06:02:58 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n 06:02:58 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 9 06:02:58 2015 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:02:58 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:02:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n' 06:03:04 <mfabian> Hi! 06:03:05 <pravins> #meetingname g11n 06:03:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n' 06:03:06 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call 06:03:06 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-12-09 06:03:08 <suanand> Hi 06:03:09 <fujiwarat> hi 06:03:15 <pravins> hi mfabian suanand fujiwarat :) 06:03:24 <pravins> #chair mfabian suanand fujiwarat 06:03:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwarat mfabian pravins suanand 06:03:42 <pravins> Hoping we will have quick meeting today :) 06:04:06 <pravins> Lets start meeting while other joins 06:04:17 <pravins> As you might have already seen. 06:04:19 <pravins> FESCo, Council, FAmSCo elections - Voting period is now open 06:04:22 <juhp> hi 06:04:30 <epico> hi 06:04:45 <pravins> hi juhp epico :) 06:04:50 <pravins> #chair juhp epico 06:04:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian pravins suanand 06:04:58 <pravins> #link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/open 06:05:32 <pravins> if you have not yet, please vote for this. 06:06:04 <pravins> In between paragan is again nominated for FeSco elections :) 06:06:33 <paragan> hi 06:06:39 <pravins> hi paragan :) 06:06:41 <pravins> #chair paragan 06:06:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand 06:06:52 <pravins> All the best for election. !! 06:07:12 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule 06:07:26 <pravins> #info 2016-01-12 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) 06:07:26 <pravins> #info not scheduled yet Side Tag Builds Deadline 06:07:26 <pravins> #info not required Mass Rebuild 06:07:26 <pravins> #info 2016-02-02 Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25) 06:07:26 <pravins> #info 2016-02-16 Alpha Freeze (*) 06:07:27 <pravins> #info 2016-02-16 Software String Freeze 06:07:29 <pravins> #info 2016-02-16 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) 06:07:31 <pravins> #info 2016-02-16 Bodhi activation point 06:07:45 <pravins> No changes. 06:08:24 <pravins> We are going to lose momentum during christmas and New year celebration, so good if we complete planning stuff in coming 1 week. 06:09:56 <pravins> moving to next topic 06:10:03 <pravins> #topic Outstanding task 06:10:03 <pravins> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (anishpatil) 06:10:03 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36 06:10:54 <pravins> action item from last meeting 06:11:00 <pravins> anish_ to update bug report to disable xkb layouts for Indian language in gnome. 06:11:34 <pravins> #link https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756939 06:11:37 <pravins> no progress yet. 06:11:43 <pravins> continuing action item 06:11:59 <pravins> #action anish_ to update bug report to disable xkb layouts for Indian language in gnome. 06:12:09 <pravins> #topic New topics 06:12:16 <pravins> #info #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins) 06:12:16 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43 06:12:28 <pravins> Expense claims: 06:12:41 <pravins> I saw last week almost all expenses are filed now. 06:13:05 <pravins> once you get your reimbursement credit to account, please close respective ticket. 06:14:33 <pravins> pravins to ask all FAD attendees for summaries and reports. 06:14:34 <pravins> pravins to work on Collaborating summary post on G11N Fedora activities day. 06:14:40 <pravins> above are action items from last meeting. 06:15:34 <pravins> I have requested everyone for summaries. Few are busy with other stuff and said if they get chance they will post it. 06:15:54 <pravins> Collaborative summary post is remaining. 06:16:27 <pravins> #action pravins to work this week for G11N FAD summary post on community blog. 06:16:37 <pravins> I will ask review from all of you. 06:16:58 <pravins> i hope, no queries on FAD now :) 06:18:13 <pravins> #info #57: Fedora 24 change planning (pravins) 06:18:13 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57 06:18:22 <pravins> lets go through action items from last week. 06:18:49 <pravins> fujiwarat to set deadline for "Merge IBus fbterm into ibus core" 06:19:00 <pravins> paragan to create ticket for Automation of langpack LiveCD for better tracking status. 06:20:23 <pravins> juhp tagoh_ you might have noticed, i have sent email on devel and g11n list regarding String breakage monitoring script. :) 06:20:35 <juhp> pravins, oh good 06:21:02 <juhp> I think mfabian is going to update the glibc subpackaging Change to F24 06:21:26 <pravins> mfabian: is it done? 06:21:39 <mfabian> Yes. 06:21:55 <pravins> nice. 06:22:10 <pravins> #info mfabian has move glibc_subpackaging change proposal to Fedora 24. 06:22:20 <pravins> #undo mfabian has move glibc_subpackaging change proposal to Fedora 24. 06:22:20 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by pravins at 06:22:10 : mfabian has move glibc_subpackaging change proposal to Fedora 24. 06:22:27 <pravins> #info mfabian has moved glibc_subpackaging change proposal to Fedora 24. 06:23:47 <pravins> epico: Pinyin/zhuyin is this going to be change for Fedora 24? 06:24:02 <epico> not 06:24:13 <epico> already default, fixing bugs now. 06:24:39 <pravins> aha, nice. :) 06:24:53 <pravins> i am just going to through ideas for Fedora 24. 06:25:25 <pravins> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZaDELi4js/edit# 06:26:29 <fujiwarat> I had a good implementation of ibus-fbterm. Now the target is f24. 06:26:51 <pravins> Is this going to be a change proposal? 06:27:12 <pravins> sorry, Unfortunately i am still not clear is this going to be merged with IBus or fork :( 06:27:28 <fujiwarat> No, not yet. 06:28:12 <pravins> sure. 06:28:32 <fujiwarat> Probably I will own ibus-fbterm or new ibus-fbterm-noprotocol 06:29:10 <fujiwarat> It will not be in ibus core. 06:29:21 <pravins> nice. that looks good now. :) 06:29:27 <juhp> fujiwarat, okay :) ibus-fbterm-noprotocol sounds a bit long 06:29:53 <fujiwarat> I will think 'ibus' command will be updated or bin/ibus-fbterm handles everything. 06:30:20 <fujiwarat> juhp: agreed. 06:30:34 <pravins> rather than noprotocol, just NP 06:31:10 <fujiwarat> I will rename bin/ibus-fbterm and bin/ibus-fbterm-launch to libexec/ibus-fbterm-backend and bin/ibus-fbterm. 06:33:20 <pravins> sure. 06:33:44 <pravins> #info fujiwarat to rename bin/ibus-fbterm and bin/ibus-fbterm-launch to libexec/ibus-fbterm-backend and bin/ibus-fbterm. 06:33:53 <pravins> other ideas we discussed in FAD were 06:34:00 <pravins> PoC of NextGen G11n workflow (Jens/Zanata?) 06:34:05 <pravins> #idea PoC of NextGen G11n workflow (Jens/Zanata?) 06:34:14 <pravins> #idea Automatic testing (Akira) 06:34:21 <pravins> #idea Description support of the configuration in fontconfig (Akira) 06:34:35 <pravins> tagoh_: juhp any thing on these points? 06:34:56 <pravins> I think you both were away in last I18n meeting :) 06:35:38 <juhp> we have ticket for the string change monitoring, I forget? 06:36:15 <pravins> no, not yet. 06:37:17 <juhp> right now still no clear idea about the PoC 06:37:31 <juhp> need to discuss with zanata people I guess 06:37:50 <pravins> sure. May be i should move it to halt stage. 06:38:01 <pravins> From change perspective. 06:38:10 <pravins> i think only one that is subpackaging. 06:38:56 <pravins> did i missed any change for F24? 06:39:11 <pravins> change planned for F24 :) 06:40:14 <pravins> i think not. 06:40:24 <pravins> Here we move to imp. topic. 06:40:32 <pravins> #info #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release (pravins) 06:40:32 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58 06:40:42 <pravins> As we just saw, we dont have much change proposal. 06:40:50 <pravins> But we are going to fix/improve number of this. 06:40:54 <pravins> How to track it?? 06:41:02 <pravins> for this, i have created Wiki page. 06:41:27 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements 06:41:52 <pravins> I have sent email on g11n list, will be nice if get more replies there :) 06:42:00 <juhp> good 06:42:12 <juhp> we could also use a tracking bug 06:42:32 <pravins> aha, you means F24_i18n tracking bug? 06:42:39 <juhp> yes 06:42:54 <juhp> is there one already? 06:43:00 <pravins> No. 06:43:20 <juhp> okay might make it easier - since then you don't need to keep updating the wiki 06:43:31 <juhp> I think it is a good idea 06:43:48 <pravins> no, there is one more motivation behind this. 06:43:53 <pravins> For new contributors 06:44:01 <juhp> okay 06:44:06 <juhp> or both? :) 06:44:10 <pravins> New contributors will get information regarding issues planned for particular Fedora release. 06:44:21 <pravins> I think this is in some line with Workstation TODO list. 06:44:31 <juhp> +1 06:44:49 <juhp> tracker still helpful though too i think 06:44:57 <pravins> As we see from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-12-09 bug stat 06:45:18 <pravins> 58 bugs open for Fedora 22. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?v4=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o5=substring&f1=OP&o3=substring&v3=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o2=substring&f4=reporter&v5=i18n&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cc&f2=assigned_to&o4=substring&bug_status=__open__&version=22&f5=keywords&f6=CP&v2=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&product=Fedora 06:45:31 <pravins> 56 Bugs open for Fedora 23 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?v4=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o5=substring&f1=OP&o3=substring&v3=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o2=substring&f4=reporter&v5=i18n&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cc&f2=assigned_to&o4=substring&bug_status=__open__&version=23&f5=keywords&f6=CP&v2=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&product=Fedora 06:45:44 <pravins> and 59 bugs open for Rawhide https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?v4=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o5=substring&f1=OP&o3=substring&list_id=578982&v3=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o2=substring&f4=reporter&v5=i18n&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cc&f2=assigned_to&o4=substring&bug_status=__open__&version=rawhide&f5=keywords&f6=CP&v2=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&product=Fedora 06:46:14 * juhp may see if he can shorten those urls :) 06:46:55 <pravins> True, may be i should do url shortening before meeting :) 06:47:25 <pravins> Actually, i requested on email everyone to add some task like bug fixes or any process improvement they are planning to do in this page. 06:47:32 <pravins> Process improvement like 06:47:42 <pravins> Just fujiwarat mentioned regarding IBus-FBterm 06:47:55 <pravins> mfabian: going to fix ibus-typing-booster AltGr support. 06:48:47 <pravins> few important bug fixes for Pinyin/zhuyin 06:49:03 <pravins> String breakage monitoring 06:49:12 <pravins> LangCD creation. 06:49:30 <mfabian> pravins: made good progress for AltGr support, I can now use libm17n directly, not via libtranslit. 06:49:35 <juhp> pravins, at least reporter email could be removed :) 06:50:02 <juhp> mfabian, nice 06:50:07 <pravins> mfabian++ 06:50:07 <zodbot> pravins: Karma for mfabian changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 06:50:32 <pravins> juhp: not understood :( 06:50:50 <juhp> pravins, f4=reporter 06:51:05 <juhp> anyway, later 06:51:09 <pravins> sure. 06:51:24 <pravins> Other plan is shortlist some bugs from above list and add to page. 06:51:33 <pravins> Need help from all of you for it. 06:51:47 <pravins> This page, is definitely going to help in long term. 06:51:56 <juhp> +1 06:52:05 <pravins> I hope, we will get more contributors and takeover some tasks from list. 06:52:16 <juhp> sounds good 06:52:23 <pravins> There are already at least one interest from L10N :) 06:52:47 <pravins> thanks :) 06:52:56 <pravins> let me add action item 06:53:24 <pravins> #action Every i18n members to find some bugs from dashboard and add if for Fedora 24 planning page. 06:53:44 <pravins> Moving to next topic. 06:53:45 <pravins> #topic New task 06:53:46 <pravins> #info #56: Fedora 21 EOL Bugs triaging (pravins) 06:53:46 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/56 06:53:59 <pravins> Thanks everyone for triaging bugs for F21 :) 06:55:02 <pravins> I still saw around 8bugs got closed without any triaging. Dunno if those bugs still make sense. 06:55:07 <pravins> Few were abrt. 06:55:53 <pravins> .bug 1158370 06:55:55 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1158370 list major common keyboard layouts first - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1158370 06:56:13 <pravins> .bug 1177999 06:56:14 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1177999 [abrt] ibus-chewing: g_settings_set_property(): ibus-engine-chewing killed by SIGTRAP - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1177999 06:56:19 <pravins> .bug 1180802 06:56:23 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1180802 [abrt] gcin: strcmp(): gcin killed by SIGSEGV - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1180802 06:56:25 <pravins> .bug 1199772 06:56:26 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1199772 [abrt] ibus-libpinyin: pinyin_mask_out(): ibus-engine-libpinyin killed by SIGSEGV - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1199772 06:56:30 <pravins> .bug 1202647 06:56:31 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1202647 [abrt] ibus-libpinyin: pinyin::ChewingLengthIndexLevel::load(): ibus-engine-libpinyin killed by SIGABRT - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1202647 06:56:35 <pravins> .bug 1240807 06:56:37 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1240807 Non-latin glyphs generated by ligatures fi ff fl - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1240807 06:56:42 <pravins> .bug 1036220 06:56:43 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1036220 Font hinting and aliasing not properly configured on fresh Fedora 19/20/21 install. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1036220 06:56:49 <pravins> .bug 1215705 06:56:50 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1215705 Keyboard layout changes to english either randomly or after waking up from sleep - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1215705 06:56:56 <pravins> .bug 1133188 06:56:58 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1133188 Select English as the default language for India geolocation - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1133188 06:57:01 <pravins> .bug 1189423 06:57:02 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1189423 Keyboard Layout not persistent through login - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1189423 06:57:31 <pravins> may be i should drop email on i18n list. Dunno may be someone still caring for it :) 06:57:56 <pravins> but still already 4-5 notification via bugzilla, so we can ignore may be.... 06:58:10 <juhp> I already reopened bug 1158370 06:58:58 <pravins> yeah, i took this list before that event. 06:59:17 <pravins> may be we should close ticket, given these bugs number there. 07:00:03 <pravins> #action pravins to close F21 EOL triage ticket with list of bugs closed without any triaging. 07:00:19 <pravins> We done with all our topics :) 07:00:21 <pravins> moving to last one 07:00:22 <pravins> #topic Open Floor 07:00:31 <pravins> Anything we missed or need improvement. 07:00:50 <pravins> I still see our mailing list very silent. Dunno how can we make it more active :( 07:01:49 <juhp> pravins, sure good idea with mail but then please only list the bugs that are still closed :) 07:02:19 <pravins> yes, those are very less around 6-8. I will do final check again :) 07:02:31 <juhp> cool 07:03:08 <pravins> if nothing else, lets close meeting in couple of minutes. 07:04:35 <juhp> ueno, fujiwarat: any idea about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1215705 ? 07:05:14 <juhp> sometimes ibus seems to die for me in firefox for example recently 07:05:29 <juhp> wondering it is similar phenomenon 07:05:32 <juhp> if 07:06:20 <pravins> reported has provided steps-to-reproduce 07:06:31 <pravins> s/reporter. 07:06:41 <fujiwarat> which desktop? 07:07:30 <pravins> that information missing from bugzilla as well :) 07:07:51 <pravins> there is mention regarding gnome-tweak-tool, so looks like Gnome 07:09:08 <pravins> We are already late for meeting. May be lets take this on mailing list. 07:09:13 <pravins> i18n list is fine :) 07:09:35 <pravins> or lets continue discussion on #fedora-g11n 07:09:45 <pravins> thanks everyone for meeting !! 07:09:45 <pravins> #endmeeting