06:00:09 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n
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06:00:20 <suanand> Hi..
06:00:22 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:22 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-01-20
06:00:24 <ueno> hi
06:00:27 <noriko> here
06:00:28 <paragan> hi
06:00:28 <mfabian> Hi!
06:00:31 <tagoh_> hi
06:00:34 <epico> hi
06:01:04 <pravins> glad to see all on time :)
06:01:05 <aeng> hi
06:01:23 <pravins> hi aeng suanand ueno noriko paragan tagoh_ epico :)
06:01:36 <pravins> #chair aeng suanand ueno noriko paragan tagoh_ epico
06:01:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng epico noriko paragan pravins suanand tagoh_ ueno
06:01:46 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:01:51 <pravins> #info 2016-01-26 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
06:01:51 <pravins> #info not scheduled yet 	Side Tag Builds Deadline
06:01:51 <pravins> #info not required 	Mass Rebuild
06:01:52 <pravins> #info 2016-01-26 	Mass Rebuild
06:01:52 <pravins> #info 2016-02-16 	Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25)
06:01:52 <pravins> #info 2016-03-01 	Alpha Freeze (*)
06:01:54 <pravins> #info 2016-03-01 	Software String Freeze
06:01:56 <pravins> #info 2016-03-01 	Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
06:01:58 <pravins> #info 2016-03-01 	Bodhi activation point
06:02:00 <pravins> #info 2016-03-15 	Alpha Release
06:02:17 <juhp> hi
06:02:24 <pravins> schedule sleep by couple of week.
06:02:29 <pravins> hi juhp :)
06:02:31 <pravins> #chair juhp
06:02:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng epico juhp noriko paragan pravins suanand tagoh_ ueno
06:02:42 <fujiwarat> hi
06:02:48 <pravins> so now, change proposal deadline is 26th Jan.
06:03:15 <pravins> in between we are covering i18n, l10n and zanata topics as well. So G11N meeting.
06:03:22 <pravins> We might need extra time as well.
06:03:45 <pravins> hi fujiwarat :)
06:03:48 <pravins> #chair fujiwarat
06:03:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng epico fujiwarat juhp noriko paragan pravins suanand tagoh_ ueno
06:03:59 <pravins> #topic Outstanding task
06:03:59 <pravins> #info #1: G11N infrastructure requirements
06:03:59 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/1
06:04:32 <pravins> Thansk aeng for editing G11N Wiki.
06:04:37 <aeng> :)
06:04:43 <aeng> need more info
06:04:49 <aeng> feel free to put more in
06:04:52 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N
06:05:09 <pravins> I just added definition for G11N from LISA white paper
06:05:21 <pravins> noriko: i saw you have upload presentation slide somewhere.
06:05:26 <pravins> Can you link it to G11N Wiki?
06:05:38 <noriko> ah, yes, sure!
06:05:40 * pravins was looking for noriko email on trans list.
06:05:54 <pravins> noriko: basically at Presentation (Visual Summary)
06:06:02 <aeng> ah.. i might have removed it by mistaken
06:06:06 <aeng> Presentation (Visual Summary)
06:06:08 <pravins> I think good to upload presentation on slideshare and provide link there.
06:06:11 <aeng> make it a link
06:06:25 <pravins> so one no need to download slide and can simply go through on web itself.
06:06:40 <pravins> http://www.slideshare.net/
06:06:59 <noriko> ypyp, that was the plan
06:07:11 <noriko> but i can't lack of skill ;p
06:07:25 <pravins> noriko: no problem, i will help you :)
06:07:43 <noriko> :-)
06:07:46 <pravins> #action pravins noriko to upload G11N slidedesk to slideshare and link on Wiki.
06:08:13 <pravins> i still not remember what we mean by G11N Forum. Discussed this in FAD>
06:08:31 <pravins> does anyone remembers?
06:08:32 <aeng> can't recall
06:09:11 <apeter> me too :(
06:09:35 <pravins> apeter: may be, we can remove it. Will once ping Michelle :)
06:09:42 <pravins> in between hi apeter  :)
06:09:45 <pravins> #chair apeter
06:09:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng apeter epico fujiwarat juhp noriko paragan pravins suanand tagoh_ ueno
06:09:46 <aeng> she on pto
06:10:06 <pravins> #action ping Michelle for G11N Forum point in Wiki.
06:10:14 <pravins> How about Offline meetings?
06:10:19 <apeter> hi.. am sorry I missed many meetings inbetween
06:10:49 <apeter> yup lets check with Michelle once and then..
06:11:24 <pravins> apeter: no problem, new year time.
06:11:42 <apeter> he he
06:12:14 <juhp> I'd say just remove them until we have some content - or move to a ToDo page...
06:12:26 <juhp> it doesn't look good
06:12:33 <pravins> agree. Will remove it.
06:13:23 <apeter> +1
06:13:54 <aeng> +1
06:13:55 <pravins> one more thing pending from L10N perspective is. Cleanup L10N Wiki page.
06:14:01 <aeng> yup
06:14:14 <pravins> how should we execute this?
06:14:18 <apeter> yup thats still pending
06:14:36 <aeng> need at least the structure defined
06:14:44 <aeng> its too much information
06:14:48 <aeng> need to organise it
06:15:03 <noriko> agree
06:15:04 <pravins> good point, organization required.
06:15:23 <pravins> from i18n wiki cleanup experience. We create ticket and added all pages link required cleanup.
06:15:27 <noriko> well not too much, but plenty of information :-)
06:15:48 <pravins> Then decided particular day and requested all interested people to select few pages and asked them to update ticket once they do cleanup.
06:15:55 <pravins> Would you like to execute it this way?
06:16:18 <aeng> yeah
06:16:22 <aeng> lets have it that way
06:17:02 <noriko> pravins, there might a chance to do it at a meetup at devconf if any
06:17:02 <pravins> who would like to lead this activity? I am sure most of us can help here.
06:17:58 <pravins> yeah, we can add that is task list for Dev Conf but we are only few present at Dev Conf
06:18:15 <pravins> at least we should provide information how many pages required cleanup, so other members can participate in it.
06:18:23 <pravins> Remaining task we will complete in DevConf :)
06:18:50 <pravins> #idea We can do some L10N pages cleanup at DevConf 2016
06:19:13 <aeng> i can help out with cleanup
06:19:23 <aeng> but not lead, pretty busy at the moment
06:20:07 <pravins> aeng: no problem.
06:20:21 <pravins> noriko: at least can we get ticket and list of pages at L10N wiki need cleanup?
06:20:57 <pravins> apeter: ^^ :)
06:20:59 <noriko> list of pages??
06:21:16 <aeng> hahahahaha
06:21:21 <aeng> noriko shocked
06:21:52 <pravins> :) i mean pages linked to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N
06:22:05 * noriko almost faint
06:22:09 <pravins> like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_QA_Test_Day
06:22:12 <aeng> lol
06:22:38 <pravins> - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_QA_Test_Day
06:22:39 <pravins> etc
06:22:46 <noriko> pravins, can we first list the workflow?
06:23:01 <pravins> sure.
06:23:08 <pravins> 1. Create ticket.
06:23:24 <pravins> 2. Provide information on how many Wiki pages required cleanup
06:23:35 <noriko> how?
06:23:47 <noriko> let's break it down.
06:24:19 <noriko> zoltanh7211, ?
06:25:03 <zoltanh7211> morning guys - just arrived from the nightly workshift sorry for late
06:25:23 <pravins> zoltanh7211: hi, you are just in time :)
06:25:25 <zoltanh7211> noriko, yes - I am here
06:25:27 <noriko> zoltanh7211, thank you for taking time to join the meeting!
06:25:31 <pravins> #chair zoltanh7211
06:25:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng apeter epico fujiwarat juhp noriko paragan pravins suanand tagoh_ ueno zoltanh7211
06:25:52 <pravins> We were talking about L10N wiki pages cleanup, let me put up log to you in PM
06:26:01 <zoltanh7211> ty
06:26:05 <juhp> zoltanh7211, hi :)
06:27:49 <pravins> juhp: i remember you gave some idea for searching pages for i18n.
06:28:03 <pravins> i.e. search pages with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/*
06:28:08 <juhp> ah
06:28:13 <pravins> dunno, if i remember correctly.
06:28:43 <aeng> ideally, we should try to standardize sturcture between g11n, i18n, and l10n page
06:28:49 <aeng> at least as close as possible
06:29:18 <aeng> so whichever works now, we can use it as base template and build from there
06:29:26 <pravins> good point
06:29:56 <pravins> juhp: i think https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35#comment:6
06:30:06 <noriko> +1
06:31:03 <juhp> yeah, https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=L10N&fulltext=Search
06:32:23 <pravins> aeng: i think standardizing structure will take time.
06:32:31 <pravins> Lets first go with cleanup stuff.
06:32:58 <aeng> yup
06:33:06 <pravins> search provide so many pages list.
06:33:11 <juhp> nod
06:33:48 <pravins> I think, lets stop this topic here, i will follow up with noriko and zoltanh7211 later. Will update all later.
06:33:51 <noriko> pls notice that L10N page and prob links have been localized in several langauges. so cleanup can impact those pages.
06:34:13 <juhp> hmm
06:34:52 <pravins> true, we need to inform all language teams to cleanup those pages.
06:35:12 <aeng> this complicates things
06:35:57 <zoltanh7211> pravins: I think we should put this cleanup to teams hands, and with that we can receive feedback that witch is alive and active
06:36:42 <juhp> yes sounds good
06:37:04 <zoltanh7211> pravins: moreover we can overwatch this - and ping them twice, if no one responding - we put it inactive, then delete state
06:37:06 <aeng> +1, cleanup the english page, and notify each lang team
06:37:10 <juhp> at least they need a headsup
06:37:22 <zoltanh7211> juhp: yes correct
06:37:32 <noriko> actually ja team has already updated with g11n ML and new ML system :-)
06:37:38 <pravins> Nice idea. This information will help to get active team number
06:37:59 <juhp> noriko, you renamed the ja ml?
06:38:19 <noriko> no, our ML system changed.
06:38:21 <juhp> ah nm
06:38:25 <juhp> sorry gotcha
06:38:27 <pravins> #idea Put wiki clean-up activities to respective language teams hand.
06:38:39 <juhp> +1
06:38:46 <noriko> to Hyperkitty
06:38:58 <juhp> aha
06:39:01 <noriko> so original English ML should also be updated.
06:39:20 <noriko> any change in English, I can notify ja team and follow.
06:39:25 <juhp> noriko, please :)
06:40:13 <pravins> zoltanh7211  noriko Lets work on this later and draft complete plan. We have bit more clarity on this now. We have few more topic to cover.
06:40:33 <zoltanh7211> pravins: go ahead
06:40:39 <pravins> #info #5: Fedora L10N sprint
06:40:40 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/5
06:40:47 <pravins> Here our presently main objective is to plan online transaltion sprint according to Fedora 24 schedule. It will help to get more translation for Fedora 24.
06:40:49 <noriko> oki
06:41:58 <pravins> dunno what should be idea days/weeks for this as per schedule?
06:42:18 <aeng> is this across different language team?
06:42:48 <aeng> and are we delegating the lead/organiser to the language coordinator?
06:43:20 <pravins> ideally we should delegate.
06:43:50 <pravins> but noriko, zoltanh7211 and apeter are right members for this. :)
06:44:07 <aeng> its nice to have them there
06:44:17 <pravins> As per schedule: 2016-03-01 Software String Freeze
06:44:22 <noriko> one idea is to go out and meet them face to face, and stimulate them.
06:44:31 <pravins> 2016-03-29 	Software Translation Deadline
06:44:48 <noriko> pinging irc or posting not enough
06:45:28 <noriko> I know some have good bunch of question about zanata too.
06:45:58 <aeng> hah
06:46:11 <aeng> I can be there if needed
06:46:31 <aeng> depending on the time/date/location
06:46:39 <aeng> or just online
06:47:16 <pravins> From date perspective i think, Sprint should be in between String Freeze and Translation Deadline.
06:47:29 <pravins> We should try to make all language teams active during this time.
06:48:30 <pravins> aeng: great, you will be required :)
06:48:31 <aeng> but time?
06:48:47 <noriko> some incentive can work
06:49:26 <pravins> aeng: umm good question. I think even if you remain active for some time that is fine.
06:49:38 <aeng> alright
06:49:40 <pravins> Sprint should be whole day, since members from different TZ.
06:49:46 <aeng> yeah...
06:49:50 <pravins> noriko: we can definitely plan some badges
06:50:08 <pravins> #idea L10N sprint between String Freeze and Translation deadline.
06:50:18 <noriko> cool, we should keep telling and advertising we will have badges :-)
06:50:41 <pravins> #idea Arrange badges for members contributing during L10N sprint
06:51:31 <pravins> We have ticket open for this, lets communicate more on ticket
06:51:34 <pravins> #info #57: Fedora 24 change planning (pravins)
06:51:34 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57
06:51:50 <pravins> here comes some i18n topics :)
06:52:45 <pravins> mfabian: anything from Glibc subpackaging?
06:53:02 <mfabian> I pushed it to a private branch.
06:53:19 <pravins> wow, nice !!
06:53:24 <mfabian> Branch name: “private-mfabian-locale-subpackaging-folders”
06:53:36 <mfabian> (In our Fedora git repo for glibc)
06:53:37 <pravins> fujiwarat:  i saw https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ibus-fbterm_enhancement_for_ibus_1.5 is still in ChangePageIncomplete
06:53:59 <mfabian> Test packages are here: https://mfabian.fedorapeople.org/glibc/
06:54:18 <mfabian> This uses the folder approach now, *no* locale-archive anymore.
06:54:35 <fujiwarat> pravins: Not sure. non-system wide change might be slow.
06:54:51 <mfabian> Carlos agreed last Friday to stop using locale-archive and use folders instead.
06:55:01 <mfabian> This made the sub-packaging much easier.
06:55:11 <fujiwarat> Ah changepageincomplete.
06:55:13 <mfabian> The patch in the above branch is very simple.
06:55:21 <fujiwarat> pravins: thx!
06:55:26 <pravins> fujiwarat: welcome :)
06:55:45 <pravins> mfabian: i think good to add test build info on Change proposal. Will help people to test.
06:56:22 <mfabian> pravins: OK, I’ll do that. I would like to hear comments from testers.
06:57:11 <pravins> may be we should announce it somewhere, may be on devel?
06:58:13 <pravins> moving to next topic
06:58:21 <pravins> #info #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release (pravins)
06:58:21 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58
06:59:08 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements
06:59:16 <pravins> Still not much information from i18n side.
06:59:28 <pravins> Zanata and L10N looks very nice plan for F24
06:59:40 <pravins> aeng: i have one query on https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-855
07:00:05 <pravins> Is there any chance to get this fix in F24 life cycle?
07:00:08 <aeng> yup, we are currently working on an open id issue in zanata
07:00:14 <aeng> but not this
07:01:32 <aeng> i will follow up with you (pravins) on this bug
07:01:51 <pravins> sure. I was just wondering whether we should add this to f24 enhancement plan.
07:02:02 <pravins> lets decide later :)
07:02:16 <noriko> pravins, ani, I have a question about QA test.
07:02:33 <noriko> for F24
07:02:42 <pravins> noriko: you mean test day?
07:02:42 <aeng> guys i gtg now, anything please email me
07:02:51 <pravins> aeng: no problem. Thanks :)
07:03:10 <pravins> noriko: lets take it in open floor.
07:03:20 <noriko> ypyp, is any bugs filed against previous releases which can be fixed in F24?
07:03:32 <noriko> okay!
07:03:48 <pravins> noriko: i think, there was few bugs planned in last QA event. We must check those
07:04:21 <pravins> We have lots of bugs open for i18n. I think good to add few planned one for F24 in Enhancement page.
07:04:41 <pravins> I think, we should go through list once. Not much time now.
07:04:48 <pravins> moving to next topic
07:04:50 <pravins> #info #59: tracking of translation string changes (petersen)
07:04:50 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/59
07:05:06 <pravins> juhp: thanks for creating ticket for this :)
07:05:23 <juhp> sure
07:05:53 <pravins> dunno, what is idea time for getting this script.
07:06:02 <pravins> After Translation freeze?
07:06:18 <juhp> ah to have it ready by?
07:06:28 <juhp> yeah I guess
07:06:47 <pravins> Translation freeze in Mar. So we have sometime :)
07:06:57 <pravins> but i know as we already have other tasks in hand.
07:07:06 <juhp> right
07:07:36 <pravins> moving to next topic
07:07:38 <pravins> #info #17: Live media with langpacks included
07:07:38 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/17
07:08:12 <paragan> no updates here as we are waiting for dnf developer to provide guide on implementing weak dependencies
07:08:22 <pravins> paragan: sure.
07:08:42 <pravins> If we think this is achievable in F24 life cycle lets add to Enhancement plan page :)
07:09:07 <pravins> last topic of the day
07:09:09 <pravins> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (anishpatil)
07:09:09 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
07:09:15 <pravins> anish_: there?
07:10:08 <pravins> umm, no update on ticket as well.
07:10:45 <pravins> #action anish_ to update ticket #36 with latest information.
07:11:08 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
07:11:25 <pravins> noriko: here comes your topic about QA. :)
07:11:44 <pravins> I think we should start planning for QA event just after Change proposal submission deadline
07:11:47 <noriko> is any bugs filed against previous releases which can be fixed in F24?
07:12:18 <pravins> noriko: we can get this information by Test event page report
07:13:20 <pravins> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/globalization-test-days-report-fedora-23/
07:13:23 <pravins> has good information
07:14:06 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-08-18_L10N?rd=/Test_Day:2015-08-18_L10N
07:14:12 <pravins> has few bugs listed
07:14:48 <noriko> pravins, I like fltg to file a bug and post in the link of the list?
07:15:01 <pravins> looks good.
07:15:02 <noriko> so that each language team can focus on them?
07:16:20 <pravins> noriko: sure, lets discuss this during Test days planning ticket
07:16:32 <pravins> if no more topic lets close meeting in couple of minutes..
07:17:56 <noriko> thanks praiskup
07:18:01 <noriko> doh
07:18:05 <noriko> I mean pravins
07:18:17 <pravins> closing meeting
07:18:22 <pravins> Thanks everyone for nice meeting :)O
07:18:23 <pravins> :)
07:18:27 <pravins> #endmeeting