17:03:01 <rebelsky> #startmeeting 17:03:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun 4 17:03:01 2013 UTC. The chair is rebelsky. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:03:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:03:08 <rebelsky> #chair camm 17:03:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: camm rebelsky 17:03:14 <rebelsky> #chair pnutzh4x0r 17:03:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: camm pnutzh4x0r rebelsky 17:03:41 <rebelsky> Did anyone record the links for yesterday late aftenroon sessions? They didn't seem to get logged on the Wiki. 17:06:53 <rebelsky> I had them, but dealing with webchat.freenode.net managed to make me lose them. 17:07:40 <rebelsky> #Starting the afternoon session. 17:07:49 <rebelsky> #topic Starting the Afternoon Session 17:08:02 <rebelsky> Question: Please tell us about the grant opportunity. 17:08:07 <rebelsky> Bullseye model 17:08:19 <rebelsky> There's a core team of about six people. 17:08:50 <rebelsky> There's a room for about 20 people that can be supported with a stipend of up to about $3K and $1K of travel money. 17:09:08 <rebelsky> E.g., maybe before the next POSSE we have a meeting. 17:09:31 <rebelsky> E.g., Hang a day on the front of SIGCSE. 17:09:43 <rebelsky> What they need is for people to do HFOSS. 17:09:46 <rebelsky> That is, developing materials of various sorts. 17:09:51 <rebelsky> Prototyping them. 17:09:59 <rebelsky> Doing good evaluation of it as they do it. 17:14:31 <rebelsky_> This is a new version of POSSE. 17:14:40 <rebelsky_> People liked the idea, but couldn't figure out what to do when they got home. 17:14:49 <rebelsky_> Stage three helps solve that. A community of people to work with. 17:15:01 <rebelsky_> Early POSSE had very little to do with pedagogy or assignments. 17:15:09 <rebelsky_> They focused primarily on becoming open source participants. 17:16:20 <rebelsky_> It's important that we continue to try to continue momentum. 17:16:55 <rebelsky_> #topic Getting Started on Projects 17:16:59 <rebelsky_> We're getting back into groups. 17:17:17 <rebelsky_> Do we do groups based on the HFOSS project? 17:17:21 <rebelsky_> Or based on the classrooms? 17:17:26 <rebelsky_> So how do we organize ourselves? 17:17:48 <rebelsky_> Do we continue with the groups we were working on yesterday? 17:18:14 <rebelsky_> Another possibility is to organize by Geogrpahic location. 17:19:20 <rebelsky_> Gives an opportunity to support Hack-a-Thons and such. 17:20:09 <rebelsky_> We still need to share even if we're not physically close. If you're doing a Hack-a-Thon, I still want to know about it and how you organized it. 17:20:19 <rebelsky_> And teachingopensource is the opportunity for that broadcast. 17:20:49 <rebelsky_> Choose a primary group. And Greg's model is that that's the primary group. 17:22:21 <rebelsky> What are the questions that you want answered now and would have trouble getting answered later. 17:23:04 <rebelsky> We're educators. We know how to do the class stuff. But for many of these projects, we need more info on the technology. 17:24:17 <rebelsky> Remember; Being able to work face to face is a golden opportunity. Take advantage of it. 17:25:26 <rebelsky> @action Break up into groups by software package. 17:25:42 <rebelsky> #action Break up into groups by software package. 17:25:53 <rebelsky> Oh boy! It's a workshop evaluation form. 17:26:05 <rebelsky> #action Fill out the form (about an hour from now) 17:45:41 <pnutzh4x0r> stoneyj: http://timeside.googlecode.com/git-history/994b745dd577b2a0474492c56349e1edefaa3aa5/tests/api/gstreamer.py 17:52:02 <stoneyj> http://programmingcomputervision.com/downloads/ProgrammingComputerVision_CCdraft.pdf 17:53:59 <stoneyj> http://foss2serve.org/index.php/MouseTrap_Dev_Help/From_Scratch 17:55:39 <pnutzh4x0r> stoneyj: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/numm/0.3 18:21:11 <rebelsky> Time for one-minute reports from the individual groups. 18:21:44 <rebelsky> Our first folks walk out the door in an hour. The plan is to hear a minute from each group and then talk about stage one and stage two. 18:22:09 <rebelsky> And then maybe another 30 minutes to continue working in our groups for plans that we're going to leave. 18:22:19 <rebelsky> OpenMRS report (Go Darci!) 18:22:37 <rebelsky> They've started a page for their team. You can find at OpenMRSTeam. Linked off of communities. 18:22:53 <rebelsky> Made some decisions about plans for moving forward. Will meet weekly on Wednesdays. 18:23:01 <rebelsky> Will track the initial journey together. 18:23:09 <rebelsky> Find an initial issue. 18:23:12 <rebelsky> Record a process. 18:23:20 <rebelsky> And then have a product to share with students in winter, fall, or spring. 18:23:47 <rebelsky> Idea: Record screen shots and turn them into slides. 18:24:08 <rebelsky> How do you be productively lost? Recoding what you've done is good for the students. 18:24:28 <rebelsky> Make sure to include dead ends so that students realize that the process is not always straightfoward. 18:24:31 <rebelsky> Gnome Accessibility. 18:24:33 <rebelsky> (Go Soney!) 18:24:40 <rebelsky> Two major components that they're going to be working on. 18:24:47 <rebelsky> First, get MouseTrap unstuck and working. 18:25:02 <rebelsky> Then students can latch on to it and add features and fix bugs and stuff. 18:25:11 <rebelsky> Talked about feasibility and such. 18:26:24 <rebelsky> There are two assistive technology platforms - one in KDE, one in Gnome. Looking at alternative input for IDE. Spoken for commands. Dasher for code. 18:26:45 <rebelsky> (This project is Patti's.) 18:26:57 <rebelsky> One issue: Adding vocabulary and languages for LaTeX. 18:27:10 <rebelsky> Dasher does word completion, but needs this stuff. 18:27:15 <rebelsky> Patti's plan: Email lots of people. 18:27:27 <rebelsky> Sahana group 18:27:38 <rebelsky> They've been working on installing it and documenting questions and stuff as they go. 18:27:46 <rebelsky> Current plans are to move forward with that. 18:29:50 <rebelsky> Ushahidi group has been playing with install. 18:30:02 <rebelsky> Did some of Cam's cool assignments. 18:30:07 <rebelsky> Now we need to make plans as a team. 18:37:24 <rebelsky> Whoops ... Sam has been filling out the sheet rather than recording. 18:37:29 <rebelsky> #topic Debriefing 18:37:37 <rebelsky> Thoughts about phase 1? 18:37:46 <rebelsky> Time estimates were bad for many people, particularly novices. 18:38:08 <rebelsky> The time of the semester was bad. Most of us are really busy at the end of spring semester. 18:38:29 <rebelsky> The activities were very valuable, particularly for new users. 18:38:44 <rebelsky> #action Move start date two weeks later. 18:39:48 <rebelsky> Some issues in the SourceForge activity. 18:40:16 <rebelsky> E.g., You could not tell what the different terms were (e.g., Alpha, pre=Alpha) 18:40:23 <rebelsky> Some did not have enough curriculum stuff. 18:40:44 <rebelsky> The issue of how to grade keeps coming up. They'll send us some templates. 18:40:56 <rebelsky> When you come up with an assignment, distribute it to the group and ask for help on rubrics. 18:41:08 <rebelsky> Phase 2: We need one more day. Time to plan. 18:41:28 <stoneyj> joanie: hi 18:42:12 <rebelsky> #idea Maybe include a hack-a-thon 18:42:30 <rebelsky> Unfortunately, there's not budget for one more day. But maybe in future POSSEs. 18:43:08 <rebelsky> Can we have a place to hangout and chat (not just an IRC). A virtual meeting. 18:44:07 <rebelsky> Remember: Folks tend to hang out in foss2serve. 18:44:23 <rebelsky> Drawing us in to the national day of hacking would have been cool. 18:45:01 <rebelsky> We could have roommates. 18:45:40 <rebelsky> Maybe we can do a hackathon with students next time. E.g., for the next POSSE. 18:46:21 <pnutzh4x0r> !whois rebelsky -a 18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, Grinnell College. 18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, has 3 wonderful boys. 18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, plays boards games to relax with the family. 18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, likes to read. 18:46:22 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, finds work relaxing ... (workaholic). 18:46:23 <bobbit> pnutzh4x0r: Samuel Rebelsky, is color deficient. 18:47:33 <rebelsky> pnutzh4x0r: Okay, so now can bobbit Google a picture and post a link? 18:47:49 <pnutzh4x0r> rebelsky: not yet 18:49:07 <rebelsky> Some found the evaluation activity a bit pointless because you had pre-evaluated the projects. 18:49:31 <rebelsky> Having developers here has been really useful. Yay Joanie and Rsuehle! (And a bit of Camm) 18:51:47 <rebelsky> How do we deal with being lecture-heavy, particularly since there are very different backgrounds? 18:51:48 <rebelsky> Video! 18:52:35 <rebelsky> Heidi says "Thank you very very much for being great participants" 18:52:42 <rebelsky> "Thank you to our leaders for excellent leadership." 18:53:28 <rebelsky> #topic The Ushahidi Group Plans ... 18:53:49 <rebelsky> Maybe some Google Hangout time. 18:53:59 <rebelsky> Let's pick a time to meet regularly. 18:54:35 <rebelsky> Pick a time and then pick a technology. 18:54:51 <rebelsky> We'll start by communicating on foss2serve. And lets other people check in on us. 18:56:55 <rebelsky> Thursdays at 11am EDT (10am CDT, 9am MDT). 18:57:11 <rebelsky> We'll start with IRC. 18:58:08 <sean_> hello 18:59:51 <rebelsky> Homework! Download the zombie dataset from foss2serve and import it into your virtual machine deployment. 19:00:56 <rebelsky> How do you get it onto the Web? Run it on another machine and update the config. 19:01:06 <rebelsky> And it would also be good to try installing it again. 19:05:45 <sean_> https://wiki.ushahidi.com/display/WIKI/Configuring+Twitter+on+a+deployment 19:08:16 <rebelsky> Ushahidi Group's wiki is at http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Ushahidi 19:14:32 <rebelsky> A closed-source alternative: http://www.mapbox.com/ 19:25:18 <rebelsky> #endmeeting