21:50:19 <mchua> #startmeeting
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21:50:43 <mchua> itbegins: I'm going to log so we don't have to write down so many notes afterwards :D
21:51:27 <itbegins> sounds good
21:51:40 <itbegins> ok, so we should probably start from my list
21:51:44 * itbegins goes to find it
21:52:05 <itbegins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Itbegins
21:54:07 <itbegins> So...  as a FUDCon uninitiated, I don't really know what suits the event best
21:56:06 <mchua> itbegins: Have you ever been to a barcamp before? I think Paul explained the unconference style a bit.
21:56:26 <mchua> itbegins: There's two parts to FUDCon; the barcamp (sat), and then the hackathon. (sun-mon)
21:56:36 <mchua> The big part for you, I think, will be the hackathon.
21:57:15 <itbegins> yes, we'll need a few people, and we can try to make some real progress on FI
21:57:16 <mchua> The list on your userpage rocks; yes, let's start from there.
21:57:18 * mchua nods
21:57:49 <mchua> You should take the barcamp time to hang out, check out things, meet people, relax a bit...
21:58:08 <mchua> If you want to give a short tutorial on zikula - an overview, what you wish all Fedora people knew about zikula - Saturday would be a great time to do that.
21:58:43 <mchua> That'd be the time to teach a mini-class on whatever aspect of the platform you think is most compelling (~45min workshop).
21:58:56 <itbegins> right ok
21:59:23 <itbegins> is that worth doing?  In the sense that I don't want to provide a distraction from other 'main events' that might be going on
21:59:45 <mchua> I think that zikula is central to both Marketing and Docs, and of great interest to Infrastructure, so in my mind, it would *be* a main event.
21:59:53 <mchua> We have little talks on all sorts of things.
22:00:01 <itbegins> ok
22:00:31 <mchua> Also, since the barcamp schedule is pretty much made that morning, what sessions go up depend on what people are interested in - so by definition, if your session gets a room, people want to go to it. :)
22:01:06 <mchua> Again, it's *totally* informal, people playing it by ear... you know your stuff, and you can teach it well, so I would not be worried.
22:01:22 <itbegins> ok, well in 45 mins I should be able to do something
22:01:30 <mchua> So I'd think about a 1-2 sentence rocket pitch for some session on zikula.
22:01:46 <mchua> (I'll find you at the start of FUDCon and fill you in there too, so no worries.)
22:02:05 * mchua nods - 45min won't be enough to do a *lot* of things, but it'll at least be able to draw some interest and maybe recruit some more people for the hackathon.
22:02:22 <itbegins> right
22:02:23 <mchua> That's mostly how I see it; the talk is to prepare the zikula hackers for the hackathon.
22:02:41 <mchua> And that would be a good place for your first 3 points on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Itbegins#FUDCon_Toronto_2009
22:02:59 <mchua> (zikula in general, the current state of play with zikula in fedora, and what's next for the fedora zikula sites)
22:03:18 <mchua> itbegins: should we switch gears and talk about what we want to accomplish in the hackathon, and what we'll need to set up to make that possible?
22:03:18 <itbegins> yep
22:03:26 <mchua> That might make the rest of it fall into place.
22:03:27 <itbegins> yes, sounds good
22:03:53 <itbegins> So I put down on that page what I thought might be useful topics for us to cover
22:04:09 <itbegins> Anything you can see that I missed?
22:05:24 <mchua> it looks like a good list to me - let's go through and make sure we've got clear deliverables for each, and that you're not driving all of them. ;) we've got pascal calarco in to head up the content part of the sprint (finalizing workflow, he'll be putting FWN's content there)
22:05:35 <mchua> and possibly a design person to head up the CSS/images bits once you show him how to do that
22:05:48 <mchua> so they can do all that tweaking and let you focus on the actual core software and administration
22:06:01 <itbegins> yes, workflow/design stuff I'll attempt more of a consultant's role and answer questions
22:06:08 <mchua> Awesome. yeah, that would be perfect.
22:06:58 <mchua> So i see a few really clear goals on the list right now
22:07:09 <mchua> #1: Upgrade to zikula 1.2.0
22:07:15 <mchua> #2: Convert FI to pagemaster
22:07:39 <mchua> #3: Produce a translation workflow and deployment plan (what work will need to be done)
22:08:01 <mchua> And then it gets a little fuzzy - how well do these map to what you were thinking?
22:08:13 <mchua> #4: Produce a "how to make a zikula skin" tutorial (by way of teaching some Design folks how to do it)
22:08:27 <mchua> (that doesn't have to be a document, it could be an IRC transcript, or a video of you explaining, or something)
22:08:46 <mchua> #5: Finish the "how to deploy zikula" guide for Fedora Infrastructure
22:09:17 <mchua> #6: Produce a deployment plan for Documentation's stuff, and train people in the skills necessary to get it up
22:09:20 <itbegins> good so far
22:09:46 <mchua> #7: Leave FUDCon with at least 3 other people (hopefully more) who can administrate a zikula website
22:10:03 <itbegins> #1 is something I will have to do in the first instance, but I'll need to show others how to do it for future maintenance
22:10:35 <mchua> We might need to branch areas of your knowledge out to different people - you know a *ton* about everything zikula-related, so if Pascal learns workflow-fu, and someone learns the php hooks for CSS skins, and someone else learns... etc, we should be covered.
22:10:40 * mchua nods
22:10:42 <mchua> that would be great
22:11:09 <mchua> One thing that might be good before the hackathon, then, is to write out a general list of topic areas you want to teach
22:11:15 <mchua> I think most of that's mapped out already
22:11:29 <mchua> there's the workflow (using the zikula web admin interface) which is pretty quick to learn, it's fairly easy to find your way around.
22:11:34 <mchua> There's the skinning/design bit
22:11:53 <itbegins> 2 secs - phone
22:11:59 <mchua> there's the "what modules are there, and how do you find them and make them work, and how does the ecosystem of module development work in zikula upstream"
22:12:10 <mchua> itbegins: np, I'll keep going and you can read when you get back :)
22:12:47 <mchua> there's the "how does core zikula development work upstream, how can we keep in touch with upstream so we make sure we're being as helpful as possible to the zikula project, and also keep our site up to date"
22:13:05 <mchua> there's the "I'm a sysadmin, how do I keep this running"
22:14:52 <mchua> ...that's all I can think of right now, but I'm sure you can come up with better ones :)
22:16:12 <mchua> itbegins: (just ping me when you're back)
22:17:40 * itbegins is back
22:18:02 <itbegins> all of that I can pretty much do off the top of my head
22:18:11 <itbegins> but I'll try and rustle up some notes/ supporting materials
22:21:46 <itbegins> ok, well that's helped I think
22:24:44 <mchua> itbegins: Ok. Do those 7 goals make sense?
22:25:01 <mchua> itbegins: is there some priority order you'd set to them (so in case we run tight on time we know what we can cut?)
22:25:15 <mchua> itbegins: are there particular people - or skillsets - or types of people - or resources - we need to make sure we have, so we can hit those goals?
22:26:08 <itbegins> wel;l, people with PHP experience would be gold dust
22:26:23 <itbegins> as would people with design experience for the templating
22:26:23 <mchua> #info Want: people with PHP experience
22:26:28 <mchua> #info Want: web designers
22:26:33 <itbegins> but, some of th emost useful will just be those keen to learn
22:26:54 <itbegins> because we can spread the0 load of administration
22:27:12 <itbegins> ... of day to day tasks like editing etc
22:27:43 * mchua nods
22:28:18 <mchua> itbegins: Ok. So here's what I'd like to ask you to do, to get this all laid out in your head (and ours)
22:28:45 <mchua> itbegins: put - on your userpage, on a new page, wherever you want - the plan we just went over
22:28:49 <itbegins> I think those goals are pretty much in order, apart from maybe #7 which should prob be #1
22:28:50 <mchua> and link to it from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009#Hackfests_-_Sunday_.26_Monday
22:28:53 * mchua nods
22:28:54 <mchua> itbegins: ok
22:29:13 <mchua> itbegins: this could totally be your current userpage with, like, 5 minutes of editing to add in the prioritized goals list and the "we want these kinds of people" bit
22:29:34 <itbegins> yep
22:29:43 <mchua> itbegins: and then mail that link to the docs, marketing, and logistics lists, so folks can see and start to comment/edit/sign-up
22:30:03 <mchua> itbegins: if your blog is on planet, blog it; if it isn't, let me know and I'll make sure it gets on Planet (probably I'l just blog out the link myself)
22:30:11 <mchua> itbegins: and that should do it
22:30:14 <mchua> itbegins: does that sound ok?
22:30:27 <mchua> (I think it should take <15m unless you want to go way overboard ;)
22:30:49 <itbegins> sounds great
22:30:57 <itbegins> might take me a few days - I'm away part of this week
22:31:01 <mchua> itbegins: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_organize_a_FAD and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:FAD might help for copy-pasting
22:31:42 <mchua> itbegins: no worries, anytime before next tuesday would be great
22:31:51 <mchua> itbegins: that way we can plug it shamelessly in the marketing meeting ;)
22:32:09 <itbegins> cool
22:32:14 <itbegins> thanks for your help
22:33:59 <mchua> itbegins: thanks for *your* help!
22:34:09 * mchua is totally looking forward to meeting itbegins in person
22:34:14 <mchua> and a kickass hackathon ;)
22:34:28 <mchua> itbegins: I'll post logs to marketing-list so folks stay in touch - anything else? I'm done.
22:35:30 <itbegins> fine from my side
22:36:09 <itbegins> I'm looking forward to meeting all you fedora types, should be great
22:37:02 <mchua> itbegins: cool, thanks! wrapping up the logs then
22:37:04 <mchua> #endmeeting