17:00:40 <ricky> #startmeeting Fedora Websites
17:00:41 <fedbot> Meeting started Fri Aug  7 17:00:41 2009 UTC.  The chair is ricky. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:00:49 <ricky> #topic Who's here?
17:01:14 <FergatROn> has the meeting started?
17:01:15 * sijis is here.
17:01:21 <ricky> It just did :-)
17:01:34 <FergatROn> awesome! I had to jump through some hoops to get here. :D
17:01:42 <ricky> Hehe, nice :-)
17:02:04 <sijis> welcome. :)
17:02:07 <ricky> mizmo, nb, onekopaka_away, ianweller, any other interested parties: ping
17:02:13 <FergatROn> thanks sijis
17:02:18 * nb 
17:02:23 * ianweller halfway
17:02:37 * nb halfway also
17:02:51 <FergatROn> Is there an agenda, ricky or is it all in your head? :D
17:02:56 * hiemanshu_phone is here
17:02:58 * ricky doesn't have very much for this meeting unfortunately :-(
17:03:10 * ricky is half-looking at the FESCo meeting too
17:03:15 <ricky> #topic Tasks
17:03:17 <nb> yeah, i need to get moving on blogs stuff
17:03:52 <FergatROn> what's the FESCo meeting?
17:03:52 <hiemanshu_phone> me is back frome hospital so i can help
17:04:06 <sijis> nb: i'm trying to setup blogs-test on pt15, so we can have something to test the ssl piece on.
17:04:07 <ricky> hiemanshu_phone: Hope you're feeling better
17:04:31 <hiemanshu_phone> ricky not that well when u have one hand to use :(
17:04:37 * nb would prefer to set up ssl on value1/2, but i know infra does not want to do that
17:04:50 <mizmo> ricky: pong
17:04:51 * FergatROn brb - changing clients
17:04:55 <ricky> On the bright side, you'll learn to type really fast one-handed :-)
17:04:57 * nb wonders why we do not want to do that?
17:05:10 <ricky> First, we don't want to deal with separate certs on the app servers
17:05:16 <nb> true
17:05:25 <hiemanshu_phone> ricky yeah :)
17:05:45 * ricky is done with FESCo stuff - just had to say one line there :-)
17:06:26 <ricky> OK, so sijis is working on getting a test instance setup on publictest15/16 to see what changes would be needed to run this properly
17:06:29 <FergatROn> [ot] amazing how I searched and searched for a web irc client and freenode had one available. /facepalm
17:06:38 <ricky> Hehe
17:06:48 <sijis> haha.
17:06:52 <FergatROn> some pretty sketchy sites out there with irc clients available
17:07:05 <hiemanshu_phone> yeah m using the webclient too :)
17:07:22 <ricky> OK, so any other updates on this for now?
17:07:27 <sijis> hiemanshu_phone: if you have a smart phone, you can get putty or an irc client.
17:07:42 <sijis> ricky: nope. just trying to set that test site up.
17:07:47 <ricky> Thanks for working on that
17:07:53 <hiemanshu_phone> sijis i do have both, but phirc is pretty buggy :(
17:08:04 <FergatROn> ricky: sorry, i haven't been here,but what's the test site?
17:08:13 <ricky> http://blogs-test.fedoraproject.org/wp/
17:08:26 <ricky> The goal is to the login to require https
17:08:35 <ricky> Normally a trivial task, but not so thanks to wordpress :-)
17:09:01 <hiemanshu_phone> fergatron new here? Seeing you for the first time :)
17:09:05 <ricky> (it's a little more complex than that - we're putting a reverse proxy in front of it, which is what's making this tough)
17:09:19 <FergatROn> yup, hiemanshu_phone - I've been to one other meeting a couple months back
17:09:55 <sijis> related... anyone get a hold of bretm (wp package owner)?
17:09:57 <FergatROn> You guys have probably talked about this already, but what about those hosting their own blogs - will planet.fedoraproject.org pick this up too or do they have to blog on both platforms?
17:10:10 <hiemanshu_phone> sijis i did
17:10:17 <ricky> FergatROn: Planet is just an aggregator in front of blog services like blogs.fp.o
17:10:32 <ricky> So people will follow the same procedures for getting those blogs on planet
17:10:46 <FergatROn> ok ricky
17:11:17 <FergatROn> can I log into the test server now?
17:11:23 <FergatROn> I wouldn't mind testing.
17:11:25 <ricky> Not with your FAS info!  :-)
17:11:30 <ricky> It's running against a test FAS now
17:11:39 <ricky> (http://publictest3.fedoraproject.org/accounts/)
17:11:47 <ricky> You can make a fake account there and login, or admin/admin works if you need it
17:11:56 <sijis> its actually not authenticating, which is what i have to fix.
17:12:13 <ricky> Oh, then you'll have to wait for that first :-)
17:12:37 <sijis> i kept getting a 'enable cookies' error.
17:12:42 <ricky> There's also an instance on production machines (but not actually ready yet due to the https issue): blogs.fedoraproject.org
17:12:47 <ricky> Don't login there with your FAS info without https
17:13:17 <FergatROn> gottcha
17:13:31 <ricky> OK, so any more questions on that?
17:13:45 <hiemanshu_phone> nope
17:13:55 <ricky> OK then.
17:13:58 <ricky> #topic Alpha release
17:14:26 <ricky> For those of you in the web group, we're going to have some routine changes to make for the alpha release
17:14:44 <hiemanshu_phone> bring it on :)
17:14:48 <FergatROn> haha
17:14:51 <ricky> Normally I do those every release, but I want to make sure that other people know how/what to do for a release too :-)
17:15:12 <hiemanshu_phone> ricky m here to help :)
17:15:16 <ricky> Excellent :-)
17:15:28 <ricky> So here's the release schedule for F12: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule
17:15:32 * sijis is available too.
17:15:36 <hiemanshu_phone> cant game one hand :„
17:15:42 <FergatROn> ditto - I've love to do some of that "routine" stuff too.
17:15:43 <hiemanshu_phone> :(
17:15:59 <ricky> For the alpha/beta release, what we do is make a get-prerelease page
17:16:17 <ricky> Which pretty much looks like get-fedora-all except with links to the alpha or beta.
17:16:32 <ricky> That usually gets linked from the get-fedora page, plus a banner from the design team
17:16:36 <hiemanshu_phone> ricky my fav page :)
17:16:41 <ricky> Hehe
17:16:58 <ricky> So the alpha release is coming up in a week or so, and that stuff will start to come in
17:17:29 <ricky> We've already gotten some emails from Paulo with some initial release banner
17:17:33 <ricky> **banners
17:17:40 <hiemanshu_phone> ricky i should be able to use my comp from moday
17:17:52 <ricky> So in a few days we'll start working on getting that stuff up and ready
17:17:55 <hiemanshu_phone> monday **
17:18:19 <ricky> Cool, I'll make sure to ping you guys some time next week then :-)
17:18:23 * hiemanshu_phone saw the banners
17:18:53 * nb can help
17:18:58 <ricky> OK, so that's all I have on that for now, with more updates to come once we get started with that
17:19:04 <hiemanshu_phone> ricky any time :) Slow but steady will be my new style :D
17:19:12 <ricky> Cool
17:19:26 <ricky> #topic spins/get-fedora redesign
17:19:38 <ricky> mizmo: ping - do you still have those mockup links handy?
17:19:56 <ricky> So a week has gone by with discussion on fedora-advisory-board
17:20:17 <ricky> mizmo: Are you satisfied with the requirements that have come out of that so far?
17:20:29 <sijis> here's the link: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/fedora-v4_front.png
17:20:32 <ricky> Thanks
17:20:33 <mizmo> ricky: i haven't actually followed them yet
17:20:52 <ricky> Ah, OK.  There hasn't been all that much to be honest :-/  The thread kind of dried out
17:21:26 * nb likes
17:22:06 <ricky> mizmo: I was wondering what your thoughts are for how much of this would can go in the F12 website
17:22:38 <ricky> s/would //
17:22:41 <hiemanshu_phone> mizmo your mockups were totally off what i expected
17:23:11 <hiemanshu_phone> off from*
17:23:21 <ricky> Can you elaborate?
17:23:48 <hiemanshu_phone> we wanted to make it easy and clear
17:24:14 <FergatROn> [inturpting] excuse me for the slowness. This is a mock up of what you want the get-fedora page to be?
17:24:19 <hiemanshu_phone> mizmo's mockup elobrates one thing, not what i think is very good
17:24:57 <ricky> I don't think that was a get-fedora mockup - it looked more like a front page to me :-)
17:25:05 <ricky> Oh, I could be mistaken
17:25:07 <hiemanshu_phone> we want everything in a clear cut way
17:25:15 <sijis> it was just the front page
17:25:27 <ianweller> v4_front is the front page
17:25:30 <FergatROn> oh ok, so this is the new fedoraproject.org home page.
17:25:31 <hiemanshu_phone> it was get-fedora page iirc
17:25:32 <sijis> let me find the other link.
17:25:40 <ianweller> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/fedora-v4_getfedora.png
17:25:53 <ianweller> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/fedora-v4_downloadsplash.png
17:26:02 <ricky> Then again, as a front page, I might also want something that emphasizes the Fedora *Project* a little more in addition to the Fedora Linux distro
17:26:20 <ianweller> herlo-moonwalk.ogg on the front page in a <video> tag
17:26:21 * ianweller ducks
17:26:44 <FergatROn> haha, good move.
17:26:54 <ricky> Anyway, one thing the board made pretty clear is that spins.fp.o is kind of a requirement for get.fedoraproject.org
17:27:06 <ricky> So that should probably be our priority going for F12
17:27:13 <nb> so on getfedora we aren't putting a link to the DVD on the first page?\
17:27:28 <ricky> Then we'd need to make the modification to get-fedora/fp.o to account for that
17:28:15 <ricky> I wish I could have a better estimate of how much we can get done by then.  A full scale redesign could be completely realistic, or it could be overreaching, I have no idea
17:28:50 <sijis> we could do 'parts'.. like do get.fp.o and then the home page a bit later.
17:29:10 <hiemanshu_> we can go one by one
17:29:11 <ricky> Yeah - I think a good approach is to split this up into chunks and just do as many chunks as we can :-)
17:29:15 <hiemanshu_> first get.fp.o
17:29:32 <ricky> Er, it'd have to be spins first based on what the board has said
17:29:38 <hiemanshu_> i think we decided on a list
17:29:39 <ricky> Then get-fedora
17:29:51 <FergatROn> I work for Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and that's how they do redesigns. 1st level, 2nd level, 3rd level pages, etc.
17:30:11 <ricky> Ah, cool
17:30:18 <ricky> So they start from 3rd up, or is it the reverse?
17:30:22 * hiemanshu_ agrees
17:30:28 <FergatROn> reverse ricky
17:30:44 <ricky> Here's the board's statement on spins.fp.o: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-August/msg00020.html
17:30:47 <FergatROn> They make sure 1 tier pages are converted, then 2nd, 3rd, etc
17:30:51 <ricky> Ah
17:31:11 <sijis> FergatROn: so, you'd do homepage, then 2nd tier landing page, then the details pages, for example?
17:31:28 <FergatROn> sijis: correct
17:31:47 <ricky> In this case our priorities probably start from get-fedora, since that's the main thing the board is commissioning
17:31:48 <FergatROn> they do TONS of user testing that this method seems to work well.
17:31:59 <ricky> And that now depends on spins.fp.o as well
17:33:29 <ricky> Oh hey mchua
17:34:02 <FergatROn> hiya mchua
17:34:07 * ricky hopes the laptop issues are going well :-/
17:34:13 * mchua waves from NYC, disoriented from travel + laptop-FAIL
17:34:32 <FergatROn> This spins.fp.o page is totally new to me.
17:34:39 * ricky waves right next door from NJ :-)
17:34:40 * hiemanshu_ waves at mchua
17:35:04 <ricky> FergatROn: yeah, it was discussed a loooong time ago, but maybe some of the requirements were a bit too ambitious, so it never really got off the ground
17:35:08 <FergatROn> it looks like a data set. How can you make that more attractive? :D
17:35:12 <ricky> mizmo made some great mockups for it though
17:35:19 <mchua> can someone throw me a backchannel/link-to-logs?
17:35:33 <ricky> The goal is to have separate pages for each spin, which the spin creators can edit themselves
17:35:58 <sijis> looking at the list, i think this is the latest mockup for spins: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Projects/Fedora%20Spins/Wireframes/spinsmock5.png
17:36:13 <ricky> mchua: http://ricky.fedorapeople.org/2009-08-07.log
17:36:37 <ricky> sijis: Looks like it, thanks
17:36:48 <mchua> thanks, ricky
17:37:01 <ricky> mizmo: Do you think we need many modifications to that given the new requirements for spins.fp.o?
17:37:08 <FergatROn> hey ricky - why is it that the Websites/Meeting page doesn't have the log from each meeting?
17:37:30 <ricky> Umm...  that's really bad wiki maintenance on my part :-)
17:37:37 <hiemanshu_> wrong question at this time :P
17:37:39 * ricky has been relying on the mailing list more for meeting logs :-)
17:38:01 <ricky> FergatROn: Mind adding a notice there that meeting logs are now sent to list?
17:38:32 <FergatROn> sure
17:38:54 <ricky> Or alternatively, http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/, although that may change if our time changes and we move to fedora-meeting
17:38:57 * mchua is caught up now - listening in, in case Marketing can jump in and help on anything (Fedora Insight being our big websites-related project coming through the pipeline.)
17:39:07 * mchua sits back.
17:39:08 <ricky> Cool, how is that going?
17:39:17 <ricky> Will it become the testing ground for zikula?
17:39:49 <mchua> ricky: that's the plan - I can fill you folks in now, if you want, but figured you'd want to wrap up the various *.fp.o convos first
17:40:02 <ricky> OK
17:40:38 <ricky> So mizmo doesn't seem to be around at the moment, so I'll ping her later and try to get a summary of what needs to happen sent to list
17:41:04 <ricky> (In terms of where the mockups are and refining those/starting HTML/CSS)
17:41:22 <ricky> She's been really busy with release artwork and other stuff though so I don't want to dump too much on her :-/
17:41:43 <ricky> OK, so anything else on this topic for now?
17:42:03 <sijis> i guess we are waiting on updated mockups based on the new reqs?
17:42:07 <hiemanshu_> nope
17:42:19 <sijis> and the moving forward with spins first?
17:42:34 <ricky> Looks like it - feel free to comment/make your own though - mizmo is really good about making all her SVGs available :-)
17:42:40 <mchua> a huge +1 and THANK YOU to everyone working on the *.fp.o redesigns, btw - it's great to see this finally moving forward.
17:43:03 <ricky> From what I see, the front page mockup for spins looks perfectly fine
17:43:27 <ricky> What we'd need is some way to have a directory of spins with something like a blurb, download URL, and maybe some other info
17:43:39 <ricky> For now - I have one task:
17:43:52 <ricky> #task Talk to current spins owners and find out what info they'd want to be available on a spin page
17:44:18 * ricky isn't sure what the best way to contact all spins people is
17:44:38 <ricky> kanarip in #fedora-{devel,admin} might be a good person to ask though
17:44:48 <ricky> So anybody want to take that?  :-)
17:45:18 <ricky> There are a bunch of approaches we can take here
17:45:19 <hiemanshu_> if we have enough time i can do it
17:45:37 <ricky> We can give them an entire directory to put whatever website stuff they want, although that could lead to inconsistency
17:45:49 <ricky> Or we could give a template where they could fill in the essentials
17:45:50 <FergatROn> meeting log note added ricky
17:45:57 <ricky> Thanks, FergatROn!
17:46:03 <sijis> i was thinking.. show them the 'current mockup' and saw, fill these 'fields' in.
17:46:14 <sijis> s/saw/say
17:46:30 <ricky> Oh yeah, there is a bunch of useful stuff in http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Projects/Fedora%20Spins/Wireframes/ if you guys want to look around by the way
17:46:45 <hiemanshu_> an email to list with details would be better
17:46:58 <ricky> Sure thing
17:47:07 * ricky will mention this in the "what needs to happen" email
17:47:28 <ricky> OK then, onto the next topic
17:47:34 <ricky> #topic Fedora Insight (Marketing)
17:47:48 <ricky> mchua: Can you give us an overview of what's going on with that?
17:48:09 <mchua> Yup. Actually, I have a picture for y'all...
17:48:16 <mchua> http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/fi-whiteboard.jpg
17:48:18 <mchua> fresh off the whiteboard
17:48:26 <FergatROn> [another question] Am I allowed to put a copy of the meeting log on the wiki?
17:48:47 <mchua> some backstory, for those new to the FI idea, is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight
17:48:52 <ricky> FergatROn: If you'd like, sure!
17:49:20 * hiemanshu_ will look when he can get to a computer
17:49:37 <mchua> basically, Fedora Insight (FI) is a stream of public-facing media - things we already make, like feature profiles, contributor interviews, nifty-looking banners, etc.
17:49:51 <mchua> it just collects all those things in one place instead of on various blogs and people's fp.o accounts
17:50:02 <mchua> it's going to be based on zikula
17:50:03 <FergatROn> convienent! ;)
17:50:20 <mchua> and since it's a smaller, faster, lower-risk thing to put up than the (gigantic-in-scope) docs.fp.o migration
17:50:24 <ricky> mchua: Something I've been wondering about something like this - which do you think is a better approach, having articles written in English and translated to other languages, or having separate languages setup their own feeds/news written in that language?
17:50:33 <mchua> I'm angling to use it as a testbed for zikula, so we can make all our mistakes on FI instead of docs. ;)
17:50:44 <mchua> ricky: A combination of both, actually.
17:50:47 <ricky> The second could be a less painful (and more fun!) way to handle the l10n thing stuff :-)
17:50:51 <mchua> let me explain with an example...
17:51:06 <mchua> have any of you seen http://globalvoicesonline.org/ ?
17:51:25 <hiemanshu_> naah
17:51:30 <sijis> nope.
17:51:38 <mchua> well, then click there and change that. :)
17:51:46 <mchua> it's a news site - you'll see the english-facing page if you go to that link - but its made to spread news from different languages *to* different languages.
17:52:07 <hiemanshu_> mchua not on a cell phone, i ll be logged off then :(
17:52:16 <mchua> hiemanshu_: ahh, I'll try to describe then
17:52:18 <mchua> it looks like a news blog
17:52:34 <mchua> but if you click on an article, you'll see (at the top) other languages that article is available in
17:52:48 <mchua> if you click there, you'll go to the otherlanguage.globalvoicesonline.org site - which is also a blog - with that translation
17:53:00 <ricky> That's pretty impressive
17:53:13 <mchua> they have a workflow that makes it easy for $randomperson to see an article they like, translate it, and then have it show up in the appropriate language's feed
17:53:24 <mchua> so mono-lingual contributors push stories in their language to their feed
17:53:35 <sijis> so does it translate *all* articles or most of them?
17:53:42 <mchua> and multi-lingual contributors watch the feeds of languages they're interested in, and translate what they find fascinating.
17:54:07 <mchua> sijis: Most of them. They don't *mandate* translation of any articles, but they make it *extremely* easy to translate an article if you know the appropriate languages.
17:54:26 <hiemanshu_> i think a compjter translation and then a person with that native lang making it better is a nice thing to do
17:54:46 * ricky is really afraid of computer translations in their current state
17:54:46 <mchua> hiemanshu_: Yep, the translation workflow is definitely a high priority
17:54:57 <mchua> but websites-wise, the gameplan is
17:55:13 <mchua> marketing is coordinating with news + docs to make the content workflow happen, so there are no worries there
17:55:23 <mchua> we're just starting to figure out the infrastructure part
17:55:27 <ricky> Schedule-wise, what is this looking at?
17:55:29 <mchua> ianweller is tech lead for FI
17:55:41 <mchua> ricky: that's on the left side of the image
17:55:42 * ianweller looks up
17:55:51 <ianweller> oh god my printer just ate paper
17:56:07 <mchua> target is to have a first solid release out and running by F12 beta
17:56:08 <ricky> OK, keep in mind that there will be an Infrastructure freeze from 2 weeks prior to release day until 1 day after release
17:56:11 <mchua> usable by Ambassadors
17:56:13 * mchua nods
17:56:31 <mchua> ricky: yeah, I figured "launch by beta!" would give us plenty of time for infra freeze
17:56:33 <ricky> Cool, so running at that point = running in production with the configs pretty stable
17:56:38 <mchua> ricky: exactly
17:56:42 <ricky> Yup, that's generally the best idea :-)
17:56:47 <ricky> Although note that we do have freezes for those too
17:56:53 <mchua> ricky: the content workflow may be tweaked after that but that's not an infra change, that's a people-processes change
17:56:53 <ricky> Much more permissive ones though
17:57:00 <ricky> Yup
17:57:02 <mchua> ricky: ahh - when are those freezes?
17:57:12 <ricky> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Infrastructure_SOP#Change_Freeze
17:57:17 <mchua> ricky: thanks!
17:57:27 <mchua> ricky: the coordination I see this needing with websites is as follows
17:57:37 <ricky> I'm not sure how this is changing with the way that the preview releases changed this relesae.
17:57:47 <ricky> There used to be one around preview release, but that's now called the beta, right?
17:58:01 <ricky> So we might use the beta as the time to do everything like it's the final release
17:58:09 <mchua> ricky: (1) infrastructure - the big open question in my mind (but on ianweller's plate, once the two of us catch up) is how to fold this nicely into the stuff that gets maintained, and who maintains it infrastructure-wise in terms of keeping the site up, stable, etc.
17:58:28 <ricky> Actually, what I'm saying might be totally irrelevant
17:58:29 <mchua> ricky: ah yes. that sounds like what I've heard about the preview release going away too.
17:58:34 * FergatROn I gotta run - get back to work.
17:58:45 <ricky> If this is going to be considered a value-added service, it'll likely be on a server that's not covered by the freeze
17:58:46 <ianweller> FergatROn: see ya
17:58:57 <mchua> ricky: (2) websites + design - making sure the look and feel fits into what the rest of fedora's websites are doing
17:59:04 <ianweller> ricky: define 'value-added' :)
17:59:31 <mchua> ricky: (3) websites + marketing - being taken care of, mostly a content question in my mind; we've got it down, so this is not a worry.
17:59:41 <ricky> It mean not in our critical path - stuff that needs to happen to make Fedora
17:59:51 <ricky> .tiny http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-infrastructure.git?p=fedora-infrastructure.git;a=blob_plain;f=architecture/Environments.odg;hb=HEAD
17:59:58 <mchua> ricky: yeah, this is very much a value-added.
18:00:08 <ricky> OK, so ignore everything I said then, sorry :-)
18:00:14 <mchua> ricky: so the big question is FI from a websites + infrastructure standpoint.
18:00:33 <mchua> how that would work out. what needs to happen to make getting the site up and keeping it up all solid.
18:01:27 <mchua> and that's ianweller being tech lead, so I'm confident it's going to work fantastically. :)
18:01:35 <ricky> Cool
18:01:38 <ianweller> woo confidence
18:01:46 <ricky> OK, so we're a bit over time, but there's one last thing I want to bring up
18:02:03 <ricky> #topic Minor websites change - legal disclaimer on get-fedora
18:02:06 <mchua> ianweller: we should sync up on FI at some point, btw - I want to make sure you're all set... I don't think I've given you everything you need to run forth with this yet, and need to fix that asap.
18:02:10 <mchua> ianweller: but that's outside this meeting.
18:02:18 <ianweller> noted.
18:02:24 <ianweller> mchua: let's do it before next wednesday.
18:02:25 * mchua gets quiet, listens to legal stuffs
18:02:32 <mchua> ianweller: --> pm
18:02:40 <ricky> Unfortunately, legal wants us to put an enormous export notice on get-fedora :-(
18:02:58 <ricky> So this should be considered a pretty high priority thing to get done.
18:03:13 <ricky> The main concern right now is how to make it not hideous
18:03:35 <ricky> What they want is something like what's at the bottom of http://www.jboss.org/projects
18:03:43 <sijis> do you have an example of what they'd like?
18:04:25 <ricky> sijis: Just the jboss disclaimer
18:04:31 <sijis> yeah, i see.
18:04:42 * hiemanshu_phone would love to help, seeing that he cant work for the nest couple of montha
18:04:53 <hiemanshu_phone> months**
18:05:02 <ricky> Anyway, mockups/ideas appreciated for how to add that in a non-intrusive way
18:05:36 <sijis> does it have to be 'on' the page? how about a js type window, when you click onit.. sort of like the fas info bubbles.
18:05:43 <ricky> mizmo has been thinking about this as well, particularly ways to avoid having the big notice fill up a third of the page, but legal seems pretty adamant about it :-(
18:06:24 <ricky> So far we've asked about having it on a splash page after the download button is clicked, but that's not allowed :-/
18:06:24 <ianweller> i was afraid of that. :(
18:06:51 <ianweller> holy crapper the jboss.org site looks niiiiiiice
18:06:58 <ianweller> (sorry distracting :D)
18:07:14 <ricky> ianweller: Yeah, take a few minutes and try to find a jboss downoad link :-)
18:07:29 <hiemanshu_phone> ianweller not the first time is it? :)
18:07:48 * ricky wouldn't mind putting it in a bubble for people that have javascript enabled - we can ask if that's a possibility
18:08:06 <sijis> or a 'hidden div', wen the click, it expands.
18:08:11 <ianweller> ok i'm lost on their website
18:08:17 <ianweller> it *looks* nice. it isn't nice. ;)
18:08:25 <ricky> :-)
18:08:55 <ricky> OK, so that's all I have on the legal thing - more ideas for doing it are much appreciated, but we'll probably be adding it on in some form very soon
18:09:02 <ricky> #topic Open floor
18:09:09 <ricky> Anything else you guys want to discuss?
18:09:20 <hiemanshu_phone> nope
18:09:49 <hiemanshu_phone> ricky now that m here and no work i can help a lot :)
18:10:39 <sijis> i cannot think of anything else.
18:10:42 <ricky> Cool, thanks!
18:10:54 <ricky> hiemanshu_phone: There'll be a good amount of work around the release, so that's perfect :-)
18:10:58 <ricky> #endmeeting