04:29:46 <mchua> #startmeeting
04:29:46 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 10 04:29:46 2009 UTC.  The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:30:26 <YeLong> it seems the network is faster than before, e ?
04:30:54 <YeLong> but i have to say
04:31:24 <YeLong> FP needs do more, such as friendly GUI. haha
04:32:04 <xinyi> #info
04:33:02 <YeLong> it's time to lunch, everybody.
04:35:31 <martz927> yups
05:04:59 <sijis> mizmo: are you against if i add the 'language form' at the bottom of the sidebar?
05:30:48 <sijis> mizmo: i commited the changes for the lang select.
05:31:23 <sijis> mchua: you'll need to git pull to see any changes i've made
05:32:20 <sijis> everyone, thanks.. enjoy!
05:32:24 * sijis heads to bed.
05:35:10 <mchua> sijis_afk: ooh, thanks!
05:55:22 <mchua> Is there anyone here still awake who's done website html editing before (with the git checkout of the website)?
05:55:34 <mchua> We're having some trouble figuring out how to see the work we've done.
05:56:04 <mchua> Specifically, what URL should we be typing into our browser bar to see the page with the skin applied?
05:56:21 <mchua> (this is from xinyi and YeLong) ^^
05:57:16 <YeLong> here
05:58:08 <mchua> xinyi, YeLong - we're about to explain the rest of the afternoon's schedule, so it's okay if we don't finish today
05:58:29 <YeLong> wait and see , haha
12:47:36 <tmz> mchua: you may have got this by now, but to test and view local changes you use 'make && make test' then visit http://localhost:5000/
12:48:29 <tmz> (The 'make && make test' is run from a particular site directory in the fedora-web repository, e.g. spins.fedoraproject.org)
12:58:00 <tmz> Oh, and I probably should mention that when you're done testing or want to update with new changes, run 'make stoptest' to stop the http server.
15:44:13 <sijis> mchua: aftery ou make changes, you type: make en test (for english) or make all test (for all languages)
15:44:42 <sijis> mchua: you have to be inside the root of a site.. eg spins.fp.o, fp.o, etc
15:45:12 <sijis> mchua: when that compiles, it'll show you the url, which is http://localhost:5000
15:46:08 <mchua> sijis: when we tried that, I believe we got just a page with no css
15:46:59 <sijis> hmm.. the css files should be placed in */static/css/
15:47:11 <sijis> (or anywhere in /static/ really)
16:00:18 <sijis> mchua: i sure hope it was succesful yesterday.
16:00:26 <sijis> i apologize i wasn't around to assist.
16:03:39 <mchua> sijis: that's totally ok - being able to talk with you yesterday was a big help
16:03:48 <mchua> sijis: successful in some ways, not in others
16:03:59 <mchua> sijis: in terms of "how far are we on the websites," answer is "not very"
16:04:12 <mchua> sijis: but they're learning how to get into the mindset of figuring out how to do things
16:04:29 <mchua> keeping up and asking questions on IRC, getting code with git (VCS was a new concept for a whole bunch of people)
16:04:57 <mchua> so their capacity to be able to do website stuff is rising - not sure if it is going to rise fast enough for us to tap it well
16:05:00 <sijis> ah, that's cool. get your feet wet :)
16:09:14 <mchua> sijis: yeah, I'll see if we can get at least a couple mostly finished sites out of it, and possibly some improved "how to help with sites" docs
16:27:09 <sijis> mchua: yup, any bit would definitely help
16:27:32 <mchua> sijis: if we get those instructions up maybe we should have a websites sprint party on IRC to get the rest done
16:36:49 <sijis> mchua: agreed. mizmo mentioned the same thing yesterday.
16:37:06 * sijis has never been part of a party :)
16:37:17 <sijis> *sprint party
16:37:36 <mchua> sijis: who's likely to want to come and when is good?
16:38:58 <sijis> from my point of view.. weekend/friday night. i can't do during the day.
16:39:42 <sijis> i would think 3-4 folks would join in.. hiemanshu, actown, onepoka(sp), nb, tmz, ricky (maybe)
16:39:56 <sijis> (my math doesn't match the list)
16:51:01 <mchua> sijis: I'd come if I could make the time
16:51:13 <mchua> in order to fold in the work we do this week at POSSE on the sites
05:04:30 <sijis> .members blogadmin-members
05:04:31 <zodbot> sijis: Members of blogadmin-members:
05:04:46 <sijis> .members blogadmin
05:04:47 <zodbot> sijis: Members of blogadmin: actown hiemanshu mmcgrath @nb onekopaka +ricky sijis
20:40:49 <Ac-town> mizmo: I should have get transrcibed by tonight
20:41:34 <mizmo> Ac-town: oh okay sweet
21:14:55 <ricky> mchua_afk, mizmo, sijis: Hey, since I haven't been around enough to sponsor new people to web, I'm making you all sponsors for the web group - hope you don't mind :-)
21:15:41 <ricky> .sponsors web
21:15:42 <zodbot> ricky: Sponsors for web: duffy ivazquez mchua @nman64 @quaid ricky sijis @skvidal
21:19:12 <quaid> +1
21:20:23 <mizmo> ricky: sounds good :)
21:31:24 <sijis> yay!
21:31:27 <sijis> (i guess)
21:31:28 <sijis> ;)
21:32:51 <sijis> ricky: on the docs.fp.o redirect/blank page.. they have some code in their cvs but it dones't seem to be replicating over. they have this: http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewvc/web/html/docs/install-guide/f11/index.php?revision=1.11&root=fedora&view=markup, but when you go to fp.o, the index.php page is not found (eg. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/index.php)
21:32:57 <sijis> i think that's some of the problem.
21:33:56 <ricky> Thanks, I John said he was working on it, and he'd ping me to do a docs sync once that's worked out
21:34:28 <sijis> i was talking/working with rudi and G last night (or the night before)..
21:35:05 <sijis> anyhow.. that's all i have on that.
21:35:15 * sijis still needs to send ricky those questions. :)
21:35:37 <ricky> I think John is jjmcd in #fedora-docs if you have some ideas about why it's not working
21:36:05 <ricky> Yeah, sorry I missed you over the weekend - huuuge project due Friday, so I'm pretty much dead this entire week :-/
21:39:52 <sijis> ricky: i thought it was just not syncing.. cuz that index.php file should be on the docs.fp.o server, but its not.
21:40:05 <sijis> it is in their cvs repo.
21:40:27 <sijis> .fas jjmcd
21:40:27 <zodbot> sijis: jjmcd 'John J. McDonough' <wb8rcr@arrl.net> - ajjmcd 'Andrew J.McDermott' <ajjmcd@gmail.com>
21:40:28 <ricky> The docs setup is some crazy process that converts PHP files into HTML
21:40:44 <ricky> I'm not sure who even understand the full history and way that those scripts work, but hopefully zikula will get rid of that stuff
21:41:04 <sijis> really? i looked at puppet and it just looked like a cvs checkout; copy from /temp/* to /srv/web/path/
21:41:49 <ricky> docs-sync is the script that does the building into the temp directory
21:42:05 <ricky> That uses the makefile in the docs cvs checkout, which does the crazy PHP + sedding stuff
21:42:41 <ricky> Oh.  Actually, I may be talking about the old setup for docs.fp.o
21:43:11 <ricky> For the new publican docs, maybe it's different
21:43:26 <ricky> But this is the one I was referring to: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/web/?root=fedora
21:44:07 <ricky> Hmm.
21:44:32 <ricky> Actually, the output of that PHP script would be a blank file, since the build process runs PHP on all of the php files and saves the output
21:44:46 <ricky> So I think the fix might be to use a (sigh) meta redirect instead.
21:44:52 <sijis> oh.. its converts from php to html
21:44:59 <ricky> Fun, huh?  :-P
21:45:28 <sijis> that's why the index.php is not found when i use the full path: docs.fp.o/path/index.php
21:45:51 <sijis> i thought it just copies the php files.. not do an actual convertion
21:46:01 <sijis> s/convertion/conversion
21:48:45 <mether> ianweller, ricky someone seems to be vandalizing the wiki. see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
21:49:10 <mether> Siavash1917 is wreaking the wiki
22:02:20 <Ac-town> yay wiki administration
22:28:23 <sijis> Ac-town: how's it going?
22:29:45 <Ac-town> good, yourself sijis?
22:35:11 <ianweller> mether: looking
22:35:26 <mether> ianweller, ricky already looked
22:35:31 <mether> might want to coordinate
22:35:34 <mether> in #fedora-admin
22:37:55 <ianweller> mether: noted
22:54:38 <sijis> Ac-town: alright. just trying to figure out why this deployment job didn't work at $realjob
22:56:31 <biertie> ctyler: ping
22:59:08 <ctyler> biertie: pong
22:59:25 <biertie> I've mailed the word list to the mailing list (for the T shirt)
22:59:38 <biertie> I want to redo it too, but ok
23:00:17 <biertie> I have looked to my berling T shirt btw, and on that T shirt not all the words are readable too, so I don't know if it was *so* important, but ok.. QA is ok ;-)
23:02:01 <ctyler> biertie: thanks for sending that.
23:02:02 <ctyler> it wasn't readability as much as printability (blue-over-white without the white spilling out), according to the t-shirt place.
23:02:36 <biertie> ctyler: search a better printer! :D because I can't see any white on my T shirt
23:02:42 <biertie> but ok, I believe him =)
23:03:23 <ctyler> i have no idea about this issue, but they've done awesome work for us in the past (they just ran 260 shirts for us, and did a really nice job, on 48 hours notice :-)
23:04:00 <biertie> cool :)
23:09:10 <mchua> ctyler: biertie: ooo, FUDCon shirts! Glad to hear those worked out - thanks for taking on the design (and revision) fu!
23:09:34 <mchua> ricky: thanks for the sponsorship-fu, we'll be wielding it today.
23:51:10 <sijis> mchua: i'm sure you will :)
04:49:42 <sijis> tmz: good find ealier on the redirection.
15:31:06 <tmz> sijis: Heh, it helped that I remembered editing that redirect last time. :)
16:14:59 <sijis> tmz: ahh. i bet.
16:16:12 <sijis> tmz: we need to update the SOP this time around. (i never helped on websites during a release, so i have minimal clue on what needs to get done)
16:16:51 <tmz> sijis: I only helped for the beta (or maybe it was alpha?), so I know too little as well.
16:16:55 <sijis> my thoughts are: change links, change redirects,
16:17:13 <tmz> But that's where we got the start on the SOP.  We should definitely strive to improve that each time.
16:17:23 <sijis> agreed.
16:17:47 <sijis> i know there is a task to convert the website to HTML and during the first couple of days, that is what folks see.
16:17:57 <sijis> then we go back to our usual hourly make.
16:18:03 <sijis> i have no idea how's that done
16:18:25 <tmz> I think that's all infrastructure side
16:21:29 <sijis> really? making the pages static? (and i think using http)
16:23:27 <tmz> I don't know that, I just thought it would be.
16:23:33 <tmz> And you mean http instead of https?
16:40:06 <sijis> yeah, if i remember correctly.. for major releases, they make the site http and its all static (so make doesn't build hourly as it normally does)
16:40:56 <sijis> i believe the thought is so that the pages load quicker and less overhead on systems when using https, since a lot of folks would be hitting the site to download and get info
16:43:36 <tmz> As long as that doesn't redirect pages like /keys and /verify to http://, I suppose that's fine.
16:44:25 <sijis> i dont remember the details.
16:45:42 <sijis> i just remember asking.. why to http.. answer was generally to save cycles
16:51:57 <tmz> Yeah, makes sense.
16:57:07 <sijis> why the concern with /verify /keys ?
17:07:14 <tmz> It's important to be able to ensure a secure connection when verifying key fingerprints.
17:08:29 <tmz> We specifically use https:// URLs for those.  That way, if someone wants to establish trust in our keys, they can start with something more than just an http:// connection that isn't verifiable in any strong way.
17:09:43 <sijis> you mean, if they (individuals) directly link to the checksum files?
17:10:14 * sijis is looking at the files under /static
17:24:09 <tmz> I just know if I were coming to the site to verify the gpg keys, I'd expect it to be done via SSL.
17:24:26 <tmz> Anything less and it makes using GPG in the first place seem a lot less useful.
18:22:03 <sijis> tmz: understood.
18:23:27 <sijis> i agree. we want to provide users a safe environment to verify the OS/software.
19:35:54 <sijis> tmz: are you joining the infra meeting today?
22:00:54 <sijis> mizmo: i'm browsing through the spins site and its really looking good.
22:01:22 <sijis> i *really* need to complete the download page piece.
22:02:09 <sijis> mizmo: you've done a great job with the tweaks.
23:01:53 <sijis> ricky: yeah, i'm working on the blank download tab today/tomorrow.
23:02:07 <sijis> i'm just going to be spliting up whatever the torrent data provides. :)
23:02:30 * sijis was reading infra meeting log
23:18:49 <sijis> .fasinfo thekad
23:18:50 <zodbot> sijis: User "thekad" doesn't exist
23:19:00 <sijis> .fas kad
23:19:01 <zodbot> sijis: georgekada 'george kada' <georgekada@hotmail.com> - jilanidotnet 'Abdul Kader Jilani' <jilani_iubat@yahoo.com> - freeall '王立耀' <ajksdjkadhjd@yahoo.com.cn> - atomkarinca 'kadir yücel' <atomkarinca@gmail.com> - random 'Caleb Jasper Kinkade' <calebkin@gmail.com> - mukadr 'Mauro Dreissig' <mukadr@gmail.com> - kadionik 'PatriceKadionik' <kadionik@enseirb.fr> - buske 'Junior' <barkadventure@hotmail.com> - (8 more messages)
23:19:17 <sijis> .more
23:19:17 <zodbot> sijis: lucras 'karan kadakia' <karan.kadakia@gmail.com> - kada 'Kelcy Adamec' <kelcy.adamec@students.olin.edu> - pkaddi 'Phaneendra Kaddi' <phaneendra.kaddi@gmail.com> - fekadu 'Fekadu Asghedom' <fekadu.asghedom@gmail.com> - flick 'Serapio' <crackadict@hotmail.com> - darkadan 'Mario Pardo' <darkadan@gmail.com> - qnq 'akad' <romyo_julet@hotmail.com> - kcsr414 'chandrasekharreddykadira' <chandra414@yahoo.com> - (7 more messages)
23:19:27 <sijis> .more
23:19:27 <zodbot> sijis: mcsevishwa 'Vishwajeet Kadam' <vishwajeetkadam@rediffmail.com> - lafxl 'Brandon Kade Hoffman' <StudentOf33@Gmail.com> - abubeker 'abdulkadir' <bakri18@hotmail.com> - vinaykadiyam 'Vinay Reddy Kadiam' <vinaykadiyam@gmail.com> - tigro 'Arkady L. Shane' <ashejn@yandex-team.ru> - kadatabu 'Kada Tabu' <kadatabu@gmail.com> - arek081992ifedora 'Arkadiusz Wojar' <arek.3101@windowslive.com> - abdelkader 'mejri (6 more messages)
23:19:33 <sijis> .fasinfo kad
23:19:34 <zodbot> sijis: User: kad, Name: Jorge A Gallegos, email: kad@blegh.net, Creation: 2008-05-13, IRC Nick: thekad, Timezone: America/Los_Angeles, Locale: en, Extension: 5104819, GPG key ID: 0xAF056059, Status: active
23:19:37 <zodbot> sijis: Approved Groups: cla_done web sysadmin cvsl10n cla_fedora l10n-commits sysadmin-hosted
23:19:41 <zodbot> sijis: Unapproved Groups: sysadmin-web
23:23:15 <thekad> yeah?
23:23:18 <thekad> you rang?
23:28:21 <sijis> not exactly. i see your nick in/out but i've never spoken to you.
23:28:40 <sijis> so i was just curious on who is 'thekad' :)
23:29:24 <thekad> oh, heh, sorry, I move around quite a lot with the laptop, so I come from online to offline :)
23:31:21 <sijis> no need to apologize. i'm sure when i disconnect, people see that message too
23:51:52 <sijis> thekad: what do you do as a $dayjob?
23:53:13 <thekad> sijis: I work as a systems engineer at digg
23:56:01 <sijis> thekad: really? that's really cool.
23:56:31 <sijis> *dunno why i have so many 'really'
23:56:59 <sijis> thekad: are you on the db side or strickly OS?
23:57:39 <thekad> OS admin side, although I like snooping on the DB side from time to time
23:59:05 <sijis> you running RHEL i believe, no?
23:59:41 <sijis> i read some interesting article about digg's mysql cluster environment about 1+ yr ago. it was very neat.
00:00:00 <sijis> and how it also used caching (can't think of the technology off-hand)
00:00:27 <thekad> actually, they are a debian company
00:00:40 <thekad> I believe I'm the only guy running fedora :P
00:00:47 <thekad> on a macbook pro
00:00:51 <Ac-town> lol
00:00:56 <Ac-town> nothing wrong with debian
00:01:09 <thekad> nope, is pretty cool
00:01:12 <Ac-town> if you want stable, debian tends to be the way
00:02:52 <thekad> well, not so much stable, but debian has a pretty big collection of software
00:03:15 <Ac-town> well for servers its really stable
00:03:39 <sijis> the collection is huge for debian.
00:03:44 <Ac-town> (from what I have seen)
00:04:08 <thekad> rhas is too, or centos for that matter, most of the issues or stability is due to the guys behind it, as in every server
00:04:20 <thekad> but yeah, I would agree that out of the box, debian tends to be more stable
00:04:28 <Ac-town> yeah
00:04:40 <Ac-town> and they never really push updates, only security for the most part
00:05:04 <sijis> my first system was on debian.
00:05:10 <sijis> i loved apt-get...
00:05:16 <Ac-town> lol
00:05:53 <thekad> is awesome when installing/maintaining systems
00:05:57 <Ac-town> I started using linux on rh9
00:06:03 <Ac-town> so i've used yum for a while
00:06:07 <thekad> for packaging? I'd rather go with a simple .spec file
00:06:22 <sijis> i've never done any packaging
00:06:39 <thekad> I started with rh7
00:06:42 <sijis> mchua tried showing me once.. i was 'semi' lost :)
00:06:43 <Ac-town> yeah, no packaging for me
00:06:54 <thekad> we didn't have any fancy dep tool in those days :P
00:07:04 <thekad> my dependency tool was rpmfind.net
00:08:08 <sijis> hehe.
00:10:50 <Ac-town> lol
00:10:58 <Ac-town> rpmfind was nice
00:11:03 <Ac-town> but man, it can cause a lot of issues lol
00:11:38 <Ac-town> its more helpful now for finding a libary and then getting the name of the package
00:15:07 <sijis> rpmfind merged with another group, right?
00:15:14 <sijis> now its like rpmfusion
00:15:34 <thekad> no, rpmfind is just a rpm tracker
00:15:45 <thekad> search
00:15:51 <sijis> oh. must be thinking about something else then.
00:17:00 <thekad> dag weers
00:17:03 <thekad> and fresh rpm
00:27:14 <sijis> boy, i've been data entrying all day :(
00:34:55 <sijis> tmz: you have a min?
00:38:25 <sijis> tmz: nevermind.. although i will have a question later.
04:10:37 <sijis> ricky: ping
04:56:38 <hiemanshu> nb, ping
05:00:19 <nb> hiemanshu, pong kind of
05:01:26 <hiemanshu> nb, Do you think we should allow people to host only a limited number of blogs?
05:04:52 <nb> dunno
05:56:03 <sijis> why would taht be a concern?
19:52:18 <sijis> hiemanshu: how's it going?
19:55:48 <sijis> mizmo: i think all is done with 'spins'. (some very minor tweaks on the download tab)
19:56:08 <mizmo> sijis: yay :)
19:56:12 <mizmo> great job
19:56:16 <mizmo> i saw the new downloads tab
19:56:19 <ricky> Woo :-)
19:57:55 <sijis> yeah, i'm excited!
19:58:08 <sijis> however, content is still missing :(
19:58:35 <sijis> mizmo: i also added the 'click to enlarge' on those images too
20:05:32 <sijis> ricky: hey, you get your project done?
20:32:37 <sijis> .fas tmz
20:32:37 <zodbot> sijis: tmz 'Todd M. Zullinger' <tmz@pobox.com>
20:38:16 <sijis> tmz: got a git question for ya
20:38:33 <tmz> sijis: Shoot
20:39:44 <sijis> so, a few days ago, i was in get-redesign  branch
20:39:52 <sijis> and i modified the fedora.css file
20:40:10 <sijis> and added a image
20:40:32 <sijis> i couldn't go back to master because the image was causing problem (fedora.css, no issues)
20:40:43 <sijis> i had to do git reset HEAD /path/to/image
20:40:56 <sijis> once i did that i could go to master branch.
20:41:17 <sijis> question is.. what does that reset command do?
20:41:36 <sijis> and (i gotta double-check) but that file is still on the get-redesign branch
20:43:51 * sijis ends story
20:43:53 <tmz> By default git reset will restore the index to a given state.
20:44:28 <tmz> If you've staged some changes, it removes them from the index but doesn't touch the files in your work tree.
20:44:47 <tmz> If you use reset --hard, that will affect both the index and the files in the work tree.
20:45:32 <tmz> When you say you added an image, you added it with git add?
20:45:45 <tmz> And didn't commit it?
20:46:58 <sijis> yup. just git add
20:49:18 <tmz> That by itself should cause any errors.  If you switched branches, the added file will still be staged.  It would just be committed to the current branch, if you ran commit.
21:26:02 <maxamillion> sijis: ping - Mo told me I should speak with you about the new spins webpages, I have a couple screenshots I would like to add to the Xfce spin page if I am able :)
21:48:59 <sijis> maxamillion: pong
21:49:22 <sijis> maxamillion: if you put them on fpeople or email them to me, i'll add it to the pages
21:50:07 <sijis> also, look at the preview pages and give me an idea where'd you want them. http://spins-test.fedoraproject.org/xfce/
21:52:09 <sijis> maxamillion: for some ideas, look at the kde pages (http://spins-test.fedoraproject.org/kde/#home)
21:52:32 <maxamillion> sijis: http://www.shsu.edu/~ajm023/F12_xfce.png <-- this one on the xfce spin home page
21:52:44 <maxamillion> sijis: http://www.shsu.edu/~ajm023/F12_xfce2.png <--- and this one on the xfce spin about page
21:52:48 <maxamillion> please :)
21:52:56 <maxamillion> sijis: I can still email them if need be
21:53:42 <maxamillion> sijis: what ever is easiest for you :)
21:53:59 <sijis> this is fine.. i'll copy it locally :)
21:54:09 <maxamillion> sijis: awesome, many thanks!
21:55:13 <sijis> maxamillion: yeah, no problem. i'll *try* to do it in the next hour but for sure, tonight
21:55:41 <sijis> maxamillion: you can check out the spins-test.fpo page to see if its there
21:55:54 <maxamillion> sijis: awesome, will do ... very excited about the new pages
21:56:00 <maxamillion> sijis: thanks again!
22:06:36 <mizmo> sijis: is lxde going to be turned on for spins deployment?
22:06:41 <mizmo> it's still turned off on the test site
22:42:23 <sijis> mizmo: the thing with lxde is that it doesn't have an f11 release.. that's why its 'hidden'
22:42:33 <mizmo> sijis: yeh but the site is going out for f12
22:42:47 <sijis> i'm actually been thinking about having a third tab named 'all' so it lists them all
22:43:05 <sijis> regardless of current or previous releases
22:48:18 <sijis> mizmo: i'm gonna update the spins site with the release number. (torrents are updated)
22:48:48 <sijis> i'm gonna have to check, as my 'current' downloads, broke a bit :(
22:50:12 <mizmo> kk
00:01:39 <sijis> tmz: going back.. i belive i did run git add.. anyhow. i did find it odd that it complained
00:33:55 <ricky> sijis_afk: Hey, is everything looking good for release tomorrow?  :-)
00:34:03 * ricky will start some link checking soon
00:47:13 <tmz> ricky: Got any thoughts on where a sha256sum.exe fits best?  Something like fp.o/static/(.*/)?sha256sum.exe I would think.
00:48:05 <ricky> We have a bunch of random stuff in /static/ as is, so I guess it wouldn't be completely out of place to just stuff it there
00:48:13 <tmz> I have such a binary to upload as part of bug 527060, though I don't see us updating any of the doc text until after we unfreeze the web site.
00:48:15 <ricky> Unless we might need more windows executables later on or anything
00:48:19 <ricky> Sounds good
00:48:29 <ricky> But whatever you think would be good would be good :-)
00:49:58 <tmz> Heh.  I /static/sha256sum.exe seems reasonable enough.  And it's shorter to type.
00:50:55 <tmz> I've yet to check an exe into git.  I better test that it does the right thing or add an entry to .gitattributes.
00:51:01 <tmz> bbiab.
00:51:04 <ricky> Good thought, thanks!
00:57:46 <ricky> Anybody interested in link checking: http://alpha.rzhou.org/ (the banner will be broken until the image is on fp.o)
01:07:57 <ricky> Hmmm, a bunch of the torrent links look like f12
01:08:30 <ricky> Er, f11
02:42:14 <dbpatankar> hello there'
02:45:23 <hiemanshu> sijis, I just got back a couple of days back, Just setting things right, Have my final exams this monthend
02:46:00 <sijis> hiemanshu: ah, cool. welcome back
02:46:18 <hiemanshu> sijis, Thank you :)
02:46:26 <hiemanshu> I ll put up pics when I can
02:47:03 <dbpatankar> hey all, I wish to contribute to the translations(website)
02:47:09 <dbpatankar> can someone help me?
02:47:40 <sijis> dbpatankar: excellent.
02:47:53 <dbpatankar> sijis: thanks
02:48:15 <dbpatankar> sijis: I can translate in Hindi and Marathi (India)
02:50:07 <sijis> dbpatankar: the easiest way, is to register at https://translate.fedoraproject.org/
02:50:23 <sijis> from there you can go to the fedora-web project, checkout the file and translate it
02:50:53 <hiemanshu> sijis, IIRC you should be in a group to do so
02:51:52 <dbpatankar> sijis: Isnt there any priority list for translations?
02:52:20 <sijis> hiemanshu: if  you go through the site, it has the right account to make the those changes
02:52:26 <sijis> .members fedora-web
02:52:27 <zodbot> sijis: Members of fedora-web:
02:52:54 * sijis doesn't konw how to use zodbot ;|
02:53:04 <sijis> .member fedora-web
02:53:32 <hiemanshu> .sponsors fedora-web
02:53:35 <zodbot> hiemanshu: Sponsors for fedora-web:
02:56:30 <sijis> didn't relize you did that already :)
02:56:53 <hiemanshu> :)
02:59:27 <ricky> I think it's the cvsl10n group for transifex
02:59:49 <hiemanshu> .fedora12release
02:59:56 <ricky> Try asking in #fedora-l10n (we'd be the fedora-web module in Transifex)
03:02:20 <lili_> Can someone give me some help about the wiki template?
03:04:30 <lili_> I have some difficult in using our wiki
03:08:50 <ricky> lili_: Sure, what do you need?
03:09:10 <lili_> ricky, we created a ticket for the issue, but it's not resolved well
03:09:19 <lili_> ricky, https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/29
03:09:41 <lili_> ricky, do you know how to solve this?
03:10:13 <lili_> ricky, or who I can get help from?
03:11:40 <ricky> Hm, ianweller is our wiki czar :-)
03:11:53 <ricky> Wow, speak of the devil
03:12:17 <ricky> ianweller: Hey :-)  Do you have a moment to help lili_ with some wiki templates?
03:12:31 <ianweller> my slice was down :(
03:12:33 <ricky> (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/29)
03:12:36 <ianweller> ricky: sure
03:12:38 <ianweller> lili_: hai
03:12:38 <ricky> Ahh, I was wondering why you weren't online for once
03:12:46 <ianweller> yeah
03:12:51 <ianweller> host machine died for some reason
03:12:51 <lili_> ianweller, I am finding you :)
03:13:27 <lili_> ianweller, we got some difficulties with our wiki
03:13:37 <lili_> ianweller, can you give us some help?
03:14:06 <lili_> ianweller,  the issues are in this ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/29
03:14:11 <ianweller> yeah
03:14:16 <ianweller> i'm reading through the ticket
03:14:51 <lili_> we tried some methods,but not solved well
03:24:12 <ianweller> lili_: is pt6's wiki not hooked to FAS?
03:31:17 <lili_> ianweller, yes, we need to register a new account
03:32:32 <lili_> ianweller, you can use my account :name :lm ,password :111111
03:32:35 <lili_> six one
03:39:14 <ianweller> nah i already registered one
03:39:21 * ianweller is failing at having any concentration
03:54:14 <ianweller> lili_: so now that i've read through all that, i'm not sure what you're looking for
04:11:30 <lili_> ianweller, sorry,I went to lunch just now
04:11:37 <ianweller> that's fine
04:12:15 <lili_> ianweller, please see this page first
04:12:16 <lili_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_RC1_Install
04:12:43 <lili_> any tester can add their test results to our wiki page
04:12:56 <ianweller> ok
04:13:27 <lili_> the problem is : when two or more people want to add their results
04:13:54 <lili_> the matrix will looks not good
04:14:37 <lili_> look at the line of the above page :Tier2 	 Partitioning 	 QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(shrink)_install
04:15:00 <lili_> Partitioning   :QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(shrink)_install
04:15:16 <ianweller> ah yeah
04:15:18 <lili_> two people added their result, but looks not good
04:15:18 <ianweller> i can see how this fails
04:15:21 * ianweller is testing
04:15:58 <lili_> if the two people has different result, it's hard to identify
04:16:21 <lili_> one pass and the other fail for the same case
04:16:45 <ianweller> and the work done so far is... ?
04:17:11 <lili_> so jlaska try to solve this and created a page like this:
04:17:18 <lili_> https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jlaska/draft2
04:17:36 <lili_> it's a draft,just try to test whether it works
04:18:18 <lili_> see the three lines in the bottom of the page
04:18:31 <ianweller> ok yeah
04:18:33 <ianweller> so it has its problems
04:18:54 <lili_> after created a new template, we can add more results,but it not looks good
04:19:10 <lili_> maybe it
04:19:20 <lili_> it's the problem of template
04:19:48 <ianweller> what about including the <ref> tags inside the template?
04:19:57 <ianweller> as another variable
04:20:03 <ianweller> that would solve some of it
04:20:45 <lili_> that's sounds good, if possible, can you help to modify my draft and add some code to it?
04:20:53 <lili_> https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lm/draft
04:21:00 <lili_> mine is a bit simple
04:23:42 <lili_> I added some lines to the : Tier3 	 Partitioning 	 QA/TestCases/PartitioningPreExistingRaidRaid
04:24:34 <lili_> but it is a bit complex, it will be gread if all can be added to template
04:26:55 <ianweller> ok
04:26:59 <ianweller> i can probably work on that tomorrow, hopefully
04:27:05 <ianweller> if that's ok
04:27:55 <lili_> sure,thanks, please arrange your time as you wish :)
14:25:58 <mizmo_> hey
14:26:03 <mizmo_> f12 is supposed to be out today isnt it?
14:26:05 <ricky> Good morning
14:26:20 <ricky> Yup, spins.fp.o is already up as long as your dns didn't get cached
14:26:32 <maxamillion> sijis: man thanks for adding those screenshots to the xfce page, looks sharp! :D
14:26:36 <maxamillion> s/man/many
14:26:46 <mizmo> mornin
14:26:51 <mizmo> www.fpo says 1 more day though
14:26:59 * mizmo is wondering why nobody's blogged about it
14:27:07 <mizmo> then realized the site's not updated
14:27:12 <ricky> Weird :-/
14:27:46 <mizmo> shouldn't the site have the release banner for f12, etc?
14:28:19 <ricky> For the next half an hour, it should say 0 days, but for some reason it's not
14:28:50 <mizmo> is it not official until 10 am edt?
14:28:53 <ricky> Yup
14:30:04 <mizmo> the games spin is misisng the about tab
14:30:18 <ricky> We ended up removing the tabs that we didn't have content for
14:31:02 <ricky> I think we worked off of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign_2009/Mockups/Spins.fpo#Spins_Content
14:31:26 <mizmo> ah okay
14:31:37 <mizmo> how soon can we push fixes to it
14:32:03 <ricky> Last minute fixes are welcome, especially since it's not translated yet
14:32:31 <ricky> Although there is a language selection that links to some partially translated versions
14:32:57 <mizmo> ah okay
14:33:01 <mizmo> cool
14:33:52 <mizmo> ricky: so i'm a git-idiot, how do i get on the right branch to make adjustments?
14:34:29 <ricky> It's currently being build on the master branch, so you shouldn't need to run any special commands
14:34:51 <ricky> If it were on a branch, you'd use git checkout -t origin/branch though
14:35:02 <stickster> mizmo: I swear I'm going to do a good intro to git at FUDCon this time
14:35:04 <mizmo> oh okay
14:35:33 <mizmo> stickster: i could watch the most beautiful and informative presentation, and it would be lost on me. i go back to my caveman svn mind in times of trouble
14:35:36 <mizmo> er
14:35:37 <mizmo> cavewoman
14:35:40 <mizmo> :)
14:36:18 <stickster> mizmo: The command terminology collision makes it confusing at first but life is so much easier with git once you know those 7 or 8 commands you need for everyday work
14:37:02 * mizmo engages super-spins.fpo-primping mode!!
14:37:31 <mizmo> stickster: this kills me every day
14:37:40 <mizmo> error: Entry 'spins.fedoraproject.org/po/cs.po' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
14:37:40 <ricky> :-D
14:37:44 <mizmo> in almost every git repo i have
14:37:59 <mizmo> so i have to do git reset --hard origin
14:38:02 <ricky> Blech, those files get touched on each make, and get pushed often
14:38:05 <mizmo> which is okay if i dont have changes
14:38:06 <sijis> maxamillion: anytime :)
14:38:07 <ricky> Yup, that should fix it
14:38:20 <mizmo> but if its not up to date
14:38:24 <mizmo> why doesn't it get it when i do git pull
14:38:32 <mizmo> it's like git saying
14:38:36 <ricky> Otherwise, cd spins.fedoraproject.o/po; git checkout *.po should reset them
14:38:45 <mizmo> 'i know i'm supposed to get you the latest files. but i decided not to. fix it yourself. BWAHAHA'
14:38:55 <stickster> mizmo: It turns out that 'gitk' makes it much easier to visualize
14:39:04 <ricky> Git doesn't let you pull because it doesn't want to potentially lose your changes.  There should really be a way to tell it to always overwrite those
14:39:18 <mizmo> that's how svn works out of the box i believe
14:39:19 <stickster> I often just do 'git pull --rebase' to get around that
14:39:23 <mizmo> i never had svn be mean like that to me
14:39:34 <mizmo> <git> I suck. Fix me.
14:39:39 <mizmo> <svn> ....
14:39:45 <tmz> Hehe
14:39:45 <mizmo> <git> WAH! CHANGE MY DIAPER!
14:39:46 <stickster> mizmo: Don't be a hata
14:39:49 <mizmo> <svn> ...
14:39:57 <mizmo> <svn> I'm toilet trained
14:40:15 <mizmo> sorry ui designers and git don't mix :) ill learn one of these days. it's a cheerful ribbing :)
14:40:27 <tmz> Of course, svn is ten times slower at everything, can't do half of what git does, and takes up 3 times as much disk space. ;)
14:40:40 <mizmo> but i never need to do the things git can do that svn doesnt do
14:40:45 <mizmo> that it's smaller is nicer though :)
14:40:54 <mizmo> and being able to chekc things in without internet is also sweet
14:41:04 <tmz> What we probably need are some better docs for how to achieve what we do in git.
14:41:42 <tmz> Some basic "here's a good workflow for fedora-web" would help.
14:42:29 <ricky> I think the two big hinderences right now are PO files and the fact that all the sites with different freeze/update schedulers being lumped into one repo
14:42:58 <tmz> True, that makes things a bit more interesting.
14:43:24 <tmz> ricky: Is there any help you need for getting the websites synced?  If not, I'll check back after some breakfast.
14:43:47 <ricky> I think we're pretty good - spins.fp.o is already up
14:43:52 * ricky is documenting the process more precisely this time around
14:44:03 <tmz> Excellent.  Thanks, as always!
14:45:15 <sijis> is see spin.fp.o :)
14:46:23 <sijis> ricky: the beta has been removed for fp.o? or it hasn't been pushed yet.
14:46:52 <ricky> It hasn't been pushed yet - I usually wait for Oxf13's OK
14:47:52 <sijis> oxf13 is in release-eng, right?
14:48:28 <ricky> Yup
14:51:41 <sijis> anything else needed help on?
15:10:59 <sijis> 4sk
15:12:13 <sijis> .ping
15:12:13 <zodbot> pong
15:15:45 <ricky> mizmo: Let me know when you need a spins push, thanks for the fixes
15:23:07 <sijis> ricky: so right now, any changes in repo will not be updated to the site. it has to be done manually?
15:24:15 <ricky> It'd be updated within the hour, but to make it immediate you'd need to do the syncstatic/etc. manually
15:25:42 <sijis> gotcha
15:25:56 <sijis> but that's not the same thing for fp.o.. that is 'static' for a few days, no?
15:27:32 <ricky> It comes directly from master now
15:27:36 <ricky> We might branch that into f12 later on
15:27:46 <ricky> But changes to master will show up in an hour as it is at the moment
15:28:00 <ricky> Oh, one thing I forgot to put on the todo
15:28:08 <ricky> Could you update start.fedoraproject.org in fedora-web
15:28:34 <ricky> You'll see the index.html has an f11 release image (although it gets overridden by the javascript)
15:28:40 <ricky> That should be changed to f12release.png
15:29:29 <sijis> yeah, i'll get on that.
15:34:02 <ricky> sijis: So once you've made that change, try following the directions at the bottom of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Websites_Release_SOP
15:34:17 <ricky> sysadmin-web should be able to sudo /usr/local/bin/syncStatic on puppet1
15:34:43 <sijis> ricky: want me toremove the banner.js call too?
15:34:44 <ricky> For the proxy part, you'll have to login to each proxy server and /usr/local/bin/syncFiles.sh start.fedoraproject.org /srv/web/start.fedoraproject.org/
15:34:50 <tmz> Then the proxies just need ssh in a loop.
15:34:58 <ricky> Well with ssh -t if you want
15:35:17 <ricky> sijis: Leave the banner, just set the image hardcoded in the HTML (for non-JS people) to f12
15:35:30 <ricky> (We want start.fp.o to show the banner rotation when we have more of them too)
15:38:42 * sijis is running sysnstatic
15:39:12 <ricky> It takes quite a while, since it does fp.o *and* spins.fp.o,
15:39:38 <sijis> on the proxyies, do i use sudo? for syncfiles start.fp.o ...?
15:40:07 <ricky> Yup
15:40:50 * sijis syncfiles is still running
15:41:06 <ricky> You mean syncStatic?
15:42:07 <sijis> yes
15:42:20 <sijis> ah, just completed
15:46:25 <sijis> i'm able to run sudo on proxies.
15:46:30 <sijis> need to to 4 and 5
15:47:51 <sijis> ok, all pushed
15:48:44 <ricky> Excellent, thanks
15:49:07 <sijis> i'm sure next time i could do a bash loop to do it quicker :)
15:49:56 <ricky> for i in {1..5}; do ssh -t proxy$i sudo blah; done and a bunch of password-typing :-)
15:50:30 <zodbot> Announcement from my owner (stickster): Fedora 12 is released! http://bit.ly/f12-announcement -- To download, visit http://get.fedoraproject.org
15:52:49 <sijis> ricky: you got it :)
15:56:13 <sijis> start.fp.o is updated.
16:15:11 <mizmo> ricky: ive got more changes coming
16:15:15 <mizmo> ricky: they'll get auto pushed every hour?
16:15:52 <ricky> Yup, they should be build at :00 and pushed out at around :10
16:16:02 <ricky> Or sijis and I can push them manually if you need
16:16:38 <mizmo> okay great
16:16:43 * mizmo keeps chugging :)
16:16:44 <sijis> mizmo: yup. i was able to do it :)
16:16:49 <mizmo> yay
16:17:02 <sijis> hopefully nothing bad :|
16:24:09 <mizmo> its my bad, some content i had in mockups not in the spins page (eg the games about page)
16:24:13 <mizmo> and i forgot to add some games screenshots too
16:24:18 <mizmo> and i need to do the banners for the spins hilight sidebar
16:25:08 <sijis> ah, no worries.
16:25:26 <sijis> last night ricky and i removed tabs that didn't have content
16:25:40 <sijis> so it didn't look incomplete
19:24:20 <hiemanshu> sijis: ping
19:24:53 <hiemanshu> ricky: ping as well
19:29:59 <sijis> hiemanshu: pong
19:30:38 <hiemanshu> sijis: Typo on the new spins page, near the bottom its spelled Fedora Electoric Lab
19:30:52 <sijis> which page?
19:31:01 <hiemanshu> spins.fp.o
19:31:31 <sijis> under meet the spin community?
19:31:48 <hiemanshu> Yeah
19:33:41 <sijis> ok, fixed
19:34:54 <sijis> thanks.
19:35:14 <sijis> hiemanshu: so you are just getting ready for the final exams, eh?
19:35:28 <hiemanshu> sijis: Yup :(
19:35:40 <hiemanshu> I have a couple of days off now
19:35:43 <hiemanshu> And then back to college
19:35:52 <hiemanshu> Then I ll have a couple of months off
19:36:40 <maxamillion> sijis: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/#downloads <--- I'm sure you're swamped because of the new roll out, but under the torrent file is says "6K Torrent File for 32-bit PC ISO" under both the 32-bit and 64-bit, no rush what so ever because I'm sure you're busy ... just wanted to point it out, many thanks!
19:36:42 <sijis> those months off are nice :)
19:37:22 <sijis> maxamillion: yeah, all the pages will have that too.
19:37:29 <sijis> maxamillion: thanks.
19:38:19 <sijis> i guess technically the torrent file is ~6K :)
19:38:24 <hiemanshu> sijis: I know, I have to get just over the exams and then some fun :D
19:38:39 <maxamillion> sijis: well, it is but its not for 32-bit when its listed under the 64-bit link
19:38:54 <maxamillion> sijis: that's the part I was trying to point out, sorry for the lack of clarity :P
19:39:25 <sijis> maxamillion: ahh.. the text...
19:39:31 <maxamillion> sijis: right
19:41:58 <sijis> ok, it'll be updated within the hour
19:42:07 <sijis> thanks again for pointing that out
19:43:11 <maxamillion> sijis: anytime, thanks again for all your work!
19:51:29 <sijis> maxamillion: do you actively use the xfce desktop?
19:51:42 <hiemanshu> sijis: The same thing is in Games as well
19:52:03 <sijis> hiemanshu: it will be on all the pages, since that download page is templated
19:52:20 <hiemanshu> aah
19:53:47 <sijis> yeah, it would have been a nightmare to make that page individually.
19:54:16 <sijis> that was my first commit on it.. then i slept on it. and realized, i should template it for a) consistency b) management
19:54:17 <hiemanshu> but making it just Torrent file for 32/64 Bit ISO would be better
19:54:33 <hiemanshu> And remove the 6K part
19:57:44 <sijis> ideally, i would put the size of the iso file
21:12:58 <maxamillion> sijis: sorry, was afk
21:13:10 <maxamillion> sijis: yeah, I run xfce all over the place ... I'm one of the spin maintainers :)
21:13:24 <sijis> maxamillion: yeah, i know. just curious.
21:13:47 <sijis> i tried it on ubuntu a few years ago. and it worked great.
21:13:57 <maxamillion> sijis: yeah, I'm typing to you from xfce right now ... i have a laptop next to me running xfce and 2 machines at the house powered by the xfce spin :)
21:14:00 * maxamillion is at work atm
21:14:05 <sijis> however my machine broke and i never ended up playing with it again ;(
21:14:08 <sijis> i did like it though
21:14:17 <maxamillion> Xubuntu? or just ubuntu with xfce installed on top?
21:14:30 <sijis> xubuntu (i think that's the one with xfce desktop on it)
21:14:38 <maxamillion> I actually did some Xubuntu contributions a few years ago ... then I saw the light and found Fedora as "my place to stay"
21:15:46 <sijis> haha.
21:16:05 <maxamillion> the ubuntu development cycle is horrid
21:16:30 <maxamillion> there were honestly posts like "there's a bug somewhere in <blah>, so I just commented the code out and recompiled so we can make the release date"
21:16:37 <sijis> i started with debian years ago.. then got back in with RH, as we were doing some linux implementation, tried ubuntu buy i like fedora/rhel much better
21:17:23 <maxamillion> I started on a RH7 boxed set of "deluxe workstation" then moved to debian for a few years and found my way back to fedora around the release of 7 and I've been here ever since :)
21:17:36 <sijis> maxamillion: really? that goes on with their cycle? that's just wrong
21:17:53 <maxamillion> sijis: yeah, that actually happened in their development cycle
21:18:43 <maxamillion> and then there was a bug in apache2-mod_python that was confirmed by 3 developers and the fix was "CLOSED_NEXTRELEASE" ... it was 6.06-LTS that the bug was filed against
21:19:05 <maxamillion> they have almost zero QA ... if it weren't for the money they spend in marketing I honestly think the project would have died years ago
21:19:19 <maxamillion> well that and Shuttleworth's *deep* pockets
21:21:02 <sijis> yikes. that's troubleling.
21:21:15 <sijis> i honestly don't know how Fedora's QA is.
21:21:41 <sijis> but i'm also 'afraid' of using rawhide to bork my system.
21:22:22 <maxamillion> well rawhide could potentially bork your system, but a *lot* of very fast development happens there
21:23:17 <maxamillion> and Fedora's QA is amazing imho, we have a QA team as well as a bugzappers team who collaborate (and contain some of the same community members) who spend countless hours just chasing down bugs in order to provide useful information to developers so that the bugs can be fixed asap
21:23:57 <maxamillion> and package maintainers don't (or at least not that I have seen) just comment out code in order to make things "work"
21:24:15 <maxamillion> at least not in production, possibly in rawhide .... because its rawhide
21:26:27 <sijis> ah, that's understandable to do in rawhide
21:26:41 <sijis> esp if its borking systems :)
21:31:34 <maxamillion> yeah, quick hacks are acceptable in rawhide ... but rawhide has the disclaimer of "Rawhide eats babies"
21:44:28 <sijis> haha. i've never heard of that disclaimer
21:57:07 <maxamillion> sijis: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide <--- it used to say it on that page somewhere, not sure if it does anymore
22:06:46 <tmz> So I've fielded at least 2 questions today from folks who think the gpg hash header in the checksum files means that the checksums are sha1. :/
22:07:07 <maxamillion> ouch
22:07:08 <tmz> I think maybe we need some bold print to prevent that confusion.
22:07:39 <tmz> Amusingly, the folks that think this are never confused, they are certain that we have done something wrong. ;)
22:08:09 <tmz> It's good to see that many people do verify what they've downloaded though.
23:25:44 <sijis> tmz: wow, we did get a few emails on the checksums missing
00:07:52 <ricky> tmz: Thanks!  /me adds watching the webmaster@ queue to the release todo
00:10:03 <sijis> ricky: haha.. agreed
00:10:10 <sijis> i didn't even watch it at all
01:05:06 <tmz> I didn't reply to the one or two questions about unopened mirrors.  Hopefully someone else has time to do so.
01:05:45 <tmz> Better yet, it'd be sllick if we could make mirror manager check if the mirror was open before directing to it.  But that's not an easy task to do quickly.
01:36:48 <tmz> Yay, another 'Checksum has is wrong email.' ;)
01:38:18 <tmz> I'm thinking I should check with Oxf13 about whether that's generated via a script and if we can add a comment to the CHECKSUM files telling folks to use sha256sum
01:39:45 <tmz> (I had checked previously about generating the gpg sigs using SHA-256, which would have the nice side effect of making those confused use sha256sum, but pygpgme doesn't support that and for whatever reason, using gpg.conf files to force SHA-256 is not easy for rel-eng/sigul)
01:59:00 <sijis_afk> i like your bold idea. :)
02:00:08 <sijis_afk> or put a 'notice' type bar, so it stands out
02:01:10 <tmz> Think that will help enough?  The page already clearly says sha256sum.  I wonder if folks being confused are reading /verify or just looking in the *CHECKSUM and making an assumption about the Hash: header.
02:38:06 <lili_> ianweller, ping
02:38:26 <ianweller> lili_: pongish -- i'll be looking at it later this evening
02:39:50 <lili_> ianweller, ok, thanks, I also want to get some guidance from you,that I can do some investigation too :)
02:40:29 <lili_> ianweller, do we have some good methods to solve that issue?
02:41:13 <lili_> ianweller, or just use jlaska's method
02:48:31 <ianweller> there aren't any present 'ways' to do these things for us
02:48:41 <ianweller> lili_: everything's on the wiki is basically 'whatever'
02:52:38 <sijis_afk> tmz: you're right they are just making an assumption looking at the file
03:08:45 <lili_> ianweller, ok. I am not familiar with the complex wiki syntax :)
04:07:58 <sijis_afk> mizmo: you are doing a fantastic job!
04:08:38 <mizmo> sijis_afk: yay
04:08:48 <mizmo> sijis_afk: the support tab maybe should be templated but im not sure how
04:08:53 <mizmo> ive been copy/pasting and making small mods
04:08:54 <sijis_afk> love the buttons on the right and the small tweaks goign on.
04:08:57 <mizmo> between xfce / kde / lxde
04:10:22 <sijis_afk> hhmmm.. i *can* be possible. assuming we only nee a few pieces are different
04:11:20 <sijis_afk> thinking briefly.. we could add variables at the top and use those in the template for support. looking at the pages, that's about ~10-15 variables, no?
04:12:12 <sijis_afk> irc channel, help email, mailing lists, forums, documentation, etc.
04:15:53 <mizmo> sijis: yeh
04:15:57 <mizmo> there's a superset of categories too
04:16:00 <mizmo> some have forums, some don't
04:16:04 <mizmo> there should be a bugzilla category too
04:17:32 <sijis> ok. i may be able to put something together.
04:18:14 <sijis> i'll play with it a bit. i'll use the kde page as the 'template'.
04:18:35 <mizmo> sweet
04:18:57 <mizmo> so far i've heard nothing but really positive feedback on the site
04:19:01 <mizmo> so i think we've done good  :)
04:19:24 <sijis> agreed. i did 'rush' a tad on the downloads tab.. so thanks for tidying that up :)
04:22:09 <sijis> yeah, everything i've seen has been good.
04:22:12 <sijis> its exciting
04:23:44 <mizmo> :)
04:24:04 <mizmo> you did an amazing job
04:27:14 <sijis> thanks. could not have been done without you though.
13:32:12 <tmz> We might want to drop the 'Older downloads' links on the spins page.  Anyone using those and updating will get rawhide instead of F-12.
13:33:14 <tmz> Plus, those torrents have been killed off, so the links are dead. :)
15:23:04 <sijis> tmz: why aren't they dropped from the json feed, if they aren't no longer available?
15:59:10 <sijis> tmz: i'll poke around and see if i can filter that list. i spoke with skvidal andi think they will remove those feeds too.
16:01:51 <sijis> from the list that i pull from
16:08:26 <sijis> tmz: also, looking athe older releases, it should also display f11, f10, etc there. but i don't see it
16:09:09 <sijis> i'll try to look at it today, if not tonight, possibly.
17:57:40 <daMaestro> do we have a fudcon banner we can add to the unity sites?
17:57:49 <daMaestro> the f12 banner is just sooo lonely by itself
18:01:41 <sijis> what are the unity sites?
18:03:45 <EvilBob> Someone has been living in a cave for the last 5 years... LOL
18:04:31 <daMaestro> fedoraunity.org fedorasolved.org ,etc
18:07:43 <sijis> hmm. i don't believe we manage those sites.
18:18:53 <daMaestro> you don't
18:18:54 <daMaestro> we do
18:19:01 <daMaestro> and i was just asking if there was a fudcon banner
18:19:11 <daMaestro> ;-)
18:21:17 <sijis> haha.
18:21:21 <sijis> okay.
18:24:17 <sijis> daMaestro: i honestly, dunno of a banner offhand. did you take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon and see if there's anything useful
18:24:32 <Sonar_Gal> yeah I didn't see anything there
18:24:54 <sijis> the only thing i saw was http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FUDCon_F13_logo.png
18:25:01 <sijis> but that's a logo, not exactly a banner
18:25:26 <sijis> mchua: ping, do you know of where fudcon image banners may be?
18:32:00 <daMaestro> that image will work fine, i'll just resize it
18:35:52 <Sonar_Gal> :)
18:38:32 <sijis> daMaestro: ok, cool.
18:38:41 <sijis> so you manage those unity sites?
18:41:12 <daMaestro> every once in a while
18:55:11 <thekad> I didn't know that many people checksum'd their ISO images
19:01:15 <sijis> yeah, apparently a few
19:01:29 <sijis> i've done it before, but i don't do it as much as i should
19:03:59 <daMaestro> i do it every download
19:04:08 <daMaestro> and verify the signature
19:49:04 <mizmo> wow
19:49:05 <mizmo> #1 	KDE 	1442 downloads
19:49:05 <mizmo> #2 	XFCE 	185 downloads
21:25:04 <sijis> mizmo: yup. kde is very popular. that's only the i386 arch too
21:25:18 <mizmo> sijis: ah okay
21:25:20 <sijis> i think x86_64 is about ~1k too
21:25:30 <mizmo> sijis: is there anyway to make the counts x86 + x86_64?
21:25:36 <sijis> thats on my 'to-do' :)
21:25:43 <sijis> i was just thinking about that today :)
21:26:13 <sijis> agreed, the numbers would be a little more accurate.
21:26:32 <sijis> i'm really just happy its working :)
21:32:14 <mizmo> cool
21:32:16 <mizmo> :)
21:32:19 <mizmo> oh one thing i noticed
21:32:26 <mizmo> i think the community hilight on the bottom should rotate too
21:32:30 <mizmo> it seems its always Chitlesh
21:32:39 <mizmo> do you have tickets in trac to cover these?
21:32:44 <mizmo> because im happy to file tickets to help keep track
21:32:47 <mizmo> sijis ^
21:32:56 <sijis> yeah thay may work :)
21:33:32 <sijis> its also a good way so other folks know what they can do if they'd like to tackle something
21:34:17 <mizmo> okay so there isn't a ticket queue set up for it yet?
21:34:30 <mizmo> i wonder does the websites team have a trac instance or is the infrateam's one used
21:34:36 <mizmo> ricky: does websites have its own trac instnace?
21:34:50 <sijis> we do. i'm just trying to find it
21:34:54 <mizmo> sijis: btw do u mind if i give you mad props in my blog?
21:35:02 <mizmo> i am gonna make a post about the spins site
22:11:45 <sijis> mizmo: nope. i don't mind at all
22:11:58 <mizmo> sijis: do you have a website or blog you want me to link to?
22:12:53 <sijis> nope, neither.
22:13:03 <sijis> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/
22:13:34 <sijis> you'll be first entry. (i'm actually still torn by this trac.. but it probably good that we have it)
22:14:05 <sijis> i have been building a website (for myself), its been ~1yr now. i haven't touched it in like 8 months :)
22:14:34 <sijis> btw, i appreciate the heads up and compliment.
22:14:47 <mizmo> sure :)
22:18:41 * sijis posting trac instance on wiki/Websites page
23:21:04 <PhrkOnLsh> hey guys; could someone please fix the Documentation section of http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/#support ? It looks like there was a small typo before the KDE Userbase link...
23:22:23 <sijis> PhrkOnLsh: with te funky ')} in the text?
23:22:30 <PhrkOnLsh> indeed
23:27:50 <sijis> PhrkOnLsh: its fixed. it'll get updated in about 30 minutes.
23:27:59 <PhrkOnLsh> danke!
23:28:10 <sijis> thanks for reporting it.
23:28:46 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm just passing it on; one of the other KDE sig guys noticed it ;)
23:36:56 <sijis> its all good though. :)
23:38:20 <PhrkOnLsh> indeed. Cheers!
23:39:08 <mchua> sijis: pong, did you get the website image banner? Sorry, I was on a plane and didn't get a chance to change my nick before wifi cut off.
23:46:33 <sijis> mchua: they used one found on fp.o/wiki/FudCon.. it was under toronto 2009 (i think)
23:47:01 <sijis> but if you do know where that type of material is located, i'd be nice to know.
23:50:24 <mchua> sijis: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/FUDcon/ may help?
23:50:46 * mchua notes that we need to document the location of these things more, will do that for FUDCon on the FUDBus back during our DOCUMENT FUDCON!!! sprint
23:54:22 <sijis> haha.
23:54:42 <sijis> even a marketing material landing page, that sends you off to other places is fine
00:10:01 <sijis> anyone else seen this? http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/18/2039229/Fedora-12-Lets-Users-Install-Signed-Packages-Sans-Root-Privileges
00:10:09 <Ac-town> yep
00:21:30 <sijis> i guess i'm not on top of things.
01:13:09 <kaio> hi if I want to translate website, do I need to apply for Fedora Website Team (web) on FAS?
01:14:15 <ricky> kaio: Hey, you should be able to join the l10n team and translate the website via transifex
01:16:08 <kaio> I have joined that but it doesnt allow me to lock the po file
01:16:43 <ricky> Are you in the cvsl10n group?  As far as I know that should give you the necessary transifex privileges
01:16:50 <kaio> it just kicked me to password page (I have logined in already), and saying my password was incorrect
01:17:25 <kaio> yes I am in that group
01:18:47 <ricky> Hm, I'm not sure why you wouldn't be able to lock the PO file then - perhaps try asking on fedora-trans-list
01:19:02 <ricky> Are you able to submit without locking, or does that kick you to the password page too?
01:19:57 <kaio> ricky☺ havent tried
01:21:38 <kaio> lock works now thx
01:25:17 <ricky> Cool, thanks for the translations
01:27:21 <kaio> ricky☺ np
01:31:17 <kaio> ricky☺ who in charge of creating mailing list?
01:31:56 <kaio> ricky☺ need fedora-trans-zh and fedora-trans-zh
01:42:51 <ricky> kaio: Just file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ - try to avoid having "fedora-" in the name since it'd be @lists.fedoraproject.org
01:43:26 <kaio> ricky☺ sure thx
01:43:31 <ricky> sijis_afk: Woah, I did not see that fedora-devel-list, thanks for posting that
01:43:49 * ricky is very sad that it wasn't made known (and then shot down) in advance.
01:48:19 <kaio> The webpage at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/login might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. :P
01:49:37 <ricky> Weird, it works fine for me - you didn't get prompted for a username/password or anything?
01:54:29 <kaio> ricky☺ works now, weird
01:54:42 <kaio> may be I have bad-luck hands
01:54:47 <ricky> Hehe
05:31:26 <sijis_afk> ricky: anytime.. enjoy the night :)
05:31:45 <sijis_afk> i'm glad you added that new language.. i have something to reference now :)
05:32:06 <sijis_afk> all i knew was the LINGUAS file
05:32:13 * sijis_afk goes off to bed
16:07:01 <EvilBob> OK Fedora Websites people, I have a challenge for you. Make searching the wiki not suck.
16:07:51 <EvilBob> I was trying to find the schedule for #Fedora-Meeting
16:07:51 <EvilBob> Wiki --> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Meeting+Schedule&fulltext=Search
16:07:51 <EvilBob> Google --> http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Meeting+Schedule&as_sitesearch=FedoraProject.org
16:09:01 <hiemanshu> EvilBob: ianweller is the Wiki Wiz here
16:10:16 <EvilBob> Mike says someone is working on a solution
16:10:20 <EvilBob> #1055 (Fedora Search Engine) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1055
16:10:42 <sijis> EvilBob: yeah, they are evaluation several offerings.
16:11:26 <hiemanshu> Sphinx seems to a good choice for it, Not sure how good the extension is though
16:15:06 <EvilBob> I don't care how the website looks, I know a lot of focus has been on that and some ease of use. The meat of the site, the wiki, is not functional. If you can't find what you are looking for then you may as well ashcan the whole thing and not have it.
16:15:28 <EvilBob> just my $1.25
16:16:20 <EvilBob> I guess that is what happens when you are not Fedora's target market.
16:16:23 <EvilBob> ;^)
16:20:26 <sijis> EvilBob: you're advise is costly ;)
16:20:41 <sijis> 1.25. hell of a mark-up
16:20:45 <EvilBob> sijis: but worth it
16:20:50 <EvilBob> ;^)
16:20:53 <sijis> :)
16:21:15 <sijis> yeah, i find it hard to find things on the wiki.
16:21:23 <sijis> i primarily, as you, depend on google.
16:21:49 <EvilBob> You guys are lucky, at least being involved with "websites" now you can actually do something
16:22:27 <sijis> i suppose that's true to some extent.
16:22:36 <EvilBob> And it shows, good work overall on all the "Landing Pages"
16:23:01 <sijis> what else would we use to allows 'anyone' to update/post content, info and not having a 100% cms system
16:24:27 <sijis> EvilBob: thanks.. a lot of folks have put a ton of effort on those.
16:25:08 <EvilBob> 3 years ago being involved in websites was a joke, hands were tied. Getting our own infrastructure was a great change.
16:26:06 <sijis> ah, i wasn't around 3 years ago.
16:26:16 <sijis> but its good to know there's been progress.
16:27:04 <EvilBob> sijis: I quickly grew frustrated and found other things to do.
16:27:29 <EvilBob> Maybe in the coming year I can again get involved with something
17:04:03 <sijis> if you have time, we are here :)
17:04:28 <ricky> sijis: Hey, do you want to add ar to the list of languages?  You know where you need to add it, right?
17:05:10 <sijis> ricky: well, based on what your pushed yesterday, i have a clue
17:05:20 <sijis> linguas, and two apache config files
17:05:22 <ricky> For generating languages.conf, what I do is make httpd/conf/languages.conf.in in git
17:05:49 <ricky> Then I manually replace @DOCUMENTROOT@ with /srv/web/fedoraproject.org in the resulting httpd/conf/languages.conf.in file
17:06:04 <ricky> So hopefully that's a bit easier than manually editing 5 lines :-)
17:06:59 <sijis> so this is what i got: make: `httpd/conf/languages.conf' is up to date.
17:07:27 * sijis just did a git pull and retried
17:09:33 <sijis> so, is @SERVERROOT@ and @DOCUMENTROOT@ the same path?
17:14:00 <sijis> ricky: so what do you do with the resulting file?
17:14:31 * sijis doesn't see ar on the list.
17:17:35 <hiemanshu> sijis: ServerRoot is something else
17:43:31 <ricky> sijis: Sorry, I'm at lunch now, but I
17:43:43 <ricky> 'll be back soon to explain it in more detail if you'll be aroud
17:43:45 <ricky> **around
17:52:50 <sijis> ricky: i should be.
18:33:47 <ricky> sijis: Hey, I'm back now
18:47:42 <sijis> ricky: pong, late?
18:52:32 <ricky> sijis: Hey, so adding a language comes in two parts - the apache config change, and the addition to LINGUAS
18:53:17 <ricky> The apache configs can be generated via the makefile, but you need to do a manual substitution, then copy it into puppet manually
18:53:54 * ricky could potentially make a rule to take out the substitution part and make things easier
18:57:17 <sijis> you mean a Makefile rule?
18:58:07 <ricky> Yeah
18:58:16 <ricky> So what I usually do is this:
18:58:31 <ricky> 1) Double check that the translation is complete using msgfmt -o/dev/null --statistics po/ar.po
18:59:07 <ricky> 2) Add it to po/LINGUAS and commit, but do not push yet (until the apache config is in)
18:59:21 <ricky> 3) Run make httpd/conf/languages.conf.in
19:00:12 <ricky> 4) Copy languages.conf.in into puppet in modules/fedora-web/files/languages.conf
19:00:33 <ricky> 5) Replace @DOCUMENTROOT@ with the correct value for Fedora's setup, which is /srv/web/fedoraproject.org
19:00:49 <ricky> 6) Commit/push to puppet, make HOSTS="proxy1 proxy2 proxy3 proxy4 proxy5" push
19:01:01 <ricky> 7) Push the LINGUAS change in fedora-web
19:02:22 <sijis> so, order is important
19:03:19 <sijis> and.. for #6, is that two commands? git commit -a; git push; make HOST="proxy..." push
19:03:40 <ricky> Yup, just like any normal config change
19:04:04 <sijis> i don't understand the "make HOST ... " command.
19:04:33 <ricky> Oh, that's a command that you can run in puppet/ that will trigger a puppet reload on all the proxies
19:04:44 <chitleshgoorah> can I have edit access to the FEL spin website ?
19:05:11 <ricky> chitleshgoorah: Sure thing, can you apply to the web group?
19:07:15 <chitleshgoorah> ricky: done
19:13:30 <sijis> so, i ok #1, how do i compare it to. another language?
19:13:42 <sijis> I assume you haven't done this at all yet.
19:14:02 <sijis> chitleshgoorah: it looks like ricky's already sponsored you
19:14:24 <chitleshgoorah> sijis: yes, I've just received the email
19:14:36 <ricky> If it doesn't list a ton of untranslated strings, then it's fine - it's just a check to make sure we don't push something that's pretty much all English
19:14:46 <ricky> sijis: Mind walking chitleshgoorah through the process of making changes?
19:14:47 <chitleshgoorah> so how do I update those pages :D I guess it's not plain html :D
19:14:56 <ricky> Remember to test a build before pushing :-)
19:15:19 <sijis> chitleshgoorah: the data files are in spins.fedoraproject.org/data/content/kde/index.html
19:15:34 <hiemanshu> sijis: FEL for him
19:16:21 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: I'll help you out here, Have you cloned the git repo?
19:16:42 <chitleshgoorah> I'm still trying to find the git repo :)
19:16:46 <sijis> darn :)
19:17:07 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: wats your fas name?
19:17:09 <sijis> chitleshgoorah: ohh..
19:17:09 <sijis> haha
19:17:12 <sijis> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs
19:17:14 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: chitlesh
19:17:22 <hiemanshu> .fasinfo chitlesh
19:17:23 <zodbot> hiemanshu: User: chitlesh, Name: Chitlesh GOORAH, email: chitlesh@gmail.com, Creation: 2006-01-05, IRC Nick: ChitleshGoorah, Timezone: Europe/Brussels, Locale: en, Extension: 5100367, GPG key ID: 4BC93D0B, Status: active
19:17:25 <zodbot> hiemanshu: Approved Groups: cla_done web fedorabugs cvsdevel packager ambassadors cla_fedora gitspin-kickstarts provenpackager git-fedora-electronic-lab hosted-content
19:17:28 <zodbot> hiemanshu: Unapproved Groups: None
19:17:36 <hiemanshu> So web is the list
19:17:37 <sijis> in short.. git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git
19:18:00 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: sudo yum install git gettext python-genshi python-setuptools babel python-feedparser
19:18:07 <hiemanshu> sijis: I'll help him out
19:18:11 <sijis> ricky: ok, so you havne't added the new lang yet.
19:18:13 <hiemanshu> sijis: and he needs ssh access :P
19:18:26 <sijis> he's been added to the web group.
19:18:36 <hiemanshu> yeah he'
19:18:47 <hiemanshu> he'll need ssh:// and not git://
19:19:04 <sijis> either one should work. in fact, he could probably do: git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git
19:19:23 <chitleshgoorah> i'm pulling the repo
19:19:23 <sijis> err. git clone git://user@git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git
19:19:46 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: ran the command i gave?
19:20:00 <franciscod> chitleshgoorah: for the dvd label you had requested at #fedora-design, i think you need to open a ticket like this https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/74
19:20:51 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: git clone ssh://chitlesh@git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git
19:21:16 <chitleshgoorah> franciscod: I'm doing it myself and will ask the design team to review it
19:21:33 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: sudo yum install git gettext python-genshi python-setuptools babel python-feedparser
19:21:43 <hiemanshu> You'll need those as well
19:21:48 <franciscod> chitleshgoorah: okay.. good luck
19:21:48 <sijis> hiemanshu: thanks for helping :)
19:21:52 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: have them
19:21:56 <hiemanshu> sijis: No problem
19:22:09 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: good, they'll help you while testing the changes you made
19:22:45 <hiemanshu> make**
19:24:35 <josemm> hiemanshu: lo
19:24:36 <hiemanshu> josemm: First off Introduce yourself
19:24:47 <josemm> Hello everyone
19:25:00 <josemm> my name is jose
19:25:12 <josemm> i have been a fedora ambassador for some time
19:25:32 <josemm> and help out in fedora infrastructure in my free time
19:25:48 <josemm> have good experience as a SA and php, python and shell scripter...
19:26:13 <josemm> love foss and want to help where ever and when ever possible
19:26:16 <josemm> :)
19:26:18 <josemm> hiemanshu: done
19:26:32 <hiemanshu> josemm: sweet thank you
19:26:48 <hiemanshu> sijis: we have anything that needs attention?
19:26:59 <hiemanshu> josemm: So what would you like to help out with
19:27:30 <josemm> hiemanshu: anything that u need help with
19:27:40 <josemm> hiemanshu: remember my reply to ur email
19:27:55 <hiemanshu> josemm: hmmm, I ll have to look that up :P
19:28:02 <hiemanshu> I dont remember it all that well
19:28:21 <josemm> hiemanshu: ok...
19:28:47 <josemm> hiemanshu: u needed someone to validate and fix links
19:28:47 <josemm> ?
19:29:05 <hiemanshu> josemm: Send an Introduction email to the fedora-websites list and apply for the web group
19:29:05 <sijis> hiemanshu: not immediately, that i can think of.
19:29:13 <hiemanshu> josemm: All that has been complted
19:29:29 <josemm> hiemanshu: i am always late
19:29:33 <josemm> :(
19:29:35 <hiemanshu> sijis: When are we getting started with get.fp.o?
19:29:49 <hiemanshu> josemm: Not really, We have some more coming up soon
19:29:53 <sijis> hiemanshu: there's a branch out for it
19:30:04 <sijis> that's as much as i hav going on it
19:30:08 <hiemanshu> nb: ping
19:30:20 <sijis> i'm gonna strip some parts from spins.fp.o to do get.fp.o
19:30:32 <hiemanshu> sijis: So my school will make me miss this one too :(
19:30:44 <sijis> oh no
19:30:51 <sijis> josemm: welcome, btw.
19:31:00 <josemm> sijis: thanks
19:32:04 <hiemanshu> sijis: I think i'll get started on it during the weekend
19:32:12 <hiemanshu> sijis: Whats branch is it in?
19:32:23 <sijis> getfpo-redesign i think
19:32:33 <josemm> git?
19:32:35 <sijis> get-redesign
19:32:38 <sijis> josemm: yup.
19:32:43 <josemm> Ok cool
19:32:50 <sijis> we use git to manage the websites.
19:32:56 <josemm> yep
19:33:05 <sijis> if you wanna take a look and see how's the repo setup.
19:33:12 <hiemanshu> sijis: get-redesign?
19:33:18 <sijis> read this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs
19:33:21 <sijis> hiemanshu: yup
19:33:38 <sijis> josemm: are you familiar with git?
19:33:40 <josemm> sijis: yes
19:33:46 <josemm> and yes
19:34:04 <josemm> I am working on a webservices framework called entente on fedorahosted
19:34:17 <hiemanshu> sijis: I ll have a look at it during the weekend
19:34:22 <josemm> hasnt really started off... still working out the bugs
19:34:57 <josemm> sijis: is the repo anonymous
19:34:58 <josemm> ?
19:35:02 <josemm> or FAS
19:35:17 <hiemanshu> josemm: FAS
19:35:20 <sijis> josemm: it'll use fas if/when you have access
19:35:26 <josemm> Ok...
19:35:32 <sijis> but if you just clone is, its anon
19:35:45 <josemm> right understood
19:36:21 <ricky> Oh joy, some more checksum confusion emails :-)
19:36:32 * ricky copies tmz's response
19:37:13 <sijis> ricky: haha.
19:37:18 <josemm> lol
19:37:34 <sijis> ricky: i've been thinking, we should move the instructions torwards the top
19:37:47 <sijis> and put the checksum files last.
19:38:11 <ricky> We could also make a note that specifically says how the SHA1 in the checksum refers to the hash used to sign the file
19:38:30 <sijis> that's another way too.. a 'big ass' notice :)
19:38:47 <sijis> ricky: ok.. i'm trying to add this new lang 'ar'.
19:38:58 <ricky> Cool, let me know if you run into any issues
19:39:18 <ricky> Then we can add that as a SOP on the wiki later
19:39:47 <sijis> believe me. ih ave a nice text file :)
19:40:45 <josemm> hiemanshu: ok then... when are we planning to start off on get.fp.o
19:41:05 <hiemanshu> josemm: sijis will be leading and he will be having better ideas
19:41:13 <hiemanshu> josemm: I ll be starting off this weekend
19:41:20 <josemm> hiemanshu; ok
19:45:33 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: once I've committed and push, how can the website be updated on the fedora servers ?
19:45:53 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: it auto updates every 30 mintues
19:45:57 <hiemanshu> minutes**
19:46:03 <hiemanshu> Taking data from the git repo
19:46:12 <chitleshgoorah> ah ok
19:46:26 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: but before you push
19:46:35 <hiemanshu> just go to the spins.fedoraproject.org directory
19:46:39 <hiemanshu> and do a make en test
19:46:47 <hiemanshu> You can see the changes you made then
19:46:48 <chitleshgoorah> did it already
19:47:03 <hiemanshu> Thats ok then
19:47:08 <hiemanshu> If you need anymore help I am here
19:47:24 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: and IIRC I had Gallery2 running for you, but you werent here that time
19:47:27 <sijis> ricky: does the make host push need to be done in puppet?
19:47:57 <ricky> Yup
19:47:59 <chitleshgoorah> I'm off pretty soon. Tomorrow I will update the website with the contents from http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/
19:48:00 <sijis> hiemanshu: chitleshgoorah , its actually updates hourly.
19:48:21 <sijis> i think its either 00 or 10 after the hour
19:48:21 <hiemanshu> sijis: Ah ok, I thought it was 30 mins
19:48:27 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: You have granted me that galery on publictest6
19:48:59 <chitleshgoorah> should I also upload the modified *.po files as well ?
19:49:01 <sijis> josemm: do you have python knowledge/expertise, html, css, etc?
19:49:12 <ricky> chitleshgoorah: Yes, but do them in a separate commit if you can
19:49:34 <chitleshgoorah> ok ricky
19:51:18 <sijis> ricky: ok, ive done all the steps, you should see/get emails in a sec to verify it :)
19:51:34 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: can you integrate the gallery2 into the FEL's website ?
19:51:34 <ricky> sijis: Just got the commit mails, looks good to me
19:52:01 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: I think that can be done
19:52:09 <sijis> that was a few more steps than what i anticipated
19:52:16 <ricky> sijis: Oh, one more thing, would you mind going through all of our keys and checksum files and make sure that they get served https-only?
19:52:22 <josemm> sijis: yes, python, html/php css
19:52:27 <ricky> I made that change for keys/verify, but forgot to do it for the .gpg files themselves
19:52:38 <ricky> (In modules/fedora-web/files/redirects.conf)
19:52:43 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: thanks I wish to use that gallery2 to show the world our hardware design achievements made under opensource tools
19:52:52 <ricky> I think .*\.gpg and .*-CHECKSUM should be a safe start
19:53:05 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: Nice, We can work it on the weekend if you have time
19:53:15 <hiemanshu> on it during the weekend**
19:53:18 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: I'll be online
19:53:22 <sijis> ricky: ok. althought i thought we just served https.. and it auto redirect to https
19:53:33 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: I ll see you on Saturday then
19:53:40 <ricky> For some pages we do that, but not for the entire site
19:53:52 <chitleshgoorah> good night, bye
19:54:03 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: Bye
19:54:18 <ricky> Maybe static/[0-9a-fA-F]+\.txt too.
19:56:07 <josemm> sijis: yes, python, html, css
20:00:57 <ricky> Infra meeting now, for anybody who's interested
20:01:46 <sijis> thanks for the reminder!
20:01:56 <sijis> i need to fix my meeting reminder.
20:10:03 <sijis> ricky: does this make sense to add: http://fpaste.org/424O/
20:10:40 <ricky> sijis: Careful with that, I think the RewriteCond will only apply to the first one
20:11:03 <sijis> oh.
20:11:24 <ricky> The last one should probably be .*(\.gpg|-CHECKSUM)
20:11:35 <tmz> So the regex gets a bit unwieldy or multiple rewriteconds are needed
20:11:55 * ricky wishes there were a nicer way to chain those together :-/
20:11:57 <tmz> It's not a problem that the *-CHECKSUMS are in a subdir, right?
20:12:35 <ricky> It shouldn't be, but if you want to simplify more, I think it's safe to assume that anything ending in -CHECKSUM or .gpg should be served over https, regardless of where it is
20:12:51 <ricky> So even ^.*(\.gpg|-CHECKSUM)$ could be fine
20:17:59 <sijis> so for .*(\.gpg|-CHECKSUM), it doesnt matter where its coming from
20:18:34 <ricky> Yeah
20:19:18 <sijis> here's the updated one: http://fpaste.org/qJa5/
20:20:04 <ricky> Still watch out for the rewritecond
20:21:05 <sijis> i'm not a regex ninja either.
20:25:09 <sijis> ricky: does the regex look incorrect?
20:25:16 <sijis> or was it just a word of caution
20:25:38 <ricky> The regexes look right, but you need to have rewritecond lines for each rewriterule
20:25:49 <ricky> (Since it'll just apply to the first one as is)
20:32:38 <sijis> ricky: ah. i'm not an apache ninja either
20:33:18 <josemm> apache rewrite rules are intensive :)
20:34:49 <sijis> yup.
20:35:38 <josemm> sijis: will be on later...
20:35:48 <josemm> hiemanshu: good day
20:36:00 <hiemanshu> josemm: Night here, Same to you
20:36:05 <sijis> josemm: cool. we'll be here :)
20:36:18 <josemm> sijis: yepp
20:36:25 <josemm> ricky: good day
20:36:46 <josemm> hiemanshu: ok, see you later
21:15:09 <sijis> mizmo: btw.. thank you for the fanstastic mention on your blog! :)
21:15:16 <mizmo> lol my pleasure sijis
21:16:05 <sijis> very good post too. i didnit know that much work went on for it before it was ready for html'izing.
21:17:31 <mizmo> thanks :) yeh i had all that floating in my head and I thought it would be a good case study to show how we get stuff done in the commnunity
21:19:21 <sijis> yeah, that was awesome to read.
21:19:31 <sijis> i didn't know you and ricky presented the case to the board on it
21:19:59 <ricky> Hehe, it was more like the other way around :-)
21:21:56 <mchua> Case study == awesome.
21:22:21 <mchua> There's an anthro student studying Fedora and I'm going to forward that post to her because it's Really Cool.
21:25:13 <mizmo> yeh it was more they gave the case to us :)
21:38:46 <sijis> mchua: is the student studying the 'how Fedora came about' type thing?
21:39:36 <mchua> sijis: if that's Diana Martin, yes
21:39:45 <mchua> if not, there's obviously someone else I have to meet :)
21:39:50 * mchua is a *huge* ethnography geek
21:40:28 <sijis> mchua: whoever is ... "There's an anthro student studying Fedora and.."
21:42:36 <mchua> sijis: yep, that'd be Diana
21:44:42 * sijis looks up "ethnography"
22:03:12 <mchua> sijis: I think of ethnography as "looking at how systems of people work"
22:03:54 <sijis> yeah, that's an interesting topic.
22:25:25 <tmz> sijis, ricky: I just posted a potential patch to make the 'Hash: SHA1' questions a little less likely (for those who read fp.o/verify anyway).
22:25:39 <ricky> Thanks for the patch, I just sent replied to
22:25:43 <ricky> **to it
22:29:46 <tmz> Heh, and here I figured irc was quicker than email.  :)
22:30:28 <sijis> haha.
22:30:41 <sijis> i thought we were gonna post the windows exe files for sha256?
22:31:43 <sijis> ricky: i've been digging a tad about the rewrite.. are you sure i'd need a RewriteCond?
22:32:02 <ricky> Feel free to test on staging if you want to double check it
22:32:29 <ricky> Do you know how to make changes on the staging branch?
22:32:42 <ricky> From your puppet directory, git checkout --track -b staging origin/staging
22:33:08 <tmz> sijis: Yeah, that's the plan.  I just didn't get time before the string freeze.
22:33:09 <ricky> To switch back to the master (production) branch, use git checkout master
22:33:20 <ricky> Just make sure to keep track of which branch you're on always :-)
22:33:49 <tmz> __git_ps1 is required.
22:34:19 <tmz> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Git_Quickref#Display_current_branch_in_bash
22:35:52 <ricky> By the way, do you think spins.fp.o is ready for translation?
22:36:20 <ricky> It's currently locked in transifex, but I have a feeling somebody will unlock it after an email to fedora-trans-list
22:36:41 <ricky> sijis, mizmo: Thoughts on that? ^
22:37:04 <mizmo> ricky: i dont think its quite ready yet
22:37:18 <mizmo> ricky: sijis was looking at templating the 'support' pages which will change the language on them
22:37:21 <ricky> Ah, thanks
22:37:59 <sijis> yeah, gotta play with that support template idea of mine
22:39:47 <sijis> ricky: what do you mean locked?
22:39:55 <ricky> https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-web/master-spins-fedoraproject/
22:39:57 <sijis> it needs to be neabled in transifex?
22:39:59 <ricky> It's marked not ready to be translated
22:40:56 <sijis> gotcha.
22:41:17 <ricky> tmz: yes to the <strong> thing, and sounds good for the windows thing :-)
22:41:35 <tmz> Cool.  I'll push that in a moment.
22:42:03 <tmz> I copied emph literally and then scratched my head wondering why it didn't work.  <em> instead.
22:42:13 <sijis> so.. on a side note/thought. is there a way to "migrate" the spins.fp.o to a difference git repo (and keep history)?
22:42:28 <ricky> Yup, that'd be possible
22:42:46 <sijis> i think em is for italics, no?
22:43:09 <ricky> Sorry, you're right
22:43:14 <ricky> I'm too used to LaTeX now :-)
22:43:25 <ricky> tmz: ^ <em>, not <emph>
22:43:30 <mizmo> sijis: the download links for kde and kde only can be round-robin mirrored
22:43:31 <mizmo> sijis:  http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Live/i686/Fedora-12-i686-Live-KDE.iso
22:43:32 <mizmo> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Live/x86_64/Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso
22:43:38 <mizmo> sijis: is there a way to use those links for KDE only?
22:43:47 <mizmo> sijis: the download page is templatized so im not sure how to override them
22:43:54 <tmz> Yemp, I got it.  Vague recollections of the ghost of HTML past.
22:45:29 <sijis> mizmo: i'm sure its possible. would I be able to do it quickly? honestly, maybe not
22:46:09 <sijis> the reason, it may require some python-fu skills, which i don't really posses
22:46:28 <mizmo> okay ill open up a ticket on it
22:47:36 <sijis> mizmo: will those url's change at all?
22:48:03 <mizmo> sijis: nope
22:48:09 <mizmo> not for f12 anyway
22:48:15 <mizmo> they are automagically redirects for mirrors
22:48:31 <sijis> ok.
22:51:22 <sijis> i think i have an idea. it *may* actually be quite simple.
22:53:34 <mizmo> yay!
23:15:41 <sijis> tmz: i love the red bar :)
23:40:12 <sijis> yay! i think i have a bad hack for those links :)
23:41:51 <sijis> thinking about this too.. the downloads stats will/may be affected too.
23:58:44 <sijis_afk> ricky: i maybe need your help with 'doing it in stagning' comment re: RewriteCond
23:59:08 * sijis_afk headed out for drinks!
03:06:15 <lili_> ianweller, we have solved that problem.
03:07:21 <ianweller> lili_: awesome!
03:07:28 <ianweller> lili_: i wanna see what you did :)
03:07:59 <lili_> ianweller, this is my draft:
03:08:02 <lili_> https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lm/draft
03:08:51 <lili_> ianweller, this is jlaska's draft:
03:08:51 <lili_> https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jlaska/draft2
03:09:40 <lili_> ianweller, we have some modification to the template.
03:09:51 <ianweller> lili_: those both look great.
03:13:20 <lili_> ianweller, thanks,I don't know the complex syntax.if I encounter issues next time, I will find you to ask for help too
04:53:09 * mchua offers to lend a hand with semantic mediawiki should QA ever want to try that out again
13:46:34 <tmz> Haha, the big red bar worked.
14:58:06 <sijis_afk> tmz: i was just going to say the same thing!
14:58:22 <tmz> :)
15:00:27 <sijis> tmz: how's it been? busy at work?
15:02:19 <tmz> sijis: Seems so.  Things come in bursts.
15:02:21 <tmz> You?
15:07:21 <sijis> sorta.. a little busy. although we are in 'change freeze' here.
15:07:37 <sijis> the freeze is not like it used to be.
16:34:37 <mizmo> sijis: i just filed those tickets we talked about, sorry it took me so long
16:34:46 <zodbot> Ticket notification - fedoraweb: Ticket #4 (defect created): Support tab of spins details pages should be templatized <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/4> || Ticket #3 (enhancement created): KDE download links should use round robin mirror links <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/3> || Ticket #2 (enhancement created): Randomize community interviews/profiles on front page <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/2>
16:34:48 <mizmo> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/report/1
16:35:21 <sijis> mizmo: no problem.
16:35:35 <sijis> mizmo: also, i thought about this last night. i got the iso thing to work
16:35:45 <mizmo> sijis: oh sweet!
16:35:48 <mizmo> sijis: is it live now?
16:35:53 <sijis> however, it will skewe the downloads numbers because that's based on torrent downloads.
16:35:58 <mizmo> ohhhhh
16:36:06 <sijis> (i haven't pushed it yet)
16:36:16 <mizmo> how is it gonna skew them
16:36:48 <sijis> well, it just won't be as accurate. since kde primary shown method would be .iso
16:36:54 <mizmo> im gonna talk to kevin about it
16:36:56 <mizmo> and see what he thinks
16:36:58 <sijis> i'm not sure if that's trackable.
16:37:01 <mizmo> about it affecting the stats
16:37:27 <sijis> it *may* not be a big issue, it just means that the stats may be affected
16:37:33 <mizmo> we could ask in #fedora-admin too if theres a way to account for it in the stats
16:37:55 <sijis> although, we shouldn't depend on it.. it just a 'nice feature'.
16:38:38 <sijis> i'm just bringing up a concern. maybe its not a problem at all.
16:40:05 <mizmo> i think the stats should be accurate as we can make them tho
16:40:09 <mizmo> i think its definitely worth discussing
16:43:32 <sijis> agreed. that's why i didn't push it last night
16:52:51 <sijis> you shouldn't run and eat!
17:41:52 <zodbot> Ticket notification - fedoraweb: Ticket #3 (enhancement created): KDE round robin mirror links should be added to KDE support page <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/3>
17:58:35 <zodbot> Ticket notification - fedoraweb: Ticket #5 (enhancement created): Adding mirror links to support tab template <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/5>
23:05:55 <tmz> Well crap.  The F12 CHECKSUM files aren't done in binary mode, so verifying with sha256sum.exe on Windows fails. :/
23:06:12 <tmz> Just a missing *.
23:06:30 <sijis> stickster: was that ticket (#1828), more and FYI. was there a site you notice that had the wrong link?
23:06:56 <sijis> tmz: are you serious? it doesn't work? :(
23:07:47 <tmz> The F11 sums work, since they have the * specifier to tell sha256sum.exe to verify in binary mode.
23:08:46 <tmz> Compare https://fedoraproject.org/static/checksums/Fedora-11-i686-Live-CHECKSUM and https://fedoraproject.org/static/checksums/Fedora-12-i686-Live-CHECKSUM for that minor, but important difference (to Windows anyway, *nix always uses binary mode AFAIK)
23:09:37 <tmz> On the upside, I make a mingw32-sha256sum package that we can easily build in koji so that the binary we share can be independently verified.
23:09:43 <tmz> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1820614
23:10:48 <tmz> I need to comment in bug 527060 and get some feedback to ensure that's a reasonable packaging job.
23:11:02 <sijis> the F11 shows the "Hash: SHA256
23:11:34 <sijis> so folks would no longer get confused :)
23:12:44 <tmz> Yeah, as a happy conincidence.
23:13:03 <tmz> I almost prefer that they don't match, so that more people will realize they are not related.
23:15:09 <stickster> sijis:
23:15:10 <stickster> Hi
23:15:16 <stickster> oops, sorry to split lines on you!
23:15:52 <sijis> totally fine.
23:15:52 <stickster> sijis: We had a "filler" link in the footer since the actual page hadn't been finished yet. Now the right page is finished and available so we just need to change that URL
23:16:24 <stickster> I think it was rh.c/Fedora before
23:16:46 <sijis> yeah, you're right.
23:16:53 <sijis> i'll update right away on spins.fp.o
23:17:06 <sijis> when i glanced on it, they looked identical
23:17:24 <sijis> i couldn't find any other reference to that link on any other site on the repo.
23:18:21 <stickster> Hey thanks sijis!
23:20:27 <sijis> pushed.. should be available in about an hour
23:26:19 <tmz> stickster_afk: BTW, nice interview you did with Bruce Byfield.
23:26:27 <sijis> tmz: link?
23:27:12 <tmz> sijis: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3848891/Building-On-Ramps-on-the-Fedora-12-Highway.htm
23:31:01 <sijis> tmz: thanks!
23:31:27 <sijis> alright. headed home.
23:31:40 <sijis> have a good weekend all
23:31:49 * sijis vanishes...
23:33:02 <tmz> Have fun sijis_afk.
15:27:42 <chitleshgoorah> hello hiemanshu
15:28:02 <chitleshgoorah> can we setup this gallery2 we talked about 2 days ago ?
15:37:41 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: Sure
15:37:57 <chitleshgoorah> cool :)
15:38:33 <chitleshgoorah> is it possible to add a tab "Gallery" to http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ ?
15:39:06 <chitleshgoorah> in that tab, the gallery2 can be accessed ?
15:39:38 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: It should be possible, sijis_afk would have a better idea about that part
15:39:40 <hiemanshu> ping sijis_afk
15:40:33 <hiemanshu> Yup it is possible
15:40:37 <hiemanshu> I just looked at the code
15:41:10 <chitleshgoorah> can you do the necessary then ?
15:42:42 <hiemanshu> I ll have to look at integrating Gallery2 with Python
15:44:45 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: we could edit the theme and remove the top and bottom part and display it as an iframe
15:45:28 <chitleshgoorah> great them :)
15:45:32 <chitleshgoorah> then
15:45:58 <hiemanshu> Or we could even Just have the pics in a page called Screenshots or Gallery
15:47:02 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: do what you think is best, cause I have no idea how to integrate it
15:51:12 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: with the second one we just show a thumbnail and link them to the full image which would be a lot better
15:51:30 <chitleshgoorah> ok then :)
15:52:52 <hiemanshu> Can you email me all the pics?
15:54:09 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/gallery2/main.php
15:54:36 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: Only those right?
15:55:15 <chitleshgoorah> hiemanshu: currently yes, in the future more screenshots will be added to this gallery2
15:56:00 <hiemanshu> chitleshgoorah: I ll just copy the images, make thumbnails of them and upload them as on a Gallery Page after the screenshots
15:56:04 <hiemanshu> err
15:56:06 <hiemanshu> Support Page
15:56:18 <chitleshgoorah> Oki
15:56:43 <hiemanshu> I ll just speak to sijis_afk once about it, cause I dont want to mess it up :D
15:56:48 <chitleshgoorah> :)
15:57:25 <hiemanshu> sijis_afk: ping again
19:43:25 <josemm> hiemanshu: Lo
19:43:28 <josemm> how are things
19:43:30 <josemm> ?
19:43:38 <hiemanshu> josemm: Its just going on
19:43:42 <hiemanshu> Getting ready to sleep
19:44:00 <josemm> hiemanshu; oh ok
19:44:05 <josemm> good night then :)
04:02:48 <hiemanshu> .fasinfo darkedge
04:02:50 <zodbot> hiemanshu: User: darkedge, Name: Aran Dean, email: arandean@netspace.net.au, Creation: 2009-11-22, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, Extension: 5140927, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
04:02:54 <zodbot> hiemanshu: Approved Groups: fedorabugs triagers
04:02:57 <zodbot> hiemanshu: Unapproved Groups: None
08:11:25 <signbit> Hey guys. I am a Programmer Analyst looking to help out Fedora in any way that I can. I would love to help the website team. Nothing is to small. If it's something minor like changing text or a css style I would love to help. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance
08:37:58 <mchua> signbit: hi there! I think most of the websites team is sleeping right now.
08:38:20 <mchua> signbit: have you introduced yourself on the websites mailing list?
08:38:37 <signbit> not yet. What is the best way to do that?
08:38:45 <mchua> signbit: that's probably a good way to start - hang on, let me find the link.
08:38:52 <signbit> thx
08:39:38 <hiemanshu> mchua, I aint sleeping :P
08:39:47 <mchua> signbit: never mind, hiemanshu doesn't sleep :)
08:40:10 <hiemanshu> mchua, its 14:05 here :P
08:40:17 <signbit> lol
08:40:29 <mchua> hiemanshu: that's the time my body thinks it is, too
08:40:32 * mchua just got back from Singapore
08:40:50 <hiemanshu> mchua, ah, Nice.
08:41:04 <mchua> signbit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites has a lot of information, though one of the things that would be helpful is if you let us know when things are confusing/hard-to-find
08:41:17 <mchua> we've been around for a while and have memorized way too many URLs
08:41:44 <hiemanshu> mchua, that URL was in /topic :P
08:41:51 <hiemanshu> signbit, Look up the page, find the mailing list and introduce yourself
08:41:53 <mchua> signbit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join is where you'll want to start
08:42:04 <signbit> I was talking with Mike Mcgrath and he mentioned that a lot of the website team is busy with "Day jobs" so they are usually looking for help
08:42:24 <hiemanshu> mchua, In a month or so, I ll be ready to start with mktg stuff, Have my exams coming up soon
08:42:38 <mchua> hiemanshu: yeah, but we can always make things easier to find :P
08:43:07 * mchua sometimes forgets to read /topic (and the URL is almost out of my terminal - I'm using irssi)
08:46:36 <signbit> quick question. Does my gpg key have to be gpg or can it be gpg2?
08:47:10 <hiemanshu> signbit, Anything is fine with it
08:51:20 <mchua> signbit: I would *totally* love some help with Fedora Insight if you like playing with CSS for a CMS
08:51:45 <signbit> I have done a tone of work with CSS on CMS sites.
08:52:14 <mchua> signbit: though I should warn you that this will probably consist of a lot of "hey upstream, you're making life hard for people who want to make skins for you"
08:52:39 <mchua> signbit: ever done anything with zikula (formerly postnuke)?
08:53:15 <hiemanshu> mchua, I remember the problem i had with the CSS stuff i did for it once
08:53:17 <signbit> I have worked with it some yes
08:53:22 <mchua> signbit: AWESOME
08:54:08 <mchua> signbit: ok, the site we're working on (which is on publictest right now - as soon as we fix up the theme we can package it and go to staging to do load testing) is at https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/
08:54:41 <mchua> it's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight, and it'll be a place where marketing materials about Fedora go out, and the Fedora Weekly News
08:54:57 <mchua> (fedora weekly news == FWN, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN)
08:55:29 <mchua> instead of our current "where was that feature profile? scattered across one of these several thousand blogs..." method
08:56:30 <mchua> signbit: there are some css things we need to fix (and some js ones also, if you like those too)
08:56:37 <mchua> right now most of them are listed on https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Fedora+Insight&order=priority
08:56:50 <mchua> but I should be moving them to the design queue where they belong at... some point
08:56:52 <signbit> JS is great too
08:58:49 <mchua> signbit: awesome - ok, let me move those to the design queue so they'll be easier to keep track of
08:59:51 <signbit> Thanks!
09:01:48 <signbit> I have a request to join the website team. Does that need to be approved before I can do any work?
09:02:10 <mchua> signbit: Nope.
09:02:26 <mchua> signbit: what that will do is give you access to the git repositories with the websites stuff in them.
09:02:36 <signbit> great
09:03:13 <signbit> would you recommned gpg or gpg2 for my key?
09:03:19 <signbit> what do most fedora people use?
09:03:35 <mchua> signbit: I use gpg myself.
09:03:42 <signbit> ok, thanks
09:03:47 <mchua> (fwiw)
09:04:13 <mchua> signbit: even if you don't have commit access to a repository, you can play with websites stuff by using https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs
09:04:56 <mchua> signbit: now that you've got a FAS account, you have space on fedorapeople.org that you can use for whatever you like, so you can always upload experiments, samples, etc. there
09:05:41 <mchua> signbit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org#Accessing_Your_fedorapeople.org_Space
09:06:33 <signbit> says: You must be sponsored in a group (other than the CLA groups)
09:07:42 <mchua> signbit: Ahh. Well, I can fix that, since if you're working on the Fedora Insight skin you're helping out the marketing team :)
09:07:54 <signbit> :) terrific!!!
09:08:19 <mchua> signbit: (getting set up to Do Stuff takes a little while, but once you're set up, you're set up for pretty much everything)
09:08:40 <signbit> Thanks you so much!!!
09:12:20 <signbit> is this the best place/way to contact you?
09:14:12 <mchua> signbit: I'm generally on IRC all the time, yup.
09:14:21 <signbit> great
09:14:23 <mchua> signbit: sorry for the latency, I'm looking up all the instructions for the stuff you'll have to do ;)
09:14:36 <mchua> signbit: (will you be around for, say, the next 10 min?)
09:14:45 <signbit> sure will
09:16:12 <mchua> signbit: ok - I want to get you access to 3 things: (1) your fedorapeople space, (2) the publictest server that the current FI instance is on, so you can start playing directly with that, and (3) the websites git repository
09:16:36 <mchua> signbit: I can get you (1) and (3) right now, (2) is something we'll have to ask in #fedora-admin about
09:16:43 <mchua> signbit: but let's start with the 3rd
09:16:49 <signbit> ok, take all the time you need. Ill be on for awhile
09:18:01 <mchua> signbit: ok - I see your intro on the websites list, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-November/msg00084.html
09:18:47 <mchua> signbit: but it looks like the website team join procedure (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Join) wants new contribs to hang around a little before they get formally sponsored
09:19:32 <signbit> makes sense
09:20:16 <mchua> signbit: so we'll get through that real quick by having you do the same stuff in FI through the marketing team, which doesn't have that requirement. ;)
09:20:33 <signbit> hehe ;)
09:21:00 <signbit> should I apply to that team?
09:21:25 * mchua runs Marketing, and often uses it as a fast on-ramp for new contribs that need a way to help out quickly while they're waiting for sponsorship somewhere else
09:21:34 <mchua> signbit: yep, go ahead and apply for FAS access to the marketing team
09:21:57 <signbit> ok, I just applied. Do I need to introduce myself on the mailing list as well
09:21:57 <mchua> signbit: once you forward the intro you just sent to websites to the marketing list (http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list)
09:22:02 <mchua> signbit: I can approve it
09:22:12 <mchua> signbit: yep, another list to subscribe to ;)
09:22:19 <signbit> doing it now
09:22:31 <mchua> signbit: thanks! (yeah, in Fedora, mail filters are... a very good idea)
09:24:47 <signbit> ok, sent my intor
09:24:49 <signbit> intro
09:25:02 <mchua> ok, getting your group membership going...
09:25:07 <mchua> .fasinfo signbit
09:25:08 <zodbot> mchua: User "signbit" doesn't exist
09:25:32 <mchua> oh, you have a different username and IRC nick
09:25:49 <gsieranski> this is my username
09:25:57 <gsieranski> should I keep them the same?
09:25:58 <hiemanshu> .fasinfo gsieranski
09:25:59 <zodbot> hiemanshu: User: gsieranski, Name: None, email: gps@signbit.org, Creation: 2008-06-17, IRC Nick: signbit, Timezone: None, Locale: None, Extension: 5108289, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
09:26:02 <zodbot> hiemanshu: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fedora
09:26:05 <zodbot> hiemanshu: Unapproved Groups: web marketing
09:26:11 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, Not really a problem
09:26:23 <mchua> gsieranski: you don't have to, but I just needed to find it so I could approve the right username for the group :)
09:26:29 <gsieranski> gotcha
09:26:35 <mchua> gsieranski: plenty of fedora people have different IRC nicks and FAS usernames
09:26:54 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, If you want to help out with websites too, We are planning to get started with a new redesign some time soon
09:26:58 <mchua> (including stickster/pfrields, who's the Fedora Project Leader)
09:27:47 <gsieranski> hiemanshu I would love to
09:28:22 <mchua> .fas gsieranski
09:28:24 <zodbot> mchua: gpsieranski 'Gregory Sieranski' <gsieranski@yahoo.com> - gsieranski 'Greg Sieranski' <greg.sieranski@gmail.com>
09:28:27 <mchua> whoops
09:28:30 <mchua> .fasinfo gsieranski
09:28:31 <zodbot> mchua: User: gsieranski, Name: None, email: gps@signbit.org, Creation: 2008-06-17, IRC Nick: gsieranski, Timezone: None, Locale: None, Extension: 5108289, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
09:28:34 <zodbot> mchua: Approved Groups: cla_done marketing cla_fedora
09:28:37 <zodbot> mchua: Unapproved Groups: web
09:28:51 <mchua> gsieranski: cool, you have fedorapeople access now
09:29:02 <mchua> gsieranski: so you should be able to ssh gsieranski@fedorapeople.org
09:29:26 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, You will need to upload your Public SSH key
09:29:29 <hiemanshu> and wait a while
09:29:48 <gsieranski> ssh key should be uploaded already
09:30:22 <mchua> gsieranski: once you ssh into fedorapeople, you can make a public_html dir and start using it as a scratchspace for files, it'll show at http://gsieranski.fedorapeople.org
09:30:33 <mchua> gsieranski: you can also add your blog to Planet Fedora, if you want
09:31:02 <mchua> gsieranski: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet
09:31:04 <Ac-town> it can take an hour for the ssh key to get around to all the servers
09:31:17 <mchua> gsieranski: http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_Fedora_Planet
09:31:38 <mchua> gsieranski: reading Planet is a nice way to find out what various people are up to; not everyone blogs there, but it gives you a feel for the space.
09:32:10 <mchua> (tonight is information overload night!)
09:33:01 <gsieranski> lol
09:33:20 <mchua> in the meantime, let's see if we can't get you access to the publictest server so you can start looking inside Fedora Insight...
09:33:31 <mchua> gsieranski: join me in #fedora-admin for a moment?
09:35:18 <gsieranski> k
09:35:30 <mchua> gsieranski: (I asked in the #fedora-admin channel for someone to sponsor you, so we'll see if anyone awake right now can do it)
09:38:43 <mchua> gsieranski: welcome back!
09:38:51 <gsieranski> hey
09:38:58 <mchua> gsieranski: (btw, let me know when you can ssh into your fedorapeople space, I'm not sure how long the key will take to propagate.)
09:39:18 <gsieranski> I'm in. Just created my .planet file
09:40:21 <mchua> gsieranski: cool, looking forward to reading your posts
09:40:51 <mchua> gsieranski: now that you have a FAS account, you can also log into things like the design team trac, https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/login
09:41:25 <mchua> ...which is where I'm going to be popping over the FI (fedora insight) tickets now, and you can take whichever ones you want
09:41:43 <gsieranski> great, just logged in
09:46:09 <mchua> gsieranski: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/84
09:46:12 <mchua> (is the first)
09:47:23 <mchua> gsieranski: I'm going through and moving all of them, if you'd like to help with the migration I can give you Marketing ticket numbers that I'm moving to Design trac
09:48:02 <mchua> (though I usually try to do this kind of boring "woo, let's shuffle tickets around" work myself so that other folks can actually do Marketing Stuff)
09:48:57 <gsieranski> Was just looking at how to upload git repo to my fedorapeople. is there a repo I should clone to my home dir and then upload or should I just create a blank git repo and push that?
09:50:28 <mchua> gsieranski: for general websites stuff? git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-web.git
09:51:07 <gsieranski> so clone that to my home and then upload it to my fedorapeople
09:51:20 <mchua> hiemanshu: ^^ you're probably better able to answer this question, btw
09:52:26 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, I lost you, what exactly are you trying to do?
09:52:33 <mchua> gsieranski: I *think* most folks clone the git repo to their local machine and tinker there, then post the subset that they worked on to their fedorapeople space in order to show others
09:52:46 <mchua> but I usually don't do html/css work myself so I'm not exactly sure
09:52:52 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, we usually send the patches with screenshots
09:52:58 <hiemanshu> to the mailing list
09:53:09 <mchua> gsieranski: mostly because the fedora-web repo is big
09:53:52 <mchua> hiemanshu: can you walk him through the process you'd use?
09:54:03 * mchua wonders if we need a howto contribute to websites Classroom session
09:54:12 <hiemanshu> mchua, Sure
09:54:31 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, First thing would be to follow the commands on the show us page, and clone the git repo
09:54:44 <mchua> we have docs, but they're scattered, so there's probably value in walking a couple new folks through the process all at once, so we know exactly what new people need to go from "hi!" to "first contribution posted"
09:54:50 <mchua> hiemanshu: to your local machine?
09:54:56 <hiemanshu> mchua, Yup
09:55:15 <gsieranski> cloning now
09:55:26 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, If you find a ticket, You make a change to respective files and send the patch and screenshot to the mailing list
09:55:38 <hiemanshu> You can do a make en test in the directory you made a change
09:55:49 <hiemanshu> and should be able to see it at localhost:5000
09:57:21 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-June/msg00138.html
09:57:33 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, Once it has been approved, You commit and push
09:59:51 <gsieranski> so basically just clone to my laptop and then once I get changes approved push them to the web git. I don't need any git repos in my fedorapeople space?
10:00:40 <hiemanshu> Nope
10:00:54 <hiemanshu> If you want to show something You can copy the file in output folder
10:01:11 <gsieranski> nm, i post my changes to my fedorapeople and then you can copy them
10:08:53 <mchua> gsieranski: btw, a useful blog post to do at some point would be "the process of starting to contribute to the Websites team, and how it could be streamlined to be easier" ;)
10:09:27 * mchua just read through the logs from tonight and thinks this process could... uh... be improved
10:09:52 <gsieranski> Great idea, i will put something together
10:12:30 <mchua> thanks, gsieranski. in general, feedback on how to make it easier to contribute is both (1) a big help and (2) something we don't get enough of
10:12:35 <mchua> so it's particularly appreciated
10:14:03 <gsieranski> what email client do you use that enables you to set up the from header as "username@fedoraproject.org"?
10:16:08 <gsieranski> found it. Thunderbird works
10:16:15 <mchua> gsieranski: yeah, that's what I use
10:18:41 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, GMail webclient for me
10:23:44 <gsieranski> what's the url for my fedorapeople page?
10:24:03 <mchua> gsieranski.fedorapeople.org
10:24:50 <gsieranski> hmm 404
10:25:01 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, Just for a while then
10:25:19 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, have you been able to ssh?
10:25:36 <gsieranski> yea, i can ssh in
10:25:57 <hiemanshu> Then it should only be a while
10:26:02 <gsieranski> cool
10:26:14 <hiemanshu> You have the public_html folder too right
10:27:05 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, When you see your name here http://fedorapeople.org/
10:27:25 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, You should be able to access via Wen
10:27:28 <hiemanshu> Web**
10:29:11 <gsieranski> thanks
10:33:01 <mchua> gsieranski: tickets are trickling in as I find more efficient ways to copypaste, https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=%7Einsight&order=priority
10:33:16 <mchua> (though I'm loading them in priority order, so you're seeing the important ones first)
10:33:20 <gsieranski> cool
10:41:02 <mchua> gsieranski: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/90 will be a particularly tricky one, but if you've worked with postnuke before that might be helpful
10:43:22 <gsieranski> hmm, ill see what I can do with that one
10:44:12 <mchua> gsieranski: they're likely not awake right now, but itbegins (in England) and mizmo (in Boston) are the two folks most likely to be helpful to talk with on IRC or via email
10:44:17 <mchua> .fas itbegins
10:44:18 <zodbot> mchua: itbegins 'Simon Birtwistle' <simon@zikula.org>
10:44:22 <mchua> .fas mizmo
10:44:23 <zodbot> mchua: duffy 'Máirín Duffy' <mairin@linuxgrrl.com>
10:45:49 <mchua> gsieranski: Simon is our resident zikula guru, and Mairin/Mo is a CSS goddess and did the initial FI skin work
10:46:19 <mchua> gsieranski: so if you have questions on any of the FI css tasks they'd be the ones to ping
10:47:22 <mchua> gsieranski: the contact method I would use is to email the websites mailing list and cc both Simon and Mo
10:47:39 <gsieranski> beat me to the question :)
10:48:52 <hiemanshu> mchua, IIRC I did this https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/91
10:52:30 <mchua> hiemanshu: yep! and we also need to document what you and Simon did so we can do it again later if we need to.
10:52:38 <mchua> from the ticket: "This work has actually been done, but not documented - so the task in this ticket is to look at the marketing ticket and write up a HOWTO"
10:53:16 <hiemanshu> mchua, Really i dont remember all that well, I just remember editing a file and adding reference to the variable Simon gave
10:56:07 <mchua> hiemanshu: yeah, that's exactly why we need to go back and figure out how to do it again, and screenshot/screencast/write that up
10:56:27 <mchua> hiemanshu: because I'm sure we'll add/change FI categories in the future, and we need to be able to make category images work for those new/changed categories too when the time comes
10:56:52 <hiemanshu> mchua, <nod> I ll have a look at it soon
10:56:56 <hiemanshu> Busy all this month
10:57:00 <hiemanshu> Exams from the next month
10:59:25 <mchua> hiemanshu: no worries, part of the reason I made that ticket is so others could pick it up
10:59:53 <mchua> hiemanshu: I figured it was easier for you to answer questions from someone who was working on writing the docs than it would be for you to take the time to write them yourself
11:00:03 <mchua> especially in the middle of exams.
11:00:45 <hiemanshu> mchua, Answer questions is fine, I am kind of stuck up here
11:01:35 <mchua> hiemanshu: yup - thanks again for doing the first round of category image css work with Simon, btw!
11:01:46 <gsieranski> when you have a fix would i push the whole fedora-web.git to my fedorapeople site
11:01:47 <hiemanshu> np :)
11:01:57 <hiemanshu> gsieranski, no
11:02:08 <hiemanshu> Lets say you changes in spins.fp.o
11:02:10 <hiemanshu> Go to that dir
11:02:14 <hiemanshu> make en test
11:02:18 <hiemanshu> and take screenshots
11:04:47 <gsieranski> right then send to the list
11:13:03 <mchua> gsieranski: ok, the list is complete at https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=%7Einsight&order=priority
11:14:07 <gsieranski> awesome, ill go through them and start to work what I can
11:19:27 <mchua> gsieranski: thanks! I see you've got a few on your list already
11:20:06 <gsieranski> yea, running through the site and code to try and get somewhat up to speed then I will begin work
11:24:33 <gsieranski> back in a few
11:24:49 <gsieranski> AWAY
11:25:29 <mchua> gsieranski: you rock. thank you!
11:25:35 <gsieranski> no problem
11:26:08 <mchua> gsieranski: as soon as you get sysadmin-test membership (hopefully within a day or two) you'll be able to ssh into the test server with zikula on it and make tweaks directly
11:26:19 <mchua> which will make life Infinitely Easier
11:28:04 * mchua --> bed
00:33:22 <gsieranski> @hiemanshu|AFK I still do not have a fedorapeople webpage
01:12:30 <nb> .fasinfo gsieranski
01:12:31 <zodbot> nb: User: gsieranski, Name: None, email: gps@signbit.org, Creation: 2008-06-17, IRC Nick: gsieranski, Timezone: None, Locale: None, Extension: 5108289, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
01:12:34 <zodbot> nb: Approved Groups: cla_done marketing cla_fedora
01:12:37 <zodbot> nb: Unapproved Groups: web
01:12:40 <nb> gsieranski, not sure why
01:13:31 <gsieranski> I can ssh in to my fedorapeople account
01:14:18 <tmz> I think you may need to create a ~/public_html folder.
01:15:22 <gsieranski> so ssh in a create the folder
01:15:55 <tmz> Or even just ssh fedorapeople.org mkdir public_html.
01:16:05 <gsieranski> mkdir public_html
01:16:08 <gsieranski> yea, just did it
01:16:32 <tmz> I'm not positive that's required, but the FAQ does state that to have a publicly avaialble web space, that's needed.
01:16:54 <tmz> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org#Common_Answers
01:18:41 <tmz> I believe the main index page is created once per hour.  52 minutes past each hour, if I'm looking at the right think in puppet.
01:21:16 <gsieranski> cool, I have the folder created so well see what happens. Thanks guys!
01:22:19 <tmz> Good luck.  Yell if it doesn't work.  It might require access from someone in #fedora-admin.
01:24:36 <nb> yeah, iirc, only sysadmin-main has sudo on people1
01:28:03 <gsieranski> so I need a sysadmin?
01:28:29 <tmz> Not unless you still don't have an entry after the next run.
01:28:58 <gsieranski> k, whats the command to do "gsieranski, not sure why"
01:29:05 <gsieranski> been awhile since i used irc
01:29:17 <tmz> Did you add any files to public_html?  (I'd have to check the script that makes the main index page to see if it looks for them or if the dir along is sufficient
01:29:27 <tmz> gsieranski: /me not sure why
01:29:51 * gsieranski where is the script at?
01:30:38 <tmz> It's in the infrastructure puppet repo, which isn't currently public.
01:30:53 <tmz> But poking it, the test it does is simply if [ -d $homedir/public_html/ ] ...
01:31:14 <tmz> So creating the dir should get you an entry on the main page when it runs next.
01:31:20 <gsieranski> cool
01:32:00 <gsieranski> tmz how do I get it to do: "tmz: thanks for the info"
01:33:07 <tmz> Usually just type part of the nick you want to mention that to and hit tab.
01:33:22 <gsieranski> tmz, cool
01:33:33 <tmz> :)
01:33:38 <gsieranski> tmz: thanks!
01:33:57 * tmz is expecting to wear out the tab key on a keyboard someday
01:34:10 * gsieranski same hear
04:27:30 <sijis_afk> hiemanshu: pong
04:28:52 <hiemanshu> sijis, Chitlesh wanted an extra tab added to FEL spins page and wanted screenshots to be shown on that page
04:31:52 <sijis> hiemanshu: ahh. i don't see a problem with that.
04:32:20 <hiemanshu> sijis, What would be the best way to get that done?
04:32:29 <sijis> i'd run it quickly by mizmo in case she may have a diff thought about it
04:32:44 <sijis> as its "somewhat design".
04:33:16 <hiemanshu> Yup
04:34:08 <sijis> hiemanshu: to add the tab, is techincally easy. just add two div's :)
04:34:23 <sijis> one insdie panes and on inside tabs.
04:34:28 <hiemanshu> sijis, Yeah i say that, I just wanted to confirm :)
04:35:15 <sijis> oh, okay. cool :)
11:46:09 <Taljurf> Anybody here?
16:02:56 <tmz> sijis: This looks a bit old, but might be a start? http://www.rgagnon.com/jsdetails/js-0034.html
16:04:30 <tmz> And perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest
16:05:09 <tmz> If it's a lot less hassle, we could just do it all via a sponsor.js that is an erb template.
16:22:29 <sijis> i think it maybe less hassle to do that.
16:22:45 <sijis> although, i think we should do both.. the text file and the js erb file
16:22:49 <tmz> It'll be quicker, for sure.
16:23:21 <sijis> i should have some time today to butcher the countdown js file :)
16:23:22 <tmz> And yeah, doing both is easy and leaves the door open to redo the js to read the text file later, when someone is bored and has time.
16:23:33 <sijis> you got it. ;)
16:23:55 <sijis> and, if we put on webroot, we can double-check that the js output is correct.
16:25:20 <tmz> One thing that will be fun here is ensuring that this works for us to test the site locally.
16:27:16 <sijis> well.. we could just create the js file and pull from other sources
16:27:43 <sijis> and put diff info, if that works, it *should* work for the sponsors too.
16:29:37 <tmz> So the sponsor.js could just have 'if hostname==$sponsor1_from_puppet; ...; elif hostname==sponsor2_from_puppet; ...; else ...' ?
16:29:59 <tmz> Or case/switch.  I dunno if js has that.
16:30:34 <sijis> well, i thinking about using variables. var sponsor = %variable%
16:31:08 <sijis> and then use sponsor name, to use the image.. img scr=/path/to/image.%sponsor%.png
16:31:12 <sijis> (something like that.
16:31:38 <sijis> s/sponsor/host
16:32:13 <sijis> i was thinking that way in the erb file, we just get the shortname of the server.
16:33:25 <sijis> (i hope that makes sense)
16:34:43 <tmz> Yeah, that sounds easy.  How might that work in a local git repo for testing?
16:37:44 <sijis> hmm... my only thought would be to manually change the path to the js file to a remote file
16:38:52 <tmz> We could have a sponsor.js in the repo, knowing that puppet will overwrite it when pushed to a host.
16:39:43 <tmz> The stock sponsor.js could be blank or just hardcode one sponsor perhaps.  Blank might be good in case puppet doesn't update it right away.
16:40:09 <tmz> We wouldn't want a Serverbearch sponsor logo showing up on some other sponsor site I guess. ;)
16:40:41 <sijis> yeah, agreed. they may be a tad upset :)
16:40:58 <sijis> looking up jquery, this *may* work too (http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/use-jquery-to-retrieve-data-from-an-xml-file/)
16:41:24 <sijis> although, i like the erb with a stock js one :)
16:43:34 <tmz> That does look handy though, for potential use later.
16:53:53 <sijis> boy, i really feel like doing 0 work today.
16:54:58 <tmz> Take an early lunch!
16:55:19 <sijis> haha. i can't take one for the whole day!
16:55:31 <tmz> Which reminds me, I'm in EST.  Looks like it's lunchtime now. :)
16:55:54 <sijis> whereabouts? (im in CST, Chicago)
16:56:20 <tmz> Near Harrisburg, in PA.
16:56:38 <tmz> Way too far north.
16:58:09 <tmz> I'll be back in a while.  I started to poke a little at the puppet configs for hosted, so I'll hopefully have a half decent idea where things go.
17:00:30 <sijis> ok.. excellent
18:19:13 <gsieranski> hey guys, how do I add a wiki page to my fedorapeople's website?
18:19:38 <sijis> whatcha mean by wiki page?
18:20:00 <sijis> like a custom home page, instead of just the directory listing?
18:20:39 <gsieranski> well, I wanted to document what I had to do to get set up to work on the website
18:20:42 <gsieranski> yea
18:20:45 <sijis> mizmo: did you get the email i sent you last night/this morning?
18:20:52 <mizmo> i did
18:20:54 * mizmo is in a meeting right now
18:21:06 <sijis> mizmo: no prob... we'll pick this up later then.
18:21:10 <mizmo> kk :)
18:21:55 <sijis> gsieranski: do you mean something like this: http://sijis.fedorapeople.org/get-fedora.html
18:22:02 <sijis> where its a copy of a page you modified?
18:22:33 <gsieranski> yea, as long as I can modify the content that should work
18:22:56 <sijis> typically, what i do is copy the page itself.. using FF and choosing "complete web page"
18:23:03 <sijis> which gets images and everything else
18:23:21 <sijis> then i modify it locall and copy the files onto fedorapeople.org
18:23:38 <gsieranski> sijis: cool thanks
18:24:06 <sijis> especially if you are just showing a mockup or idea, that tends to work for me.
18:24:37 * sijis steps out for food...
19:06:29 <mmcgrath> sijis: so what have you two been thinking?
19:08:09 <tmz> mmcgrath: I think the idea was to use a simple sponsors.js that we could template and have do the right thing on each host.
19:08:52 <tmz> In the fedora-web repo, we can have a default sponsors.js that shows no sponso info (or shows something generic), so that it still works in local checkouts for testing.
19:09:04 <tmz> puppet will just overwrite that when deployed.
19:09:18 <tmz> That sound reasonable?
19:09:46 <mmcgrath> tmz: sounds good to me, will that file get overwritten with every web sync or will it be smart enough to know not to overwrite what puppet has changed?
19:10:49 <tmz> Hmm.  I suppose we'd want to generate the default one as part of the build process, so that we could only do so when it didn't exist.
19:11:17 <tmz> Though this might be a place where my knowledge of how things all go together is insufficient
19:11:56 <tmz> The site gets built on puppet1 and then pushed from there, doesn't it?
19:13:10 <sijis> yes
19:13:27 <sijis> well.. its built through a cron job, that's defined in puppet
19:15:35 <tmz> We can special case that in the sync script I imagine.  But that starts to get fugly.
19:22:15 <tmz> I think mmcgrath's idea of using an apache alias seems less error prone.  (It's as if he's been doing this for a while. ;)