20:01:24 <hiemanshu> #startmeeting
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20:01:30 <hiemanshu> #chair sijis
20:01:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: hiemanshu sijis
20:01:38 <hiemanshu> #topic Who's here
20:01:41 * hiemanshu 
20:01:42 * ricky 
20:01:53 * mchua 
20:01:55 * sijis is ..but in car
20:02:03 * giarc for a little while...
20:02:14 * hiemanshu waits for people to turn up
20:03:41 <hiemanshu> #topic Fedora Insight
20:03:44 <hiemanshu> mchua: go ahead
20:03:55 <mchua> These weekly meetings are very helpful :)
20:03:55 <mchua> So, Fedora Insight.
20:03:55 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight
20:03:55 <mchua> I'm trying to set up a weekly test cycle with FWN ("QA," everyone else - websites, mktg, infra, design, etc - is "development," at the moment.) More details at
20:03:58 <mchua> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2010-February/000378.html
20:04:01 <mchua> The big thing for Websites is getting the skin working and the working skin packaged.
20:04:04 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Design
20:04:07 <mchua> We're going to be doing the final deployment in RHEL, so this needs to hit the EPEL repo eventually.
20:04:13 <mchua> hiemanshu: you've been doing a lot of the design work on the skin. (Thank you! I think this brings the cookie count I owe you up to several million.) Do you have an estimate on when the theme package will be ready to go, are there any blockers in your way?
20:04:28 <mchua> And is there anything that - when the FWN folks start doing those weekly test cycles - would be particularly helpful to watch/test for?
20:04:32 <mchua> #OF
20:04:34 <mchua> er, EOF
20:04:49 <sijis> fwn?
20:05:00 <giarc> fedora weekly news
20:05:01 <sijis> ohh weekly news
20:05:14 <hiemanshu> mchua: Just a single blocker that I am working on, I hope to have it ready for final release soon
20:06:06 <hiemanshu> giarc: you have taken a couple of ticket IIRC
20:06:07 <sijis> i updated the footer but im not sure its been comitted
20:06:10 <hiemanshu> anything on that
20:06:24 <hiemanshu> sijis: you updated it in the git repo?
20:06:29 <giarc> yeah, i have committed a small amount of code
20:06:46 <giarc> its not on publictest6 ( the udpate )
20:06:55 <sijis> i dont have repo access. i thought i sent patch to the list
20:06:57 <giarc> it cleans up the rss /planet feed
20:07:09 <sijis> maybe it was someone directly
20:07:19 <giarc> and also some home page wonkiness on said feeds
20:07:26 <hiemanshu> sijis: apply for the group when you can and I ll have you in the group
20:07:28 <giarc> oh, and the overall width has been widened
20:07:35 <giarc> but still works at smaller resolutins
20:07:39 <sijis> ok will do
20:07:41 <giarc> resoltuions
20:07:45 <mchua> basically, the thing I'm looking for (and will be asking every so often) is whether we're ready to apply the instructions on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Applying_the_Fedora_Insight_theme to staging (or rather, tell mmcgrath to do so).
20:07:50 <hiemanshu> giarc: can you send an update to the list?
20:07:53 <giarc> sure
20:07:55 <mchua> and if not, what's in the wya of us doing it. :)
20:08:08 <giarc> are we using publictest6 at all anymore?
20:08:28 <giarc> i note that its not been git pulled to HEAD
20:08:35 <hiemanshu> mchua: I will have the theme in the infra repo that make its easy to create a new test instance or import it to staging
20:08:52 <mchua> giarc: Yes, pt6 is still a sandbox to try things out on as needed to make sure the sandbox instructions install a working theme when they're executed.
20:08:56 <giarc> ok
20:08:57 <giarc> so
20:09:23 <giarc> can someone update the theme there? or is not using the git repo/theme?
20:09:43 <hiemanshu> giarc: its the updated theme and then the patches are carried over to the git repo
20:10:04 * hiemanshu doesnt like the idea of having git repo write access on publictest machines
20:10:42 * giarc is confused how pushing inot the repo gets the code on pt6 ?
20:10:49 <mchua> yeah, anyone with access to publictest machines has sudo on them...
20:11:09 <mchua> it's why mo and I didn't set it up that way when we first started the theme work
20:11:17 * giarc nods
20:11:21 <hiemanshu> giarc: Right now the git repo is just a place for people who want to try the latest theme
20:11:26 <giarc> ah
20:11:34 <giarc> well, that is where my changes went
20:11:40 <hiemanshu> the git repo?
20:11:43 <giarc> yep
20:11:48 <hiemanshu> I dont see anything in the log though
20:11:53 <giarc> hmmm
20:11:55 <giarc> i do
20:12:05 <hiemanshu> lemme do a git pull and see
20:12:32 * giarc fires up f11
20:12:40 * mchua has to run in a few minutes - any q's, any blockers we can clear for you, any updates we should give the rest of the Fedora Insight folks (we're all on the logistics list, I know a couple of you are there)?
20:12:43 <hiemanshu> giarc: I see it, I ll put the theme over to pt6 soon
20:12:49 <giarc> ok
20:13:15 <giarc> question: tickets 87/88 seem to deal with categorized rss feeds
20:13:33 <giarc> yet, i cannot even add categories/tags to the RSS feeds in zikula...
20:13:56 <hiemanshu> giarc: sounds like a question for simon
20:14:00 <giarc> ok
20:14:00 <hiemanshu> mchua: when is simon in next?
20:14:42 <giarc> hiemanshu, also, if there are updates to the theme outside of the git repo
20:14:57 <giarc> how can we be sure we are not clobbering each others work?
20:15:10 <mchua> hiemanshu: Nothing is scheduled atm, but my advice would be to ask questions on the logistics mailing list - he's been pretty fast at responding there (and if enough of them queue up then we can schedule a time for him and other zikula folks to come on IRC).
20:15:10 <giarc> or taking one step forward, two backwards?
20:15:24 <hiemanshu> giarc: if you make a change at pt6, you send a patch right away to the git repo
20:15:36 <giarc> i can't make any changes on pt6...
20:15:38 <giarc> so, ok
20:15:38 <hiemanshu> mchua: sure
20:15:38 <mchua> hiemanshu: I'd like to make our zikula questions less dependent on simon being around, because he's got a lot to do as well - if things hit logistics, people can also take them to the zikula forums, etc.
20:15:40 <giarc> :)
20:15:56 <mchua> giarc: so, sounds like a question for the logistics list ;)
20:16:07 <giarc> mchua, ok, got it
20:16:10 <mchua> yay!
20:16:14 <hiemanshu> mchua: Ah right, also we want to test the new pagemaster module
20:16:33 <mchua> all right, I gotta run, but this is all sounding fantastic - you guys are totally on top of things.
20:16:45 <hiemanshu> mchua: have fun
20:16:49 <hiemanshu> anyone else have anything else?
20:16:54 <mchua> thanks all!
20:17:28 <hiemanshu> #topic blogs.fp.o progress
20:17:34 <hiemanshu> This is gonna be quick
20:17:45 <hiemanshu> Right now there hasnt been any change from last wekk
20:17:48 <hiemanshu> week**
20:17:55 <hiemanshu> and we are still looking for someone to write docs
20:18:02 <sijis> one thing to add
20:18:12 <hiemanshu> sijis: go ahead
20:18:13 <sijis> talking to nb a day or so ago, he meniotned that all the redirects are fixed
20:18:30 <hiemanshu> that was done quite some time back IIRC
20:18:31 <sijis> so, the last step would just be docs
20:18:35 <hiemanshu> yup
20:18:48 <sijis> thanks for nullsys for helping with that
20:19:06 <hiemanshu> #info Need someone to write docs, and QUICK :)
20:19:13 <hiemanshu> anything else?
20:19:26 <onekopaka_laptop> nope
20:19:34 <onekopaka_laptop> I don't have anything to say at least.
20:19:50 <hiemanshu> sijis: how long till you get to a computer?
20:19:56 <sijis> i'm alreadyd here
20:19:59 <giarc> hiemanshu, is there a link to what you are talking about, docs wise?
20:20:19 <hiemanshu> giarc: nothing that I can remember
20:20:46 <hiemanshu> #topic web group as tracking group
20:20:52 <hiemanshu> ricky, sijis : go ahead
20:21:07 <sijis> i'll go
20:21:13 <ricky> So the web group has grown to be a bit wider than just running fp.o
20:21:26 <onekopaka_laptop> quite so
20:21:26 * sijis leaves it for ricky
20:21:39 <ricky> Oh, I stopped, go ahead :-)
20:21:39 * hiemanshu nods
20:22:31 <ricky> So it makes sense to have a tracking group and a separate group for commit access for those who do work that needs it
20:23:32 <sijis> i think that's a great idea
20:23:33 <ricky> This has worked well for infrastructure with sysadmin vs. sysadmin-* - being in the tracking group would be enough to get fp.o, etc. which could be useful
20:24:04 <ricky> So the way I'm thinking of doing it is making a gitweb group and seeding it with the list of all committers to fedora-web.git
20:24:18 <ricky> We can also send out an email to web-members announcing it to make sure we don't leave out anybody that needs it
20:24:54 <sijis> so idea is either ping folks and have them reply or just copy web in 'web-git-access' group?
20:25:11 <ricky> This will hopefully also make life easier on web sponsors, since it will eliminate the "give access to somebody that doesn't need it" hesitation :-)
20:25:15 <hiemanshu> nope, people ping you asking access to it
20:25:43 <hiemanshu> sijis: that way we know people who are actively working on stuff
20:25:55 <ricky> Anybody that doesn't have commits in fedora-web has never used their web access, so I think it's safe to assume that they don't need it - the email would catch anybody that we missed thoughj
20:26:12 <onekopaka_laptop> yeah
20:26:22 <sijis> ricky: yeah, that makes absolute sense
20:26:40 <onekopaka_laptop> I think we should send a notice today, then make the actual change next meeting
20:26:58 <hiemanshu> +1 from me
20:26:58 <ricky> Anyway, if everybody's OK with this, then there's nothing stopping us from just doing it (maybe a week or two after an email to list + web-members)
20:27:18 <sijis> +1 with tracking group
20:27:32 <onekopaka_laptop> because I certainly wouldn't be very happy if my commit access just disappeared.
20:28:28 <onekopaka_laptop> who wants to send out the email?
20:28:38 * ricky must leave the room, see you all later
20:28:41 <hiemanshu> ricky: so basically its a web tracking group and fedora-web for git access ?
20:28:49 <hiemanshu> ricky: later :)
20:28:51 <sijis> hiemanshu: basically
20:29:11 <giarc> sijis, what problem is this solving?
20:29:24 <hiemanshu> sijis: and any more groups that would require you to be a part of web ?
20:29:49 <sijis> no, as of right now that thought it only a single gropu for the commit access
20:29:54 <onekopaka_laptop> giarc: this is taking  a load of sponsors with the "do they really need it?" question
20:30:07 <sijis> so there would be 'web' (tracking) and 'web-commit' (or whatever the name will be)
20:30:26 <sijis> giarc: its not exactly solving a specific problem.
20:30:47 <giarc> just more granularity in giving folks access ?
20:30:54 <sijis> its sort of a small re-org. we can then look at seperating stuff into other gorpus that require access.
20:30:56 <hiemanshu> giarc: right
20:31:01 <giarc> ok, got it
20:31:22 <giarc> yeah +1
20:31:24 <giarc> :)
20:31:25 <hiemanshu> sijis: also a process for a giving access (will put it up a topic soon after this)
20:31:25 <sijis> also, from my perspective too.. i think that it gives confidence and welcomeness to folks if they belong to a 'group'.
20:31:45 * hiemanshu nods
20:31:53 <sijis> so, if soneone wasn'ts to be part of 'web', thats ok.. they wouldn't have access to anything but its a start
20:31:56 * giarc agrees with sijis
20:32:26 <hiemanshu> anything else on this ?
20:32:36 <sijis> i'll put a draft together for this email and work with ricky on it
20:32:37 <hiemanshu> onekopaka_laptop: you wanna write the email?
20:32:46 <sijis> we'll plan on sending it a couple of days
20:32:49 <hiemanshu> sijis: good enough
20:33:08 <hiemanshu> #action sijis to work with ricky and write the email to be sent
20:33:31 <hiemanshu> #info web to be a tracking group and a new group to give access
20:33:41 <hiemanshu> urgh
20:33:52 <hiemanshu> #info web to be a tracking group and make a new group to give git access
20:33:55 <hiemanshu> better :)
20:34:03 <hiemanshu> anything else?
20:34:53 <hiemanshu> #topic Procedure for giving git access yeah
20:34:57 <hiemanshu> #topic Procedure for giving git access
20:35:01 <hiemanshu> damn typo :(
20:35:17 <hiemanshu> So the plan I have in mind right now
20:35:25 * giarc is now on conf call and has one eye on the meeting
20:35:41 <hiemanshu> Is not to give access to anyone or everyone to the git repo
20:35:47 <hiemanshu> and have a written procedure for it
20:35:59 <hiemanshu> What I plan on is that, they become a part of web
20:36:05 <hiemanshu> and then find something to work on
20:36:12 <hiemanshu> make a patch send it to the list
20:36:24 <hiemanshu> once it has alteast a couple of +1 give access
20:36:29 <hiemanshu> to the git repo
20:36:34 <hiemanshu> comments?
20:36:46 <onekopaka_laptop> I give that 1
20:36:49 <onekopaka_laptop> +1*
20:37:00 <sijis> i'm ok with that.
20:37:09 <sijis> tht's sorta what is done now.. just informally
20:37:35 <hiemanshu> nope, we have people find something to work on and just give git access
20:37:45 <hiemanshu> even though they dont actually do anything
20:38:20 <hiemanshu> moving to the next topic
20:38:25 <hiemanshu> #topic alpha release
20:38:28 <hiemanshu> sijis: jump in
20:38:38 <sijis> ok. so this is the F13 release schedule
20:38:51 <sijis> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule
20:39:05 <sijis> right now, alpha is targeted for 2010-03-02
20:39:14 <sijis> so, a couple of things
20:39:23 <sijis> a - we should be aware of it
20:39:38 <sijis> b - start thinking about the 'want beta?' headers on pages
20:39:53 <sijis> c - any projects that should be completed by then or by F13.
20:40:19 <sijis> i for 1, have to get complete the get-* pages for fp.o
20:40:39 <sijis> so i'm going to need help with that
20:40:39 <hiemanshu> sijis: are the design ready yet?
20:40:50 * hiemanshu will be around to help
20:41:15 <sijis> yeah, the design is availe
20:41:19 * sijis is finding hte link
20:41:27 * onekopaka_laptop could possibly help
20:41:32 <sijis> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign_2009/Mockups/Get.fpo
20:41:41 <sijis> its in a git branch
20:41:44 <hiemanshu> I wont be here much for the next couple of weeks though
20:41:49 <onekopaka_laptop> Mid-Winter break is coming closer
20:41:57 <giarc> sijis, i can lend a hand
20:41:58 <onekopaka_laptop> for me
20:42:01 <onekopaka_laptop> week after next
20:43:12 <hiemanshu> sijis: anything else?
20:43:27 <sijis> nope.
20:43:40 <hiemanshu> #topic Open Floor
20:43:40 <sijis> so, any hlep would be appreciated
20:44:00 <hiemanshu> I have $work stuff to do next couple of weeks and then i am off to pune (for a talk on genshi and a fedora remixing workshop) Hoping to find some new contributors
20:44:23 <sijis> oh, last thign.. i'm targeting that date.. worse case by Beta on 2010-04-06
20:45:24 <hiemanshu> sijis: I am here after the 22nd
20:45:32 <hiemanshu> jam packed till the 22nd
20:45:57 <sijis> ok.
20:46:10 <sijis> any new folks around that want to introduce themselves?
20:46:28 <hiemanshu> I dont think so
20:46:46 <hiemanshu> I will close the meeting if I dont have anything in a few
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20:47:14 <hiemanshu> Thanks for coming all
20:47:17 <hiemanshu> #endmeeting