20:04:57 <mchua> #startmeeting
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20:06:00 <mchua> (Ok, that should mostly clear things up in #fedora-meeting until we're done with both meetings.)
20:06:13 <mchua> Who's around?
20:06:19 * rbergeron is here
20:06:36 * yn1v Neville fron Nicaragua is here
20:06:43 <mchua> Sorry about that - looks like both me and fesco forgot to update the meetings page and we had a time/place collision, so we're moving here for the week instead.)
20:06:59 <mchua> hey rbergeron, yn1v!
20:07:10 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda
20:07:33 <mchua> This week should be relatively quick, but we might have a few longer ones for worksprints coming up getting ready for beta.
20:07:48 <mchua> # Marketing FAD
20:07:48 <mchua> * budget is a wrap
20:07:48 <mchua> * need to start speccing out each day
20:07:48 <mchua> * what do people need to do to prep?
20:07:48 <mchua> # Status check on infrastructure projects
20:07:50 <mchua> * Limesurvey - test day?
20:07:53 <mchua> * Insight - test day?
20:07:55 <mchua> * Fedora-tour
20:07:58 <mchua> # Looking forward at deliverables
20:08:08 <mchua> Anything else folks want to talk about, just add them in .;)
20:08:12 <mchua> #topic FAD
20:08:43 <mchua> Not much to do here, we've got sponsorship/tickets all sorted out for everyone, and it's about arranging each day of the schedule now.
20:08:49 * rbergeron claps
20:09:05 <mchua> The cool thing that's happened in the last few days is that RH Marketing/PR folks in Raleigh have started asking when they should drop by.
20:09:26 <mchua> They may not necessarily be able to make it for all 4 full days of the FAD (actually, they probably can't) but they're happy to come when we would like them.
20:09:40 <mchua> For instance, Jonathan Opp, who made the Red Hat Brand Book, asked if he could come help with the Fedora one on Sunday.
20:09:50 * sdziallas lurking, btw. (I might have some question regarding Fedora Tour in the open floor)
20:10:44 <mchua> And John Adams, who's the Brand Manager at Red Hat, asked if there's anything he could do to help - figuring out how to position the relationships between the RH and Fedora brands, but also just working as a part of the Fedora Marketing team on the Fedora brand in general.
20:10:44 <rbergeron> yay
20:10:54 <rbergeron> awesome
20:10:56 <mchua> #link http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com/msg05277.html - John's introduction
20:11:05 <yn1v> Will kara, the one who is working with fedora distribution news network be around?
20:12:04 <mchua> And Chris Grams, the former senior manager of all things Communications at Red Hat, is coming by as well, needs to know what date/time would be most helpful.
20:12:07 <mchua> #link http://darkmattermatters.com/
20:12:29 <rbergeron> so we should try to fit in as much PR stuff as possible those days as well as any rh summit stuff / pr items as we can then
20:12:42 <mchua> yn1v: Yep, Kara will be coming - she's travelling that week though, which is why we're putting PR stuff on Monday before she has to fly to California.
20:12:57 <mchua> rbergeron: Exactly.
20:13:03 <yn1v> nice to have her
20:13:46 <mchua> So what I think we need to do is (1) get those folks to introduce themselves and what they're interested in on-list, and then (2) the folks who own the schedule for each day should figure out when they should come, etc. depending on their schedule.
20:13:51 <mchua> yn1v: yep!
20:14:29 <mchua> to be clear, I don't consider "oo, they're from Red Hat!" to make the process of participation any different than any other local contributor who might only be able to come part of the time
20:14:38 <mchua> it just so happens that the local part-timers that we have now are Red Hatters.
20:15:18 <mchua> Everyone's going to be on equal footing in terms of doing Fedora Marketing stuff - we all bring our own roles and resources from outside that domain into the FAD.
20:15:58 <mchua> Anyway, I'll ping the four of them, and any other part-timers that may come.
20:16:15 <mchua> And owners of particular days may want to begin nailing down the schedule/deliverables for that day so we just have that taken care of.
20:16:20 <mchua> Questions, etc about the FAD?
20:16:33 <mchua> #action mchua get part-time FAD visitors to introduce themselves to list
20:16:33 <yn1v> I guess that was the idea but it is reassuring to hear about the dinamycs
20:16:59 <mchua> #action FAD day owners begin planning schedule, taking into account part-timers availabilities
20:17:16 <mchua> yn1v: Yep, I'm happily surprised :) I'm really looking forward to this sprint.
20:17:45 <mchua> We also - if Rahul and Sankarshan sprint remotely with us - have all four geos represented at the sprint.
20:17:49 <mchua> er, FAD.
20:17:51 <mchua> Which is *AWESOME.*
20:18:06 <mchua> Anyhow!
20:18:34 <mchua> #topic Limesurvey/research status
20:18:40 <mchua> rbergeron: notes, updates, next-actions?
20:18:52 <mchua> Packaging-wise, we seem to be in the same place we were last week.
20:18:56 <rbergeron> i'm looking at the list
20:19:03 * rbergeron is starting to wonder if she can do any of this herself
20:19:09 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Things_to_do_to_finish_Limesurvey
20:19:26 <yn1v> mchua, wait!
20:19:35 <mchua> rbergeron: It depends on how much you want to learn to be a packager.
20:19:46 <mchua> yn1v: whoops, sorry - what did you have (about the FAD?)
20:19:51 <yn1v> what about preps...
20:20:14 <yn1v> there is any list of preps or just going to the daily list?
20:20:24 <rbergeron> well i have some help around the house who can point me in the right way at least, but i just told him there looks to be like 10 things and he gave me the raised eyebrow are you insane look ;)
20:20:30 * rbergeron looks for a how to package stuff wiki pg
20:21:58 <mchua> yn1v: one sec, let's wrap up limesurvey and then come back to the FAD (good question)
20:22:05 <mchua> sdziallas: ping ^^
20:22:13 <sdziallas> mchua: yo!
20:22:47 <yn1v> mchua: good! Let's wrap limesurvey.
20:22:49 <sdziallas> rbergeron: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package
20:23:23 <mchua> #info Still blocking on packaging; help needed.
20:23:24 <sdziallas> rbergeron: if you need anybody talking through the process of packaging things, I'd be very happy to help.
20:23:43 <rbergeron> okiedokee.
20:23:52 <rbergeron> i'll take a look this evening and see if i can try something out
20:24:07 <rbergeron> see if i can wrap my brain around it :) surely it's still in there, right? :)
20:24:20 * sdziallas might also look at doing review in a spare moment, too (but no promises so far)
20:24:23 * sdziallas grins ;)
20:24:24 <rbergeron> mchua: your master list is very helpful, thanks for that
20:24:37 <mchua> rbergeron: Sparks made it, so thank-yous for that go to Eric. :)
20:24:49 <mchua> Ok, so hopefully we'll unblock on limesurvey soon.
20:24:54 <mchua> Anything else on limesurvey/research-in-general?
20:25:04 <mchua> There were some good comments on the FUDCon survey results.
20:25:10 <mchua> We'll be looking at them next week at the Events FAD too.
20:25:25 * rbergeron claps
20:25:32 <rbergeron> i'll try and get a final version for you
20:25:34 * rbergeron has been in vegas
20:25:37 <mchua> Vegas!
20:25:40 <mchua> thanks, rbergeron!
20:26:10 <yn1v> I went to limesurvey web to learn how it works, I hope be helpful with the creation of surveys in the near future
20:26:11 <rbergeron> today is pretty much shot though, i have to drive from phoenix to flagstaff in the snow :\
20:26:30 <mchua> I usually don't hear the word "snow" and "phoenix" and "flagstaff" in the same sentence.
20:26:39 <rbergeron> well. flagstaff is 2 hours north of phoenix
20:26:44 <rbergeron> at 7000 feet elevation :)
20:26:53 <rbergeron> it's like colorado.
20:26:55 <rbergeron> anyway
20:27:14 <mchua> yn1v: That would be great - we'll probably need testers once limsurvey is up.
20:27:22 * rbergeron also has a request in about doing a survey for someone's project so it would be awesomeness if we could get it runnnnning
20:27:37 <mchua> yn1v: I saw your note on Test Days to the list - it looks like there's enough response for us to actually have one, so that's really good.
20:27:58 <mchua> #info we might have a Test Day for Limesurvey once it's up
20:28:17 <mchua> We might also just want to dedicate one of our meeting times in Feb to sprinting on packaging for Marketing projects.
20:28:23 <yn1v> I saw a pottencial for doing a hacklab for testing Alfa/Beta or limesurvey
20:28:33 <mchua> #idea packaging/review sprints for Limesurvey and Zikula in Feb
20:28:51 <mchua> yn1v: that sounds cool, can you explain a bit?
20:29:20 <yn1v> There is not much developers in Nicaragua. So I need to start from scratch getting people.
20:29:31 <sdziallas> mchua: (I'd jump onto the sprints train)
20:29:47 <yn1v> Invite people that are start playing with linux to a fedora test day at one university lab sounds cool
20:30:20 <yn1v> the live survey test can be even done with some marketing/manager students doing some class for marketing research
20:30:32 <mchua> We could even do them both together - have people try out the Alpha or the Beta, and use Limesurvey to gather feedback from them.
20:30:36 <mchua> yn1v: Ooooh!
20:30:40 <yn1v> will be interesting showing them a tool different that SPSS
20:30:41 <mchua> That would be extremely cool.
20:31:02 <mchua> yn1v: do you have any idea around what date you'd want to do that?
20:31:05 <threethirty> so how did the meeting go?
20:31:28 <mchua> yn1v: (is it something we should be starting planning for now, or is it something we should figure out at some poing during the FAD?)
20:31:33 <yn1v> No, I have no dates, yet. University are on hollidays, I have to wait one more week
20:31:41 <mchua> threethirty: still in the middle of it, FESCo is in #fedora-meeting.
20:31:47 <mchua> (so we're here)
20:31:51 <threethirty> ahh
20:32:22 <mchua> #idea yn1v wants to do a test day with limesurvey, f13 alpha/beta, and marketing students to gather data in a local Nicaragua uni lab
20:32:26 <yn1v> I think I have to push the dates for sync with fedora schedule
20:32:54 <yn1v> but I will keep it posted on the list
20:34:53 <mchua> yn1v: awesome, thanks!
20:35:08 <mchua> Ok, let's get back to the FAD real quick, Neville had a question...
20:35:11 <mchua> #topic FAD part II
20:35:36 <mchua> yn1v: it was "is there a to-do list for the FAD?" iirc
20:36:13 <mchua> Right now the answer is "no, but there should be."
20:36:31 * rbergeron nods
20:36:40 <rbergeron> off the top of my head:
20:36:42 <yn1v> I was reviewing that there is good draft for marketing plan. At least we should all read it and comment it
20:37:14 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Todo
20:37:20 <mchua> just made a stub
20:37:24 <rbergeron> well, there is marketing plan" in the purest sense
20:37:31 <rbergeron> in the format that one might learn in school
20:37:40 <rbergeron> and then .. i think hiemanshu put another one toghether
20:37:44 <rbergeron> which i'm more apt to call
20:37:48 <rbergeron> "marketing's plan"
20:37:51 <rbergeron> notice the 's :)
20:38:07 <rbergeron> mchua: awesome
20:38:14 <mchua> So the reason there isn't really a todo list for the FAD is that the logistics are done, and now it's actual FAD work-prep that needs to happen
20:38:17 <rbergeron> i think we need to figure out what stuff we need there
20:38:22 <rbergeron> whiteboard
20:38:23 <mchua> but I was hoping that the owners for each day could drive the prep for their day
20:38:26 * mchua nods
20:38:35 <rbergeron> interwebz access for non rh people if that can be appropriated somehow
20:38:36 <mchua> Should that be our sprint next meeting?
20:38:40 <rbergeron> mchua: definitely
20:38:45 <mchua> We've been having kinda boring status update meetings so far
20:38:51 <rbergeron> anything we should be reading in advance
20:38:52 <mchua> it'd be good to have a worksprint one again.
20:39:05 <rbergeron> like looking at branding information, etc.
20:39:11 * mchua nods
20:39:14 <yn1v> someone need to poke them to give the prep-list for his/her day
20:39:31 <mchua> #agreed next meeting is FAD Agenda Prep Sprint
20:39:39 <mchua> yn1v: good call, I'll make that an action item
20:39:58 <mchua> #action FAD owners to be poked to get ready for next week's agenda prep sprint
20:40:29 <mchua> By the end of next week's meeting we should be able to publish (on Planet, etc.) a "here is what we will be doing during the FAD" thing, a "how you can help" thing, and a "here's what needs to be done to make that possible" thing
20:40:38 <yn1v> or invite then to write a bit on the wiki
20:40:45 <mchua> anything else we need to figure out ths week to get that to happen next week?
20:41:10 <mchua> yn	wrigin on the wiki would be ideal, I think we also need people (who aren't FAD day owners) to put comments in the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Agenda sections for each day
20:41:20 <mchua> whoops, that was supposed to be yn1v ^^
20:41:38 <mchua> Anything else on FAD?
20:42:08 <mchua> I had something like a 2-line update on Insight, and then whatever Subfusc and rrix want to say on fedora-tour
20:42:19 <mchua> and that's all there was for the rest of the meeting.
20:43:44 * rbergeron has nothing else
20:44:05 <mchua> Ok, so...
20:44:08 <mchua> #topic Insight
20:44:35 <mchua> #info mchua is behind - sandbox partially complete
20:44:50 <mchua> I got halfway through setting it up and then got pwned by other things; should have shouted earlier.
20:45:09 <mchua> I've blocked out tomorrow after lunch to do Nothing But Insight, though.
20:45:21 <mchua> Help/nags/cookies extremely welcome.
20:45:31 <mchua> that's about it.
20:45:34 <mchua> #topic Fedora-tour
20:45:43 <mchua> Subfusc, rrix: any notes on what's going on?
20:45:50 * mchua still waiting for that update to the list ;-)
20:45:59 <mchua> sdziallas: you mentioned earlier you had a question about this?
20:46:29 <sdziallas> mchua: true!
20:47:04 <sdziallas> mchua: I was thinking since we're going to have a Design Suite for F13, it might be interesting to have customized content there, to hint at all those awesome apps we've (and possibly how to get involved, too).
20:47:09 <rbergeron> rrix is at camp kde still, i think
20:47:28 <wonderer> huhu
20:47:42 * wonderer puts some [_] in here
20:48:16 <mchua> sdziallas: Ooh. actually, I'd like to get fedora-tour conversations going on the mailing list, would you mind starting off that question there?
20:48:23 <mchua> (esp. since all our fedora-tour people aren't here right now)
20:48:35 <sdziallas> mchua: sure thing, sounds good (no rush at all, just sayin')
20:49:14 <mchua> #action sdziallas nudge fedora-tour questions to marketing list
20:49:29 <mchua> Ok - I believe that's it - any questions from anyone?
20:49:33 <mchua> Other topics, etc?
20:49:44 <mchua> This week was sort of a boring status meeting, next week should be more fun with the sprint.
20:50:18 <mchua> Okeydokey - thanks, everyone - wrapping in 5...
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20:50:26 <mchua> #endmeeting