14:16:03 <KageSenshi> #startmeeting
14:16:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 10 14:16:03 2012 UTC.  The chair is KageSenshi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:16:10 <KageSenshi> #topic attendance
14:16:12 <KageSenshi> .fas izhar
14:16:12 <zodbot> KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' <kagesenshi.87@gmail.com>
14:16:14 <rebelk0de> CAN GET MESSAGE?
14:16:18 <rebelk0de> hello?
14:16:20 <TYSSeries> Ya
14:16:21 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, can
14:16:23 <meng> .fas seatux
14:16:24 <zodbot> meng: seatux 'Meng Shen' <seatux86@gmail.com>
14:16:24 <MavJS> .fas mavjs
14:16:28 <zodbot> MavJS: mavjs 'Ye Myat Kaung' <mavjs01@gmail.com>
14:16:34 <KageSenshi> lol
14:16:35 <TYSSeries> Sweat =.="
14:16:38 <MavJS> hehe
14:16:45 <TYSSeries> .fas tysseries
14:16:46 <zodbot> TYSSeries: tysseries '' <tys1992@gmail.com>
14:16:58 <MavJS> lol
14:17:10 <KageSenshi> ok .. lets go ahead to the main topic
14:17:17 <KageSenshi> #topic FUDCon bidding
14:17:22 <KageSenshi> ok
14:17:26 <KageSenshi> bid closes tomororw!!!!
14:17:27 <meng> .fas seatux
14:17:27 <zodbot> meng: seatux 'Meng Shen' <seatux86@gmail.com>
14:17:39 <KageSenshi> we are left with one more thing bus details
14:17:49 <meng> oh hai
14:17:56 <KageSenshi> but gurdip kept on disconnecting
14:17:57 <KageSenshi> XD
14:18:01 <MavJS> heh :D
14:18:11 <msian_tux_lover> Good evening KageSenshi
14:18:16 <KageSenshi> oh yeah another one
14:18:16 <meng> i face the same risks too with streamyx
14:18:24 <TYSSeries> I am using TIME
14:18:29 <KageSenshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_Bid_Malaysia
14:18:34 <msian_tux_lover> peace be upon thee meng
14:19:17 <msian_tux_lover> how can I be useful?
14:19:34 <KageSenshi> msian_tux_lover, could you fill in the contact of the vege caterer here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_Bid_Malaysia#Catering
14:20:17 <msian_tux_lover> hold on
14:20:23 * msian_tux_lover sayang rebelk0de
14:20:27 <rebelk0de> sorry got dc again
14:20:28 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, before u disconnected again .. i need the bus charter details :)
14:20:32 <rebelk0de> lol..
14:20:34 <rebelk0de> sayang?
14:20:42 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, he's bisex ..
14:20:57 <rebelk0de> ok we outsource the bus service now
14:21:09 <rebelk0de> i still didnt get the pricing
14:21:16 <rebelk0de> but what does a normal charter bus price cost
14:21:23 <rebelk0de> it should cost more than rm 150 a day right
14:21:27 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, can you get estimates?
14:21:31 <rebelk0de> yes
14:21:38 <rebelk0de> it should be around rm 150 a day per bus
14:21:39 <rebelk0de> so friday
14:21:43 <rebelk0de> we need it as such
14:21:48 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, not sure, i heard it can even be rm500
14:21:49 <rebelk0de> 1 for lrt
14:22:01 <rebelk0de> nolah... we're not going to gua musang la kage
14:22:11 <KageSenshi> haha
14:22:12 <rebelk0de> ok tell u what
14:22:24 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, get me estimates by tomorrow noon ?
14:22:25 <rebelk0de> just put there max RM 1k for the buses
14:22:34 <KageSenshi> ok
14:22:47 <rebelk0de> do u remember what we paid for foss.my?
14:23:09 <meng> that was before the diesel prices went to RM 1.80/L
14:23:12 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, free?
14:23:28 <rebelk0de> hahah...nolah we paid for the buses for that one night remember for the dinner
14:23:29 <rebelk0de> well
14:23:36 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, no idea
14:23:36 <KageSenshi> XD
14:23:39 <rebelk0de> i doubt it will come up beyond RM 1 K
14:23:46 <KageSenshi> ok
14:23:51 <rebelk0de> if beyond 1k its quite expensive
14:24:06 <rebelk0de> either way i will call u am to let u know what the pricing are
14:24:09 <rebelk0de> i will meet them AM
14:24:11 <KageSenshi> ok
14:24:18 <rebelk0de> btw... checked out prices of shirts
14:24:40 <rebelk0de> the cheapest i could get was rm 45 - so thats quite expensive :(
14:24:49 <KageSenshi> ok
14:25:11 <KageSenshi> right now its rm37 on my quote
14:25:17 <rebelk0de> the cheapest i could get was rm 45 - so thats quite expensive :(
14:25:18 <rebelk0de> <rebelk0de> the cheapest i could get was rm 45 - so thats quite expensive :(
14:25:34 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, dude .. all ur msges are received ok
14:25:42 <KageSenshi> rebelk0de, use /ping to check whether ure still connected :)
14:25:57 <rebelk0de> dude...i pressed arrow key by accident
14:25:58 <rebelk0de> lol
14:26:05 <rebelk0de> dude...i pressed arrow key by accident
14:26:08 <rebelk0de> like dat
14:26:11 <KageSenshi> ok
14:26:27 <msian_tux_lover> BTW the vegetarian lunch is approximately RM8 per meal
14:26:32 <rebelk0de> eh...but this message doesnt have the <rebelk0de> ... interesting
14:26:48 <rebelk0de> rm 8 is good
14:26:55 <KageSenshi> msian_tux_lover, lunch and tea ?
14:27:02 <KageSenshi> or lunch only ?
14:27:06 <msian_tux_lover> tea lain kira...coz need quantity
14:27:12 <KageSenshi> msian_tux_lover, 70
14:27:13 <msian_tux_lover> lunch only
14:27:15 <KageSenshi> ok
14:27:20 <KageSenshi> anyway, i put the budget as rm20
14:27:30 <msian_tux_lover> best to put vege lunch at RM12 per meal
14:27:40 <msian_tux_lover> that's cool KageSenshi
14:28:02 <msian_tux_lover> !question
14:28:07 <KageSenshi> msian_tux_lover, ?
14:28:20 <msian_tux_lover> how is the bid going in our favour? Good? Bad?
14:28:42 <MavJS> Good....! ;D
14:28:48 <KageSenshi> msian_tux_lover, we'll only know it during the board meeting :)
14:29:02 * msian_tux_lover understands
14:29:08 <KageSenshi> msian_tux_lover, bid closes tomorrow, only after that they'll evaluate and decide
14:29:16 <KageSenshi> *bid submission
14:29:44 <KageSenshi> though at the moment, looking at situation, there might be 2/3 bids including us
14:29:57 <KageSenshi> kl, beijing, manila
14:30:39 <KageSenshi> so its a 1/3 probability :P
14:30:48 <msian_tux_lover> that aint so bad
14:31:16 <KageSenshi> .ph just scrambling to write their bid a few hours ago
14:31:17 <KageSenshi> :P
14:31:29 <KageSenshi> beijing bid looks like from the last year
14:31:35 <KageSenshi> *last year's bidding
14:32:16 <meng> plus, we got more details than the Ph peeps
14:32:23 <msian_tux_lover> KageSenshi, vege tea can arrange for RM8 -10 per head
14:32:29 <KageSenshi> meng, they just started writing it
14:32:32 <KageSenshi> msian_tux_lover, ok
14:32:43 <KageSenshi> so rm20 budget sounds about right
14:32:45 <msian_tux_lover> need to give them quantity....
14:32:58 <KageSenshi> msian_tux_lover, as i said, 70
14:33:09 <KageSenshi> food only provided to sponsored attendees ..
14:33:14 * msian_tux_lover had his wedding banquet in Ahimsa
14:33:28 <msian_tux_lover> 70 is good number
14:33:48 <msian_tux_lover> once we nail it I can go and tok2 with them
14:33:56 <KageSenshi> yep
14:34:30 * KageSenshi going through the bid document
14:35:29 <KageSenshi> looking good for me
14:35:35 <KageSenshi> anything you guys think need to be fixed?
14:35:39 <KageSenshi> or added?
14:35:44 <KageSenshi> or removed?
14:38:13 <MavJS> KageSenshi: is there going to be another doc prepared when we win the bid or this is the only one we're going to use?
14:38:40 <meng> can add this: http://www.kln.gov.my/web/guest/requirement-for-foreigner
14:38:54 <meng> also has the yellow fever thing
14:39:06 <KageSenshi> dem freenode
14:39:11 <KageSenshi> [22:34] * KageSenshi going through the bid document
14:39:14 <KageSenshi> [22:35] <KageSenshi> looking good for me
14:39:16 <KageSenshi> [22:35] <KageSenshi> anything you guys think need to be fixed?
14:39:18 <KageSenshi> [22:35] <KageSenshi> or added?
14:39:20 <meng> can add this: http://www.kln.gov.my/web/guest/requirement-for-foreigner
14:39:20 <KageSenshi> [22:35] <KageSenshi> or removed?
14:39:27 <KageSenshi> meng, ah visa info
14:39:31 <KageSenshi> ok tq
14:40:00 <meng> can ask guests to check the requirements there
14:41:21 <meng> KageSenshi: take note of yellow fever also
14:41:47 <MavJS> KageSenshi: will another doc be prepared if we win the bid, for the real FUDCon?
14:43:00 <KageSenshi> MavJS, no
14:43:07 <KageSenshi> MavJS, we'll just rename that doc
14:43:08 <KageSenshi> XD
14:43:11 <KageSenshi> and update it
14:43:15 <MavJS> lol, ok
14:43:55 <msian_tux_lover> :)
14:43:59 <KageSenshi> added the visa lnk
14:44:04 <KageSenshi> what else?
14:44:43 <MavJS> KageSenshi: in the Talks/Hackfest session, we should do it like Talks & Hackfest in one table. and barcamp stuff in another?
14:45:14 <KageSenshi> MavJS, feel free to separate it, though i dont see much point for that in bidding
14:45:27 <MavJS> KageSenshi: ok. may be after we win ;)
14:45:33 <KageSenshi> yep :)
14:45:36 <KageSenshi> hurm
14:45:56 <KageSenshi> msian_tux_lover, MavJS , TYSSeries, meng anything you guys thing should be added/removed/edited ?
14:46:04 <KageSenshi> else we'll switch to next topic
14:46:13 <msian_tux_lover> goodies?
14:46:32 <MavJS> for the bus charter, we might want to contact this as well - http://www.mayflowercarrental.com.my/index.php ? if apiit one fails ;D
14:46:52 <meng> msian_tux_lover: goodies of what nature?
14:47:23 <msian_tux_lover> dunno meng - that was why I asked
14:47:45 <KageSenshi> hurm
14:47:46 <meng> wah, rent Estima for everybody = expensive
14:48:03 <KageSenshi> hey you guys think we can get large banner cheaper elsewhere?
14:48:08 <KageSenshi> or should i just drop that
14:48:28 <KageSenshi> 2600 for a single use banner i think is overkill, and i think that dude quoted me high quality banner
14:48:29 <KageSenshi> XD
14:48:56 <meng> then use child labour for it?
14:49:25 <meng> or else just ask someone for some ink and time with an A0 plotter
14:49:55 <MavJS> :|
14:49:57 <TYSSeries> KageSenshi How large is it?
14:50:07 <KageSenshi> meng, if you nave no real suggestions, be silent .. take note that this meeting is logged ..
14:50:26 <meng> j
14:50:35 <KageSenshi> TYSSeries, like the one used by that google event
14:50:38 <msian_tux_lover> KageSenshi, cheaper banner...2.6k is a little steep
14:50:53 <KageSenshi> yep .. i think that quote is for thick canvas banner ..
14:51:07 <meng> can't just print a simple paper banner?
14:51:07 <TYSSeries> KageSenshi I guess it is too much for it
14:51:26 <KageSenshi> coz i did asked high quality banner , but thats for the vertical banner, not the huge banner
14:51:46 <KageSenshi> TYSSeries, what you expect such banner might cost?
14:52:46 <KageSenshi> TYSSeries, the one google hung in front of apiit during their devfest ..
14:53:14 <TYSSeries> KageSenshi If it is possible, I need the size @@ because I printed few last time
14:53:17 <msian_tux_lover> around 800 would just be abt right
14:53:26 <TYSSeries> KageSenshi though it is not high quality
14:53:50 <KageSenshi> TYSSeries, estimate it by the size of that google banner
14:53:59 <KageSenshi> TYSSeries, no, we dont need high quality for single-use items
14:54:00 <MavJS> TYSSeries: probably 10feet wide - 2 feet high?
14:54:37 <KageSenshi> we'll need high quality only for things we can reuse , eg: vertical banner with stand :)
14:55:51 <TYSSeries> Give me a moment to ask my friends, last time we printed 3 with just RM200 or 300 (I forgot the size)
14:56:08 <KageSenshi> ok
15:00:00 <TYSSeries> Hmm, my friends let me know 10 feet wide and 2 feet high
15:00:06 <TYSSeries> RM300+ only
15:00:09 <KageSenshi> ok
15:00:10 <MavJS> :D
15:00:17 <KageSenshi> i'll put the quote as myr400
15:00:22 <KageSenshi> thanks
15:01:53 <TYSSeries> The quality is considered as normal
15:02:05 <KageSenshi> normal quality is ok
15:02:11 <KageSenshi> coz we just want to use it for 3 days
15:02:20 <TYSSeries> Okay
15:02:29 <KageSenshi> high quality is for things which can be reused
15:02:40 <TYSSeries> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/35115_415227062707_770362707_4479396_4229854_n.jpg < Can you access?
15:02:41 <KageSenshi> keep it for years :P
15:02:49 <KageSenshi> yep
15:02:53 <KageSenshi> looks ok to me
15:03:00 <TYSSeries> That's roughly is RM50 only
15:03:09 <KageSenshi> lol
15:03:10 <KageSenshi> ok
15:03:16 <TYSSeries> I not sure the size
15:03:41 <KageSenshi> ok now we have around 1500 for swags :P
15:03:43 <KageSenshi> haha
15:03:47 <KageSenshi> lets see
15:03:48 <MavJS> heh :D
15:03:58 <meng> 12'x5'
15:04:17 <meng> judging from the woman and the general surroundings
15:04:17 <KageSenshi> my limit right now is usd7500, we're at usd 7150
15:04:26 <KageSenshi> excluding flights
15:04:55 <KageSenshi> ok .. swags, i just dump myr1500 there .. we'll decide what to produce later
15:04:55 <meng> enough already, not like the total costs for FOODPUB is all that clear
15:05:23 <TYSSeries> Keep it as backup, in case anything ? @@
15:05:46 <msian_tux_lover> :)
15:07:51 <KageSenshi> MavJS, can you check the estimated rough budget table, can recalculate the total
15:07:54 <KageSenshi> erm
15:08:32 <KageSenshi> verify that its correct, as i just modified the total for the changes we did just now
15:08:45 <KageSenshi> ok
15:08:53 <KageSenshi> we're already beyond 1 hour
15:09:01 <KageSenshi> the bid looks good now i guess
15:09:05 <TYSSeries> ~
15:09:08 <KageSenshi> lets hope for the best :)
15:09:13 <MavJS> KageSenshi: i'm on it. :)
15:09:23 <KageSenshi> next item in meeting
15:09:27 <KageSenshi> #topic FADKL 2012
15:09:42 <KageSenshi> I created a poster , you can find it in my blog or g+
15:10:23 <MavJS> ok
15:10:25 <KageSenshi> if you want SVG, buzz me
15:10:33 <MavJS> k
15:10:41 <KageSenshi> #link http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xoYcd3XhKmU/Twr-TtS7T6I/AAAAAAAAA_o/YYsugF2PgqI/s1600/fadposter.png
15:10:50 <KageSenshi> #info anybody want SVG for that poster, buzz KageSenshi
15:11:21 <KageSenshi> spread it around :)
15:11:29 <KageSenshi> erm
15:11:41 <KageSenshi> MavJS, any update on the apiit side of stuff ?
15:11:43 <meng> have to remember to repost a few days before also
15:12:21 <MavJS> KageSenshi: so far. the email I sent is all. only thing is I will put up the poster/banner to advertise FAD on apiit website.
15:12:30 <KageSenshi> ok
15:13:03 <KageSenshi> MavJS, any interesting stuff from the meeting you had with fossig yesterday ?
15:13:11 <KageSenshi> related to FAD/FUDcon especially ?
15:13:58 <MavJS> KageSenshi: got some volunteers, is all. some are new. not everyone was present yet.
15:14:11 <MavJS> getting more to join in the FOSS SIG.
15:14:41 <MavJS> planning for campuscamp, talked about it.
15:14:54 <KageSenshi> cool
15:15:07 <KageSenshi> hows the reaction?
15:15:31 <MavJS> KageSenshi: well, abit quiet :D
15:15:38 <KageSenshi> lol
15:16:01 <MavJS> except TYSSeries and some dudes, all seem to just listen :)
15:16:17 <KageSenshi> haha ..you'll need some work to get them excited :)
15:16:21 <MavJS> KageSenshi: will probably need some trainnings ;)
15:16:37 <TYSSeries> @@
15:16:39 <MavJS> but that's in planning..
15:16:41 <KageSenshi> no, get them excited first :)
15:16:47 <MavJS> KageSenshi: ok.
15:16:58 <MavJS> KageSenshi: any suggestions? :D
15:17:21 * MavJS awaits tips from the jedi master :p
15:17:38 <meng> probably observe the lot first, if it was me
15:18:03 <MavJS> hhmm, ok.
15:18:05 <meng> i have no idea how the group os
15:18:06 <KageSenshi> MavJS, lol .. well .. personally, no idea .. the way i usually do it, is to show a bit more energy when pitching it to them
15:18:27 <KageSenshi> get them interested
15:18:40 <MavJS> KageSenshi: ok, i shall :)
15:19:00 <KageSenshi> observing without poking around is useless too .. you need to do some action then baru observe reaction
15:19:01 <KageSenshi> XD
15:19:27 <KageSenshi> oops mixed malay into that sented
15:19:30 <KageSenshi> *sentence
15:19:31 <KageSenshi> XD
15:19:36 <KageSenshi> ok
15:19:37 <MavJS> KageSenshi: but I got what you mean ;)
15:19:44 <meng> or just watch Moshidora for ideas, Drucker has good points in that show
15:19:52 <KageSenshi> meng, lol
15:19:57 <KageSenshi> anyway
15:20:01 * MavJS notes down meng 's suggestions..
15:20:02 <KageSenshi> guess should end the meeting now
15:20:08 <MavJS> ok
15:20:11 <KageSenshi> thanks for attending
15:20:14 <TYSSeries> Nope
15:20:18 <KageSenshi> anything else you guys want to add ?
15:20:27 <meng> the bid doc looks good
15:20:47 * MavJS does the *happy* dance..
15:20:49 <meng> the fun starts when we get the bid, else go to pub and sob away
15:20:56 <KageSenshi> haha
15:21:15 <KageSenshi> ending the emeting in 5
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15:21:23 <KageSenshi> #endmeeting