06:00:10 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n (i18n) 06:00:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 17 06:00:10 2016 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:00:10 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:00:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n_(i18n)' 06:00:10 <pravins> #meetingname g11n (i18n) 06:00:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n_(i18n)' 06:00:39 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call 06:00:39 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-02-17 06:00:42 <suanand> Hi... 06:00:46 <jibecfed> hi :) 06:00:47 <mfabian> Hi! 06:00:54 <epico> hi 06:01:03 <paragan> Hi 06:01:04 <fujiwarat> hi 06:01:05 <pravins> hi jibecfed mfabian epico suanand :) 06:01:07 <pravins> hi paragan 06:01:41 <pravins> jibecfed: i have few updates on F24 Enhancements plans activities, will update in topic. 06:01:55 <pravins> hi fujiwarat :) 06:02:01 <juhp> hi 06:02:16 <mtoh> good morning everyone :) 06:02:23 <pravins> #chair suanand epico paragan fujiwarat jibecfed juhp 06:02:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat jibecfed juhp paragan pravins suanand 06:02:35 <pravins> hi juhp mtoh :) 06:02:37 <jibecfed> pravins:ok, me too 06:02:56 <pravins> nice. 06:03:34 <pravins> mtoh: looks like this is first time you in meeting, would you like to introduce yourself? 06:04:36 <mtoh> Sure thing! I'm new around here and would like to participate here. I am a developer from Switzerland and have already joined the German i18n team. I have a background in audio engineering and use heavily fedora, thus I would like to give something back to the project 06:05:08 <paragan> mtoh, welcome here :) 06:05:20 <pravins> mtoh++ 06:05:24 <mtoh> In order to get a feeling for what's going on, I have joined the meeting here 06:05:24 <mtoh> thanks :) 06:06:18 <jibecfed> willkommen mtoh 06:06:26 <pravins> glad to have you in Fedora. :) 06:06:32 <tagoh_> hi 06:06:41 <pravins> hi tagoh_ :) 06:06:46 <pravins> #chair tagoh_ 06:06:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat jibecfed juhp paragan pravins suanand tagoh_ 06:06:56 <mfabian> mtoh: Grüezi! 06:07:02 <pravins> Lets quickly go through upcoming schedule 06:07:23 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule 06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-02-23 Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25) 06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 Alpha Freeze (*) 06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 Software String Freeze 06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) 06:07:24 <pravins> #info 2016-03-08 Bodhi activation point 06:07:26 <pravins> #info 2016-03-22 Alpha Release 06:08:22 <pravins> no changes from last time. F24 Branching is scheduled in next week. 06:09:09 <pravins> #topic #57: Fedora 24 change planning 06:09:16 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57 06:09:48 <pravins> any news on our proposed changes? 06:10:13 <jibecfed> is LangpacksInstallationWithRPMWeakDependencies accepted ? 06:10:26 <mfabian> pravins: Carlos said Monday that he will have time to review the locale sub-packaging Wednesday. And today is Wednesday ☺. 06:10:42 <pravins> mfabian: nice. 06:10:50 <paragan> jibecfed, yes 06:10:59 <pravins> mfabian: does your changes are in Fedora rawhide? 06:11:12 <pravins> paragan: nice. 06:11:27 <mfabian> pravins: My changes are for rawhide. 06:11:52 <jibecfed> paragan:bravo ! may I add it to wiki/Releases/24/ChangeSet ? or is there an other process ? 06:11:54 <mfabian> But they are not pushed to rawhide yet. I have pushing rights, but I will push only if Carlos says it is OK. 06:11:57 <paragan> so Change is accepted but https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/593 is still pending to be discussed tomorrow 06:12:09 <paragan> once its approved, we will change required packages in Fedora 06:12:47 <paragan> so this implementation will take some time 06:13:02 <paragan> but hope to get all changes done before Alpha release 06:13:13 <juhp> okay but langpacks is already in rawhide, right? 06:13:45 <paragan> yeah the meta-packages langpacks-* are in rawhide already :) 06:13:46 <juhp> but not other packages right... 06:14:02 <paragan> yes not other 06:14:07 <paragan> waiting on FPC 06:14:14 <juhp> okay 06:14:26 <mfabian> paragan, juhp: glibc coming soon ... 06:14:29 <pravins> #info Glibc_Subpackaging builds are available for Fedora Rawhide, after review from Carlos - mfabian will commit those. 06:14:40 <juhp> mfabian, :) 06:15:12 <paragan> mfabian++ 06:15:12 <zodbot> paragan: Karma for mfabian changed to 2 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 06:16:05 <juhp> paragan++ 06:16:05 <zodbot> juhp: Karma for pnemade changed to 4 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 06:16:43 <pravins> #info meta-packages and langpacks-* are available in rawhide. 06:17:09 * pravins wished Glibc changes get into rawhide before branching to Fedora 24 :) 06:17:22 <pravins> s/wished/wish 06:17:27 <jibecfed> souldn't we make a communication about this change on fedora magazine ? 06:17:33 <jibecfed> (langpacks) 06:17:50 <pravins> jibecfed: good point. We should 06:18:34 <pravins> #undo 06:18:34 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by pravins at 06:16:43 : meta-packages and langpacks-* are available in rawhide. 06:18:48 <pravins> #info meta-packages langpacks-* are available in rawhide 06:18:51 <jibecfed> I would suggest : to give status of translation, and introduce langpacks and explain how to contribute, the QA part is really clear, but the PackagingDrafts aint clear to me has a neewbie 06:20:27 <paragan> jibecfed, what things are unclear to you? 06:20:32 <pravins> Earlier it was only Fedora Magazine but now we have community blogs as well. 06:21:17 <pravins> I think our article should go in Fedora Magazine to advertise users things coming in Fedora 24. But if its more developer/contributor oriented it should go to community blog. 06:21:41 <jibecfed> paragan: should this code be in the main package (like libreoffice's one) or in the langpack package ? 06:21:43 <paragan> jibecfed, QA test case for langpacks is here -> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=QA:Langpacks 06:21:48 <pravins> jibecfed: feel free to propose post for this, its interesting for readers :) 06:22:05 <jibecfed> paragan: I mean this page : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/Langpack 06:22:32 <paragan> langpack package 06:23:33 <jibecfed> paragan: I'm a contributor, I notice I don't have some packages locale embedded with some package, what bug report should I make to help transmitting the right information 06:24:04 <paragan> jibecfed, its upto the package maintainer to decide to provide langpack packages 06:24:22 <paragan> if they decide to create langpack packages then above draft implementation will be used 06:24:34 <paragan> otherwise there will be no langpacks subpackages for that package 06:25:05 <jibecfed> paragan:right, i'm ok to propose a draft of article :) 06:25:35 <paragan> generally langpack packages are created when there is big translations per language 06:26:02 <pravins> jibecfed: nice, do follow process. i.e. first propose pitch and then few +'s, start creating draft. 06:26:35 <mfabian> paragan: Or big other language specific stuff 06:26:58 <paragan> mfabian, right 06:27:04 <pravins> #info jibecfed planning to propose article in Fedora Magazine/Community Blog for Status of Translation, Langpacks introduction and how to contribute. 06:28:10 <pravins> fujiwarat: anything update or query for ibus-fbterm_enhancement_for_ibus_1.5 ? 06:29:17 <fujiwarat> No, update specially. It's almost done. 06:29:44 <pravins> nice. fujiwarat do update percentage complete on page, once done :) 06:30:32 <pravins> #info ibus-fbterm_enhancement_for_ibus_1.5 is almost ready. 06:30:49 <pravins> #topic #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release 06:30:56 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58 06:31:11 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements 06:32:24 <jibecfed> i made progresses on listing fedora websites 06:32:33 <jibecfed> the result is here : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites 06:33:10 <jibecfed> to be clear : nothing is translated outside community websites 06:33:26 <pravins> ohh, big chunk is missing. 06:34:05 <jibecfed> most of tools are very close to redhat/fedora activity and probably not going to be globalized any soon 06:34:06 <pravins> fedora.zanata.org/ this must be available for translation. 06:34:39 <pravins> i am still not sure, how can we proceed for this. 06:35:06 <jibecfed> the global list or fedora.zanata translation ? 06:35:18 <pravins> fedora.zanata.org website. 06:35:33 <pravins> We are planning for meeting with Translators and Zanata members. May be Friday or early next week. 06:35:33 <fujiwarat> pravins: I cannot find the percentage line. 06:35:49 <pravins> fujiwarat: yeah, even i did not. It was used to be there earlier. 06:35:52 * pravins checking template. 06:36:15 <pravins> jibecfed: how do you think, to raise it there and see how can we proceed. 06:36:16 <pravins> ? 06:36:42 <jibecfed> pravins: sorry, i don't understand 06:36:53 <jibecfed> where ? 06:36:59 <pravins> jibecfed: i mean talking with other Translators and with Zanata members. 06:37:31 <jibecfed> still talking about translation of fedora.zanata yes ? 06:37:59 <pravins> nope, about overall list of all websites https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites 06:38:18 <jibecfed> why not, but we have to create guidelines 06:38:50 <pravins> #info list of Fedora websites not translatable https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/List_of_Fedora_sites 06:39:01 <pravins> yeah and guidelines must be with Fedora Infra. 06:39:11 <pravins> and with Website team 06:39:26 <jibecfed> yep, tough work 06:39:50 <pravins> jibecfed: need to also discuss this with Fedora Website team. 06:40:26 <pravins> did you have any communication with Fedora Website team earlier? 06:40:42 <jibecfed> how do we do that (g11n+website+infra), we invite them on irc or mailing lists ? 06:41:05 <pravins> may be we should jump in there meeting ;) That is good approach 06:41:17 <pravins> create ticket and see when they are meeting. That will be quicker 06:41:19 <pravins> i think 06:41:25 <mtoh> If it helps, I'd be happy to assist here, but I would need some help of course to get the whole picture 06:42:20 <pravins> yes definitely. 06:42:23 <jibecfed> Ralph Bean told be he needed to talk about it and to plan it 06:42:49 <jibecfed> https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/issues/345#issuecomment-179283981 06:43:13 <jibecfed> mtoh:i'll make a mail on l10n list 06:43:36 <mtoh> jibecfed ok, thanks 06:43:45 <jibecfed> with everything embedded, so you can jump in 06:44:23 <mtoh> Great, thanks a lot 06:44:57 <pravins> jibecfed: yes make sense. 06:45:14 <pravins> #info jibecfed sending email on trans list with more details on Fedora website translation status 06:45:19 <pravins> thanks jibecfed :) 06:45:38 <pravins> Also i had chat with Ralph in DevConf about Infra script, he mentioned same thing. 06:45:51 <pravins> Scripts are internationalized and only submitting to Zanata is pending. 06:46:01 <pravins> I am planning meeting with Fedora Infra and Zanata for this. 06:46:25 <pravins> Topics to discuss are 1) FedBus and Zanata connections, so l10n people can get badges 06:46:42 <pravins> 2) Zanata FAS id login issues and 3) if any other topics 06:46:59 <pravins> i will announce meeting on mailing list, so all interested members can join. 06:47:03 <jibecfed> about 1) please make the level lower 06:47:28 <pravins> level lower means? 06:47:38 <jibecfed> they discussed to make 500 000 lines of translation to get the best badge, this is not possible 06:48:26 <pravins> jibecfed: good point. Yeah, Remy mentioned he wanted to discuss it with Translation team, so we can suggest level's for it. 06:48:29 <jibecfed> you make 1000 in a few hours, so 500 000 is out of reach if you're not doing technical copy/paste 06:49:04 <jibecfed> i remember posting on the trac ticket, you should see the discussion 06:50:03 <jibecfed> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/221 06:50:29 <pravins> thanks, i was searching for this ticket :) 06:50:35 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/221 06:51:29 <pravins> jibecfed: sure, will discuss on this ticket as well. 06:51:38 <pravins> Less time remaining lets move to next topic 06:51:56 <pravins> #topic #60: Fedora 24 Test day planning 06:51:57 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/60 06:53:16 <pravins> We had few discussion regarding date in FAD. But number of things changed now 06:55:09 <pravins> Recently FLTG proposed date for L10N translation. 06:55:34 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/480 06:55:54 <pravins> 29th March is test day for L10N 06:56:33 <jibecfed> what's the global process of FLTG ? we download alpha, we test translations, we submit bugs about missing translation, we translate, the package is pushed again ? 06:57:04 <pravins> jibecfed: normally QA provide snapshot with Translations for testing. 06:57:24 <pravins> yes, this is the process generally 06:57:31 <tagoh_> thought the initial plan was scheduled against the release schedule to have a testing efficiently. so how about adjust the plan from current release schedule then? 06:58:15 <pravins> yeah, that make sense 06:59:19 <pravins> tagoh_: so one week before Beta Freeze? 06:59:53 <pravins> i am more concerned for Glibc Subpackaging change. Somehow should ask more people to test it in Alpha itself 07:00:12 <juhp> we could do a separate testday if needed? 07:00:22 <pravins> good point 07:00:29 <pravins> We must do it. 07:00:38 <tagoh_> sounds good to me 07:00:58 <juhp> maybe including the langpacks too 07:01:00 <pravins> #idea Separate testday for Glibc locale subpackaging 07:01:10 <pravins> juhp++ 07:01:17 <juhp> but glibc is critical i guess 07:01:40 <mfabian> juhp: Yes, it is a bit scary. 07:01:51 <juhp> wonder if latest rawhide anaconda supports langpacks already? 07:02:16 <pravins> Alpha freeze is on 2016-03-08 07:02:17 <jibecfed> are the contributors the same ones to test of glibc and langpacks ? 07:02:18 <juhp> but I think we need to land the glibc change first 07:03:13 <juhp> so maybe focusing primarily on glibc sense - other langpacks can probably be fixed later anyway 07:03:22 <juhp> *makes sense 07:03:46 <pravins> jibecfed: nope, it should be open for all. 07:03:47 <juhp> just thought we could combine the two 07:04:22 <jibecfed> juhp: +1 07:04:23 <paragan> jibecfed, any Fedora user who like to use Fedora in non-English language can be a candidate to test glibc and langpacks 07:05:00 <jibecfed> you're the expert, but I think one global test day is better 07:05:24 <jibecfed> for communication/coordination 07:05:46 <juhp> we could call it the glibc locale test day or something 07:06:03 <pravins> yeah, we will definitely have global i18n test day, it used to be after Alpha. 07:06:21 <pravins> yes, will call it Glibc locale test day. 07:06:44 <pravins> mfabian: do mentioned to carlos, we are planning for test day, once we are committing change to Fedora. 07:07:00 * anish_ leaves, will join afterwards 07:07:18 <pravins> #info Planning for test day specifically to test Glibc Locale sub packaging change. 07:07:32 <mfabian> pravins: OK! 07:07:35 <pravins> agina coming back to global i18n test day :) 07:07:45 <pravins> Which date should we select. 07:07:52 <juhp> yeah we could do the rest of the langpack testing there 07:08:08 <pravins> Somehow i think will be nice if FLTG do more participation in i18n test day planning as well :) 07:08:28 <juhp> more testing would certainly be welcome 07:08:36 <pravins> indeed 07:09:06 <pravins> in FAD we decided i18n test day date, 1 week before Beta Freeze 07:09:14 <juhp> is one week before Beta good? 07:09:52 <pravins> 2016-04-19 is Beta Freeze 07:10:35 <pravins> 19 is Tuesday 07:10:49 <pravins> juhp: yeah, i think 1 week before Beta Freeze is good. 07:11:03 <jibecfed> saturday are better for group work ;) 07:11:21 <pravins> :) 07:11:45 <juhp> we could try 07:11:48 <pravins> Normally we keep testing open for whole week. 07:11:52 <juhp> right 07:12:07 <pravins> Lets move this topic to mailing list. with this discussion 07:12:19 <pravins> already more than regular time :( 07:12:33 <pravins> #info moving i18n test day planning discussion to mailing list. 07:12:42 <pravins> next topic 07:12:43 <pravins> #info #61: FTBFS bugs for Rawhide (pravins) 07:12:43 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/61 07:13:25 <pravins> All bug list available here https://goo.gl/5jephk 07:14:01 <pravins> Only 7 bugs are there from i18n side. 07:14:08 <pravins> .bug 1307493 07:14:09 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1307493 fbterm: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1307493 07:14:14 <pravins> .bug 1307714 07:14:15 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1307714 libUnihan: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1307714 07:14:20 <pravins> .bug 1308109 07:14:22 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308109 sazanami-fonts: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308109 07:14:26 <pravins> .bug 1308114 07:14:27 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308114 scholarsfonts-cardo-fonts: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308114 07:14:31 <pravins> .bug 1308190 07:14:33 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308190 tomoe-gtk: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308190 07:14:37 <pravins> .bug 1308194 07:14:38 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308194 translate-toolkit: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308194 07:14:44 <pravins> .bug 1308197 07:14:45 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308197 ttmkfdir: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308197 07:14:54 <pravins> Lets track this again in next meeting. 07:15:03 <pravins> one bug pending on me too ;) 07:15:16 <pravins> Here we are moving to last topic 07:15:17 <pravins> #topic Open Floor 07:15:43 <pravins> If we missed any important topic/news please mention it. 07:17:00 <pravins> in between Videos of my talks @ DevConf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEHa0nDjJvg 07:17:13 <pravins> closing in couple of minutes 07:18:33 <jibecfed> fiy, mail about fedora sites was sent one min ago on trans@list 07:19:04 <pravins> thanks jibecfed :) 07:19:16 <pravins> Thanks all for meeting. 07:19:20 <pravins> #endmeeting