20:01:25 <sijis> #startmeeting
20:01:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jan 22 20:01:25 2010 UTC.  The chair is sijis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:01:35 <sijis> #topic Who's here
20:01:39 * hiemanshu 
20:01:41 <hiemanshu> mchua: ping
20:01:54 <nullsys> here
20:02:05 <hiemanshu> ricky: ping
20:02:16 <sijis> i'm hoping tmz would be able to stop by. he said he wasn't sure.
20:02:30 * ricky is around for ~20 minutes
20:02:37 * giarc is here
20:02:45 <tmz> sijis: I'll pop in, though I'm only partially here.
20:02:51 * maxamillion is here because hiemanshu said to be ... not sure what all I can contribute but willing to help where able :)
20:02:56 <sijis> tmz: that's cool.
20:03:13 <sijis> okay, cool. lot of folks.
20:03:22 <sijis> #topic follow-ups
20:03:35 <hiemanshu> mo is not here, and mchua looks busy
20:03:38 <sijis> last meeting (~2weeks ago), i needed to follow up for a few things
20:03:45 <sijis> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2010-01-08/fedora-websites.2010-01-08-20.00.html
20:03:58 <sijis> in the actions section..
20:04:29 <sijis> 1 - mizmo mentioned that get.fp.o is seperate that the whole fp.o redesign, primarily since fp.o design is not finalized
20:04:52 <sijis> 2 - nb reached out for help and nullsys has been helping out with blogs.fp.o
20:04:54 * mchua here
20:05:00 <sijis> and hopefully getting that moving along
20:05:22 <sijis> 3 - ricky.. i haven't followed up with him on blogs.stg.fp.o but i will
20:05:30 <ricky> value01.stg is build but doesn't have NFS
20:05:51 <ricky> I'm not sure why blogs is broken though - I suspect it's up to being a config issue, since we all know how much wordpres-mu likes different paths
20:06:04 <ricky> Oh, and I need to do a db import to db1.stg
20:06:05 <hiemanshu> ricky: blogs has been fixed now
20:06:06 <sijis> haha. is there a db ready for it too?
20:06:09 <ricky> Which I'll gt now
20:06:25 <nullsys> yeah I have some info on blogs
20:06:37 <hiemanshu> nullsys: wait for your turn :)
20:06:40 <sijis> oh, okay. so there is some work to be done for stg. that's find.
20:07:09 <sijis> ok, lets roll this into blogs status
20:07:18 <sijis> #topic blogs.fp.o status
20:07:27 <sijis> nullsys: go ahead, whats gong on with it
20:07:39 <nullsys> ~1 - The login/signup redirect issue has been solved by a small edit to the wp-login.php file. Simply hard-coding the redirect line instead of a variable fixed the issue.
20:07:52 <nullsys> ~2 - "Control Panel" still has the same effect as login used to. This will probably be a similar solution, but the right line needs to be found as it is associated with a wordpress function, so it will just take a dedicated hour or two to resolve.
20:08:07 <nullsys> ~3 - I do know that these issues are caused by the use of /wp/ in the redirects. Is it nessecary to have the wordpress installation in this folder, if not moving it outside of it may resolve this issue.
20:08:25 <nullsys> ~4 - No issues at all with the rest of blogs.* that I can see, been using it fine over the week
20:08:38 <nullsys> :)
20:08:44 <sijis> that's good news. the primarily its redirects
20:08:45 <hiemanshu> nullsys: Issue no 3 is to be spoken to infra team
20:08:57 <ricky> I'd really like to avoid patching other files of wordpress-mu
20:09:13 <ricky> If there's no way, suggest upstream involvement to make a way :-)
20:09:54 <nullsys> Thats why its been difficult to resolve. Since I believe wp-login.php has been modified already, I thought it best to just find a solution that file. That way the changes are only made in one place.
20:10:11 <sijis> #chair hiemanshu
20:10:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: hiemanshu sijis
20:10:31 <hiemanshu> nullsys: but the admin login function is in a functions file
20:10:38 <hiemanshu> Which is really not a good idea to edit
20:11:01 <sijis> ricky: i agree, let's keep the modification of other files to a minimum. but if we are already modifying wp-login.php, then let's butcher it
20:11:16 <nullsys> Understood, which is why I dont want to edit that file, but continue searching for a solution wp-login.php similar to the first login fix.
20:11:19 <sijis> wp allows function overrides. we could look into that
20:11:19 <ricky> Are we modifying them?
20:11:23 <ricky> I thought we were only touching wp-signup.ph
20:11:37 <hiemanshu> ricky: no wp-signup was modified
20:11:45 <hiemanshu> sijis: yes we ll have to look into that
20:12:08 <ricky> OK, so ideally leave wp-login.php alone.  Even the wp-signup changes should be made upstream
20:12:27 <nullsys> As far as I can understand, its simply a case of changing a variable assignment thats coming from the admin_url() function. That should be overridden in wp-login to fix it, just like the first edit.
20:12:30 <hiemanshu> ricky: its changes made to add some info
20:12:38 <ricky> Using a common ID for a file that we can't edit is something they should not do
20:14:04 <sijis> ricky: what do you mean "common ID"? you mean a file
20:14:08 <hiemanshu> This is something which should be looked into
20:14:18 <hiemanshu> because some changes are blogs.fp.o specific
20:14:27 <ricky> The first change we made to wp-signup.php was that they had <div id="content"> or something similarly generic which messed with our CSS
20:14:34 <nullsys> The redirect_to variable holds the current problems. If your requesting access to the wp-admin folder, this variable gets /wp/ added to it in a strange place. Just like the previous login error. Once located it should simply mean editing one variable.
20:14:40 <ricky> Then we added more changes later :-/
20:15:04 <ricky> But if this is causing us this much pain, it would be ideal to send a patch upstream to make this properly configurable.
20:15:16 <ricky> Otherwise, everybody else has to suffer just as much as we do :-)
20:15:24 <sijis> and are.
20:15:47 <hiemanshu> #action hiemanshu will look at the patches and send them upstream
20:15:51 <sijis> we can find the current fedora packager for wordpress-mu and see who he's been working with upstream
20:16:03 <hiemanshu> .whoowns wordpress-mu
20:16:03 <zodbot> hiemanshu: bretm
20:16:33 <sijis> but good point, we should try to avoid making changes to other files
20:16:38 <nullsys> It may still be possible that all this is caused by a faulty line in the apache rewrites.
20:17:00 <sijis> that's sort of a reason i'd like to get stg up and running to test the rewrites
20:17:01 <hiemanshu> nullsys: Trying to eliminate the rewrites will be a good idea
20:17:17 <ricky> Staging is up, it's just configured to redirect everything to the production site right now
20:17:43 <sijis> ok. thanks.
20:17:47 <sijis> anything else on blogs?
20:17:53 <ricky> There's also been a publictest setup for this which may be more accessible for nullsys - it's probably gone now, but can always be brought back
20:18:02 <nullsys> not from me :)
20:18:16 <nullsys> thanks, that might help. Its hard diagnosing and testing through someone else lol.
20:18:30 <hiemanshu> I ll setup an env for nullsys
20:18:37 <hiemanshu> ricky: can you sponspor him ?
20:18:49 <ricky> He's already in sysadmin-test
20:18:54 <hiemanshu> ah great
20:19:05 <hiemanshu> nullsys: remind me after the meeting, I ll do it for you
20:19:11 <nullsys> thanks, will do :)
20:19:21 <hiemanshu> sijis: move ahead
20:19:21 <sijis> ok, moving on
20:19:34 <sijis> #topic start.fp.o
20:19:40 <sijis> this should be real quick.
20:20:03 <sijis> so ricky helped me change start.fp.o from a static page to using genshi
20:20:14 <sijis> so now it can be translated.
20:20:32 <sijis> i didn't realize it but this was requested like 2yrs ago.. hey, it got done. whohoo
20:20:35 <sijis> thanks ricky for the help
20:20:42 <sijis> that's it
20:20:46 <ricky> Thanks sijis for finally getting that translatable :-)
20:20:48 * hiemanshu claps for sijis and ricky
20:20:54 <nullsys> :)
20:21:02 * ricky has to go in a few minutes - I was wondering, was splitting fedora-web on the list for this meeting?
20:21:08 <hiemanshu> ricky: yup
20:21:14 <sijis> yeah, its further down
20:21:16 <sijis> we can move it up
20:21:20 <hiemanshu> sijis: bring it up now
20:21:24 <sijis> let's do that. if you're leaving shortly
20:21:26 <ricky> That'd be good - I have a couple of questions about that
20:21:35 <sijis> #topic fedora-web repo split
20:21:45 <hiemanshu> ricky: go ahead
20:21:53 <sijis> ok, so there's been a talk about splitting it up
20:22:01 <ricky> OK, so this would be a pretty big change, and the web group is still pretty small and close
20:22:02 <sijis> so each site has a seperate git repo
20:22:05 <ricky> What's the gain from this?
20:22:27 <ricky> Note that each repo would have a separate copy of a lot of the same stuff like the build scripts
20:22:37 <ricky> I'd like to move away from that and centralize the build stuff to one locatoin if possible
20:22:51 <ricky> It sucks making a change to build.py and having to re-make the change in three different directories
20:23:14 <tmz> ricky: Bring common/Makefile to fedora-web.git. ;)
20:23:32 <ricky> So I'd make centralizing that as important that splitting the repo - especially since we still have just a few people working on all the websites
20:23:49 <ricky> tmz: Haha, I was thinking about whether that was something we wanted to copy :-)
20:24:22 <hiemanshu> ricky: the main idea I still have in mind is to be able to give access to spin maintainers
20:24:24 <tmz> ricky: Nothing wrong with a common build dir, that would be nice, for the reasons you mentioned.
20:24:29 <hiemanshu> and not affect other websites
20:24:50 <tmz> Is spins the only thing that needs separate ACLs?
20:24:50 * sijis see hiemanshu's comment
20:25:04 <ricky> As a side note, I'm less worried about access to fedora-web now that it's not built as root on puppet1
20:26:01 <hiemanshu> btw who came up with the idea? was it sijis or mmcgrath ?
20:26:03 <tmz> I'm also curious if spins really need separate perms, i.e. are there a lot of untrusted folks asking to make changes there?
20:26:03 <sijis> my concern is not giving people access. but at some point, we can't have any website 'dumped' into the repo.
20:26:26 <ricky> I wouldn't mind luring some spins.fp.o maintainers into helping with the web team, if you know what I mean :-)
20:26:35 <sijis> haha.
20:26:41 <hiemanshu> tmz: you cant trust everyone :)
20:26:42 <sijis> maxamillion: ^^
20:26:43 <ricky> Anyway, that's just my thought on the repo split ida
20:27:00 <ricky> There are just some things like the copies of build.py that I'd like to get solved first
20:27:07 <maxamillion> sijis: sorry ... trying to mulit task and failing at it
20:27:13 <sijis> i agree. i don't think its *needed* now that its small, but we should at least talk about it
20:27:49 <sijis> maxamillion: see ricky's comment a few lines above :)
20:27:49 <maxamillion> I'd love to offer my help to the web team but my web skills are lacking ... I don't even really know css :(
20:27:49 <ricky> (On the other hand, the act of doing it is actually pretty simple with standard git tools)
20:28:00 <tmz> hiemanshu: Heh, sure. ;)  Though that's why we have folks send patches or setup a git repo we can pull from.
20:28:11 <hiemanshu> tmz: right :)
20:28:13 <maxamillion> I can do content updates and such though, I'd be very willing for that
20:28:57 <hiemanshu> I am not sure if this is needed *right now* but well we'll have to do it sooner or later
20:28:57 <ricky> With that, I must be off - thanks for running the meeting, sijis
20:29:04 <sijis> ricky: no problem.. talk later
20:29:10 <hiemanshu> ricky: have fun
20:29:11 <tmz> Later ricky.
20:29:19 <sijis> so, maybe our efforts should be to consolidate the build scripts.
20:29:41 <sijis> and we can table the split at some other point in time
20:29:50 <sijis> tmz: you willing to help with that?
20:30:00 <tmz> sijis: I can, time permitting.
20:30:23 <sijis> i'll help.. not sure what common/Makefile was all about though
20:30:27 <hiemanshu> doesnt every website have it own build script already
20:30:34 <hiemanshu> and own makefil
20:30:39 <hiemanshu> Makefile**
20:30:45 <tmz> If we just want to keep things the same, using make <target>, it should be fairly straightforward to come up with a common dir for build scripts.
20:30:48 <sijis> hiemanshu: it does
20:30:48 <hiemanshu> we can just split up the dirs
20:31:45 <sijis> tmz: will we gain better build times because of it?
20:32:00 <sijis> i know easier management would be a plus
20:32:11 <tmz> I doubt that, we'd just avoid the duplication of the scripts
20:32:32 <tmz> But hey, ricky might have grand plans I don't know about.
20:32:51 <sijis> we'll have to pick his brain for insights :)
20:33:32 <tmz> The way to do is to commit something poor to the repo and then he'll find time to fix it and show us how it's done.
20:33:37 <tmz> ;)
20:33:46 <sijis> haha.
20:33:53 <nullsys> lol
20:34:02 <sijis> any other concerns/question on ths repo split?
20:34:26 <hiemanshu> nope
20:34:32 <tmz> It's a trivial thing to do with git, so if we ever need or want to, that part's simple.
20:34:46 <sijis> ok. that's good to know.
20:34:58 <sijis> #topic Fedora Insight
20:35:03 <sijis> mchua: ping
20:35:33 * tmz wanders off again
20:35:35 * hiemanshu hides from mizmo
20:35:39 <hiemanshu> err mchua **
20:35:39 <mchua> Here!
20:35:43 <mchua> FI update...
20:35:44 <mizmo> hi hiemanshu
20:35:49 <sijis> mchua: yup
20:35:55 <sijis> floor is yours
20:35:55 <mchua> Zikula work, right now, is all "get Fedora Insight to staging" - once we do that we'll have /a/ zikula deployment and can figure out how to move further on that and pick up again on the others.
20:35:59 <mchua> #info all zikula conversation centering around the logistics mailing list
20:36:02 <mchua> #link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics
20:36:05 <mchua> #info In order to get it to staging we need complete working install instructions - from zero to "congratulations, you made a Fedora Insight clone!" - at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Short_URLs_System.
20:36:09 <mchua> Websites-wise, this is the most helpful recent update:
20:36:11 <mchua> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2010-January/000327.html
20:36:14 <mchua> Immediate help needed with fixing the theme and theme package, because right now the theme package makes the site look like this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Zikula-theme-bug.png
20:36:18 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Design - help with Fedora Insight CSS/js tickets
20:36:21 <mchua> I think what we could use, for the next week, is someone from Websites (who, unlike me, knows how to make CSS and CMSes work nicely together and can figure out what needs to happen on these tickets and the package) to be a temporary Fedora Insight Theme Project Manager and do whatever it takes to get the theme package into a workable state.
20:36:26 <mchua> I am happy to serve as that person's minion and help them pull in people/resources as needed, but I do not have the skillz needed to drive that car.
20:36:29 <mchua> EOF
20:36:40 <mchua> questions, comments, volunteers? ;)
20:36:52 <hiemanshu> mchua: still waiting to find time for FI :P
20:37:14 <mchua> hiemanshu: *thank you* for getting the ball rolling on this - basically, I think we need another week of exactly what you did last time.
20:37:28 <mchua> making it possible for people to pick up tasks and get work done (and check out the css, etc)
20:37:29 <hiemanshu> mchua: btw I did tell you about the bug
20:37:36 <hiemanshu> And I know whats causing it
20:37:56 <hiemanshu> its a div package that should be fixed
20:38:28 <hiemanshu> mchua: I should be able to have my hands free by tuesday
20:38:55 <sijis> mchua: who is the person doing tht theme packaging?
20:39:07 <nullsys> I would like to donate some time to the project too, but not for a while, want to make sure blog and fedora-uk are up first.
20:39:09 <mchua> sijis: hiemanshu has done the heavy lifting so far.
20:39:33 <mchua> nullsys: noted. :) if those get clear, we'd love the help.
20:39:35 <sijis> so if we need someone to reference, we can get him?
20:39:45 <mchua> hiemanshu: ^^?
20:39:50 <nullsys> thanks mchua, I'd be happy too. Im sure it will be < 1 week.
20:39:59 <hiemanshu> sijis: sure
20:40:21 <hiemanshu> sijis: I have taken over the theme part
20:40:35 <sijis> hiemanshu: ok, great.
20:40:51 <hiemanshu> mchua: Tuesday it is, I ll need some help from itbegins
20:41:10 <hiemanshu> mchua: and the bug can be fixed via a simple zikula conf
20:41:49 <mchua> hiemanshu: awesome, thanks - should we try to pull in itbegins on irc at the same time as you?
20:41:49 <hiemanshu> or by making the div hidden
20:41:52 <mchua> .fasinfo itbegins
20:41:53 <zodbot> mchua: User: itbegins, Name: Simon Birtwistle, email: simon@zikula.org, Creation: 2009-01-29, IRC Nick: itbegins, Timezone: GMT, Locale: en, Extension: 5123794, GPG key ID: , Status: active
20:41:57 <hiemanshu> which is not a good idea though
20:41:57 <zodbot> mchua: Approved Groups: cla_done docs sysadmin ambassadors cla_fedora sysadmin-test sysadmin-devel cmsadmin gitfedora-cms gitfedora-zikula gitfedora-insight-theme
20:42:01 <zodbot> mchua: Unapproved Groups: web sysadmin-web
20:42:14 <mchua> hiemanshu: I know that itbegins is on the logistics list, so any questions you send there he's usually quite responsive to.
20:42:15 <hiemanshu> mchua: that would be ideal for me
20:42:19 <mchua> (within a day or so)
20:42:59 <hiemanshu> thats about it from me
20:43:16 <mchua> hiemanshu: I'll ping you, itbegins, and logistics and try to arrange that
20:43:17 <giarc> i have offered help on tickets 87 and 88
20:43:20 <mchua> thanks!
20:43:32 <sijis> giarc: great!
20:43:37 <hiemanshu> mchua: and please try and keep it after the tuesday :)
20:43:53 <sijis> mchua: is there a deadline you are trying to hit?
20:44:03 <giarc> i should be seting up a local instance and working there? correct?
20:44:04 <mchua> giarc: yay! do you need any help getting started? (maybe hiemanshu can answer questions?)
20:44:25 <hiemanshu> giarc: that would be ideal but Fedora 12 does not like ZIkula
20:44:27 <hiemanshu> Zikula**
20:44:32 <giarc> oh, hm
20:44:38 <giarc> what OS should I use? F11
20:44:42 <hiemanshu> Fedora 12 has php 5.3.0 and zikula doesnt support it
20:44:47 <giarc> ah
20:45:06 <sijis> that should be in the 'install guide' mentioned above
20:45:07 <hiemanshu> (because of some dumb ass functions that are no longer in php 5.3.0)
20:45:18 <mchua> sijis: We want to be using the site by Alpha public availability, which is March 2nd, so I want to get it in production by Feb 16.
20:45:50 <hiemanshu> sijis: I am working on patches for Zikula
20:45:51 <sijis> so in ~4wks
20:46:04 <hiemanshu> and php 5.3.0 and then probably send it upstream
20:46:10 <mchua> sijis: Yes. So we have to be on staging in 3 at the absolute latest.
20:46:36 <sijis> ok.
20:47:06 <sijis> anything else that should be mentioned?
20:47:12 * hiemanshu has nothing
20:47:39 <sijis> mchua: ohh yeah, i'll try to help as much as i can. my focus has been on get.fp.o.
20:48:03 <mchua> Thanks!
20:48:14 <sijis> #topic User Gallery
20:48:18 <mchua> *really* appreciate all the help here, we couldn't do FI without ya.
20:48:19 * mchua out
20:48:21 <sijis> hiemanshu: its all you.
20:48:28 <hiemanshu> yeah
20:48:39 <hiemanshu> SO User Gallery has just been an idea so far
20:48:54 <hiemanshu> And I have been working on the plans for it
20:49:01 <hiemanshu> Its going to be using Genshi on it
20:49:17 <hiemanshu> and having a few interviews of people who came up from different places
20:49:23 <hiemanshu> and different background
20:49:40 <hiemanshu> to Fedora as a contributor/user and where they are right now
20:50:15 <hiemanshu> I am working on the mockups, and planning to get it as close to the new site redesigns
20:50:25 <hiemanshu> but I could use some help with the mockups too
20:50:41 <hiemanshu> I did plan on using Zikula (as CMS)
20:50:57 <hiemanshu> but dint want to burden the resources with another db and php app
20:51:15 <sijis> does zikula offer a gallery plugin or anythign like that?
20:51:23 <hiemanshu> sijis: Yes it does
20:51:30 <hiemanshu> but user gallery here is something different
20:51:33 <hiemanshu> mizmo: ping
20:52:02 <hiemanshu> nullsys said he bugged me with an email that I never recieved so it looks like we hvae someone ready to help
20:52:24 <hiemanshu> I ll probably grab tatica or mizmo for a mockup
20:52:36 <sijis> yeah nullsys has seemed quite interested in user gallery
20:52:56 <nullsys> lol Yes, im willing to help out. Again at a diminished capacity until the other projects are further down the road, but from what you have been talking about it sounds like a nice project.
20:53:09 <hiemanshu> I am putting it up for Fedora 13 Final
20:53:09 <sijis> i haven't been on #fedora-design but there may be someone there that *may* be of assistance too
20:53:31 <hiemanshu> sijis: I ll have to look in -design, cause I dint see anyone take up a ticket for the last 3 motnhs
20:53:34 <hiemanshu> months**
20:53:42 <hiemanshu> (on a different project though)
20:53:47 <sijis> ah, gotcha.
20:54:20 <hiemanshu> so I know two people right now, i.e. mizmo and tatica
20:55:10 <hiemanshu> SO i ll be bugging em for a mockup and ask nullsys for help while converting it to HTML
20:55:14 <hiemanshu> thats it from me
20:55:21 <nullsys> :)
20:55:34 <sijis> ok, cool.
20:55:43 <sijis> the fun stuff
20:55:56 <sijis> #topic Intro / New folks
20:56:03 <hiemanshu> nullsys: go on
20:56:31 <nullsys> hmm?
20:56:45 <hiemanshu> sijis: do we act like *cough*seniors*cought* to em ?
20:56:53 <sijis> nullsys: give is a quick intro about yourself
20:57:05 <nullsys> cool will do...
20:57:34 * sijis anyone else that wants to introduce themselves, please feel free
20:58:01 <giarc> heh, well, i am not so new to the group, but have not been around a lot lately
20:58:26 <giarc> my name is Craig, and i have helped out a little with websites for a few years off and on
20:58:53 <nullsys> Hello all ;) some of you have met me over the past week. Its been great to help out where I can! Hmm, well...Im in the UK, 26. Over the past 10 years i've been a security administrator on various unix based networks, I've run two hosting companies in the UK and had a brief stint at Google working as a web analyst. My training and education has always been ICT related and im currently working towards me masters
20:58:53 <nullsys> in ICT. Im in uni in the uk. I love working on site design, development and programming. More info can be seen here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Nullsys
20:59:26 <nullsys> And thanks for the warm welcome from everyone :)
20:59:34 <hiemanshu> Welcome nullsys :D
20:59:40 <sijis> welcome nullsys
20:59:53 <sijis> giarc: welcome back? :)
20:59:56 <hiemanshu> sijis: we never had this should we introduce our selfs too?
21:00:03 <nullsys> oh and incase anyone is interested im also working on landofthezed.com. A Google MAP API browser game, where the gameboard is the world :)
21:00:13 <nullsys> lol
21:00:22 <sijis> yeah, i guess we can
21:00:28 <hiemanshu> sijis: you go on :)
21:00:37 <sijis> giarc: i have noticed some of your commits in the repo :)
21:00:49 <giarc> yeah, i have no idea who you guys are, but thanks for hard work on making the web team go!
21:01:19 <giarc> sijis, hope they were OK for you ;)
21:01:43 <sijis> so, i'm 29, Chicago, IL - USA. I'm a sysadmin. I work on Windows (95%) and Linux (5%) of my day. been around the web group for ~8months.
21:01:59 <hiemanshu> I am a Student Doing my engg in India, 20 years of age. I have been working as a freelancer for the last 2 years. Joined fedora around the release of Fedora 11
21:02:03 <sijis> giarc: yeah, totally fine changes.
21:02:33 <giarc> oh, i am 37, live in NJ and working as software dev for just over 10 years
21:02:57 * hiemanshu feels young
21:03:01 <nullsys> hehe you are :P
21:03:03 * giarc feels old
21:03:10 <giarc> :)
21:03:56 <nullsys> Great! That was nice to hear from everyone :)
21:03:59 <hiemanshu> Oh btw I am also a passoinate gamer
21:04:19 <hiemanshu> and have captained my school soccer team, was a part of my state basketball team too
21:04:52 <hiemanshu> #topic Open Floor
21:05:00 * giarc uses linux 99% of his time, and windows to just test IE bugs ;)
21:05:04 * sijis sorry. i had to step away
21:05:14 <nullsys> wb
21:05:26 <nullsys> Funnily enough giarc, at home im probably 75% windows.
21:05:28 <hiemanshu> giarc: I use Windows to game :D
21:05:34 <nullsys> Me too
21:05:48 <nullsys> Armed Assault mostly. Been a developer for that for 2 years now.
21:05:50 <hiemanshu> Is there anything else for now?
21:05:52 <sijis> giarc: do you use Fedora? :)
21:05:58 <giarc> sijis, of course!
21:06:08 <hiemanshu> Oh, I use Ubuntu
21:06:08 <giarc> since redhat 6 :)
21:06:17 <sijis> giarc: what lang do you dev in?
21:06:32 <sijis> my first Fedora was FC6
21:06:37 <giarc> py, ruby, php, javascript, and i know some java
21:06:47 <hiemanshu> If we dont have anything, I ll close the meeting in 30
21:06:48 <sijis> giarc: that's cool.
21:06:48 <giarc> i have dabbled with objective-c
21:07:13 <hiemanshu> .....
21:07:14 <sijis> any web related questions...?
21:07:15 <hiemanshu> ....
21:07:16 <hiemanshu> ...
21:07:18 <hiemanshu> ..
21:07:19 <hiemanshu> .
21:07:22 <hiemanshu> #endmeeting