20:03:42 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight
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20:03:46 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
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20:03:53 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
20:03:54 * stickster 
20:04:08 * asrob is here
20:04:39 <stickster> Anyone seen schendje, pcalarco? smooge will be tied up, there's an Infrastructure meeting at this time slot.
20:05:02 <stickster> #info stickster apologizes for the rescheduling conflict with Infrastructure. Choice of time was limited today!
20:05:13 <stickster> #chair asrob
20:05:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob stickster
20:05:31 <smooge> sorry I am also in other meetings too :)
20:05:37 <stickster> We'll just go ahead and talk about Insight stuff, asrob. I was hoping Sven or limb (Jon) might be here
20:05:41 <smooge> triple scheduled
20:05:42 <stickster> smooge: No worries, ignore us
20:05:51 <stickster> We're in good shape infrastructure-wise at this point.
20:05:58 <stickster> asrob: Can I start there for the sake of the record?
20:05:58 <asrob> :)
20:06:10 <asrob> stickster: yeah
20:06:17 <stickster> #topic Infrastructure update
20:06:25 <stickster> #info FakeFAS is now available here: https://fakefas01.fedoraproject.org/accounts
20:06:52 <stickster> #info To work on Insight, make an account there. Remember that group access in FAS is what determines your group/role membership in Insight/Drupal
20:07:17 <stickster> #info There is a 'cmsadmins' group in FakeFAS to which you can apply that grants administrators role on Drupal
20:07:52 <stickster> #info there are also 'cmswriters' and 'cmseditors' which have varying levels of access, as shown on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_customizations_to_Drupal
20:08:13 <stickster> #info No other infrastructure issues noted as of now, yay!
20:08:23 <stickster> asrob: Anything you wanted to ask or add here?
20:08:43 <asrob> stickster: nothing
20:08:43 <spevack> stickster: i don't have any zodbod op rights
20:09:07 <stickster> spevack: No worries -- zoddie seems to be doing OK right now
20:09:39 <stickster> Moving on then!
20:10:16 <spevack> stickster: it's best if i don't have any rights over anything ;)
20:10:27 <stickster> heh
20:10:42 <asrob> :)
20:10:53 <stickster> #topic Packaging
20:11:21 <stickster> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=InsightReviews <-- Insight package review tracker
20:12:10 <stickster> asrob: Hang on, looking for link I posted with an even better view
20:12:21 <asrob> stickster: okay ;)
20:15:23 <stickster> http://ur1.ca/2ymrs <-- Not yet completed review
20:15:31 <stickster> Down to only 1 package!
20:15:42 <stickster> #info stickster completed all his package reviews.
20:15:52 <asrob> yeah, that's cool
20:16:13 <stickster> #info HOWEVER... Sven and Volker may have identified a potential issue wrt. Obsoletes on the package reviews that are for *renamed* packages. These are packages that are moving from e.g. drupal-cck to drupal6-cck
20:16:42 <stickster> #info Need help on the list figuring out whether those packages need to have a different Obsolete.
20:16:54 <stickster> asrob: You should be able to go ahead and tag yours.
20:17:14 <stickster> asrob: You can request for git and build, but I wouldn't push them to updates-testing yet.
20:18:00 <asrob> stickster: yep, I requested for git, but I didn't get them
20:18:25 <asrob> stickster: I'm waiting for it
20:18:25 <stickster> asrob: It can sometimes take a day to get them -- don't worry too much unless you don't hear back by tomorrow
20:18:46 <asrob> okay
20:19:02 <stickster> asrob: Sorry, I'm wrong -- once you do get your git branches, you *can* build and push to updates-testing -- making sure to use %drupaldir of /usr/share/drupal in the F14 branch
20:20:06 <stickster> The issue we're having with Obsoletes is just for renamed packages. Those need to be resolved and pushed at one time.
20:20:42 <asrob> stickster: I think, I have fixed it, but I'm going to see it
20:22:11 <stickster> asrob: In F15 (devel) branch are we supposed to use %drupaldir /usr/share/drupal6 ?
20:22:23 <asrob> stickster: yeah
20:22:28 <stickster> OK, cool, that's what I thought :-)
20:22:41 <stickster> asrob: Anything else we should talk about for packaging?
20:22:52 <asrob> stickster: yeah
20:22:59 <asrob> I have one question
20:23:43 <stickster> No need to ask to ask, just ask :-)
20:24:39 <asrob> the other modules, imagefield, filefield etc. is plenty of time later to package?! I don't know how I say in English
20:24:58 <stickster> asrob: Ah, do you have more modules that are needed?
20:25:07 <stickster> Or are these things we will want later, but don't need right away?
20:25:30 <asrob> second question, exactly
20:26:23 <stickster> asrob: If we don't need them right away, you don't have to package them right now
20:26:44 <stickster> asrob: We try to package whatever we're going to use on the Insight test box itself
20:27:02 <stickster> Once we identify it's needed, we try to package it so that it can be installed via yum on the test and later production boxes
20:27:19 <stickster> That makes the infrastructure team's job (and ours) easier in the long run
20:27:26 <asrob> stickster: ah, okay, then I will package them on Monday, thanks
20:27:47 <stickster> asrob: OK -- and you can assign the package reviews to me (stickster at gmail) if you like
20:27:58 <asrob> stickster: sure ;)
20:28:10 <stickster> I promise to get to them quickly :-)
20:28:16 <asrob> :)
20:28:22 <stickster> #action asrob will package imagefield and filefield
20:28:30 <stickster> #action stickster to perform reviews as needed
20:28:34 <stickster> #undo
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20:28:39 <stickster> #action stickster to perform reviews for imagefield and filefield as needed
20:28:50 <asrob> stickster: wait a sec, I am collecting them now
20:29:04 <stickster> asrob: Anything else we should discuss about packaging right now?
20:29:13 <asrob> stickster: nothing
20:29:16 <stickster> OK
20:30:16 <stickster> #topic Development status
20:30:22 <asrob> stickster: drupal6-pathauto, drupal6-imagefield, drupal6-filefield, drupal6-imagecache, drupal6-imageapi, drupal6-mimedetect ;)
20:30:28 <stickster> asrob: Ouch
20:30:52 <asrob> and we have the top ten modules from drupal.org :)
20:30:52 <stickster> But OK, will do!
20:31:01 <stickster> asrob: Do we have the top ten modules because we need them?
20:31:09 <stickster> Or just because they're popular?
20:31:39 * stickster notes, infrastructure policy is to keep boxes as lean as possible, don't install unnecessary code until you know it's needed. That way, we are affected by as few security issues as possible
20:32:47 <asrob> they're popular and pathauto generates path aliases automatically
20:32:57 <asrob> FileField provides a universal file upload field for CCK
20:33:44 <asrob> image* modules manage the things that related to images/pictures
20:33:48 <stickster> asrob: Do we have a need to upload files?
20:34:10 <asrob> stickster: I don't know
20:34:13 <stickster> I can see the image stuff, if we are going to put pictures in stories, right?
20:34:24 <asrob> stickster: yeah, that's right
20:35:56 <stickster> asrob: Well.. you know what? It will help lots of people other than us
20:36:00 <stickster> So I will be happy to review all of those
20:36:09 <stickster> And if we need them installed, we will, and if we don't, we won't :-D
20:36:33 <stickster> #action asrob will package remaining "Top 10" modules from drupal.org
20:36:36 <asrob> wow, awesome
20:36:49 <stickster> #action stickster will review remaining "Top 10" modules once packaged
20:36:55 <stickster> yay!
20:37:03 <stickster> another blow struck for the wider community!
20:37:17 <stickster> #info Having top 10 modules in Fedora available by default should be a very good thing!
20:37:37 <asrob> stickster: you can see them in here, http://drupal.org/project/usage
20:37:42 <asrob> ;)
20:37:54 <stickster> asrob: So what can you tell us about other development stuff
20:38:11 <asrob> hm
20:38:32 <asrob> VBO(Views Bulk Operations) works perfectly
20:38:46 <asrob> this provides our moderation queue
20:40:01 <asrob> feeds works well, I have hundreds of imported content
20:40:46 <asrob> I am working with auto_nodetitle but I need a little help
20:41:08 <stickster> asrob: Would I be able to help you?
20:41:37 <asrob> what do we want with FWN title? we want to hide it, right?
20:43:23 <stickster> asrob: Are you talking about a title on the combined View, or a title on a specific beat in a node?
20:43:48 <stickster> For a single node that has one beat, we want the automatic title of "FWN <###> - <BeatName>"
20:44:13 <stickster> For the combined View, we'll hide those node titles (with CSS magic) and we want the View to have a title of "Fedora Weekly News <###>"
20:44:19 <stickster> Does that make sense?
20:44:28 <asrob> yeah
20:44:40 <stickster> asrob: If you run into problems like this, feel free to email the list any time -- that way you don't have to wait for the meeting to have help & answers :-)
20:45:13 <asrob> so, auto_nodetitle hides the title, no need CSS magic
20:46:39 <asrob> the title of View, I am going to see what can I do
20:47:00 <stickster> Oh that would be great!
20:47:06 <asrob> but I think it is possible simply
20:47:57 <stickster> asrob: Do you still need help then?
20:48:09 <asrob> stickster: no, I don't
20:48:13 <stickster> asrob: OK
20:48:23 <stickster> asrob: Anything else you want to talk about wrt. development?
20:48:36 <asrob> stickster: nothing
20:48:39 <stickster> OK
20:48:46 <stickster> #topic Upcoming hack events
20:49:04 <stickster> #info stickster would like to gather with any Insight or Drupal interested people at FUDCon Tempe
20:49:22 <stickster> asrob: I know you're not at FUDCon Tempe... but will you be around the weekend of Jan 29-31? (Sat - Mon)
20:49:41 <asrob> stickster: sure
20:50:04 <stickster> asrob: If you have View definitions to export, we should put them on publictest4 so that everyone can reach them
20:50:16 <stickster> I'm less concerned with the theme than with the functionality at this point
20:50:30 <stickster> #info Schendje is continuing to work on theme and we can pop that on as he completes it
20:51:07 <stickster> But you should (1) put any structural and functional content on publictest4 once you think it's working, and (2) take notes on the wiki:
20:51:31 <stickster> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_content_configuration
20:51:36 <stickster> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_customizations_to_Drupal
20:51:52 <stickster> That way if anything catastrophic happens, we can reconfigure quickly and be back up and running
20:52:08 <stickster> (even though we will have backups, it never hurts to show the community exactly what we've built)
20:52:36 <asrob> cool
20:52:37 <stickster> asrob: Make sense?
20:52:40 <stickster> cool :-)
20:52:41 <asrob> yeah
20:53:11 <stickster> asrob: If we do work on Insight, we'll likely make a new temporary channel, and log everything there
20:53:17 <stickster> That way we can include you in the work
20:53:23 <asrob> I will write into it, whick modules is needed....
20:53:30 <stickster> asrob: Yes! Thank you for that
20:54:17 <asrob> stickster: I cannot edit my View on publictest04
20:54:33 <stickster> Hm, you have cmsadmins membership?
20:54:34 <stickster> Let me check
20:54:42 <stickster> asrob: Log out and I'll check
20:55:02 <asrob> stickster: I logged out
20:55:32 <asrob> stickster: I had that, but it seems I don't have
20:55:54 <stickster> asrob: Remember, FakeFas was rebuilt
20:56:06 <stickster> asrob: Now that it's in a new home, you shouldn't lose your groups again
20:56:17 <asrob> stickster: ohh, yes, that's the problem then
20:56:47 <stickster> OK, done
20:56:53 <stickster> You should be able to log in now and have admin privileges
20:56:56 <stickster> I added you to 'cmsadmins'
20:57:09 <stickster> http://fakefas.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/asrob
20:57:19 <stickster> asrob: Good?
20:57:30 <asrob> stickster: yep, it works perfectly, thanks
20:57:37 <stickster> Yay! Great.
20:57:52 <stickster> #action stickster mail the logistics@ list and remind people to recreate their accounts on the new FakeFAS
20:58:06 <stickster> Anything else before we finish?
20:58:25 <asrob> nothing, I'm working with my View and its title
20:58:31 <stickster> OK then
20:58:36 <stickster> Thanks for coming asrob!
20:58:40 <stickster> #endmeeting