20:01:33 <sijis> #startmeeting
20:01:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri May 14 20:01:33 2010 UTC.  The chair is sijis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:01:45 <sijis> hey everyone
20:02:09 <gbinns> happy friday
20:02:10 <sijis> #topic who is here?
20:02:14 * gbinns 
20:02:52 <sijis> i know gwerra said he *may* be here later
20:03:04 <gbinns> k
20:03:53 * tmz is lurking
20:03:55 <sijis> gbinns:  thanks for sending the reminder
20:04:25 <gbinns> sijis: np
20:05:02 <sijis> next time i'll update the wiki with topics to talk about
20:05:17 <sijis> #info sijis will update the wiki with meeting topics
20:05:22 <gbinns> ok
20:05:31 <gbinns> feel free to email or ping me if i can help you with that kind of stuff
20:05:33 <gbinns> i don't mind
20:05:38 <sijis> ok, cool :)
20:05:53 <sijis> i only have 3 things in mind for today
20:06:07 <sijis> 1 - GA release -- moved 1 week
20:06:18 <sijis> 2. get.fp.o- stuff left to do
20:06:27 <sijis> 3. new analytics software
20:06:42 <sijis> #topic GA Release - Slipped
20:06:59 <sijis> so, this is more informational but f13 slipped by 1 week.
20:07:21 <sijis> new release day is 2010-05-25
20:07:37 <gbinns> is that also the day when the beta will become the master?
20:07:44 <sijis> #info new F13 release day is 2010-05-25
20:07:52 <gbinns> (in git)
20:07:54 <sijis> yeah, beta will be master on release day
20:08:08 <gbinns> ok
20:08:14 <sijis> oh.. in git.. beta has been merged to master.
20:08:34 <sijis> on release day we'll just change the site to pull from master branch instead of f13-beta
20:08:47 <gbinns> ok got it
20:08:48 <sijis> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule
20:09:12 <gbinns> is the master frozen until the 25th?
20:10:16 <sijis> well, content *should* be frozen
20:10:37 <sijis> design is still being tweaked, primarily for get stuff
20:10:47 <sijis> #topic get-redesign
20:10:50 <gbinns> in other words, i guess i'm asking if i need to think of the 25th as the day when we can start putting keyword optimization changes on the pages
20:10:52 <sijis> that leads me to this.
20:10:59 <gbinns> sorry if that is OT
20:11:05 <sijis> no, not at all
20:11:25 <gbinns> ok cool
20:11:39 <sijis> so. i believe we wait for 1 full day before everything 'new' can start going in
20:11:48 <gbinns> got it
20:11:56 <gbinns> thanks for clarifying
20:12:08 <sijis> on before the 25th we should have everything done  (ideally before that)
20:12:17 <gbinns> ok
20:12:38 * ricky is here, sorry
20:12:48 <sijis> no worries ricky
20:13:15 <sijis> right now there are only a few things left to do in get pages
20:14:06 * sijis is trying to think of how to present this
20:14:33 <sijis> really only 5 things to do
20:15:01 <sijis> 1. add non-desktop spins to #activities tab (like soas, games, fel, design, etc)
20:15:24 <ricky> So we're planning to duplicate some spins.fp.o data on get-fedora-all?
20:15:24 <sijis> 2. update links to correct ISO locations (closer to release day task)
20:15:35 <sijis> 3 - fix h3 tags in get-fedora-all.html page
20:15:50 <ricky> (And if so, which ones do we duplicate and which ones don't we duplicate?)
20:16:01 <sijis> 3. add arrows to star-fedora-default and star-most-compatible icons
20:16:10 <sijis> ricky: you mean in the links to ISOs?
20:16:34 <ricky> I mean the spins stuff in #activities
20:17:07 <sijis> yeah. the idea of #activities is to show the ones that are NOT xfce, lxde, kde, etc
20:17:41 <sijis> yeah, i'm thinking about just adding the new spins on there
20:17:52 <ricky> So...  *all* non-DE spins will be listed on both spins.fp.o *and* get-fedora-all?
20:18:05 <sijis> soas, design, +2 more (i think)
20:18:28 <sijis> no, get-fedora-all should just be GNOME and KDE.. and it should link to spins
20:18:33 <ricky> I guess that's fine for now, but I doubt this will scale as the number of spins grows.
20:18:47 <ricky> I think the purpose of spins.fp.o was to keep that stuff separate from get-fedora-all.
20:19:00 <ricky> But for the near future, that's probably fine
20:19:39 <sijis> in http://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all there are no spins there.
20:20:03 <ricky> Sorry, I meant get-fedora-options
20:20:15 <sijis> ohh!
20:20:54 <ricky> Or just fp.o/get-* in general
20:21:20 <sijis> the idea of #activities tab just to *highlight* some of the spins
20:21:47 <ricky> Is there any good way to decide *which* ones we highlight?
20:22:07 * ricky remembers the arguments we had over just listing KDE vs. GNOME as default.
20:22:10 <sijis> honestly, nope. that hasn't been defined.
20:22:20 <sijis> haha. yeah.
20:22:43 <ricky> Also, did mmcgrath talk to you about direct downloads for spins?
20:22:54 <ricky> Apparently those will begin to be available via direct download
20:22:55 <sijis> i would think we'd be better off naming it "Spins", give a description about what they are and point them to spins.fp.o
20:23:02 * ricky agrees
20:23:23 <ricky> Anyway, something to discuss with mizmo after F13
20:23:32 <sijis> absolutely.
20:23:56 <sijis> #info sijis, ricky discuss with mizmo regarding #activities tab
20:24:34 <sijis> #info on what to do about it post f13. Should we point them to spins.fp.o directly or ...?
20:25:00 <sijis> yes, i did hear about spins having direct iso's now.
20:25:25 <sijis> i have to sit and think how to do that... as most of it is built with just torrents in mind
20:25:39 <sijis> shouldn't be difficult
20:25:40 <ricky> Yeah, this is like trying to hit a moving target :-/
20:26:09 <ricky> I don't think there's a huge rush to get those links up by any deadline (mmcgrath can verify this), but also something to think about
20:26:09 <sijis> last task is
20:26:21 <sijis> 5. fix padding in "Need to upgrade Fedora?" and "Other Options" in get-fedora
20:26:47 <sijis> i'll send this to websites list at end of meeting
20:27:47 <sijis> gwerra brought up an idea . was to make the spins site less templated for changes like the ISO one
20:28:14 <sijis> i may be able to just break the download template but leave everything else intact
20:28:30 <sijis> and it can be *individualized* a bit more for each spin.
20:28:54 <sijis> although.. right now, the site doesn't handle older release well either.
20:29:14 <sijis> so do we remove the loop for current releases and update that manually or not?
20:29:19 <sijis> anyhow.. i'm ranting
20:29:37 <sijis> anything else on get.fp.o or spins?
20:30:17 <wdundore> Is the meeting over?
20:31:04 <sijis> #topic Website Analytics
20:31:19 <sijis> so i put in a RFR last week for trying out Piwik
20:31:25 <sijis> .ticket 2151
20:31:26 <zodbot> sijis: #2151 (Piwik - Website Analytics) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2151
20:31:35 <gbinns> cool
20:31:52 <sijis> i'll have to follow up with mmcgrath and see if we can get some pt space soon to start getting it ready
20:32:09 <sijis> i don't think the pt servers are part of the infra freeze
20:32:25 <ricky> They'r not
20:32:57 <sijis> so that's all. on that.
20:32:59 <gbinns> thanks for putting creating the ticket
20:33:26 <sijis> #info sijis follow up with mmcgrath on Piwik RFR (ticket #2151)
20:33:35 * mmcgrath is here for that
20:33:39 <mmcgrath> if you want to chat about it?
20:33:43 <mmcgrath> I've had some ideas since we last talked.
20:33:44 <sijis> sure.
20:33:47 <gbinns> that made a lot of sense.. sorry, sinus infection over here :)
20:33:58 <sijis> what you have in mind?
20:34:00 <mmcgrath> Do you know if there's a server side CLI that can be used?
20:34:05 <mmcgrath> It'd be nice to get mirrorlist stats.
20:34:13 <mmcgrath> err s/CLI/API/
20:34:47 <sijis> they have APIs. but i think its mostly for displaying piwik stats to xyz product
20:34:57 <mmcgrath> <nod>
20:35:03 <ricky> (http://piwik.org/demo/index.php?module=API&action=listAllAPI&idSite=1&period=day&date=yesterday)
20:35:03 <sijis> you want to be able to push mirror manager stuff to piwik, right?
20:35:07 <mmcgrath> well once F13 ships we can push this out if we want.
20:35:10 <mmcgrath> sijis: yeah
20:35:32 <mmcgrath> this is in Fedora already right?
20:35:35 <mmcgrath> is it not packaged yet?
20:35:42 <sijis> not packaged that i could tell :(
20:35:51 <mmcgrath> k, well lets get on that :)
20:35:55 <sijis> i know that's a requirement for infra
20:35:58 <mmcgrath> that we don't have to wait for F13 to ship for :)
20:36:22 <sijis> i'll put a notice.. i've never packaged before
20:36:52 <mmcgrath> :)
20:37:05 <mmcgrath> that's all I've got for now
20:37:58 <gbinns> mmcgrath: thank you for helping with this
20:39:00 <sijis> mmcgrath: yeah, i'll see if there is a way to use the API to push data
20:39:08 <sijis> and i'll start learning how to package :)
20:40:05 <mmcgrath> :)
20:40:10 <sijis> mmcgrath: thanks
20:40:13 <mmcgrath> worksforme, sounds like a neat technology
20:40:28 <sijis> yeah, definitely
20:40:56 <sijis> #topic Open Floor
20:41:47 <sijis> if nothing else... i'll close in the next min.
20:42:18 <gbinns> i have a question
20:42:45 <sijis> go for it
20:42:46 <gbinns> is there any way we can accurately track new pages as they are created, giving us a real-time total of how many pages there are on fedoraproject.org?
20:43:26 <sijis> gbinns: including the wiki?
20:43:49 <gbinns> sijis: yes
20:44:16 <sijis> there is an rss feed that i think will show that info
20:44:31 <sijis> ianweller: ping ^
20:44:57 <gbinns> awesome
20:46:14 <gbinns> basically, as part of the keyword optimization we may want to create a pending list so we can stay organized
20:46:58 <sijis> understood.
20:47:04 <sijis> i see this page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
20:48:09 <gbinns> ok
20:49:04 <sijis> i think there was an api for mediawiki
20:49:17 <sijis> and i know there's an rss component but i cannot find it
20:49:36 <gbinns> ok, i will look into it further, wasn't sure if it was a simple thing
20:49:43 <gbinns> thanks sijis
20:50:37 <sijis> no problem.
20:50:44 <sijis> oh, i forgot to mention
20:50:54 <sijis> note from Paul: 11:54 < stickster> I wanted to say thanks to sijis, gwerra, ricky, mizmo, and everyone who's been putting time into this phase of the redesign.
20:52:08 <sijis> well. that's it.
20:52:14 <sijis> #stopmeeting
20:52:19 <sijis> #endmeeting