17:00:24 <ricky> #startmeeting
17:00:34 <ricky> #topic Fedora Websites Meeting - Who's here?
17:00:36 * ricky 
17:01:16 * sijis is here
17:01:20 <ricky> I get the feeling that this will be a short one :-)
17:01:33 * nb 
17:01:42 <nb> hiemanshu, ping?
17:01:45 <sijis> aren't they typically short?
17:01:48 <ricky> mizmo, ianweller, nb, hiemanshu, onekopaka_away, anybody I missed: ping
17:01:59 <ricky> sijis: They tend to be either really short (<15 minutes) or really long (>1 hour)
17:02:05 <ricky> There hasn't been much in between
17:02:37 * hiemanshu is here now
17:02:55 <ianweller> hi
17:03:08 <ricky> Cool, some more people, let's move on:
17:03:16 <ricky> #topic Fedora Websites Meeting - Tasks
17:03:26 <ricky> OK, so any update on any of the tasks from previous weeks?
17:03:48 <nb> blogs is stalled pending FAS integration
17:03:49 <hiemanshu> Nope not really
17:03:54 <nb> hiemanshu, is going to look at it today i think?
17:03:57 <ricky> sijis: Thanks for the websites fixes by the way, I committed them to puppet earlier so it should be live now
17:04:17 <sijis> ricky: oh cool. :)
17:04:21 <ricky> nb: What part is stalling it?  What work needs to be done to unstall it?  :-)
17:04:32 <nb> ricky, getting the plugin to check the passwords
17:04:44 <nb> it right now just checkes for a valid username
17:04:53 <ricky> So if anybody has IE6, please test torrents.fedoraproject.org and fedorapeople.org
17:04:57 <nb> it looks like it is checking password, but in practice does not work
17:05:08 <ricky> nb: Has anybody gotten a chance to try debugging the issue on a publictest machine?
17:05:30 <nb> ricky, not sure, all i know that has been done is that nigel looked at it that night
17:05:41 <nb> and didnt figure anything out, i dont know that anyone has done much since then
17:05:42 * ricky remembers a few people being interested in doing the FAS auth testing
17:05:46 <sijis> i can assist with the password checking, if you need another set of eyes.
17:05:52 <nb> .fasinfo sijis
17:06:12 <nb> sijis, i can send you the plugin or if ricky will sponsor you to -test you can access it there
17:06:14 <ricky> sijis: It looks like we have none now, so definitely - go ahead and apply to sysadmin-test if you want to take a look
17:06:23 <ricky> nb can probably walk you through the current setup
17:06:46 <sijis> okay. i'll apply shortly.
17:06:49 <nb> wheres the test fas? pt3?
17:06:58 <nb> i need to change the fasauth plugin to use that
17:06:58 <ricky> YUp
17:07:02 <nb> so we aren't using production info
17:07:14 <ricky> Yeah, that needs to be done ASAP
17:07:36 <ricky> OK, anything else on blogs.fp.o?
17:07:46 <nb> ricky, not really, otherwise i think we are ready to deploy
17:07:47 <sijis> i know the wiki has a module for the fas authentication. i took a look at that a while back to have an idea how it worked.
17:07:58 <ricky> I did also send an email to somebody at Red Hat that might have experience with wordpress mu auth.  I haven't gotten any response on that yet.
17:08:18 <nb> need to get a database created and get the database imported into there, or create a new one, import would be best because theres some annoying settings
17:08:18 <ricky> sijis: That's supposedly what the current one is based on, but it looks like it's just not working.
17:08:34 <ricky> So what *does* the current pugin do yet?
17:08:38 <ricky> nb: we can import, sure.
17:08:54 <ricky> Does it check that the username is in CLA + 1 non-CLA group?
17:08:56 <nb> ricky, it checks to see that the username that is provided is a member of cla_done and i think one other group
17:08:58 <nb> i know cla_done
17:09:02 <ricky> OK.
17:09:09 <nb> and then it adds them a wpmu account to use
17:09:14 <ricky> Make sure the other group is non-CLA (it can't start with 'cla_')
17:09:16 <nb> they can then go to signup after they are logged in
17:09:19 <ricky> That's one point where it's different from the wiki.
17:09:22 <nb> if they want a blog
17:09:36 <hiemanshu> ricky, it checks if that person has an fp.o email ID
17:09:56 <ricky> How does it check that?
17:09:57 <hiemanshu> and uses that email ID for verification
17:10:14 <ricky> I'd rather not even make an entry in the db without the proper FAS credentials, but if that's not feasible, then that's fine too.
17:10:39 <nb> hiemanshu, it checks if they have a fas account
17:10:39 <ricky> OK
17:10:43 <nb> and if they are a member of cla_done
17:10:47 <nb> and i think one other non-cla
17:10:47 <ricky> One other action that I remember mentioning is spam
17:10:53 <hiemanshu> ricky, what it does now is check if an ID exists, if that exists it send an email to <name>@fp.o
17:10:59 <ricky> It'd be good if somebody could ask the GNOME folks about if they've had a spam problem or anything like that.
17:11:07 <nb> ricky, we can disable non-logged in comments if we need
17:11:19 <ricky> hiemanshu: Can it check if an ID exists+has CLA+1 non-CLA group, *then* send the email?
17:11:28 <ricky> nb: That would cut the value of the service a good bit though :-(
17:11:33 <nb> true
17:11:37 <ricky> It'd probably stop me from using it, even.
17:11:47 <hiemanshu> ricky, they will get an email only if they are member of it one non CLA group as well
17:11:48 * nb not sure if it actually cares about sending an email with the plugin
17:11:52 <nb> hiemanshu, ?
17:11:58 <sijis> can someone give me an examples of a non-cla group?
17:12:06 <nb> sijis, anything that doesnt start with cla_*
17:12:08 <ricky> sijis: sysadmin-test is one :-)
17:12:22 <hiemanshu> to get an fp.o email ID you need to have one cla_done and one non CLA group
17:12:24 <nb> i.e. not cla_done, cla_fedora, cla_redhat
17:12:27 <nb> hiemanshu, i know
17:12:37 <nb> but it checks that directly, i didnt think it actually sent an email with the plugin
17:12:39 <hiemanshu> nb, so that solves what we need
17:12:40 <ricky> OK, so sijis is in sysadmin-test now to work on the auth plugin now
17:12:43 <sijis> btw, i just applied to the group
17:12:57 <ricky> sijis: We can talk with nb after the meeting to get you setup and working on it if you have some time
17:13:12 <nb> sijis, /usr/share/wordpress-mu/wp-content/mu-plugins/fasauth.php should be it
17:13:23 <nb> and it lives at http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp
17:13:24 <sijis> ok, after meeting should be ok.
17:13:30 <nb> yeah, i'll stop taking up meeting time :)
17:13:40 <ricky> nb: I forget, are we packaging that or including that file with puppet?
17:13:50 <ricky> And that file is 100% clean WRT licenses, right?
17:13:53 <nb> ricky, neither ATM
17:13:55 <nb> ricky, yeah
17:14:02 <nb> ricky, probably puppet, although i could package it
17:14:07 <nb> ricky, your preference?
17:14:08 <ricky> OK, if it's going to be a package, then it wouldn't hurt to have the spec ready
17:14:13 <ricky> That's if it'd be generally useful
17:14:21 <ricky> Our wiki auth is currently not a package, for what that's worth
17:14:25 * nb doesnt think it would since it is specific to fedora?
17:14:31 <ricky> But I have no preference, whatever you think
17:14:41 <nb> ricky, basically s/wordpress-mu-plugin-defaults/wordpress-mu-plugin-fasauth/
17:14:47 <nb> would work i think
17:14:52 <nb> and change %files
17:14:57 * nb isnt too worried about a spec
17:15:08 <ricky> Hehe, yeah, it'd be easy to do either.
17:15:20 <hiemanshu> I think puppet is better though
17:15:24 <ricky> OK, so I guess that's all for blog.fp.o today.
17:15:57 <ricky> sijis can hopefully work on getting the plugin working, then we can do some testing with auth to see that it works everywhere it needs to
17:16:03 <nb> yeah
17:16:09 <sijis> about packing.. if fas is a package and so is wpmu, why not package the auth-pluin?
17:16:16 <ricky> Oh, the one other thing - anybody interested in talking to GNOME folks about their blogs setup?
17:16:24 <ricky> I'm specifically interested in the issue of spam :-/
17:16:31 <nb> sijis, im not opposed, id do it if that is the consensus
17:16:38 <nb> sijis, fwiw, it would be easier to update if it was not
17:16:48 <nb> but i dont see us needing to change it
17:16:49 <ricky> sijis it's a good question, I don't think we have a policy on what should be packaged vs. not at the moment
17:16:51 <sijis> nb agreed. playing devil's advocate really.
17:16:59 <nb> yeah
17:17:04 <ricky> I personally prefer packages whenever possible, because development should not be taking place in our puppet repo
17:17:27 <ricky> And having separate copies in the fedora-infrastructure.git repo and puppet just feels wrong (and allows them to get out of sync)_
17:17:34 <sijis> we could also 'reproduce' the environment if it was packaged easier.
17:17:54 <nb> true
17:17:57 <ricky> That'd be the case if it were in puppet too, but the points above still apply
17:18:39 * hiemanshu is sorry about not being here completely
17:18:41 <sijis> understood.
17:19:00 <ricky> I just pinged otaylor on #fedora-admin
17:19:08 <ricky> He's involved with some GNOME stuff and might be able to direct us to a good contact
17:20:40 <ricky> Ah, looks like things are iffy there at the moment, the guy that set it up isn't available at the moment
17:21:23 <sijis> that set what up?
17:21:49 <ricky> Sorry, the person that setup blogs.gnome.org
17:22:08 <ricky> Which looks very similar to what we'd like to do with blogs.fp.o
17:22:12 <ricky> They use wordpress mu as well
17:23:04 <ricky> OK, so the one other update about tasks in general is that sijis and I have been talking to docs about the possibility of getting some sort of knowledge baes software or something for docs.fp.o
17:23:41 <ricky> sijis started a thread at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00092.html, and I sent a reply as well
17:24:21 <ricky> So hopefully this will get considered in the zikula work that they're doing now - the main question for me right now is what belongs on the wiki vs. the knowledge base software?
17:24:39 <ricky> quaid has posted some thoughtful responses to that, which is great
17:25:01 <sijis> i think they are leaning towards the wiki
17:25:07 <ricky> So that'll be a good conversation to keep up with about improving the "getting help" experience for new people
17:25:37 <ricky> sijis: Yeah, the impression I've gotten so far is that the knowledge base might contain shorter articles or snippets that link to fuller tutorials/howtos on the wiki
17:25:49 <mizmo> hi im here now (sorry)
17:25:56 <ricky> Hey hey
17:26:15 <ricky> We were just talking about some of the latest discussion we've had with the docs team about improving that
17:26:54 <sijis> ricky: yes, that's correct. however, i my impression was also that the kb stuff would be in the wiki too.
17:27:05 <ricky> sijis recently posted about what their thoughts on having a knowlege base type thing are, and I replied with some of my thoughts about what the experience is like for for somebody looking for help
17:28:00 <ricky> sijis: For what it's worth ianweller mentioned to me that there's already a howto category on the wiki
17:28:25 <ricky> Maybe we can work out some subcategories that it would be nice to have for our docs?
17:28:45 <sijis> yeah, good idea.
17:29:03 <ricky> OK, so the next task I see coming out of this is: Ask people in #fedora-ops what kind of docs would be helpful
17:29:22 <sijis> i can't say that i've used the wiki a whole lot. i've just fixed a few typos/formatting things.
17:29:31 <ricky> What common mistakes to new Fedora users make that we could write up some best practices for?
17:29:47 <ricky> sijis: ianweller is our wiki czar, so he's a good resource for any wiki questions you might have
17:30:07 <sijis> folks in #fedora might have some stuff too. nirik seemed to have run that fig.
17:30:27 <ricky> Yeah, he's one of the people in #fedora-ops too
17:30:35 <sijis> oh, okay
17:30:48 <sijis> fedora-ops is a group i haven't heard of yet.
17:31:03 <ricky> sijis: It's the channel where #fedora operators hang out
17:31:15 <ricky> Let me just get a quick dump of actions so far here:
17:31:23 <ricky> #action Get FAS Auth plugin working
17:31:32 <ricky> #action Talk to GNOME people about their blogs setup (issues with spam?)
17:31:50 <ricky> #action Talk to people in #fedora/#fedora-ops about what kind of docs could be useful to have
17:32:12 <ricky> OK, so any other thoughts on docs.fedoraproject.org right now?
17:33:10 <ricky> OK, so the last task update I have is get.fedoraproject.org feedback
17:34:09 <ricky> mizmo: Mark has been wondering how to move forward with that last round of websites feedback - any ideas?
17:34:25 * ricky remembers that mizmo might have been working on some mockups incorporating some of that
17:35:42 <mizmo> ricky: yeh i still have the get.fpo one in progress, since fudcon berlin ive been working on a backlog of stuff from that week :(
17:35:53 <mizmo> ricky: ill upload it to the wiki and post the link
17:35:57 <ricky> No worries, no rush at all
17:36:09 <ricky> Thanks a lot
17:36:14 <mizmo> the feedback is good, the next steps are in my court
17:36:16 <mizmo> to apply to the mocks
17:36:34 <sijis> wasn't some feedback also provided for fp.o?
17:36:34 <ricky> Awesome, we look forward to seeing what you come up with :-)
17:36:41 <ricky> Yeah
17:37:00 <ricky> I'm not sure if mizmo intends on working both at the same time or looking at one set of things first
17:37:05 <nb> sijis, actually the group is irc-support-operators or something
17:37:20 <sijis> so two feedbacks went out.. fp.o and get.fp.o?
17:37:20 <mizmo> i want to get get.fpo solid first
17:37:35 <ricky> Sounds good, that fits with the priorities we had discussed
17:37:36 <mizmo> i think www.fpo is a bigger kettle of fish :) we'll need involvement from other teams like marketing on that one
17:37:50 <ricky> sijis: I think they're all in the same email thread
17:38:14 <ricky> mizmo: Ohh, good point, I remember Jack pinging me about some last minute fp.o changes that I couldn't make for the F11 release
17:38:21 <ricky> So communication there is definitely key
17:38:32 <mizmo> yeh
17:39:17 <ricky> OK, so that's all I've got
17:39:21 <ricky> #topic Fedora Websites Meeting - Open Floor
17:39:21 <sijis> mizmo: so are you the design/mockups guru?
17:39:43 <mizmo> sijis: i dont know if id call myself a guru but :) mockups are primarily what i do
17:39:44 <mizmo> :)
17:40:30 <sijis> ok.
17:40:44 * ricky wishes we could get a some clones of mizmo - it'd do us wonders :-)
17:41:16 <ricky> OK, so anything else anybody else wants to discuss?
17:41:34 <ricky> Or any new people that have introduced themselves on list want to say hi?  :-)
17:42:31 <sijis> hi, I'm Sijis. i live in Chicago, USA. my $job is a sysadmin. i enjoy walks in the park.
17:42:41 <ricky> Welcome, sijis!
17:42:53 <ricky> And thanks for tracking down that (ugh) IE6 stupidity
17:42:53 <sijis> i truly enjoy working on websites. that's how i got into 'computers'.
17:43:11 <ricky> #action Confirm that IE6 issues are fixed on torrents.fedoraproject.org & fedorapeople.org
17:43:24 <ricky> Cool
17:43:45 <ricky> sijis: Are you good with PHP?  That's what the FAS auth plugin stuff will mostly be
17:44:04 <sijis> yup. i'm decent in it.
17:44:30 <ricky> Awesome, we'll get you setup with the auth plugin soon then, thanks
17:44:37 <ricky> Anything else before we close up?
17:46:38 <nb> no
17:46:41 <nb> i dont think so
17:46:44 <ricky> All right then
17:46:45 <ricky> #endmeeting