28:06 <bcoleman> bye
00:28:23 <Darci> I've managed to get through most of the installation.
00:29:09 <Darci> I decided not to install Tomcat -- since it was optional.
00:29:30 <becka> Bye
00:29:48 <Darci> I thought it would be best to minimize the process for me and for students.
00:31:03 <Darci> I did run into a problem installing the OpenMRS Behavior Test Generator
00:31:09 <joanne_t> What machine did you use?
00:31:09 <Darci> Did anyone else try to do this?
00:31:12 <fuzzybunny> Yeah, I am still trying to debug in Eclipse with Tomcat as my server.  Not going to spend much more time on it.
00:31:40 <fuzzybunny> No, what's the Behavior Test Generator?
00:31:43 <Darci> I'm doing the setup on a laptop.
00:32:28 <joanne_t> I think instead of duplicating efforts, I am going to connect with our TA… soon.
00:32:51 <Darci> The instructions said it was optional, but I figured...why not. It is supposed to auto-generate test case code for OpenMRS projects.
00:33:24 <fuzzybunny> cool, i'll look into that.
00:33:45 <Darci> joanne_t: Not sure what you mean by duplicating efforts?
00:34:20 <joanne_t> Our TA will go through an installation too.  We can connect with him on his experience.
00:35:14 <Darci> I still think it's good for us to go through it as well.
00:35:30 <joanne_t> Yes. But I am going to use the machine he is setting up for us.
00:35:45 <joanne_t> Environment will be the same, then.
00:36:04 <Darci> The more problems we hash out the better. My students will certainly find more problems, but I can at least help them through some of them.
00:36:49 <Darci> By environment you mean OS, version of Eclipse, etc?
00:37:42 <joanne_t> Yes. and database, and whatever else goes into the install.
00:39:29 <Darci> fuzzybunny: You have Tomcat installed on your machine?
00:39:36 <fuzzybunny> Yes
00:40:06 <fuzzybunny> just working out getting it to run debug in eclipse now, a port issue i think
00:40:12 <fuzzybunny> or an environment var
00:40:27 <fuzzybunny> now it is just a challenge, i am obsessed
00:40:36 <Darci> :-)
00:40:41 <Darci> I love that feeling!
00:40:48 <fuzzybunny> it's awesome
00:41:05 <becka> It is the geek adiction
00:41:27 <Darci> LOL!
00:41:33 <fuzzybunny> i just got back to OpenMRS around 6 tonight, didn't have much time to work on it.
00:41:43 <Darci> Have you tried connecting to anyone at OpenMRS for help?
00:42:00 <fuzzybunny> not yet, I will though
00:42:23 <Darci> I think we need to reach out to them as much as possible.
00:42:55 <becka> It is always a good place to be in if you have people to turn to
00:43:01 <fuzzybunny> yes
00:43:13 <becka> Then when I have a student stuck I have a go to
00:43:56 <Darci> becka: I noticed that you started a proposal.
00:44:09 <Darci> Are you still planning to submit one?
00:44:13 <becka> Yes, so far I have the outline
00:44:28 <becka> Yes, I am developing the course this summer
00:45:22 <Darci> I really hope you do, it sounds like it would be great!
00:46:02 <becka> Just need the 5 additionally hours per day required for our jobs ;-)
00:46:24 * Darci smiling again!
00:46:42 <Darci> I know, if you figure out how to get the additional hours, please let me know!
00:47:14 <becka> You are definately on the top of the list
00:47:28 <Darci> I've told my husband for years that I need a wife. Lately, I've been thinking that I need a wife and a sevretary!
00:48:24 <becka> Sign me up for that :-)
00:48:25 <Darci> Thoughts on next steps?
00:49:35 <Darci> I plan to dig into the code base, now that I have it downloaded.
00:49:50 <becka> Still just need to begin
00:50:14 <Darci> I will be looking for examples of code that would be appropriate for a CS2 class (lists, stacks, queues, trees).
00:51:06 <Darci> becka: That is often the hardest step!
00:51:17 <joanne_t> Need to do an UNinstall on my mac. Then a fresh install on a department server.
00:51:21 <Darci> I don't recall what OS will you be setting OpenMRS up on?
00:51:24 <becka> Hopefully this weekend
00:52:12 <joanne_t> Linux? I don't know.  The TA has plans for this already.
00:52:39 <becka> Has anyone installed on a Linux machine
00:52:59 <Darci> I think mattln did.
00:53:21 <becka> I will have to find out if it was intuitive
00:53:45 <becka> I have access to both a windows lab or a linux lab
00:53:57 <Darci> You might drop him an email.
00:54:05 <becka> I like doing the open source class in an open source OS
00:54:16 <becka> I will. thanks for the pointer
00:54:20 <Darci> That makes sense.
00:55:06 <Darci> We are all Windows.
00:55:36 <Darci> It is almost 9.
00:56:11 <Darci> joanne_t: Are you available this week to get together with our TA?
00:56:30 <joanne_t> Not this week. I'll email him though.
00:56:34 <becka> I need to jump off.  Have to finish prep for tomorrow
00:56:42 <Darci> Ok, bye becka!
00:56:43 <becka> Good to talk to all
00:56:48 <joanne_t> bye!
00:56:49 <Darci> See you next week!
00:57:26 <Darci> I'm going to meet with him this week. I'll see if Lori can join me.
00:57:38 <Darci> Anything else?
00:57:41 <fuzzybunny> That's it for me, have a good week.
00:57:45 <joanne_t> Just wanted to let all  know I added a link to my google doc from the wiki.  I think I set the permissions on the document correctly, so everyone should be able to read it.  If not, let me know.
00:57:52 <Darci> ok, bye fuzzybunny!
00:57:58 <fuzzybunny> bye
00:58:25 <Darci> Thanks joanne_t, that's great. I'll take a look.
00:58:40 <joanne_t> Bye Darci, "see" you soon :)
00:58:48 <Darci> Ok...bye!
00:58:52 <Darci> #endmeeting